DID ALOHA RAISE $75,000 or $150,000?

[JRtherealJR]

You posted the screen grab that showed both claims were presented, so how can you say they weren't?

The person who amended the Wiki page did not present both claims equally. He gave only a very brief mention to the 1 Billion figure and he did not show the evidence as to how that figure was reached- he actually DELETED these parts from the page!

He then went on to talk about his own theory in great detail AND he presented his own "evidence" to back up this theory.

He deleted the parts from the Wikipedia page which supported the 1 Billion viewership figure and that is clearly a rather mean-spirited attack on Elvis & his legacy.

[T_J]

The person who amended the Wiki page did not present both claims equally. He gave only a very brief mention to the 1 Billion figure and he did not show the evidence as to how that figure was reached- he actually DELETED these parts from the page!

He then went on to talk about his own theory in great detail AND he presented his own "evidence" to back up this theory.

He deleted the parts from the Wikipedia page which supported the 1 Billion viewership figure and that is clearly a rather mean-spirited attack on Elvis & his legacy.

I know you love Elvis, as do I, and I know you are coming from a good place in defending him. All power to you for that. I don't think those changes would have been an attack on Elvis though or in the least bit mean-spirited. Maybe that's because I don't think it really matters that 1 billion didn't tune in for the broadcast. More important to Elvis' legacy is that the facts of his career are correctly presented and preserved. And the most significant facts about Aloha are that it was an innovative and groundbreaking project that was pulled off in 1973 and is still popular among fans nearly 40 years on.

To be clear, the 1-1.5 billion figure that was originally predicted by Colonel Parker (and subsequently often spoken of as the live broadcast audience) was derived by adding together the populations of all countries that carried the broadcast in 1973, including the delayed broadcasts in Europe and the US. That would actually get us to about 1.3 billion if every single person - man, woman and child - had tuned in. Clearly that's impossible, eg in the US, approximately one-third of tv sets were tuned in. We'll never know the exact viewing figure for all broadcasts in 1973, let alone the live broadcast figure, but 1 billion or more isn't feasible. Several hundred million was still impressive though, particularly for 1973 when the world's population was half what it is now.

[Tony Trout]

Yes thank you...that was my point-because of time zone differences there was no way to show it all on the same day-and NBC wanted a spring showing in the US to get the largest audience they could.
But if they had decided to show it in the US on the night it happened most fans would not have let the late night showing keep them from watching it ...but it probablycwould have kept casual fans or others from tuning in and NBC wanted everyone.

I agree totally. This show was NOT shown to 1.5 BILLION total people on January 14, 1973.

I know you love Elvis, as do I, and I know you are coming from a good place in defending him. All power to you for that. I don't think those changes would have been an attack on Elvis though or in the least bit mean-spirited. Maybe that's because I don't think it really matters that 1 billion didn't tune in for the broadcast. More important to Elvis' legacy is that the facts of his career are correctly presented and preserved. And the most significant facts about Aloha are that it was an innovative and groundbreaking project that was pulled off in 1973 and is still popular among fans nearly 40 years on.

To be clear, the 1-1.5 billion figure that was originally predicted by Colonel Parker (and subsequently often spoken of as the live broadcast audience) was derived by adding together the populations of all countries that carried the broadcast in 1973, including the delayed broadcasts in Europe and the US. That would actually get us to about 1.3 billion if every single person - man, woman and child - had tuned in. Clearly that's impossible, eg in the US, approximately one-third of tv sets were tuned in. We'll never know the exact viewing figure for all broadcasts in 1973, let alone the live broadcast figure, but 1 billion or more isn't feasible. Several hundred million was still impressive though, particularly for 1973 when the world's population was half what it is now.

Also, here's what a former (I'm guessing?) TCB-World Australian poster named Getlo came up with as far as viewing figures for both the U.S. and the outside countries:

From "Getlo" (I miss him around here! Where IS he?)


