Wow, I am so glad to start this thread. You guys have given me a lot to contemplate. Another thing I noticed on the dvd, which is basically, Elvis according to Priscilla, is the part where Elvis is talking to Wink Martindale and Wink asks him "Is there anyone special" and Elvis says " No, not any one special girl at this time " the way they edited it in it made it appear that he was saying this while he was seeing Priscilla when if fact it was way before he even met her. That irratated me, and all the whining in the "woe is me" mode. Hell, she's probably richer off of Elvis now that Elvis ever was! Pretty pathetic...
Got my family, my kids, my books and my music, I'm good, yeah, I'm good.....
The way they portrayed Jessie Presley's wife, Vera as Elvis grandmother annoyed me. Anyone who didn't know would think Vera was Elvis grandmother, and the way they spoke about Elvis - they pretended they knew him very well. Elvis had little to nothing to do with Jessie or Vera.
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Thanks Cryogenic, very interesting post. Yes I have seen the Helicopter scene and the interview after he got off the Helicopter, and I can't but agree with you on both those occasions. Upon further refelection; Elvis certainly was remarkabaly different at the Hawaiann Village press conference after he arrived than he was during this Astrodome one. In general, I think he is much better than he had been previously and what I mean about that is he's in better shape looking physically stronger.Originally Posted by Cryogenic
Totally agree.
Nevertheless, the scale of the book - even if much of it is stitched together from other publications/interviews previously done - is to be commended.
I actually find the truth to be a mixture of your opinion and Guralnick's.
Have you ever seen any pictures of Elvis sitting inside the helicopter just before/as it touches down? His eyes definitely look drawn and vacant. When he gets out of the helicopter, he practically blanks the Hawaiian girl that's dancing to greet him. Then he does a short interview with that reporter - and if you've heard it, you'll know he gave fairly indifferent, monosyllabic answers. Now, while these latter two observations could be dismissed as a man simply impatient to greet the crowd and even the first observation could be dismissed as Elvis merely being pensive, I have to wonder... There's just something different. That fire, that passion is still inside of Elvis - but something is obscuring it. It takes more on stage to unleash it. He no longer has the energy or enthusiasm of 1968, 1969 or even 1970. Rocking numbers like C.C. Rider, Burning Love and Suspicious Minds are wheeled off with such a dispassion that Elvis really doesn't seem bothered about even ATTEMPTING to deliver them as he only he could. Then there are the distant expressions on songs like "It's Over" (admittedly, an emotional song - but he looks genuinely depressed in parts) and a failure, despite what appears to be joyfulness while performing it, to fully articulate the words on "Johnny B. Goode". There are also a frightening number of mistakes made during the rehearsal concert. At times, it seems like Elvis' mind is elsewhere.
I've even read somewhere - though this could be completely false - that Elvis was strung out on his balcony the following day/evening. If true, this couldn't be more damaging. A man that should be on top of the world experiencing the depths of despair! Perhaps he was reflecting on his divorce, perhaps he was thinking ahead to his Vegas commitment, but one thing's for certain - this wasn't the bright, bouyant and totally driven artist of five years earlier!
Now, don't get me wrong here: I LOVE Aloha. Elvis really does tear through many songs and clearly experiences many moments of ecstasy. It's a solid hour of groundbreaking entertainment. But Elvis had just had another birthday and formalised the divorce papers - this was surely affecting him for the worse. Moreover, he didn't seem too bothered about his appearance in 1972 - when he was going in front of high resolution film cameras! What does that tell you? As much as it appeared that he had got back on track for Aloha, there was something else going on. A person suffering the severe depression that gripped Elvis doesn't just get over it. He was depressed in 1972 and depressed in 1973; Aloha is sandwiched right in the middle and does not represent an Elvis at his peak publically or privately.
But again, that's not to say it doesn't have things to cherish - it surely does! It's its own thing: good and bad. It even has things to offer that the Comeback Special doesn't and vice versa. But it's not above criticism, and in the arc of Guralnick's narrative, I think he gives it the assessment it's due. He's not necessarily towing the EPE line as much as he's honestly giving his views. Guralnick is lamenting the "unmaking" of a great talent, and in this context, he is surely right to be speaking negatively by 1973 - a year that ended with a bizarre outburst by Elvis on stage and would be topped by an even stranger one the following year! Guralnick isn't us and we are not Guralnick. I think his views are ultimately sensible - if shaped by the subjective biases that human minds are wont to make.
