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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by CRITTERGITTER View Post
    We were told a long time ago by one of the guys that it was an accidental overdose, but not by Elvis. We were told that the people who brought the last packet of meds to Elvis' room added and deleted some pills as a joke. It certainly could be a possibility since several of the guys admitted to their own drug problems. It's just a thought.

    You are closest to the truth.

  2. #142
    I found this article on line from 1978 just food for thought:
    HOW DID ELVIS DIE?
    The following article originally appeared in the Salt Lake City Tribune on January 29th, 1978:

    Toxicologists based at the University of Utah have completed laboratory studies of autopsy specimens from the body of Elvis Presley and have found that 11 drugs were present in the singer's system at the time of his death, The Tribune has learned.

    All of those drugs were consistent with medical treatment, said the director of the Center for Human Toxicology, Dr. Bryan S. Finkle. He spoke to The Tribune in an exclusive interview. The Center had been called in to provide a third toxicological analysis of typical autopsy specimens from Presley's body.

    He reported, "We have not detected any drug in Elvis that doesn't have a medical rationale to it - only agents prescribed for perfectly normal, rational medical reasons."

    Dr. Finkle said the singer had not been drinking prior to his sudden death, which reportedly was blamed on an erratic heartbeat, last Aug. 16. Efforts by the Tribune to obtain a copy of the report by the Center for Human Toxicology have not been successful.

    The Center received the first of the autopsy specimens on Oct. 4, and when The Tribune learned of this Dr. Finkle postponed requested interviews for professional reasons as he was acting in a consultant's role and in that, cannot talk in specifics.

    He spoke, when interviewed, in general that, yes, he had been involved in the case and that he found 11 drugs, all consistent with medical treatment. Of course, that the entertainer did have prescription drugs in his system at the time of death has previously been reported. Most accounts mentioned from eight to 10 drugs.

    The Center for Human Toxicology, which has an international reputation among toxicologists and forensic scientists, was the third organization called in in this phase of the Presley autopsy. The others were the Baptist Memorial Hospital in Memphis, Tenn.,and Bio-Science Laboratories, Van Nuys, Calif. Bio-Science requested the Center of Human Toxicology conduct the third examination, said Dr. Finkle.

    While certain agencies, including the center based at the University of Utah, and the Shelby County, Tennessee, Medical Examiner's Office, involved in this story receive public monies, it appears unlikely that there will be disclosure of specifics about the toxicological analysis. The autopsy performed was done at the request of the Presley family.

    In a nutshell, rights of privacy prevail and the parties appear to have no legal duty and are not compelled to disclose certain documents, in particular the toxicological report of the Center for Human Toxicology.

    Dr. Finkle, as a consultant in the Presley case, said he wrote a two-page report based on his findings at the request of Bio-Science. In it he lists the found drugs, their concentrations and he concludes with an opinion as to the potential or possible toxicological consequences of having this number of drugs in these concentrations in a body.

    The laboratory results here apparently satisfied Shelby County Medical Examiner Dr. Jerry T. Francisco that Presley's death could not be attributed to drug overdose. However , it was learned that the death certificate was signed before the final Finkle report was mailed. Dr. Finkle's opinion was solicited earlier by a phone call, and Dr. Francisco later said publicly that the prescriptions drugs found in the singer's system were not a contributing factor.

    The Associated Press, reporting on a press conference Dr. Francisco called last Oct. 21, quoted the medical examiner as saying that four drugs were found in significant quantities in the entertainer's bloodstream.

    They are Ethinamate, Methaqualone, codeine and barbiturates. The first two are sedatives; codeine is a narcotic analgesic or milder, secondary pain killer, and barbiturates are "downers" or sedatives or depressants. Dr. Francisco was quoted as saying that four other drugs-the antihistamine chlorpheniramine, meperidine, morphine and Valium-were found in what were said to be insignificant amounts.

    Meperidine and morphine are pain killers and Valium is a tranquilizer. Presley was not taking morphine per se; the morphine was a byproduct of the codeine. The AP said Dr. Francisco said the amount of drugs found in Presley's body, collectively, would not have constituted a drug overdose. And he said it was unlikely that the drugs' chemical reactions within the body could have contributed to his death.

    He said Presley died of a heart disease. "Had these drugs not been there, he still would have died." Dr. Francisco was quoted as saying that the press conference. But at this time the Finkle report was not in hand. It was not completed until December.

    Nonetheless, the death certificate was signed at a point-just prior to the release of the Finkle report-where tests were sufficiently completed so that authorities could conclude that the drugs did not contribute to the death.

    Officially, Dr. Francisco said in Memphis in October that Presley's death was caused by hypertensive heart disease with coronary artery disease as a contributing factor. The autopsy was conducted by Dr. Eric Muirhead, chief of pathology at Baptist Memorial Hospital. The autopsy was reportedly most thorough.

    While Dr. Finkle would not be specific, he did give some solid information. He said that he found no Ritalin in the specimens. Ritalin is a stimulant and a trade name for preparations of methylphenidate. Dr. Finkle said he had been specifically asked to look for this drug among other agents.