The concert wasn't shown world-wide. Here are the correct figures:

The original telecast of Aloha was not watched by 1.5 billion people. Not even close to that figure.

It went out live to Hawaii and Asia, and two cities only here in Australia. And a few other countries.

It was beamed to Europe one day later, so viewers there cannot be included in the original total of viewers who saw it live.

The total amount of viewers who watched Aloha only ... and I repeat only ... comes near 1.5 billion when you add the viewers who watched in Europe one day later, and those in the US who saw it the following April.

I cannot say this any clearer.

More people watched the moon landing live in 1969 than Aloha live in 1973.

The moon landing was a one-off live event, with no significant edited versions months later, or a repeat one day later.

More people ... eventually ... watched Aloha than the moon landing - it just took a while. But that was not the case on January 14, 1973. Talk like this only serves to keep the myth going. It would be a lovely thing for Elvis to be remembered by, but it simply is not true.

I can't speak for other countries, but the Australian viewing total for Aloha has been exaggerated over the years as well. Something like 60% of TVs here were tuned into the telecast. Now, as I said, only two cities (Sydney and Melbourne) took the show live, the other cities dipped out. So it wasn't 60% of Aussie viewers tuning in at all ... only 60% of TVs in those two cities. Perhaps other countries' totals have been exaggerated over the years as well; I don't know.



There ya go, folks......

[debtdbruno]

I agree totally. This show was NOT shown to 1.5 BILLION total people on January 14, 1973.


[I][B]


Also, here's what a former (I'm guessing?) TCB-World Australian poster named Getlo came up with as far as viewing figures for both the U.S. and the outside countries:

From "Getlo" (I miss him around here! Where IS he?)


The concert wasn't shown world-wide. Here are the correct figures:

The original telecast of Aloha was not watched by 1.5 billion people. Not even close to that figure.

It went out live to Hawaii and Asia, and two cities only here in Australia. And a few other countries.

It was beamed to Europe one day later, so viewers there cannot be included in the original total of viewers who saw it live.

The total amount of viewers who watched Aloha only ... and I repeat only ... comes near 1.5 billion when you add the viewers who watched in Europe one day later, and those in the US who saw it the following April.

I cannot say this any clearer.

More people watched the moon landing live in 1969 than Aloha live in 1973.

The moon landing was a one-off live event, with no significant edited versions months later, or a repeat one day later.

More people ... eventually ... watched Aloha than the moon landing - it just took a while. But that was not the case on January 14, 1973. Talk like this only serves to keep the myth going. It would be a lovely thing for Elvis to be remembered by, but it simply is not true.

I can't speak for other countries, but the Australian viewing total for Aloha has been exaggerated over the years as well. Something like 60% of TVs here were tuned into the telecast. Now, as I said, only two cities (Sydney and Melbourne) took the show live, the other cities dipped out. So it wasn't 60% of Aussie viewers tuning in at all ... only 60% of TVs in those two cities. Perhaps other countries' totals have been exaggerated over the years as well; I don't know.



There ya go, folks......

I've often wondered what happened to Getlo, he was an astute guy

[KPM]

I would add to this thread the following, I totally believe that if "magically" the entire world could have had the same time zone during the Aloha live event-that a billion would have been easy...but even Elvis had to bow to the revolutions of the earth and the suns setting and rising.

[Snake Eyes]

I had this very same argument with the old man who could not accept a viewing figure of 1.5 billion, I lost that argument .

[T_J]

I would add to this thread the following, I totally believe that if "magically" the entire world could have had the same time zone during the Aloha live event-that a billion would have been easy...but even Elvis had to bow to the revolutions of the earth and the suns setting and rising.

It's not just about time zones. Most countries didn't receive it as a delayed broadcast either. 38 countries did, which is impressive, but that leaves more than 100 that didn't. To get to the billion viewers, you would need more countries taking the broadcast.