was ELVIS sad and alone at the end

[Erhan]

remember he was with a 20-year-old girlfriend at the time - not too bad for a 42-year-old

Have I told you that we have same taste in music and other things

[May]

What did Ginger have in common with Elvis though ?

[debtdbruno]

Having watched Elvis In Concert you can see Elvis was in poor health, he even commented he could sing but couldn't talk. Elvis was in bad shape whatever spin you want to put on it, he clearly struggled with weight and he was bothered about his appearance. It's obvious from those concert films to see Elvis was medicated. 'Elvis What Happened' was playing on his mind, Ginger wasn't the support Elvis needed (not her fault) the guys had run out of ways to try in their way to help. Elvis became reclusive and insular, Isolating himself away from those who wanted some part of him be it his fame or his money.

When you look at the bigger picture Elvis was at an all time low, having Lisa around was a joy for Elvis and he loved her dearly, but this wasn't enough to pull Elvis out of the mire. Elvis was stuck in a downward spiral from which he couldn't drag himself out of.

To say Elvis was upbeat about his upcoming concert is a spin the guys have put out there just TCB'ing. The up coming tour would have been like any other in 1977, there's talk of new set list etc but surely Elvis would have done this sooner if it was going to happen.

Unfortunately Elvis did die sad and lonely, worried about what his future held for him, that's what makes his life such a tragedy!

Elvis isn't unique in that fame Isolates and consumes their lives and they have to use methods to control it i.e. drugs or other methods to better understand the turmoil they find themselves in.

Life can be an overwhelming experience without the pressures of fame, living in a fish bowl. God bless you Elvis, had you been around a decade later there would have been other support processes to help you.

[debtdbruno]

It's that time alone that some say cost his life! People have postulated that if Elvis had been with Linda he would still have survived August 16th. I don't doubt that Elvis had good days, however, I commented on the question posed for the thread and the history behind it.



As I commented above, alone time isn't always good either. What Elvis needed was for someone to grab him by the scruff of his neck around 1974 and show him where his life was headed. The guys knew, Linda knew, Priscilla knew & Dr. Nick should of known that when you are an addict when those around you see what happens, they tell you. They try interventions, when they fail those around you are ostracised, the dependant spends time alone continuing down a self destructive path!

Elvis was a strong character, his strong personality had gotten him to the heights no others had reached. The negative effect was he couldn't be stopped by those around him from continuing down a path that wasn't good for him. If you factor in the Colonel and his work ethic it's a recipe for disaster.

In modern time you have therapists, doctors who are not bought off, you have a management TEAM who cater for you, most important of all you have seen the effects of those before you that will give you a road map of tragedy.

.....Even then we still see celebrity meltdowns, the life of a celebrity, especially of Elvis' calibre is NOT easy, I'm not saying I could have managed any better, in fact I know I couldn't.

That's my frustrations...........I wanted to do that. Try to make him listen.........why on earth couldn't anyone get through to him

[debtdbruno]

What did Ginger have in common with Elvis though ?

Absolutely nothing..................

[Unchained Melody]

remember he was with a 20-year-old girlfriend at the time - not too bad for a 42-year-old

Yes but its not good when you think about, how could a 42 year old Elvis Aaron Presley relate to a 20 year old girl. He had done it all, parties, cars, everything ! She had all that to go through still and I don't think Elvis would've wanted to go back to all that again. In the end she was good for him at first, then not so much at all. She hated touring with him, she always wanted to stay home with her family, and he always wanted her to be with him when he went on tour. That really got his spirits down.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

remember he was with a 20-year-old girlfriend at the time - not too bad for a 42-year-old

I'm sure that might appeal on a superficial level, however, Elvis was quite philosophical, I'm not sure Ginger was capable of providing Elvis with the life knowledge of someone of his own age?

[sasha]

I'm sure that might appeal on a superficial level, however, Elvis was quite philosophical, I'm not sure Ginger was capable of providing Elvis with the life knowledge of someone of his own age?

Must agree with you on this one.
A "new romance'" in the beginning is always exciting & takes ones mind off of other things. IMO, they had nothing in common & eventually it would have ended. Not that she was bad; only that their life experiences were different.
She still had a lot of living to do before she could even begin to consider some of his experiences & his way of thinking/believing.

[Jungleroom76]

I'm sure that might appeal on a superficial level, however, Elvis was quite philosophical, I'm not sure Ginger was capable of providing Elvis with the life knowledge of someone of his own age?

Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

TCB!
Mike

[debtdbruno]

Wasn't he once quoted as saying......'what would I do with a 40 year old'?
Wasn't he also non-sexually active by the time Ginger came on the scene anyway?

He wanted to maintain the sex symbol image,, but he would have been better with a proper woman who he could relate to, and maybe someone who could have given him 'what for' occasionally,instead of him having his own way all the time..........

[ph10579]

Wasn't Ginger one of the reasons why elvis didn't record in Jan 77'?

[Jungleroom76]

Wasn't Ginger one of the reasons why elvis didn't record in Jan 77'?

She was the "unofficial" reason why Elvis didn't record in January '77. Elvis made it as far as the hotel in Nashville for the January session, but never left the hotel and wound up flying back to Memphis. The "official" reason given was that Elvis was not feeling well. But many people have said that the real reason was because Ginger refused to accompany him on the trip to Nashville.

TCB!
Mike

[Erhan]

Wasn't Ginger one of the reasons why elvis didn't record in Jan 77'?

Problem was Elvis not Ginger...
it's nice to prove everyone that I can do it with 20's years old girl; that cames from man ego and one kind of cover up for his age.

[May]

Makes you wonder. If Ginger was so against going places with Elvis, touring etc, and wanting to stay with her family - why she was even with him in the first place.

[Gracelandep]

I would like to think that at the time of his death he at least had the happiness of having his daughter once again under the same roof as him,and from all the things that I've watched or read, I believe that she was his shining light, his pride & joy and for that reason I think that he would have been in good spirits at least for that moment


I am also grateful for the fact that he died in the home he loved so much and that it didn't happen in some lonely hotel while touring, I think that that would have been so much more tragic !!

[debtdbruno]

The cover up wouldn't have been so efficient if he'd been on tour...........Imagine if it had happened in a public place............

Lisa may have been his pride and joy..............but!!!, he should have thought about being around for her longer............

[Gracelandep]

............maybe he did think about that but maybe by then he just wasn't strong enough anymore.

I wish so much that he could have found the strength and the will to turn he's life around and to still have him with us today..........but all my wishing can't change what did happen, because if it could he'd still be here

[beckelvis]

I think he was human, and he had his days of feelin' the blues.

I refuse to believe that every second of everyday of his life, even in 1976 - 1977 he was a total despressed person all the time. I don't.

agree with you

[Jungleroom76]

The cover up wouldn't have been so efficient if he'd been on tour...........Imagine if it had happened in a public place............

DEFINITELY a good point Deb!!!

It would have been nothing short of a nightmare if Elvis had passed away out on the road...

TCB!
Mike

[Junebug]

I'm not sure........

IMO, I think he definitely was yearning and searching for a different way, looking for answers to get out of this rut....Perhaps even reflective of his life and where some of his choices may have led him......

And I agree, quiet time away from masses of people can do wonders for recharging and finding direction.....

I can see lonely - being around people you have no real emotional connection with and wanting so desperately to find that again.

And I'd like to believe he did not feel alone - that he knew in his heart his God was still there for him.