theres some thick people on here so full of shit
she used that name and will al ways use it even though it isnt hers
shes no talent for sure
now even the boyfriend has had enough of her and ****************ed off
i cant blame him
elvis didnt want to marry her in the first place but was forced to
it was biggest mistake he ever made
If the marriage was the biggest mistake of his life maybe its the price he deserved to pay for getting involved with a 14 year old girl which is illegal in most places.You guys still think a 14 year old is to blame.Most adult men would have backed off fearing jail time or just out of self control.Why does Elvis escape blame for having affairs with minors back in Germany?I love Elvis but why is he always blameless in so many fan's eyes.
Jak
[QUOTE=graceland123;78741]theres some thick people on here so full of shit
she used that name and will al ways use it even though it isnt hers
shes no talent for sure
now even the boyfriend has had enough of her and ****************ed off
i cant blame him
elvis didnt want to marry her in the first place but was forced to
it was biggest mistake he ever made[/QU
elvis had his own mind and i am sure he would not marry someone just because they told him to. if thats the case he would have listend to people who tried to help in the last years of his life when he was destroying himself with percription drugs. he was his own person and he loved priscilla i have no doubt about that.
elvislady
[QUOTE=graceland123;78741]theres some thick people on here so full of shit
she used that name and will al ways use it even though it isnt hers
shes no talent for sure
now even the boyfriend has had enough of her and ****************ed off
i cant blame him
elvis didnt want to marry her in the first place but was forced to
it was biggest mistake he ever made[/QU
elvis had his own mind and i am sure he would not marry someone just because they told him to. if thats the case he would have listend to people who tried to help in the last years of his life when he was destroying himself with percription drugs. he was his own person and he loved priscilla i have no doubt about that.
elvislady
[QUOTE=elvislady;78781]are you kidding ?Originally Posted by graceland123
he did a lot of things he didn t want to ,the movies for one he hated them
he hated the songs in them
he wanted to do shows out of the states but was nt allowed to
he did everything colonel told him to that includes marrying priscilla
marty lacker says elvis tol d him they were pressurising him into marriage
the beaulieus were behind it her stepfather put the moves on the colonel and he made it happen he set the whole thing up
elvis admits with his own words on a tape recording he was railroaded into it
the truth hurts doesnt it
No she's not kidding.To think Elvis would marry someone just because the colonel told him too is ridiculous.Im guessing the colonel would have said "Elvis dont get involved with such a young girl it might not look proper".Nobody pushed around Elvis in his personal life.Elvis may have hated some of his flicks but he agreed to do them.The colonel was an employee.Elvis was the boss.Elvis if he had enough desire could have changed things without having to say "please" to the colonel.Again no blame is put on Elvis for the poor movies.Stella Stevens asked Elvis why he didnt make better films and he replied"Why mess with sucsess".He was making lots of money.Wasnt allowed to do shows out of the states?You have lots to learn my friend.Elvis didnt have the desire needed to go overseas.His drug usage more than anything was probably the main reason.The fear of getting his drugs out of the country ws a problem or not getting more when he left the states.Elvis wasnt a slave.Some people talk about him like he was a child held prisoner by the people around him.Elvis was a very powerfull and influential person.The only thing that clould stop him from doing anything was his own lack of will and motivation.
Jak
[quote=jak;78792] Nobody pushed around Elvis in his personal life.[quote]
Well, I think that when the Colonel , in 1968, ordered to all the guys not to talk of their private matters to Elvis and not to give him "those" books to read, and to first refer to Joe Esposito who will eventually report everything to him(the Col) , is kinda pushing around him,don't you?
and I love you so..people ask me how..how I've lived 'till now
Dovey
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thanks for the Larry Geller article Joanne..
To me he was truly a good friend to Elvis and the other guys hated him for it..... yes for sure Parker only cared about the $$$$ as did Dr. Nick. It sure is sad to think that $$$ is so important to people but we have proof that it still goes on even though Elvis is gone... his name makes money for the people who used him..
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Yes Redroo you are right... She and her mother did plan the whole thing (her mother back in the beginning)
Yesterday I listened to the Red Westtape again and Elvis plainly says that he was railroaded into that marriage... Red tries to , and does, change the subject but Elvis defiantly knew what cilla was and did not want her to have any part of Graceland...
She hurt him time and time again but it was mostly over his daughter, Lisa Marie, because she knew he loved her so much.
Her day will come!!!!!!---- Her lies will all catch up with her.