Anyway, back to your regular programming.
Speaking of which, I'd like to add a point to your very incisive "Priscilla" list!
As much as I love "Elvis by the Presleys" for its tasteful presentation and archive material (video footage and audio snippets!), the very title is a contradiction: as you've pointed out, Priscilla is really a "Beaulieu", not a Presley! What's more, her parents pull some odd and, to my mind, false expressions throughout their segments! For every bit of truthfulness in "Elvis by the Presleys", there's a fair amount of treachery and deceit in evidence! However, this takes the cake... The special opens with a chapter called "Elvis: Meeting Priscilla", and as if that wasn't enough, then proceeds with a second chapter called, "Elvis: Introducing Mrs Presley". The whole thing is VERY one-sided. For better or worse, Elvis' legacy is now firmly in the hands of this woman. The Colonel may have grabbed Elvis by the neck - but Priscilla has him by the balls. As that song goes, "the female of the species is more deadly than the male..."
You are right about him not looking the best in 72' but he was undergoing an image change as he remarked to Larry Geller, when Larry motioned at all the jewlery Elvis was wearing in 72', Elvis said something to the effect of, "It's part of a new image". I do blame the lighting and lack of make up for EOT for his often puffy appearence on stage during it's filming. Have to agree though, he is very different than 1970.
I find Elvis somewhat of an enigma. Vernon is some I really can't figure out all that much, but Elvis especially. By 75' he was using cocaine on the balcony of the Hilton. Snorting it by 75' and then moving onto cotton balls soaked in liquid coke. He said he needed it to get him 'above' the pills he was taking. Then again, it seems he only used it rarely. Most of the group hated to see him use that and broke the toe of the guy getting it to him. I don't know who was getting it to him, but I believe the guy I suspect was the subject of discussion here a while back regarding his fantasy stories of Elvis.
I think you are right in what you say. I sure wish he had lived though. It must be tough to be Elvis Presley 24 hours a day. The world lost a lot of magic when he left, a void that hasn't and won't ever be filled. He was Elvis. Forever ingrained in history and popular culture. A figure from the Entertainment industry who towers over the greatest politicans and world leaders of his period. He was a great great guy, not perfect, but his humanity, mortality and character is what impresses me most about him. E-L-V-I-S and Elvis Aaron Presley were two different concepts. Did ye ever hear Larry Geller talk about the time they were in Knoxville and going to a concert. Elvis was walking with him in the Hotel and turned to Larry when they reached a window and pointed at a group of fans outside. He said, " Those fans love Elvis; but they don't know who I am." I think it pretty much sums up his outlook on life at that stage. Another time he was in the Den in Graceland having his breakfast, bacon and eggs but was just picking at it. Patsy Lacker was with him I think. Linda had gone out shopping, the guys were upsatirs and Lisa was with Priscilla, it was around Christmas also. It was just the two them and he said something along the lines of; "It's funny, here I am, Linda is out shoping, Lisa is in L.A and I'm here alone." I just feel very sorry for the intense loneliness he felt. Patsy went on to say the guys came in a second later and Elvis' mood changed, he coulden't let them see him being vulnerable. He was Elvis after all.
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There were quite a few voiceovers of Elvis during this dvd which were very misplaced for instance you hear Elvis saying that the best times he ever had were with his family and during that we get Priscilla etc and its made to look like he is talking about them when in fact he is talking about him and his parents.
I don't know what to think, its funny I reread the segments in Careless love concerning the Striesand movie. It more or less said Elvis was hot for it anf told the Col a few days later who immediatly brought up the bad side and after negotiations for a couple of weeks The COl told him they had not got back to him after wanting $1,000,000 and other changes. Then I went to the A. Nash book on the same subject and Lamar Fike on page 701 is quoted as saying Elvis really did not want to do it and told the Col to make the demands so stiff that they will turn it down. I have never trusted Lamars word , he above all the others wants you to think that Elvis did nothing without consulting him. He wants to play up his publishing affiliations to make it look like Elvis consulted him on those type things. Every one knows Lamar was the butt of many Elvis jokes book even calls him Elvis's whipping boy. Lamar gives me the impression that he has this ax to grind, never had the guts while Elvis was standing in front of him (according to others) but now claims he was so instumental in so many areas of Elvis's life. I hear him on Larry King and you'd think he was the only one who ever stood his ground and told Elvis what he thought. He has had a good living off Elvis, a major source for the Goldman book, several others not to mention the ones he is officially connected to like the Nash ones. The more sensational and lurid the better. He will never make me believe he was Elvis's friend no matter how many times he says it. Elvis was a way for him to make a good living with no talent. I wonder how many of these guys, now that I'm rereading, truely were Elvis's friends?
