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Agreed 100% again!
It's not true. It's pure fantasy.
Let me say this:
I know one of the Presley attorneys & we've discussed this plane scam before.He was there; he testified . Eventually there were several that went to prison because of it.
To try & blow this off as BS or bring up any Elvis conspiracy stories just
shows some have a closed mind. There are many lies published in books as "truth" that Elvis fans buy into. Until you know & talk to the ones involved your knowledge is just as wrong & warpred as any consparacy theory.
The point of this thread had to do with the airplane scam. It happened !
It's only a few doing all the complaining that brought up anything about Elvis still being alive. Which automatically shuts people up.
Until you know as much as you think you do, better to remain quiet than prove ones ignorance.
Patrick Lacy is re-examining some things himself.
I've also seen several on here that are well into the Conspiracy sites, but notice they sing a different tune on here .
Bottom line; any question should be allowed without the fear of being ganged up on & jumped just for asking their question.
Or, as some do. Adding to it until it doesn't even resemble the original question.
Person A says Person B is open minded if they accept or are willing to concede merit to Person A's claims - and close minded if Person B dismisses it.
but open and closed minded isn't actually about a willingness to accept the claim's premise.
it's about a willingness to consider the evidence for the claim.
So, if Person A makes a claim for which there's no evidence, no logic or consistency with other known facts - then rejecting that claim is not being closed minded - it's actually a rapid assessment of the merits (none), the evidence (none) and the logic/probability (none) and reaching a conclusion - so highly improbably as to be stamped with "didn't happen"
however, all conclusions are subject to review if new or actual evidence is provided.
If you insist that open minded means allowing a possibility and probability to any claim - then it's impossible to have any critical thinking because you can't dismiss any claim - not Big Foot, Loch Ness, UFO abductions, vampires, ghosts, and Elvis is alive and in hiding, but sending out clues to special fans who will prepare the masses for his eventual return.
when really, for the last one, the higher probability is people who are exploiting the grief and wishful thinking of the gullible for monetary gain.
This is why there's a dozen or more people out there claiming to be Elvis children (or half sibling), but not actually moving their case in court or providing any evidence.
it's more lucrative to string the public along and you can make whatever claims you want - the court of public opinion is far more lax on evidence standards than court.
However, most things are old facts. One only has to be willing to look at the proof to see what's real & what isn't.
Not much is unknown about Elvis; especially when you have court documents. The inner Elvis very few of the ones now living even knew him. Especially authors of the many books that's passed along as gospel.I don't ascribe to a living Elvis nor to other children. There are plenty of court cases to the latter that's been proved to be untrue.
Perhaps he deserves a rest & just enjoy all he gave us.
I think the part of this thread which bothered me was the "implication" of some foul play (mob hit, etc) concerning his death-or that "he was hidden away in the witness protection program" because he was somehow vital to the case.............
That implication-just from the asking of the question-came immediatly to my mind-because we have heard this theory before.
The idea that he was scammed in the plane deal was proven-its the implications of other things "unproven" which brought contention.
(Unproven things which many have made a cottage industry out of)
Heres a book which took 10 years of research which addresses many theorys about Elvis's life and death"
In Patrick Lacy's recent release, Elvis Decoded, which debunks many of the conspiracy stories which have blossomed around the Elvis name since his death in 1977, Lacy expresses strong criticism of the Grob tome.
Lacy dissects many of Grob's claims and concludes that they are not believable, logically flawed, and based on unprofessional, sloppy and biased investigative work. This is strong condemnation indeed......http://www.elvisdecoded.com/
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Patricks book was published 3 years ago. He's working on some other things. From what I got from his book; he too gave his opinions on many things. I couldn't see that he accomplished more than several others. Of course, he wasn't there either.Nor did he ever work as an investigator in any police work. He did well for what it was. It might be that any of us could write a book about Elvis as many have looked at his life longer than 10years.
Whether Lacy worked as a investigator is really not the point-any author who is researching something for a book is not a real investigator by definition...... but they are doing much of the same legwork a real investigator does.
The Presley Commission for example was a group which were promoting a group of theories and needed the air of legitimacy thus the "Commission"-which helped them sell books.
How many times since Elvis died-all the way back to the mystery singer on the Jerry Lee Lewis duet single "Save the Last Dance for Me" has someone taken a theory about something related to Elvis-and made money from it???
Only to find out years later-that it was totally bogus! Quite a few-and they do muddy the water for new claims. Its human nature to question what just does not seem-on the up and up.
If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck-its hard to not see............
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That was some woman.
Many have made money off of Elvis & still do.
I don't like that.
It is human nature to question. To me, every question should be answered. I never get upset with questions. Only positive answers, when there aren't any sometimes. IF anyone finds a book that Elvis himself wrote,then I might consider the answers. Everything else is just someones opinion. The authors do borrow from each other too, instead of looking for themselves. Many things were not on the up & up in Memphis. I don't expect to ever know everything . I just like his music.
pure fantasy...flush this theory down the
The others were I believe involved in books of their own or publishing books like the Giorgio book so the "Commission" did not as a group write books together and sell them-but each had a stake in the ideas of Elvis being alive, faking his death, going undercover etc....
I agree with your idea that if Elvis wrote a book he would have his own story to tell-and have for years here said this-but I have also applied the same human nature principles to Elvis.....that I apply to all authors of Elvis books.....that being that people tend to slant their own versions of truth in a way which sheds the most good light upon themselves and the darkest portions of their own being are not really given full exposure.
You are also correct that many things are just someones opinion-but many times those opinions are well informed-if you spend years with someone, even though you can not see into someones mind for motivation or reason,-you see the outer actions first hand and see the consequences of those actions upon others.
If enought people tell the same general story about a situation-the basic content shows thru...........even when details may differ from each particular telling.
I have read many books on the Nixon years and on Nixon-from people who were close to his presidency and life-I can tell you the story of interaction between Nixon and those close is very similar-although the details and particulars are not.
You can see who Nixon is by reading and comparing these books- his personality and mentality come thru in all books I have read-yet all have a little different take on the particulars.
Nixons books on himself and his presidency also seem to put his good foot forward and try to justify actions which seem unjustifible when viewed against known history and all the other books from people in the midst of his presidency.
Same IMO with Elvis-I truely think you can see who Elvis was by reading the books about him-the good and the bad. Nothing wrong in that we all have good and bad-and he was a human being like all here.
Their are the good positive books which emphasis the good, kindness and the greatness of Elvis and downplay the bad and visa versa.
Elvis was complex, and contradictory IMO and thats hard to pin down.
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if there had been any other kids - it's not at all reasonable that the woman would have hidden the child (even from Elvis) to protect Elvis' reputation or accepted a payoff.
the one who tried to claim she'd had his son - Peter Parker - was proven to be a fraud.
and if anyone had a reasonable suspicion that they were an Elvis offspring - they are long since out of time to proceed in court to prove it
you only have about 2 years from the discovery to move forward
it's what happened to Jett Williams - she waited too long to make a claim on the Hank Williams Sr estate - even though it's clear she is his daughter - she simply waited too long and she lost.