Sony Show Their True Colours

[lightcloud]

if there was not an elvis, there would be no jackson...

I don't agree, MJ he was heavily influenced by James Brown, Gene Kelly, Jackie Wilson, Diana Ross, Fred Astaire!

[Awickedreigndrop]

FYI, Sony was not the one who put the crown on MJ's head on the album cover. It's a painting done by an artist who's a fan, look it up. Being a fan of both artists this type of stuff really makes me sick and gets under my skin. It just sadden me to see such hatred and ugly attitude toward a man NONE of you knew. You wouldn't like it if people spoke about Elvis like this would you? BTW, MJ LOATHED Sony and protested against them. I'll say this once again, blame Sony's crappy marketing and some Elvis' fans lack of interest in a remix album. Blame the fans of the imitators, who will not last nearly as long as Elvis and MJ, for the lousy album sales. DO NOT blame an artist for Elvis' album not doing well, it's very petty.

Sadly, this post, Lightcloud's, and, Sleepless~Dreamer's will all go on unnoticed because hatred spreads faster than love. Just like my post did before on a thread similar to this one, bashing MJ because of Viva Elvis' poor sales.

[KPM]

Yes MJ was influenced by the people you speak of-but the door which led to universal acceptance by all races for James Brown and Jackie Wilson was opened by Elvis Presley in 1954 with "Thats All Right Mamas" release.
Little Richard many many times stated that Elvis helped open the door which allowed he and other black artists to get acceptance and airplay on stations which before Elvis would not play R&B artists.
So if MJ was influenced by James and Jackie in Gary, Indiana its because he was able to hear their songs on local mainstream radio.
So if there had been no Elvis explosion-it is possible there would have been no MJ. IMO

[JRtherealJR]

Michael Jackson was heavily influenced by Elvis as well as a host of others such as Cooley Jaxson, James Brown, Bob Fosse, Fred Astaire and Jeffrey Daniels.

But it was the phenomenon of Elvis which fascinated Jackson and which he was so desperate to equal.

Those who worked with him confirm that he was obsessed with Elvis' title as the King and wanted it for himself. Elvis' title of course was bestowed upon him by his fans, but it was Michael who proclaimed himself to be the King of Pop, and he even went so far as to fill up his house with portraits of himself wearing crowns and dressed in Kingly attire, as well as buying himself an oversized red throne for his Neverland Ranch.

There are numerous stories where he refused to go onstage unless he was introduced as the King of Pop. One of the main things which he took from Elvis was the importance of having a larger than life public image.

[monk37]

well, without Elvis, there probably would have been a Jackson 5 - but not likely that any mixed or all white audience would have seen them. But their music would have been less disco and more other things. Whether MJ could have broken out from the group is another issue - he wasn't the star of group, he was one of the boys in it

I recently watched the episode of Carol Burnette when the Jackson 5 guested on it. None of the members were given any more attention than any other - except for Carol's gag swoon over the eldest brother.

Without Elvis kicking down the cultural race barrier, the civil rights movement probably would have started later. It would have happened, with a later start and possibly slower advances.

[T_J]

In the US the new Jackson album didn't even went in the top 5 of album sales.

Jackson's latest album debuted at number three on Billboard's album chart. It was beaten by Taylor Swift and Susan Boyle.

[Cliff]

FYI, Sony was not the one who put the crown on MJ's head on the album cover. It's a painting done by an artist who's a fan, look it up. Being a fan of both artists this type of stuff really makes me sick and gets under my skin. It just sadden me to see such hatred and ugly attitude toward a man NONE of you knew. You wouldn't like it if people spoke about Elvis like this would you? BTW, MJ LOATHED Sony and protested against them. I'll say this once again, blame Sony's crappy marketing and some Elvis' fans lack of interest in a remix album. Blame the fans of the imitators, who will not last nearly as long as Elvis and MJ, for the lousy album sales. DO NOT blame an artist for Elvis' album not doing well, it's very petty.

Sadly, this post, Lightcloud's, and, Sleepless~Dreamer's will all go on unnoticed because hatred spreads faster than love. Just like my post did before on a thread similar to this one, bashing MJ because of Viva Elvis' poor sales.

You said it Toya, and I agree with every word. I've been saying all along since MJ's untimely death, people get defensive when anyone says a bad word about Elvis. But these very same people don't mind putting down other artists. They all have tunnel vision.
Let's not forget who influenced Elvis.

[Brian Quinn]

I will certainly raise this issue with SONY in the New Year and see if we can stop this Jackson 'King' nonsense once and for all. On virtually any criteria you care to name Elvis beats Jackson hands down whether it be dollar gross from films, dollar gross and sales from records and personal appearances, most photographed, better looking, most influential artist, most No.1 albums or singles, most records released, most impersonated, most books produced and historically far more important. Elvis sang in virtually every musical genre available to him whereas Jackson sang in only a few. Elvis was also very humble with it. I could go on.

Elvis was the 'WHOLE' package, Jackson was NOT.

Brian

[molokai123]

i couldnt agree with you more!!! great post!

I don't care what a stupid music company such as sony has to say...

Elvis Presley was an amazing entertainer FACT.

Michael Jackson was an amazing Entertainer FACT.

Why do people have to make it a competition as to who is the greatest who's sold the most albums who has the most money blah blah blah..
As long as the fans are still remembering there idol ...whether its Elvis, MJ, Freddie Mercury, Frank Sinatra... everyone has there own taste in music..