Elvis created a lot of problems by paying the guys to be around him. But I do think Elvis was a good enough judge of character to not have people around him who were using him. He always ranted about family members just coming around for handouts. I believe Elvis trusted the guys around him. He didn't hire people because of thier qualifications, he had to like them. I believe they all were his friends, but I think he cared for Billy more than anyone else, even more than Priscilla - which is something that she didn't appreciate it.
These guys spent so many years with Elvis, and they didn't make good money. Elvis payed crap. He gave good perks and helped them when they needed it, but the job they did had no stability. He could and did fire people at will and then take them back. I think had he lived, roughly the same group would be around him. Certainly I think, Joe, Lamar, Marty, George, Billy, Sam, Larry, Jerry, Dick and Charlie would still be working for him. I also think he may have taken Red and Sonny back. he only fired them originally to teach them a lesson from what I've been told, and his track record on doing that supports it.
These guys spent more time around Elvis than anyone. More time than Lisa, Priscilla, Linda or any of the girls he dated. They knew Elvis through and through and he knew them. I sure wonder how Graceland would look today had he lived! The den would be awesome in my opinion!
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You are right about they got paid a crap salary , but got fringes of free travel lodgings, some got homes given to them, cars, jewelry, contacts with people they would have never met in a straight job on the outside, extra cash as each needed it with little any illness he would make sure they got the best of care at his expense add the total of their fringes you come out to a great living. Some of them worked very hard for it, others hinted at things, "My E thats a sharp ring."...
"Wow what a set of wheels E..." some knew just mention it and 9 out of 10 its yours. One guy mentioned if Elvis had done all the things claimed he would have been dead in 65. I just do not buy it all. I also do not buy the saint Elvis image, never did- even when I was young enough to easily want it to be that way. Good books with little controversy on any subject, not just Elvis, sell less. The deeper the controversy, the more lurid it is told, the more questions you bring up the bigger the sales-that lends itself to close scrutiny for motive. One book would show your love and respect for Elvis and tell your version of what you saw, more than one book has to be for the money. So anyone involved with book after book in some way, should bring great doubt. Billy is the exception of the group we've talked about. The rest it boils down to the degree they have done it. I got to say this about Red West, he has made a consistent living in music and tv/motion pictures even when Elvis was alive, He has traded on the name, but is much more selective since the Steve Dunleavy book(where he felt a little burnt by the way it was done)Wow i guess I'm writing a book myself-sorry.
I have no positive feelings for both of them. The only thing -for me- that make them special is their relationship with Elvis.
I admire Priscilla's commercial succes with the Estate, just like I admire Parker's succes with bringing Elvis to the top. But it's obviously foremost about the money. Just look at the articles that are officially licensed by the Estate, and how many amazing possible things haven't been done by EPE.
Besides the financial succes of Priscilla, I believe that Ernst has done more positive things to improve Elvis' images and the worldwide recognition of Elvis as an artist, than Priscilla has ever accomplised through the Estate. And that say enough.
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Yes Ernst is one of the few positive things BMG(RCA) has done. Has anyone heard about how hes doing since I read he has been very sick?
I'll just cut and paste earlier things I wrote about these two dames
Elvis was kind of blackmailed into going ahead with the marriage to Pris because they could always publicize that he had been seeing her since she was just a few months shy of 15 and he had just turned 25. She was jailbait, baby! and in - especially - the America of the late fifties/sixties that could totally ruin one's career. I mean: you DO remember the Jerry Lee Lewis debacle, don't you?
Besides, Pris' parents were going to hold Elvis to the "promise" he'd made to the teenage Pris, because they'd after all "let him have her" when they allowed her to move to Graceland in her senior year of high school (when she of course STILL was jailbait).