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I think the people who come on here to run Elvis down are not fans at all..... as a fan, we all know Elvis's faults as well as his achievements...... and the achiievments far out weigh anything else he did in his life.... I celebrate his life and thank got for him. Dovey
Is that the LA tape where Red is in some hotel when E puts in a call to him, if so yeh, he does say that he was roped into the marrage by Parker, you see it always comes back to the fat cigar muncher, and Pis
you think
What you think that people who come to this site rubbish E and put him down...give me a break, i have been to most sites on the net concerning Elvis and i can tell you that this is the best site on the net there is, we would not be here talking about E if we did not think that he was pooly treated by the scum bags that took him for what he could do for them, maybe just maybe if things were different we would still have E here with us and who knows he may even be talking to us all here at this site on the net...from what you have said sounds like you do not log in very much jack...
Redroo Adelaide South Australia...wheres your bloody name MATE...
Dovey
if that was you who said we put E down, well iam sorry for what i said, i thought at the bottom of the page some fruit loop might have put a tag in without saying who they were...We don't put E down do we!!!
Why have conversations where we are direspecting each other, Elvis and the people he loved, its not a good thing, can't believe some of the stuff on here! Whats done is done and we can't change that and whatever Priscilla says or does is also out of our hands so why bother arguing over it, Elvis is why were all come together and chat, not anyone else.
Elvis-Memories,Sweet Memories-Elvis
No Redoo, I do not put Elvis down and never will. I think Jak is a Snake and also think that he has been on this board before using a different name.
Truely he makes me laugh... he can not even pretent to be a Elvis fan because the truth is he is not a Elvis fan. (silly cilly maybe?)
Don't know if you ever read or listened to the tape Red West made to Elvis just before their book came out..... but on the recording Elvis plainly says that he was "railroaded into that marriage" and the divorce was very hard on him. Red was trying to change the subject because he wanted Elvis to incriminate himself as much as he could get him to do... to back their book up. (it is a 32 minute tape) God with friends like that Elvis did not need enemies.
I do not know why people come to this site to run Elvis down because it does not work and they only make fools of themselves.
Elvis fans already know about Elvis.... we can read also!!
But if it makes him happy to do it... I will respect his little game and sit here and laugh at him
This truly is the best Elvis site on the net and I truly love it... there are some pretty "Awesome" people here. Most do not give a hoot about cilla... I don't either but get a kick out of some people.
Although I did find out that cilla does tell people in other countries that she is Elvis's widow and how mean he was to her... so I guess, if a person does not know any better... I can understand why they might believe some of Jak's B.S. (as sick as that is... I have been told by several people that she does tell all kinds of sick stories... )
Hey, have a great day and keep smiling. Dovey
I agree with you Dovey all the way. This is an ELVIS site and to my mind the best there is for sure and there certainly is a lot of wonderful people here. For my part I will not take the bait anymore and will ignore anyone who posts anything that puts him down. They are only here to have fun at our expense and they are not worth our time......
if it will put your mind to rest I am not a she but a he and this is the only name I have ever used on any board.Dovey you should know that because I believe I sent you the cd you needed along with a free dvd and you sent me an address book in return without me asking for it.I sent you the items for free because I do like to help other fans out.Why am I not a fan because I acknowledge the bad things in Elvis' life.Tell me one lie I have posted here about Elvis.Anyone?This is a nice board but is frequented by narrow minded people who choose to worship Elvis and deify him rather than just admit he was a tragically flawed human with amazing talent.
As far as Priscilla or Lisa or any others in Elvis' life I couldnt care less and am a fan of none of them.I only post an opposing viewpoint because the utter ignorance of these posts boggle the mind.An attack on me personally just shows that my statements cant be argued in an intelligent manner and insults are the last result and its typical.
Jak
Well Jak, when I am wrong I am wrong!!!! You are a true Elvis Fan and I was wrong to say that you weren't ... I do apologize to you and need to get my foot out of my mouth. ( I am sorry!!)
I am not narrow mined when it comes to Elvis... I have read the books, know the stories and yes I am sure most of it is true Jak but Elvis gave us so much that I will always love him and yes, I admit admire him.
He came from nothing, 2 room shack in Tupelo, was made fun of all his life.... sure he went a little wild and lost track of what was truly happening to him but I am not so sure that any of us would not of done the same thing in his shoes. I did try to show you all the reasons for Elvis's faults but it seemed like you put a wall up.. he needed help jak but 40 years ago ... the help was not there.
Jak, I thought you were another person who comes on here from time to time and enjoys running Elvis down just to get a fight started...