I could put a crown on my head and call myself the Queen of Scotland it wouldn't make any b***** difference. lol

[vivaelvis]

In the US the new Jackson album didn't even went in the top 5 of album sales. Guess that says it all. Nobody can't compare with Elvis' album sales. There is NO proof at all that Wacko is the greatest of all time. No album sales, no merchandise sales, no nothing. Jackson was a legend in his own time, but thats about it. Nobody cares for him in about 5-10 years, believe me. Elvis is forever, and still sells very well, even after 30+ years after his passing.
3 weeks ago i went to Viva Elvis. Almost sold out, and with lots and lots of 20-30 years old fans. Thats the future!

I agree. MJ hurt himself and his legacy by being a freak show and a wierdo. His importance as an artist is no different than that of Lennon or McCartney. Elvis on the other hand is in a category all by himself. Jackson never influenced country music or Rock or Gospel or blues. Elvis did and he even had a big influence on Jackson himself and other black artists over the years. MJ's biggest claim to fame is pop music and dance. That's his boundaries. Elvis has no boundaries.

[vivaelvis]

I will certainly raise this issue with SONY in the New Year and see if we can stop this Jackson 'King' nonsense once and for all. On virtually any criteria you care to name Elvis beats Jackson hands down whether it be dollar gross from films, dollar gross and sales from records and personal appearances, most photographed, better looking, most influential artist, most No.1 albums or singles, most records released, most impersonated, most books produced and historically far more important. Elvis sang in virtually every musical genre available to him whereas Jackson sang in only a few. Elvis was also very humble with it. I could go on.

Elvis was the 'WHOLE' package, Jackson was NOT.

Brian

While I agree with you I have to admit that This Is It set box office records for first week revenue. It's probably made more money today than all of Elvis' movies put together. But, that's all due in part to him dying and them trying to cash in quickly before his fire burns out.

[Brian Quinn]

While I agree with you I have to admit that This Is It set box office records for first week revenue. It's probably made more money today than all of Elvis' movies put together. But, that's all due in part to him dying and them trying to cash in quickly before his fire burns out.

When one talks of Box Office Revenue one has to take into account the passage of time and the value of the dollar. Actually on another website a fan has worked out that 'This Is Elvis' has outsold 'This Is It' by a considerable margin.

The same is now being touted for the film 'Avatar' as being the most successful film of all-time. Again, it is not. There are many factors to be taken into consideration other than 'current' dollar gross. I suspect 'Gone With The Wind' is still No.1 by far.

Brian

[TCE]

I 'll never understand what folks see in MJ. The MJ-fans just don't understand that it takes more then just grabing his thingy and shouting "EHH" or "AHH". For crying out loud: He even had a vocal coach and a dance instructor! If he was that great he wouldn't have needed them and I think his voice wasn't special at all. It shows who really is the greatest: Elvis did it all with his talent. His voice his moves. He even looked 1000 times better then MJ.


Christel (tce)

[Brian Quinn]

From this week's 'Billboard' Magazine:

The arrival of "Michael" (Michael Jackson) spurs a 65-39 jump on the Billboard Hot 100 for the set's first radio single "Hold My Hand," with Akon. The song is Jackson's 38th top 40 hit on the Hot 100, breaking a tie with Neil Diamond. Among male artists, Jackson trails only Elvis Presley (80), Elton John (57), Stevie Wonder (46), James Brown (44), Marvin Gaye (41), Lil Wayne (41; see below) and Frankie Valli (39) for most top 40 charted titles among solo males.

Brian

[lightcloud]

I will certainly raise this issue with SONY in the New Year and see if we can stop this Jackson 'King' nonsense once and for all. On virtually any criteria you care to name Elvis beats Jackson hands down whether it be dollar gross from films, dollar gross and sales from records and personal appearances, most photographed, better looking, most influential artist, most No.1 albums or singles, most records released, most impersonated, most books produced and historically far more important. Elvis sang in virtually every musical genre available to him whereas Jackson sang in only a few. Elvis was also very humble with it. I could go on.

Elvis was the 'WHOLE' package, Jackson was NOT.

Brian

I can hear that conversation right now "Elvis was the King, Michael was not! HowDARE YOU produce an image with Michael wearing a crown!" The men in white coats are waiting for you.

[lightcloud]

I 'll never understand what folks see in MJ. The MJ-fans just don't understand that it takes more then just grabing his thingy and shouting "EHH" or "AHH". For crying out loud: He even had a vocal coach and a dance instructor! If he was that great he wouldn't have needed them and I think his voice wasn't special at all. It shows who really is the greatest: Elvis did it all with his talent. His voice his moves. He even looked 1000 times better then MJ.


Christel (tce)

This thread is bordering on the ridiculous.

[Awickedreigndrop]

This thread is bordering on the ridiculous.

I couldn't not agree more but like I said, the voices of reason are being overlooked and the hate fest continues. Go on, continue to waste your energy hating a dead man that did nothing wrong to you nor Elvis. Elvis would be VERY disappointed and disgusted in these folks in this thread. I know I sure am. This thread should be renamed "Let's bash and hate Michael Jackson"

[Brian Quinn]

I couldn't not agree more but like I said, the voices of reason are being overlooked and the hate fest continues. Go on, continue to waste your energy hating a dead man that did nothing wrong to you nor Elvis. Elvis would be VERY disappointed and disgusted in these folks in this thread. I know I sure am. This thread should be renamed "Let's bash and hate Michael Jackson"

Jackson was no friend to Elvis.

Brian

[lightcloud]

Not only are they friends they are dancing in heaven together!

[Awickedreigndrop]

Jackson was no friend to Elvis.

Brian

Did I say that they were friends? No. Some folks say they never met. MJ did Elvis no harm nor any harm to you. You're just looking for reasons to hate him. So what they weren't friends, but they also wasn't enemies.