    As a toxicologist and not a medical doctor, Dr. Finkle will not even remotely discuss or determine cause of death. If he has an opinion he is keeping it to himself.

    The 42-year-old- Presley was found face down on the floor of a bathroom at Graceland, his 18-room mansion, at 2:30 p.m. Aug. 16. He had been last seen alive that day about 6 a.m. after playing racquet ball with members of his entourage. He was a sick man. He had hypertension and a colon problem. Efforts to revive the singer were abandoned that day at 3:30 p.m. at Baptist Memorial Hospital.

    The autopsy was reportedly very thorough and careful with several doctors participating. Dr. Finkle explained that it is routine in any medical-legal investigation for there to be three facets to a scene investigation of what were the circumstances surrounding the death; the medical-legal autopsy, and support investigation in clinical or toxicological laboratories.

    And, the Presley case was reportedly conducted along routine lines. When taken to the hospital, there was reportedly suspicion that Presley died of what might loosely be called a heart attack; there were signs of cardiac arrest and cardiovascular blood flow problems. Autopsy specimens were routinely sent to the laboratory, and it was decided to have two toxicology labs do the work-the hospital's and Bio-Science. Dr. Finkle said, "as far as I know" there was no conflict between the two toxicologists, but there was some medical opinion differences as to what quantitative amounts of the drugs might mean relative to Presley's death.

    The physician who conducted the autopsy, Dr. Muirhead, did not respond to a telephone call and letters from The Tribune. Shelby County Medical Examiner Dr. Francisco responded that the autopsy was done at the family request and with family authorization by the pathology staff of Baptist Memorial Hospital. This separated him for authorized toxicology studied and he is unauthorized to release any reports, he said.

    "What he have done," said Dr. Finkle, "is to conduct a routine, complete series of forensic toxicological analyses on specimens and determine quantitatively what drugs were present in the victim and in what breakdown and we were asked what this means: is it germane to his death, did he die of drugs or didn't he?" said Dr. Finkle.

    Presley's illnesses included hypertension, some cardiovascular compromise and a colon obstruction. He fought a losing battle with a weight problem for several years.

    "As a toxicologist, if you ask me why he had the drugs (in his system), the answer is that he needed them medically. All the drugs were in a range consistent with therapy and therapeutic requirements for known conditions of illnesses which he had," Dr. Finkle said.

  3. #143
    KPM, I'm glad you posted this article. I've read it at different sites on the internet several times........but nobody believes it. I want to - badly.

    Diane

  4. #144
    I've ran accross it several times also. I can not vouch for its authenticity but the toxicologist quoted is for real. I found this when I searched his name, it is a report to a congressional committee about steroid and substance abuse:
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    Dr. Bryan S. Finkle, Chief Forensic Toxicologist for the NFL?s Policies on Steroids and Substances of Abuse
    I am pleased to have been asked to participate in today?s hearing before the Government Reform Committee. I applaud the Committee?s interest in the NFL?s steroid testing program and its impact on young people.
    By way of background, for more than 40 years I have been a forensic toxicologist with continuing experience in the toxicology of substance abuse and at least 20 years in sports (anti-doping) toxicology. My association with the NFL?s steroid policy dates to its inception. Currently I serve as Chief Forensic Toxicologist for the NFL?s steroids and substances of abuse programs, for which I have been jointly selected and approved by the League and NFL Players Association. I am responsible for all technical aspects of the programs including oversight of the laboratory performance, quality control and interpretation of test results. .......... Analysis not only can accurately identify drugs that are being used, but acts as a deterrent Dr. Bryan Finkle Page.... 1 5/12/2005
    So this is a real person who is a toxicologist.

  5. #145
    There's so many mistakes and medications that are mixed together that when combined, it takes a toll on our body without us knowing about it. I know that first hand. There's been so much said over the years and so much written that of course we will never know the truth but no way do I think Elvis took his own life. Heart problems yes, medications yes for ailing problems but when God wants us, he'll take us any time, night or day.
    "We're lost in a cloud, with too much rain ~ We're trapped in a world, That's troubled with pain.....But as long as a man has the strength to dream.... He can redeem his soul and fly"

  6. #146
    As a side note to this thread, the autopsy is is available in 20 years, do you think that the Family will pay to have it closed when this period expires? Can this still be done. Has enough time passed by and common knowledge of the prescribed drugs that any move to cover the results would not be worth while?

    I'm still amazed that there is so much fuss over this subject now and 30 years have passed!

