14 and pregnant

[EnigmaticSun]

May be, maybe not. He wasn't fond of intercourse per-se was he???

I do think Elvis' sexual escapades are being hugely exaggerated. Yes he dated a lot of women, but he usually just needed some company and intimacy.

[Pacerstar]

I do think Elvis' sexual escapades are being hugely exaggerated. Yes he dated a lot of women, but he usually just needed some company and intimacy.

I agree with you.

[Diane]

I do think Elvis' sexual escapades are being hugely exaggerated. Yes he dated a lot of women, but he usually just needed some company and intimacy.

I agree too

Diane

[Brian]

Imo, this is a moot topic. It obviously didn't happen that way; so why speculate?

sometimes it's fun to talk about hypothetical things.

[debtdbruno]

I do think Elvis' sexual escapades are being hugely exaggerated. Yes he dated a lot of women, but he usually just needed some company and intimacy.

I agree with you also.
I was just saying maybe he wasn't in the 'high' risk catagory for getting someone pregnant if he didn't do the full act most of the time.

Thereagain, maybe this is also another exaggeration!!!!!

[john carpenter]

I read Elvis like what all men like..if you get my drift?

[EnigmaticSun]

what all men like..

Thank you guys for rewarding that comment of mine.. but what do you mean john carpenter?

[Diane]

Thank you guys for rewarding that comment of mine.. but what do you mean john carpenter?

I was afraid to ask Maybe David should pm you?

Diane

[Pacerstar]

sometimes it's fun to talk about hypothetical things.

If it can do no harm, I have no objection to fun.

[KPM]

I meant after John Lennon made those comments he apologized and then it stopped.
To me all the burnings of the records and radio stations refusing to play the Beatles because of the comments made by Lennon were an overreaction but that's another discussion for another day.
Elvis wouldn't of been able to just apologize like Lennon and then be forgiven.
Even if Elvis would've married Priscilla I think it still would've been a huge scandal comparable to Jerry Lee Lewis situation.
If Elvis didn't marry her it would've been much much worse than that.

And.....as I pointed out.....it did not end JLL nor his career-today he is as big as he ever was in England (where the controversy began) and is a living legend.
I just do not think Elvis would have lost his career. I would not have stopped buying his records nor seeing his movies if this came to light-and I would think 95% of his fans would also not have quit. Most people who would have had a huge problem with this -never liked him to start with-and were the people who called him "the devils tool"

[Brian]

And.....as I pointed out.....it did not end JLL nor his career-today he is as big as he ever was in England (where the controversy began) and is a living legend.
I just do not think Elvis would have lost his career. I would not have stopped buying his records nor seeing his movies if this came to light-and I would think 95% of his fans would also not have quit. Most people who would have had a huge problem with this -never liked him to start with-and were the people who called him "the devils tool"

You have to remember Jerry Lee Lewis' career was never the same after that even though he was able to make a comeback.

He had 3 top 10 records and all of them were million sellers then when the scandal became public he was banned from the radio in the U.S. for quite a while
He had no more big hits on the pop charts and he was making far less on public appearances after the scandal.
He began making country music albums in the mid 60's and finally broke through and began receiving substantial airplay on the country charts in the late 60's that's when he made a comeback on the country charts with ''She even woke me up to say goodbye'' and ''Another place, Another time''


if the scandal had not occured I think he would've continued to have a few more big hits on the pop charts and continued receiving radio play until 1960 or 1961.
Then his career would've died out anyway just like Fat's Domino and the other 50's rockers.

Even if the same things happened to Elvis that happened to Jerry Lee it would've had a devastating effect on his career.

[KPM]

You have to remember Jerry Lee Lewis' career was never the same after that even though he was able to make a comeback.

He had 3 top 10 records and all of them were million sellers then when the scandal became public he was banned from the radio in the U.S. for quite a while
He had no more big hits on the pop charts and he was making far less on public appearances after the scandal.
He began making country music albums in the mid 60's and finally broke through and began receiving substantial airplay on the country charts in the late 60's that's when he made a comeback on the country charts with ''She even woke me up to say goodbye'' and ''Another place, Another time''


if the scandal had not occured I think he would've continued to have a few more big hits on the pop charts and continued receiving radio play until 1960 or 1961.
Then his career would've died out anyway just like Fat's Domino and the other 50's rockers.

Even if the same things happened to Elvis that happened to Jerry Lee it would've had a devastating effect on his career.

