Reply With QuoteIts the same person that was on fecc Ken. thats why they are the same.Originally Posted by KPM
You should see what Ger Rijff had to say to them lol/
Funny thing is no one else here I don't recall ever such of a thing.
Just because Ken is having an intellectual conversation with you, and you don't like what he has to say because its reality, and you have all these dreams of turning Graceland into Kings Island or something. Stop with the insults. Please?
"How do I get placed in situations like this? Ah hell, I guess it's all part of showbusiness "~ Elvis in his limo on his way to perform in Omaha, NE on June 19th 1977
Its the same person that was on fecc Ken. thats why they are the same.
You should see what Ger Rijff had to say to them lol/
"How do I get placed in situations like this? Ah hell, I guess it's all part of showbusiness "~ Elvis in his limo on his way to perform in Omaha, NE on June 19th 1977
Yes, I am VivaElvis from FECC. I have already clarified that on here before. I don't think that's an issue.
As for me not liking what Ken has to say, that's not exactly true. He is entitled to his opinion. But, I feel that he comes off negative at times. That's just how I see it. No big deal really. Maybe it's because I'm an optimistic person and try to see the positive and not the negative in things.
King's island? Where did that come from? I don't care what EPE or Apollo does with Graceland. My concern is that they do enough to keep it attractive and appealing and take some pride into it and not let it continue to be a Ghetto Graceland as it's become. Otherwise it won't survive another 3o years. That's just a fact. Not an opinion.
Now, back to the topic. I called my friend tonight and asked him if he's heard anything new about the Disney talks and he said he's heard nothing since we last talked. So, I don't know if that's good or bad.
As for Ger Riff, he's got no room to talk about anyone. That old man is a cocky SOB who only cares about his own 15 minutes of fame. You ought to see how he gets ticked off if someone else gets attention to a thread and his don't. He literally cusses them out for it as if he's God. He's been warned too but goes on doing it. Thankfully he doesn't post here.
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Not with me. Maybe someone else. I wasn't on the internet until about a year ago. I'm just posting what I was told. It's not a secret either that EPE has been driving for an Elvis network. According to a poster on TMMB it was even publicly mentioned by EPE back in 1997 in a Insiders meeting that one was about to happen then. But, it didn't. I think if one does, it won't be announced until it is signed and sealed this time around.
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You see you have to discern information-14 years of discerning a rumor tells me that the probability of this happening is next to none.
That is not pessimistic, it is weighing the plus side and the minus side. As I said in 97 the rumor was somewhere around 2001-02 the network would be up-did not happen, not even a second wave of rumors of talks (until 2011)
You know I could just jump at every rumor and go "WOW thats going to happen and be really great" but that is not me.
I could just disregard the lack of product for an Elvis network and say-it does not matter because I want it to happen-but that is not realistic.
As I said I am not pessimistic-I am a realist.
You misinterpret my being realistic..... for pessimism.
Now the day DISNEY or EPE announces a deal-and explains the format for the alleged Elvis network-then I may say "YES THAT WILL WORK" but that is not what we have here. That is a fair honest way to look at rumors.
And I will point out I have tried to stay respectful in my disagreements with you-no characterazations.
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Now, I have a proposal for you guys regarding EPE, Core Media Group and an Elvis network. I have been following Core Media's development and recently noticed that they are buying up popular television programs like Man vs Food, Doomsday Preppers, The Fabulous Life, Biography and Property Wars among several others. All of which are under Sharp Entertainment which Core now owns also. When CKX bought up EPE, they had very little inventory. Then they added American Idol and So You Think You Can Dance as well as Muhammad Ali's estate and naming rights.
Now you're probably thinking what all that has to do with Elvis or this forum? Well, for starters, this could lead to what EPE has always envisioned as the ultimate accomplishment...an Elvis themed television network. How, you may ask? With CMG buying up all of these television programs and entertainment & production companies, it opens the door for them to have revenue to fund a Elvis channel. They could not have done that prior to the sale to Apollo. There was a limited amount of income form the few properties that they owned then opposed to the much larger portfolio that they have now.
IF an Elvis channel develops out of the new Core company, then it'll have to get rights to/or from a financial partnership agreement with Time-Warner, Parymount Pictures, Twentieth Century Fox and Universal to get permission without annual fees to use Elvis' movies for such a project. I know Ken and I had a back and forth argument on this subject. However, I have done some research on how such a network could work and quite possibly be a success.
Back in the late 1990's EPE wanted to partner with Ted Turner's then-new network called Turner South. It was originally supposed to have been an Elvis-related channel. But it fell through financially. Today, Turner South is a alternative channel for Atlanta Braves baseball. But back then, it was much difficult to create and launch a new network. Not to mention, extremely expensive. Today, it's less expensive and the more inventory and variety that a network can provide, the better the chances are it sustains longevity with the channel. Back then, there were maybe 150 channels on Direct TV. Today, Direct TV has over 300.
