I have never liked prejudice in any form but it still lies hidden (and not so hidden) in our world.
I also see things a little different from most I guess-Priscilla, Lisa, EPE, even some of the MM are in "no win situations"
no matter what they do it will be wrong to certain individuals.....and that is totally unfair, totally not acceptable to me. (not just for here but in any area of life)
Take for example Lisa and her "In the Ghetto" duet with Elvis.......she had shied away from doing this or any of his songs and many fans criticized her for "not wanting to do something with her father or by her father"...yet many of the same fans then turned and criticized her for doing the duet and they made claims it was to boost her tour, career, new music etc........how can she ever be treated objectively with reasoning such as that?
Some claim I protect Lisa, EPE, Priscilla etc in my posts-not true...........I show the other side with I hope some objectivity.
But nothing and no one is perfect and that includes the above.....but they are also not out and out villains in every situation.
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As for Lisa, it's only normal that many or some fans of her father doesn't like her. What she does has nothing to do with what Elvis did, so her style and also her voice it's not something they enjoy.
"I guess-Priscilla, Lisa, EPE, even some of the MM are in "no win situations no matter what they do it will be wrong to certain individuals".....
Of course not all people have "bias" attached to their opinion but IMO a large portion of people do when it comes to these individuals.....who decided long ago their opinions on these people based upon huge emotional love and respect for Elvis IE he is the good guy and that automatically makes anyone who has seemingly wronged Elvis or his memory-the bad guys.......to certain individuals.....no amount of logic, reasoning nor common sense approach will ever change their opinion....so for that group of certain individuals-it is indeed a no win scenario.
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In my case, the only "loyalty" I feel is towards Elvis and the rest of them are not important to me. At least not so important as any other individual trying to make a living in the public eye. If what they do I think is good to Elvis' image I defend them. If not, they can get lost for all I care.
The key in all this is I don't care what degree of closeness they had with Elvis and I'm glad not everyone in this world sees others for who they are related to. Lisa is not a good musician in my opinion and Priscilla and a few members of the MM are only opportunistics. If what they do is so good or they are so talented they sure must have their own fans. They shouldn't need us to approve what they do.
Sorry if this sounds too blunt, but after all these years discussing this matters I don't know how else can I word it
lol.........way to go Donut
I'm only 'really' interested in Lisa as she is his Daughter.......but I still don't care for her voice
"NO-ONE, BUT NO-ONE,IS HIS EQUAL, OR EVER WILL BE. HE WAS, AND IS SUPREME".Mick Jagger
I just do not agree-especially about Lisa and her musicianship-her writing "cuts" thru the bull its blunt and creative.
I am not a famous musician but I did have a band, and I do write songs as a hobby....have about 200 now. (maybe 40-50 are commercial and good enough IMO to be recorded by someone) but I see her writing as super good.
Her voice is as good as many others who I have mentioned before so she is not untalented....and the fact that she was accepted by DJs and Producers long ago with no name demos-shows she must have had something. Now will she ever reach the heights of Beyonce or Madonna-NO but she has a talent and I want to see her develope and grow....as her father would want also.
Fan approval.......I am not talking about approval from fans, and once again I am not talking about all fans- I am talking about absolute made up minds before the fact fans who could hear the greatest music ever sung come out of her mouth...and it would fall short of what they want and expect from ELVIS PRESLEYS OFFSPRING.....Some disliked her because of her bluntness and fiery personality when she was younger....why....because they did not like spunk or individuality-no....because that was not the way they expected ELVIS PRESLEYS DAUGHTER to act or talk(if shehad been a son-that would have been seen very differently) that was not fair.
My loyalty and love is for Elvis also, but if Red West makes a good movie and his performance is good...I do not filter that performance thru the idea that he helped write "Elvis What Happened" but many people do...they can not forget that...so they automatically pan his performance and dismiss him.
When Sonny wrote his latest book which was much softer in tone and stressed Elvis's good side much much more-many panned his book before it came out....because he helped write EWH. I think that was unfair.
All these people are human beings and all fall way short of perfect-but so did Elvis........Elvis by all counts was quick to anger-but just as quick to forgive (in his own way)
For a certain group of fans there can be no forgiveness and they will always filter their opinions of this group we are talking about thru the anger they have for past wrongs (or perceived wrongs) toward Elvis. No win. IMO
Last edited by KPM; 09-20-2012 at 03:50 PM.
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My daughter has a friend in high school who use to come to our house and I was watching TTWII SE this girl liked the Righteous Brothers song "You've Lost that Lovin Feeling" so when they wandered thru the living room on the way to the kitchen I stopped them and told this girl to watch as a master sang that song better than the Righteous Brothers and she watched it "unimpressed" I at the end I asked her if that was not better than the original and she replied NO, I have never liked his voice that much!
I was shocked and amazed....how could she not see the talent of Elvis in that performance?
I guess no one pleases everyone...but it amazed me she was so adament about it.
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By the way, I saw Red's name in the cast of a movie called At Any Price with Dennis Quaid and Zack Effron. It looks like he will probably play a grandfather to Zack's character. In reading the story line, I would assume that Red has a lot of lines. The movies I have seen Red act in, he does a really good job.
Love Elvis...The Greatest
And regarding what you say about Elvis' fans not liking her attitude, don't you think that she has her big share of responsability on that? It was Lisa who showed herself that way untill recently. When you have that kind of attitude you are going to get some criticism for sure, regardless of your gender and who you are related to. When you show negativity and contempt that's exactly what you get in return. And to top it all off it seems obvious to me that she did it on purpose just for the sake of shocking people, so it's ridiculous that she now complains for what she herself sought. There comes a point in life when you need to be responsible of your own actions.
"Boy Elvis's son is a wild one, wow he takes no S**t from anyone!" and it would have been a badge of honor-sowing "his" wild oats
But Lisa was not judged that way-you have to admit she was expected by many to be "Elvis's little southern daughter"
I did not like her cocky attitude all the time either-but after some reflection I said to myself-she is just doing what most teens and young adults do-she is saying I do what I want and your rules do not apply....
As far as she brought it on herself-sure she did-but that is who she is-she is independent, high spirited and carries a huge shadow on her shoulder.....I do not think she wanted to shock anyone-I think she wanted to rebel against everyone and everything....just like all normal youth do ...sometimes into their late 20s. Males sow their wild oats, but females are not given that option-they usually get called bit**es who are over the line.
I do not like underlying prejudice and thats what we are talking about-that underlying sometimes hidden inner negative filter toward anyone or thing- and please understand I am not saying that you have this....never implied it-but many many fans and non fans do.
IE Presleys daughter-can't have talent, can't have writing ability, can't accomplish anything... if not for her famous father name-unfair for anyone to be judged solely from a gut wrench knee jerk mentality-but many do just that.
You and I have just been allowed to voice our fairly differing opinions about Lisa and the others, neither of us was not allowed to do so and I think both of us have shown respect to the other...thats what a forum is about differing ideas that are discussed pro and con.
I don't feel thats wrong.
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