I always have had mixed feelings regarding Pris (and Lisa Marie for that matter. But then she has going for her that she's partially the product of the brainwashing by mommy dearest).
Fact is that Pris - and not Elvis as she always claims in her book and all her public appearances - was the one who kept trying to get in contact with him, while he was having fun back in Hollywood with tons of starlets and in Memphis with his girlfriend Anita Wood
If you read her story, Pris was the perfect saint and Elvis the devil incarnateI always thought she was quite the sophisticated and scheming little 14 year old! And history repeated itself in their daughter, who dropped out of school in the ninth grade and had many boyfriends and a drug past before she got pregnant at barely twenty and got married with her then beau.....Now Lisa was predominantly raised by her mom, so you can't blame Elvis for that
What always totally irked me about Pris is that when she was freshly divorced from Elvis, she couldn't wait to drop the name "Presley" insisting in interviews in print and in person that she "was her own person" who wanted to prove her independence and reclaim her own identity by being known henceforth as "Priscilla Beaulieu". The body was hardly cold, or she became "Priscilla Beaulieu-Presley" and the longer time had passed since his death, she returned to being known as "Priscilla Presley". There are legions of people (even in the media!) who still think she is Elvis' WIDOW instead of his EX, whose only connection to the original estate was that she was the single heir's legal guardian!!!!
Did she do good for Elvis' inheritance as far as the memory and the physical (monetary) estate goes? Yes, of course. She increased the finances by hiring the right folks who set out the right strategies as far as making the image and name of Elvis a continued source of income for his heirs.Did she also do it, as she always publicly claims, "for the fans"? No, of course not. That's why EPE allows so much incredible crap to be sold with the EPE stamp of approval. Everybody involved with EPE knows that Elvis' fans are so loyal and (often) so desparate for anything remotely linked to Elvis, that they're almost prepared to (literally) buy anything....... Pris' loyalty is to the almighty US dollar before anything (everybody who saw her at the end of Oprah, pimping the Elvis musical "All shook Up" will acknowledge that).
Having said that, I found Pris (except for her horribly over botoxed and siliconed face) more likeable on Oprah than Lisa Marie. For the first time I saw a glimpse of honesty that was refreshing in its nakedness. Especially the moment where she admitted she was only able to "let Lisa go" two short years ago, was telling and funny.
Lisa, however, for all her cursing, posing and "openness" (is that even a word?) to me always comes across as somebody who is playing a part and therefore, couldn't be farther removed from her dad (especially in his early years) in that respect.
Sorry for the long, very personal, post. These two chicks just get under my skin.PRISCILLA'S JUNE 22 APPEARANCE ON LARRY KING LIVE
Here's part of the transcript that was about Scientology and what Elvis, according to Ms. Beaulieu, thought about it:
KING: You are a Scientologist.
PRESLEY: I am.
KING: Gets you a lot of raps around. Tom Cruise takes rap for it. Why?
PRESLEY: I don't know. It's doing great, though. Business is great. Any -- you know, I think -- it's a new religion. You know, it's only 50 years old and any great religion, you know is, basically, for some reason that, you know, has a...
KING: Has it helped you?
PRESLEY: Absolutely. Absolutely.
KING: Was Elvis very much into religion?
PRESLEY: Oh, my gosh, yes, you know, from the time he was a very young child, he was, you know...
KING: Was he a believer?
PRESLEY: A believer in...?
KING: Did he believe in god?
PRESLEY: Oh, yes. That was really the foundation that he had -- in our families. His mother and father would go to church, the Assembly of God Church and they'd, you know, sing and it was just -- a part of his life. Absolutely.
KING: What do you think he would have thought of Scientology?
PRESLEY: Well, you know, he was interested in Scientology. He actually went in and it was very, very new back then, and you know, he -- it's -- there's a -- you know, if you saw the special, it he talked about him being in self-realization. It takes a -- it's a long process.
It's not something you just go and, you know, just attend. You have to really work on yourself and he wanted things very quickly, and when he found out he had to really work for it, you know, it was like, well, I'll come back.
KING: I knew L. Ron Hubbard, so...
PRESLEY: Oh, really?
KING: I interviewed him when he wrote science-fiction books in the 60s.
PRESLEY: Oh, I didn't know that.