You see where we differ in outlook is I truely see Elvis as a huge step above most other entertainers with the charisma factor-and I think that makes all the difference in how things would have ended up.
I'll point out that because of his hip shaking he was not expected to last 2 years by all those who said they knew the public and the publics reaction to his type of entertaining. That was well over 50 years ago......Jackie Gleason said "Frankly I tell you he can not last"
He was attacked from nearly all the establishment, religious leaders, politicians......he survived. His fans are the most loyal in the world-I see that as a step above most other entertainers and it would have made the difference IMO but its just MO.

[Brian]

You see where we differ in outlook is I truely see Elvis as a huge step above most other entertainers with the charisma factor-and I think that makes all the difference in how things would have ended up.
I'll point out that because of his hip shaking he was not expected to last 2 years by all those who said they knew the public and the publics reaction to his type of entertaining. That was well over 50 years ago......Jackie Gleason said "Frankly I tell you he can not last"
He was attacked from nearly all the establishment, religious leaders, politicians......he survived. His fans are the most loyal in the world-I see that as a step above most other entertainers and it would have made the difference IMO but its just MO.

I understand that

you know what they say the bigger they are the harder they fall.

I think Elvis could've come back from any scandal except a sex scandal
sex scandals always seems to ruin the careers of those involved.

If Elvis had got Priscilla pregnant in Germany and it had gotten out I don't see him having all the success that he had in the early 60's.

[TotallyInsane]

I understand that

you know what they say the bigger they are the harder they fall.

I think Elvis could've come back from any scandal except a sex scandal
sex scandals always seems to ruin the careers of those involved.If Elvis had got Priscilla pregnant in Germany and it had gotten out I don't see him having all the success that he had in the early 60's.

I don't think it hurt Bill Clinton - wasn't he re-elected after his sex scandal?

[Brian]

I don't think it hurt Bill Clinton - wasn't he re-elected after his sex scandal?

No, he was re-elected before

I meant to say sex scandals with people who are underage.

If a grown man is involved in a sex scandal with an underage girl it seems to always ruin their careers

my mistake on that.

[debtdbruno]

Bill Clinton is in the modern era. A sex scandel even for a president commiting adultery is different from underage sex-breaking the law
1960 (ish) was a lot different

[KPM]

I understand that

you know what they say the bigger they are the harder they fall.

I think Elvis could've come back from any scandal except a sex scandal
sex scandals always seems to ruin the careers of those involved.

If Elvis had got Priscilla pregnant in Germany and it had gotten out I don't see him having all the success that he had in the early 60's.

As I said IMO it would have depended on how it was handled-marriage would have been a necessity, and the parents would have to have given their blessings to the whole thing by backing Elvis and Priscilla.
I can not envision Col Parker not using every "snowman tool" and public relations ploy in his book to not keep to keep this as neat and tidy as possible-for all my reservations about Parker I am the first to admit he had a way of handling things like this.
But it is a mute point never happened so its open to debate.

[Brian]

As I said IMO it would have depended on how it was handled-marriage would have been a necessity, and the parents would have to have given their blessings to the whole thing by backing Elvis and Priscilla.
I can not envision Col Parker not using every "snowman tool" and public relations ploy in his book to not keep to keep this as neat and tidy as possible-for all my reservations about Parker I am the first to admit he had a way of handling things like this.
But it is a mute point never happened so its open to debate.

three more possible scenario's to come out of this had it happened.

1. Since Elvis was a teen idol with a good majority of his fanbase being teenagers him getting married in 1960 would possibly turn some teenage girl fans off of him they fantasized about being married to him themselves.
Colonel Parker was always concerned about Elvis getting married early on in his career to Anita Wood because he felt it would hurt his popularity with female fans.
I could definately see this happening if he married Priscilla in 1960.

2. Hal Wallis and Colonel Parker began to build Elvis career in movies around films that were aimed at a family audience something that people of all ages could enjoy mom, dad, teenagers, little kids etc.
Had this whole scandal erupted I don't see Blue Hawaii and Gi Blues being the big box office blockbusters they were.
Elvis was more accepted by the older generation after he got out of the army than when he went in if he was involved in a scandal like that all that would've never happened.

3. If Elvis career was severly damaged by the scandal I see Colonel Parker quitting as Elvis manager and going with another client.

[debtdbruno]

No 3, Brian............the story takes a completely different path.
So the Colonel quits, Elvis marries Cilla, and they have a baby...........would he end up driving a truck again????? Maybe his career would not recover, especially if Tom wasn't 'promoting'????

[Brian]

No 3, Brian............the story takes a completely different path.
So the Colonel quits, Elvis marries Cilla, and they have a baby...........would he end up driving a truck again????? Maybe his career would not recover, especially if Tom wasn't 'promoting'????

For the Colonel to drop Elvis his career would've had to have been beyond repair at least in the short term.
Colonel Parker would then move on to managing someone else and Elvis wouldn't of had a career.