Building of a network It all starts with 3 major factors; funding, market/advertising and a long-term plan for the network. Core Media has the funding to make it happen. They have Elvis' legacy, image and popularity to use for marketing and advertising, and they know that Elvis has longevity apart from other entertainers.
Inventory for the network EPE already owns rights to the two Aloha concerts, the 4 different taped performances for the 68 Comeback plus outtakes, the Welcome Home Elvis Timex Special from 1960, and the numerous TV appearances from the 50's stage shows. If they can get rights to use the movie catalog, then that gives them over 300 hours of available programming. There's 168 hours in a 7-day week. Obviously that would not be enough inventory to make it work without showing the same things over and over. But there's much, much more available. Over the past 35 years there have been countless amounts of made-for-tv special and projects that could be used. Dick Clark's ELVIS (1979), This Is Elvis, The Great Performances, The Lost Performances, Elvis In Hollywood, From The Waist Up, Elvis & Me, Elvis CBS mini-series, Elvis ABC mini-series. Elvis & The Beauty Queen, Elvis Meets Nixon, The Echo Will Never Die, etc, etc. That's about 30 extra hours right there. But then there's motion pictures like Heartbreak Hotel, Lonely Street, Honeymoon In Vegas, 3000 Miles From Graceland, Finding Graceland, etc. But it's probably best to not have Elvis-only programming as people would eventually get tired of it. So, pay small fees to air nostalgic movies from Elvis' era from the 50's, 60's and 70's and popular tv shows. That would then make it enough inventory and more appealing to diehard fans, casual fans and non fans but who are fans of those older films and shows. They kill two birds with one stone by going that route.
Funding for a network Core could use revenue from it's other properties to cover the cost of development, running and operating the network. It would cost around $100 million to launch the network. But if it's a commercial-free network, then it's cheaper. They won't have to pay advertising fees for windows of commercials by going as a non-commercial channel.
President and overseer of the network This is a crucial position of a new network. You must make sure that you have the absolute correct people or person in charge of running and managing the network. DO NOT LET EPE BE IN CHARGE as their track record is not good when it comes to them being in control of a major project due to poor management and leadership values. This project would be way over their head to handle on their own. Core's CEO is Marc Graboff, the former CEO and President of the NBC network. He would find the perfect fit to run the network.
Live entertainment and broadcast One thing that would help the network would be to include live entertainment such as Elvis Tribute Artist contests and live broadcasting from Graceland and Tupelo as well as red carpet events for Elvis-related projects.
Network provider and carrier A lot of new channels are going to the cheapest cable company to carry their new network to get it off the ground, then if it's successful they then go to a higher provider both to customers and financially. Core would be smart to go to Direct TV who is always trying to get people to leave cable companies. Make an offer to them to be the only carrier of a new Elvis-themed nostalgic network. This way Core gets the network offered to millions of costumers instead of just regional or small percentage of viewers. The more viewers the better chance the network has to survive in the long run.
So as you can see, there IS enough programming and inventory for an Elvis-themed network to be feasible and successful. If done correctly.
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I haven't heard anything about this and i keep up with these things.
This thread was made two years ago and i still haven't heard anything about this.
That's because it's MY proposal for a network. I was pointing out that one could work and how it could be developed and ran. I have no clue if there will be an Elvis network or not. But I think the chances are higher today than they were back in 1997 when Jack Soden and EPE went public with plans for one.
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Not that i've never heard of EPE ever having any plans with Disney or anyone else for an All Elvis network.
Not in 1997, 2011 or 2013.
Hell if Billionaire Robert Sillerman and EPE couldn't even get an Elvis themed hotel then that's not good news for an all Elvis network.
Networks based around only one person have never happened and wouldn't make sense for a number of reasons.
You didn't read my post. I made it clear that it would be in Core's best interest to NOT make it all-Elvis, as people, would get bored with it and turned off. Make it a nostalgic channel that is about programming from Elvis' era of his favorite movies and television programs. Such as I LOve Lucy, Happy Days, Andy Griffit, to movies like The Pink Panther and James Dean movies. Basically Elvis would be focal point but other programming no necessarily related to him or his image would make up a bulk of the programming.
I never said that Disney was behind an Elvis network. I originally said back then in 2011 that I was informed that a Disney rep was in Memphis haveing dinner with either EPE rep or CKX rep (can't remember which) and that it could have been about a network. But nothing came of it. Back in 1997, it was Ted Turner, not Disney who was in deep talks and negotiations with EPE for an All-Elvis channel aka Turner South.
Sillerman is no longer involved in Elvis or the company. His name should never again be mentioned with either as he's history now. The company that was known as CKX is now ran by a much more stabilized private equity firm. CKX was never that well off to begin with. Plus they did not have the luxury backing that they have now with many multiple television properties to profit income from to support a 24-7 network. When Sillerman was in charge, it was him and nobody else. Now there's a lot of different power players involved.
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I read your post.
I'm telling you i've never heard of anyone ever seriously discussing an Elvis network.
Not Turner, not Disney or anyone else.