The entire transcript can be found HEREAbout Lisa Marie:Now, I'm not the biggest Elvis expert (Oh, Captain ) but it's obvious that Priscilla has been trying for the longest time to rewrite history to her liking. She's creating her own fairytale.
It's odd, though, that a woman of her alleged intelligence seems to be forgetting that Elvis has pretty much been living a life in a fishbowl as the most talked about, written about and most photographed person on the planet. It's like when someone like Michael Jackson or Cher denies they've had multiple plastic surgeries: the world has been a witness to much they have been doing during their lives and people therefore remember.
In Priscilla's case, the world - at least that part of the world that has been paying attention - has witnessed several versions of her truth now, changed as it most accommodates her at the time she changes it.
In her version, Elvis was the one who persued her, Elvis was the one who couldn't live without her, Elvis was the one who wanted to get back together etc. etc. etc.
Fact is that teenager Pris went on a hungerstrike after Elvis had returned to the US, that SHE bombarded him with letters begging him to let her come over (Elvis was busy enough entertaining Anita Wood in Memphis and tons of starlets and co-stars in Hollywood, remember?), and after her visit with him I guess she'd made up her mind that one way or another, she was going to be with him.
Did Elvis love her? Sure, but there are different kinds of love, as we all know. I think he may at first have been struck by her physical beauty, and he was still in mourning for his mother, living in a different country, not doing his regular job, which made him more vulnerable when he confided in her. That may have caused him to say certain things that may not have had as much meaning to him, but could be perceived as quite serious stuff by an awestruck teenager......
Did he invite her over? Yep, he sure did. He may have thought it would be a one time thing, pleasing that pretty fan of his from Germany. He may have thought of her as another pretty girl to have a fun time with. Did he make promises to her about marriage and spending the rest of his life with her? Probably, it is documented as such not just by Pris but by others, too.
Did he intend to keep them, or at least when he made those promises, realize the weight a young girl would read in them? Who knows....
Fact is that more than enough folks around Elvis claim that he was more or less tricked into marrying her, into keeping his "promises".....
Everybody knows Elvis had a hard time being faithful to his women, and most of his women knew and accepted this. When you think about it, Priscilla was one of the first "other women", since at the time she entered Elvis' life, his girlfriend was Anita Wood, and he also dated several Frauleins in Germany - more than once.
He continued this bachelor lifestyle throughout his relation and later marriage to Pris. She knew it beforehand, yet she insisted on becoming Mrs. Presley. Why? Others had dated him, and had left him when they found out he couldn't just be loyal to one woman at a time..... Ulterior motives perhaps?
Anyway, the marriage went downhill, he cheated her, she cheated him, they separated and divorced. She gave interviews right after her divorce in which she did NOT mention that she and Elvis "saw each other all the time" but only complained about him being possessive and that now she could finally become "her own woman and prove that she was her own person with her own talents". To enforce that, she insisted on going back to her maiden name Priscilla Beaulieu, and tried - amongst other things - to make a name for herself as a fashion designer.
Then Elvis dies, and who does little Lisa Marie call? Not mommy, but Linda Thompson......
Priscilla Beaulieu becomes Priscilla Beaulieu-Presley again. Vernon dies, leaving Pris in charge of Lisa's meager inheritance.
Did she do good for Elvis' legacy? Well, the upkeep of Graceland cost much more than she was making as a wannabe actress, so opening it to the public was a gamble, but in reality probably the only way to try and get some revenue from it. It worked. I think that's when Priscilla's pupils from then on were slowly replaced by dollar signs, as soon as she realized how loyal Elvis' fanbase was and how prepared they were to plunk down hard earned cash for even the most trivial souvenirs relating to Elvis.
Priscilla Beaulieu-Presley became Priscilla Presley again and with the repolishing of the real Elvis story, the real Priscilla role in it got repolished as well. Re-written is a better term.
Did Elvis love her? Yep, I think first as a pretty, young fan. Later as a pretty young girlfriend he could mold to his liking, the pretty wife who gave him his only child, and the lovely ornament to show off on his arm.
Did he resent her? Sure, when she didn't or couldn't understand his spiritual quest, when she began to mature and develop a mind and will of her own and later of course when she cheated on him with a guy HE introduced to her, and when she left and took his child with her.....