  7. #147
    Not to get off subject but it really doesn't surprise me. The JFK assasination has a over thousand books written about it- each start at the same point then come to totally different conclusions-the Mafia did it, Castro did it, Russians, LBJ, big business, the Chinese, Oswald and Ruby worked together,.... I mean it just goes on and on. All are suppose to be documented and researched to the hilt. The simplest details are disputed and the biggest details are dissected. One doctor present says JFK was alive when brought in and that he left alive with the secret service on a stretcher (taking him with threat of force) It is never ending and as time goes on it will only get worse.
    The same with Elvis's death. IMO in cases like this it will always be a situation of constant questions and little definitive answers. What is obvious to some isn't always to others, and even when the autopsy findings are made public if all the doctors and 3 labs involved did not come to the same conclusions it will still leave questions. It will never be resolved totally. IMO
    Its a shame Elvis's death at times overshadows the accomplishments of his life.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by KPM View Post
    Its a shame Elvis's death at times overshadows the accomplishments of his life.
    I certainly think that this is because people still wish Elvis to be alive! EPE and others well placed have created this scenario by gagging the autopsy report and everyone else being tight lipped so to speak. "Elvis by the Presley's" was a turning point for me in that Priscilla has clearly made a definitive decision to be open about Elvis' prescribed drug problem and also was candid during many t.v. appearances around that time. However the speculation will abound until the autopsy is released into the public domain. Then that will be scrutinised and holes found in that

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpsuit Junkie View Post
    I certainly think that this is because people still wish Elvis to be alive! EPE and others well placed have created this scenario by gagging the autopsy report and everyone else being tight lipped so to speak. "Elvis by the Presley's" was a turning point for me in that Priscilla has clearly made a definitive decision to be open about Elvis' prescribed drug problem and also was candid during many t.v. appearances around that time. However the speculation will abound until the autopsy is released into the public domain. Then that will be scrutinised and holes found in that
    You are so right, if the autopsy had been released quickly there would be nothing to debate. But as you say when it is released any disagreement -among the labs and doctors who worked on it- will lead to more debate.(When the hundreds of pages long Warren Report on the Kennedy assasination was finally released after years of investigation, it did have enough holes in it to spawn a whole new crop of books on the subject)
    I think Priscilla's book made it clear (but did not feel the need to go into huge detail) that Elvis was overusing the prescribed drugs. I recall her description of her trying to seduce Elvis and the drugs hit and he was out cold.
    I have never figured out the "Elvis might still be alive" crowd. I mean hes gone-wish he wasn't but he is.

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    Overdosed? Yes. Intentional? No. Not with Lisa in the house and where he was found. I do believe that he knew he was not long for this world and was resigned to that fact. But he was not in a hurry to go. He loved life too much.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpsuit Junkie View Post
    I certainly think that this is because people still wish Elvis to be alive! EPE and others well placed have created this scenario by gagging the autopsy report and everyone else being tight lipped so to speak. "Elvis by the Presley's" was a turning point for me in that Priscilla has clearly made a definitive decision to be open about Elvis' prescribed drug problem and also was candid during many t.v. appearances around that time. However the speculation will abound until the autopsy is released into the public domain. Then that will be scrutinised and holes found in that
    The highlighted part is relevant to the "Coffin Pic Exposed Thread"!! when will people accept the truth and move on?

  12. #152
    Never, too many people like to make everything as complicated as they can even when the obvious is right in front of their eyes.

    Diane

  13. #153
    The questions will always exist because there are too many different stories out here.IMO, it has nothing to do with him being alive. Only that the truth be told so people can stop lying and he can RIP.
    That's what truth does.
    "I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."

  14. #154
    He could have very well overdosed - but not by his own hands....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyInsane View Post
    He could have very well overdosed - but not by his own hands....
    I think you're right, Gail...as well as an earlier post by someone in this thread. Elvis knew the PDR like the back of his hand and he knew what medicines/drugs he could mix with each other.

    I, personally, do not believe that Elvis intentionally overdosed on that horrible day in August, 1977. Something else happened in that bathroom that we'll never know the truth about until the autopsy report is released to the public.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyInsane View Post
    He could have very well overdosed - but not by his own hands....


    Well, that's what Vernon thought, I guess.
    "I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Trout View Post
    I think you're right, Gail...as well as an earlier post by someone in this thread. Elvis knew the PDR like the back of his hand and he knew what medicines/drugs he could mix with each other.

    I, personally, do not believe that Elvis intentionally overdosed on that horrible day in August, 1977. Something else happened in that bathroom that we'll never know the truth about until the autopsy report is released to the public.

    I think you're right Tony we won't know the truth. Can LMP stop the autopsy report being released to the public?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_burrows View Post
    I think you're right Tony we won't know the truth. Can LMP stop the autopsy report being released to the public?

    I hate to say it but I have a feeling that EPE/Priscilla/LMP will do whatever they can to stop the autopsy report from being made public. Just because Vernon requested it stay closed for 50 years doesn't mean it has to.

    That's my opinion, at least.

  19. #159
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    I'm reading the Memphis Mafia Revelations book (Alanna Nash), and it sounds like Lamar, Billy, and Marty had "tried" to get Elvis to stop destroying his health. That is admirable, but at the same time, I feel like they valued their job, money, gifts, etc., too much to really push for Elvis to get some professional help. In fact, they enabled Elvis, and took part in rationalizing.
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    When ever someone says this it makes me go ..Huh....where is the logic? You don't want your gravy train dead. You want it to live so you can keep living the good life.

  20. #160
    I'd like to quote Henri Poincaré:

    “To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.”

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