My example of Robert Sillerman is that EPE will partner up with people and they have ideas or plans but often times they don't mean anything.
They have a couple channels available in the United States that are somewhat like the one you are describing but they aren't based around Elvis.
Retro and Metv show old television and movies that are rarely played on other stations anymore.
Another thing that I would like to add is that with having their own network it would allow them free advertising for tours of Graceland, especially once they get all the major expansion plans done, which are in the works and should hear something sooner than later. EPE has said they want to double tourism and have mentioned this as recently as this past August. So in order to doing that, they need to give an additional 600,000 extra visitors, aside from the current average of 600,000 a year, to want to go to Memphis and see Graceland. A TV network along with an expansion or upgrade, could go a very long way into doing just that. And if that happens, then EPE/Core double income and revenue from $60 million a year to $120 million a year or more. A TV network wouldn't be to just keep the flame burning, it would be a business investment to use as free marketing and advertisement.
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Are you being serious VivaElvis.
You make it sound like it would be an easy thing and it would be a no brainer business decision for EPE.
Go ask Oprah Winfrey how easy it is to get a network started.
Go ask her how hard and long it takes to turn a profit with one if you can get it started.
A television network would be a financial black hole for EPE.
You make it out like it's going to make EPE millions.
In 1997, while on national TV, the late Todd Morgan made an on-air announcement that they would be launching an ALL ELVIS TV CHANNEL SOON! He said this while they were promoting the very first ever Elvis The Concert event at the Mid South Coliseum in August 1997.
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Yes! I am VERY serious!
Oprah is on a cable network that pays fees for commercials. I made it clear that Core would be smart to go commercial-free and with satellite provider and not a cable company. Less expensive going that route. I am fully aware that turning a profit won't happen overnight nor in the first year. It would be lucky to see it my the second or third quarter of the second year. I never said it would be easy or simple. I just pointed out that Core by owning multiple TV programs aside from Idol, would have revenue coming in to finance it, if they chose to do so.
But you are right about one thing though. A television network would be a black hole....FOR EPE. But not for Core as they are an ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY. They specialize now in entertainment properties and how to expand them and grow financially. There's an old saying. In order to make money you have to spend money. And if Core is to grow then they are going to have to find creative ways to do so.
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It would be a financial black hole for Core as well.
They should just stick to doing what they do best with Elvis.
The oldies networks like AMC, TV Land, Nick At Nite-have been having a real hard time of it-TV Land has been coming up with movies, first run new shows like Hot In Cleveland etc.....AMC use to be no commercials and now thats all you see....plus reruns of old shows late at night and tons of infomercials.....its a tough time to try and come up with some new network.
I have never had much confidence in the idea of an Elvis network-combined with some other music related type shows might help...but this idea is now going on 16 years old.....16 years ago the world economy was in a much better and steadier place-that is not the case today.
When an annoucement for the startup date is made by Core, Disney, or EPE...then we will know its no longer a longshot rumor.
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I like the idea of having other entertainment on an Elvis channel. I do think that is about the only way you would be able to have a successful channel.
I’m a golfer and watch the Golf Channel. When the Golf Channel first came on years ago they only aired a few things and then it would repeat for hours on end. Now fast forward to all these years later and now they have documentaries, golf realities shows, golf news and tournaments. In a few years all the tournaments will be only on the Golf Channel and not your local channels. My point of all of this is it took years for them to get to this point and to be successful. If an Elvis theme channel would exist it would need to have all forms of music entertainment 24 hours a day. You would need to have all of the American Idol type shows, award shows and then have Elvis throughout commercials, concerts and movies of Elvis.
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Interesting. Here's a more likely scenario though if Core does develop a new channel of any kind. I can definitely see them take advantage of their current and future television properties by launching Core TV. A variety of programming. Their inventory is already big enough to make that happen now, or close to it. Below is a list of all of their current television and entertainment assets.
American Idol
So You Think You Can Dance
Elvis: 68 Comeback Special
Elvis: The Alternate Aloha Concert
Elvis: Aloha From Hawaii
Mohammed Ali classic fights
19 Entertainment
Biography
Property Wars
Doomsday Preppers
Man V. Food
Man V. Food Nation
Extreme Couponing
Call Of The Wild Man
Rattlesnake Republic
VH1's The Fabulous Life Of
My Crazy Obsession
Story Notes
Love Lust
Tough Cookies
The Lottery Changed My Life
Bert The Conqueror
Dangerous Rocket Ships
Ask Aida
Extreme
Toy Hunter
Best Sandwich In America
Punkin Chunkin
That's just what they currently own. Most of which has been through the new ownership. They also just launched a new UK based television company and hired a top rated producer to create new reality and entertainment shows.
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Only one tiny problem with all of Viva Elvis' posts in this thread.
It's that Core, Disney, Turner, CXX and EPE were never at anytime in serious talks to have an all Elvis network.
It's clear that Core has no plans to for an all Elvis network.
Speculating for what might be if Core and EPE wanted and could get an All Elvis network up and running is so unnecessary.
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