You are one of the most wonderful people that I have ever meet on the internet ... I am sorry but I had no idea... (but for me I hate it when people always bring up the bad things about Elvis... all the fans know these things about him and we do not forget but we also do not forget all the good things he did either) Maybe I am wrong Jak but I like to celebrate all the good things he did in his life.
Well Jak, I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me because I do know that you are one of the kindest Elvis Fans I have ever meet ...not many people would of done what you did for me. I do feel bad. doh:
(Do you dislike me now Jak?? ... sure hope not ..I do know Elvis's faults and now my own but I will always defend Elvis... it is just me I guess.... by the way Jake the Sake is a wrestler and I like him too. )
Last edited by Dovey; 09-04-2006 at 03:46 PM.
Dovey
I know some of the things I posted sounded harsh but I wasnt trying to provoke anyone.I just try to balance things out with my views.Ive had Elvis as a main influence my entire life but I try to keep it in perspective.Lets just finish this thread by agreeing to disagree.The reason I helped you out previously Dovey was that i could tell you were a true fan from your posts.Still friends through Elvis!
Jak
Thank you Jak, You truly are a sweetheart and I am happy we are still friends.
If there was ever a Elvis fan... I know that you are one... you did not even know me.. and you showed great kindness like Elvis.
Bless you and Take care (I learned a lesson today) but best of all you are still my friend and always will be through Elvis. Dovey
Though I didn't attack anyone personally, I got my share of insultation such as being ignorant, narrow minded,worshipping,one of those jumpsuited fans with glasses who keep saying "thank you very much"..in other words, a total f..... fool I am ha??..no! I'm not that one Jak, just because I do not agree what you think about Elvis..you sound like you don't have mercy on this man ,just like the others who lived around him for years..you take all his problems as being spoiled or personal weaknesses..never give a thought ,what other reasons could be about the medication,other than him being a plain junkie,which I will never believe..in my opinion ,you miss alot of him..no you don't need to worship him, it's enough to see what Elvis the man really had in him..
Wow. I am hesitant to jump back into this because so many of you, on both sides of the aisle, are friends, and I believe all are fans. It takes all kinds to make the world go round and that's why I like this forum. You get to hear all sides. Some are very passionate and some, like me, mostly sit back and enjoy the banter. Mostly....
After all is said and done. The man, his music, his legacy and contrubution to culture and music is immeasurable. I believe his heart was good and he was generous to a fault. There is a lot of supportive evidence to this. He was talented beyond measure, no doubt. And... he had many weaknesses and faults. Now, who on this board is without sin... cast the first stone. I'd hate to have mine made public for microscopic scrutiny. Or my life in general for that matter. You make mistakes, you learn, you live. And hopefully, you don't end up in prison, mamed for life or dead. Some mistakes back us into a corner, and those , compiled with other events, real or imagined, trap us there. When you get so deep you can't help yourself you need intervention. When sources are limited and people are payrolled, it gets slim that it will happen.
Anyway. I agree and disagree with alot on both sides. Most of you have valid points and if they are not valid to me that's ok too. I still consider Elvis someone to look up to and to be a fan of. I respect him and love his music and think that without a doubt he is the best entertainer that ever lived or will live I will also tell my children , when they get older if they want to know. That he was a man with faults and made some wrong choices. That doesn't mean he was bad, just human. He strived to do right in alot of areas and be honorable in many ways in his life. And he was , I believe, more often than not.
Hell of alot better than almost every possible role model that exists today, especially in the entertainment field.
Johnny Cash was a good man who got his demons mostly under control.
Elvis Presley was a good man who did not.
Johnny had the right kind of people around him.
Elvis did not.
Both are legends and people to aspire to and respect.
Got my family, my kids, my books and my music, I'm good, yeah, I'm good.....
Maybe I phrased some of my posts the wrong way previously but I stand behind the meaning of them.I do have compassion for Elvis.He has been someone I've respected all my life.Was he a junkie.Of course he was.We cant change that.Many a lesser man has pulled themselves out of it and recovered.Unfortunately Elvis couldnt or wouldnt do it.We dont know what happened behind closed doors.Although his fame came with negatives we all know that the good certainly outweighed the bad.Everyday people like us have faced far greater hardships than Elvis ever encountered.Being Elvis Presley certainly eliminated certain hardships that you and I may have to deal with in our ordinary lives.I believe not just Elvis but everyone is responsible for their own actions.Anything else is a welfare mentality that enables people to say "its not my fault".I give Elvis credit for being the most gifted performer Ive ever known but when I look at some of the mistake's he made he had nobody to blame but himself and he shouldnt be above criticism.
Jak
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