Maybe you should tell them then to throw him out once again?
If he had tried to actively recruit people into it and was successfulOriginally Posted by Pacerstar
Brian, I don't believe that Elvis actively recruited people to Karate. He spoke
about it and used some of it in his shows because he was interested in it
and because he enjoyed it. If Elvis had tried to actively recruit people to
Karate, IMO, he would have been vastly susscessful!
then I would say he deserves to be in the HOF but he didn't.
Maybe you should tell them then to throw him out once again?
Alright Brian, if that makes you happy to adjust your outlook; however, I disagree with your point of view, and how you come to your conclusions.
The reason I'm replying, is that you are running down Elvis, and I think it is unnecessary, since you don't have the facts, nor any surveys to back up your opinion.
What are your references, Brian, to back up your facts?
"I just know it" doesn't do it, I'm sorry.
it's logic and common sense.
Just go ask martial artists if Elvis got them interested in Martial arts.
Not Elvis fans just people who practice it in general the vast majority would say no.
People that weren't Elvis fans heard rock n' roll for the first time because of Elvis and he had tremendous influence on that field.
people that study martial arts that aren't Elvis fans wouldn't even know he was a serious student of Karate.
that's the difference.
it's not my opinion
I not running him down
Just because i'm telling the truth about his influence on karate it's not running down.
I know some fans don't like it if you don't give credit to Elvis and say he was the best and most influential at whatever he did it's running Elvis down.
It's not its just being honest.
Why, if as you said earlier any real karate fan wouldn't have known Elvis was into karate, so there is no point
rightWhy, if as you said earlier any real karate fan wouldn't have known Elvis was into karate, so there is no point
they found out Elvis studied Karate and decided to induct him to try and gain publicity for their HOF.
It worked we wouldn't be discussing the Karate HOF in New York if they hadn't.
The people on the board at the Karate HOF in NY are smart people
Could it be that these guys thought he was actually good enough to be inducted? There is a certain amount of stigma attached to Elvis which isn't always positive. So my point is they must have thought about this but still went ahead!
Your comment about only Elvis fans might have been influenced rings true, however the amount of fans Elvis had and has would influence more people than your average John Doe. There are millions of fans, even if only 1% actually decided to take up karate that would still amount to thousands over 30 plus years...
Lets try and give the King some credit
Lets try and give the King some credit
It's a beautiful afternoon
NopeCould it be that these guys thought he was actually good enough to be inducted? There is a certain amount of stigma attached to Elvis which isn't always positive. So my point is they must have thought about this but still went ahead!
Your comment about only Elvis fans might have been influenced rings true, however the amount of fans Elvis had and has would influence more people than your average John Doe. There are millions of fans, even if only 1% actually decided to take up karate that would still amount to thousands over 30 plus years...
Lets try and give the King some credit
I'm just trying to be fair like I said i'm a realist.
Frank Sinatra did a fight scene in one of my favorite movies The Manchurian candidate from 1962. It wasn't the usual fist fight scene they were both using Karate.
So It's actually fair to say that Sinatra like Elvis was a pioneer in introducing martial arts to people in the movies long before Bruce Lee and others ever did.
So shouldn't Frank Sinatra be inducted as well.
Only if he has influenced as many people as Elvis
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Only if he has influenced as many people as Elvis
I think he has
We need to petition the Karate HOF and make sure Frank isn't overlooked
Here is a link to some actors in Action movies from the 60's, including reference to Frank Sinatra breaking a table.
http://www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com/Articles/deleon/entertainment/pioneers_ma.html
You know, the little six year old kids, some who were Yellow Belts, in my son's class, were breaking boards.
Frank was in a movie, not practicing the Art (so I believe).
I also thought, that one doesn't start learning, until one is a Black Belt? If Frank was a Black Belt, then the fact that he was involved may be of interest.
Was he?
Could it be that these guys thought he was actually good enough to be inducted? There is a certain amount of stigma attached to Elvis which isn't always positive. So my point is they must have thought about this but still went ahead!
Your comment about only Elvis fans might have been influenced rings true, however the amount of fans Elvis had and has would influence more people than your average John Doe. There are millions of fans, even if only 1% actually decided to take up karate that would still amount to thousands over 30 plus years...
Lets try and give the King some credit
?????
NO-come on Brian -Frank Sinatra had actually zilch real knowledge of karate-one fight scene??????
Frank never studied karate-Elvis did.
Frank never mentioned karate as an art in interviews-Elvis did.
Frank never attained any belt (real, honorary, for his celebrity) Elvis did.
Frank never attended karate exhibitions-Elvis did.
Frank did not take karate and judo in the Army-Elvis did.
Frank did not speak to individuals about the martial arts in groups and one on one-Elvis did.
Frank did not speak in public about his love for the art-Elvis did.
Frank Sinatra is one of a kind singer, great actor, and institution but he had one karate fight scene in a film-thats it.
I'm sure that if the "Marial Arts Hall of Fame" based how they induct people into their hall-on one simulated scene in a film-the Hall would have hundreds of actors included.
Their is a logical order to how things like this are decided-very logical- and one simulated fight scene-does not fit that logic.
Do you think you know more about the criteria for inducting people into this Hall of Fame-than the members who do so?
Work in Progress!
Not in music-in the art of karate!
Think hard on this one.
Work in Progress!
Thank you for a little logic-well thought out.Could it be that these guys thought he was actually good enough to be inducted? There is a certain amount of stigma attached to Elvis which isn't always positive. So my point is they must have thought about this but still went ahead!
Your comment about only Elvis fans might have been influenced rings true, however the amount of fans Elvis had and has would influence more people than your average John Doe. There are millions of fans, even if only 1% actually decided to take up karate that would still amount to thousands over 30 plus years...
Lets try and give the King some credit
Work in Progress!
No one is saying he was the best at karate-no one is saying he was the most influential-at least no in my posts.
I said there is no competition for who is most influential, who most spread martial arts into the mainstream-it was a matter of many people, many things which worked individually to reach that goal.
Elvis was certainly a part of that divergent group-I think I can say this with no doubt to be fact. The Hall of Fame certainly thought so.
Work in Progress!
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