Was she the only woman he ever loved?Hardly...... Was she the woman he loved the most? Romantically? I wouldn't know, could have been Linda, too. Overall the woman he loved the most obviously was his mom.
Did he regret losing her? Yep, but not necessarily because he loved her so much, but - in his mind - because he lost face due to her cheating on him with a "lesser" man. She humiliated him, in his opinion, in public. Everybody knew she had a relationship with the guy, except him. It probably cut as deep into his ego - if not deeper - as in his heart.
Sorry for the long, rambling post. Pris (and brainwashed Lisa for that matter) bring out the worst in me, hehehe
Sorry for several repetions in the separate posts. There was some time between them of course, originally.The point is that if she TRULY wished not to be compared to her dad, she would not have chosen the exact same profession, despite the fact that she can't sing if her life depends on it
She could have put her lyrics in a book and called herself a poet, or just written stuff down in a book and call herself an author. Or she could have picked a gazillion of other professions, yet she chose the exact same thing her dad did.
Also she's really unbelievable when she says stuff like she did on Oprah, that she doesn't like to be the center of attention and that she did not go to red carpet occassions like every opening of an envelope: she chose to do fashion photo shoots, pose for US glossies, date famous men and ultimately go on stage herself..... not really actions of a person who doesn't want to have attention focused on herThere are tons of celeb's kids who have very full lives and careers well outside the public eye, she could have done that too, easily..... I suspect the fact that she and Pris are out there so much is fueled by economic interests .... keeping Elvis (and thus the cash register) on the forefront.
Again: I'm totally with Albert when he says the only thing she's got going for her is that she's Elvis' daughter. Other than that I really have no time for her.
She really lost the plot during the Larry King interview she knows **** well that he didn`t approve of Scientology.
He probably did not aprove of it(Scientology), theres a difference between approval and interest. Elvis liked the Book the Prophet and gave copies of it to many and felt it had a good message, but never coverted to Hinduism or whatever. He had an interest in numerology and was really into it for a while but that did not make him a huge believer who would bet his life on it. According to Gellar, Schilling and most of the others he had trunks of books about religions of all kinds he carted wherever he went for any length of time, also books on the supernatural. Interesting to read and talk about but doesn't mean you buy it all. He was a curious, curious person.
Yes he was very well read. But he did express a dislike towards Scientology.
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If anything the guy proved to be truly spiritual. Somewhere deep down inside, he knew that the entity we call "God" was not owned by ONE religion, that it was a concept. Elvis' spiritual quest led him to study most if not all religions to find what they had in common and what not, and to take from each religion what spoke to his heart and spirit the most.
I think maybe he really did love still love Priscilla. During the Desert Storm Las Vegas 74 rant he sure talks alot about her and to her, even dedicating "It's Midnight" to her but then he again maybe was trying to get a message to her, make her think or hurt her back in some way, as may be evident in the way he explained that " you gave me a mountain" was not about her, but then he turns around and sang it like it was. He was definately haunted and hurt by it all for sure. :'(
There are some very harsh statements made here about Lisa and Priscilla, some of them may be warranted, but I have my own opinion on this, so please bear with me.
I have based my opinion on a lot of material I have read, heard or 'read through the lines' and I think that we should really cut Priscilla and Lisa some slack here.
Elvis was the first man that Priscilla had ever had any connection with, besides her father of course, and by all accounts Elvis was a great charmer (understatement of the year!!) He would have made her feel special, the same way he made practically every other woman he came in contact with. It has been said that he mentioned to Joe about Priscilla's bone structure, so maybe he had in his mind all those years ago, that this was to be the mother of his child.
Priscilla knew about all the other women in Elvis' life, she wasn't stupid by any means, but if you take a poll of married women today, and I will tell you that probably 99% will say that they knew their future husbands had faults, but they thought they could change them after the marriage......not going to happen ladies, thats a fact.....!!! The only person marriage changes is the female, she wants to settle down, make a home and have babies...hopefully in that order.....this didn't happen with Priscilla...she already had the home, that someone else had made, was pregnant it seems within hours of the marriage, and what does her husband do?????Go on tour for weeks and months on end....Elvis has women literally lining up at his door....Graceland, LA house etc......I can imagine Priscilla was very lonely, and now with a child that she herself has said that she was willing to abort......
The decision Vernon made to hand over the estate to Priscilla was a good decision...what if he had handed it over to tom parker...heaven forbid....we would have seen dancing chickens on the front porch in no time. I imagine that Priscilla really had no idea that Graceland would end up being as popular as it has become.....it's been a good money spinner for her and Lisa, but also for a good many other people in the Memphis area....don't forget, EPE don't own every shop or every motel in Memphis. I wouldn't like to be either Priscilla or Lisa, they have become 'objects' to the different forms of media, now with the ability and the age of computer technology, they can be put into different situations where us as the public are lead to believe are either doing the wrong thing or saying something that has been completely taken out of context.....Lisa has made some mistakes, but who hasn't...I know I married a man that was absolutely and completely wrong for me, and I think that marriage lasted as long as Lisa's did with MJ, fortunately, the world didn't know I had made a dreadful mistake and was able to get along with my life in a personal manner.....
I'm not saying here that Priscilla doesn't have her faults, I know I have plenty of them....but I think she is ****ed if she does and ****ed if she doesn't.
Carolyn
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Can anyone please give a brief explanation about scientology?! Is it a new religion or a branch of christianity?!
Thanks in advance.
I googled Scientology. Here's one of the results:
What Scientologists Believe
Central tenets of this faith, based on the questions in the Belief-O-Matic quiz.More on Scientology
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?Belief in Deity
Scientology considers the belief in a God or gods as something personal and therefore offers no specific dogma. The nature of the Supreme Being is revealed personally through each individual as s/he becomes more conscious and spiritually aware. There exists a life energy or force (Theta) beyond and within all.
?Incarnations
There are no particular human incarnations of God, as the universal life force (Theta) is inherent in all. All humans are immortal spiritual beings (thetans) capable of realizing a nearly godlike state through Scientology practices.
?Origin of Universe and Life
All is manifestation of the universal spirit, which is all that actually exists.
?After Death
Rebirths continue until one consciously confronts all pre-birth, current-life, and previous-life traumas and realizes one's true nature as a "thetan," immortal spirit--transcending matter, energy, space, and time. Achieving this state enables the spirit to escape the cycle of birth and death--to operate independently of the physical universe and become one with God.
?Why Evil?
Painful experiences and harmful acts in one's prebirth, current, and past lives become imprinted in the reactive mind and lead to irrational behavior. Departures from rational thought and untrue ideas ("aberrations") can result in wrongdoing.
?Salvation
Salvation is achieved through the practices and techniques of Scientology, the ultimate goal of which is to realize one's true nature as an immortal spirit, a thetan. The path to salvation, or enlightenment, includes achieving states of increasingly greater mental awareness--Pre-Clear, Clear, and ultimately Operating Thetan. An Operating Thetan is a spirit who can control matter, energy, space, time, thought, and life. Practitioners ("Auditors") are regarded as ministers and counselors who assist others to achieve self-enlightenment. Auditors help others to identify their prebirth, current, and past-life disturbances, which are obstacles to happiness and spiritual enlightenment.
?Undeserved Suffering
Suffering occurs as part of the spirit's entrapment here in the physical universe. Only when the individual is aware of his spiritual nature can he identify his barriers within the universe and overcome them, rising out of a lower state and into a higher state of happiness and freedom.
?Contemporary Issues
Based on the belief that you cannot free yourself spiritually without working to free others, Scientology has founded and supports many organizations for social betterment, particularly in the areas of drug abuse, crime, psychiatric abuse, government abuse of law, human rights, religious freedom, education, and morality. Scientology strongly favors the use of their methodology for spiritual/mental healing over the use of conventional treatment.
It was also founded by this guy Hubbard. Before he founded it, he used write sci-fi books! Enough said!
The organisation also looks for celebrity members. It looks after them, as long as they keep giving money. Tom Cruise is a member, and the mother of his new child is going to have to have a silent birth - no screaming, that's what Scientology promotes, if she screams she distresses the child.
Apart from that they have also been caught up in quite a few legal cases of causing physical harm, mental distress to members while also being accused of murder on occasion.
The Sun Never Sets On A Legend...
If you want to call it philosophy okay, but not a religion when Hubbard got into , Thetans and the Infinite, and outer space connections and it become the church of Scientology-logical people might consider (what you stated) that before his grand revelations he wrote sci-fi stories to make a living.
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