Do you think Elvis could have been saved?

[hounddog]

I think if Elvis could have got off the medication/drugs and took better care of himself then yes i think he'd still be here.

[Getlo]

agree with u..everyone here has given reasons why elvis passed away ..and ur all wrong......it was simply his time to go..end of story..it was written that elvis would die that way...end of story.....destiny

There is no such thing as destiny. People, through their actions, make their own paths and thus their own consequences. So you think that the most popular entertainer was meant to die an undignified, disgusting death near the toilet at just 42? No way, no how.

[epmoodyblue]

There is no such thing as destiny. People, through their actions, make their own paths and thus their own consequences. So you think that the most popular entertainer was meant to die an undignified, disgusting death near the toilet at just 42? No way, no how.

its just my opnion i believe in destiny you dont...it dosent matter. in what way we die ..when our time comes we can be watching tv....at a table having supper..talking on the phone -listening to an elvis cd-we can be in perfect health drug free and poof the light go out...whatever..we will go ...when its time we will go..dosnt matter what we are doing just before death comes knocking on the door....same thing happened to elvis regardless of how famous he was...he was destined to die where he died...had he passed on in the kitchen would of made no difference..would of been just as tragic.....we all have a certain time in wich we will pass on.. if People through their actions. commit suicide..then that also is destiny it was written they would pass on this way..sad but thats the way it is.....evreryone will pass on in a certain way dignified or undignified one day we will face the lord..he will then judge us same goes for you getlo me everyone.....we just dont know when its going to happen..repent everyone for all your sins. anuways i believe in destiny..elvis is finally at peace

[Diane]

There is no such thing as destiny. People, through their actions, make their own paths and thus their own consequences. So you think that the most popular entertainer was meant to die an undignified, disgusting death near the toilet at just 42? No way, no how.

I strongly believe in free will so I don't believe in destiny or that it's a person's time to go.

Diane

[TotallyInsane]

OK - so let's say Elvis died in the kitchen - there would be just as many jokes about him being in the kitchen as the bathroom. People would have been saying one too many peanut butter and banana sandwiches, shouldn't ate that last pound of bacon, etc!
Maybe Elvis dying where he did was somebody saying it doesn't matter how big or famous you are - you are not in control - somebody bigger is!!!!

[utmom2008]

I strongly believe in free will so I don't believe in destiny or that it's a person's time to go.

Diane

I agree 100% Diane. I believe that God gives us choices and it's what we do with those choices that determine our outcome. Elvis had a choice between taking the meds and not taking the meds. Obviously he made the wrong choice.

I don't believe in destiny for the simple reason that I don't think it's pre-determined that a 4 year old child's destiny is to be raped and murdered.

[Donut]

OK - so let's say Elvis died in the kitchen - there would be just as many jokes about him being in the kitchen as the bathroom. People would have been saying one too many peanut butter and banana sandwiches, shouldn't ate that last pound of bacon, etc!
Maybe Elvis dying where he did was somebody saying it doesn't matter how big or famous you are - you are not in control - somebody bigger is!!!!

The kitchen would be closed for tours too and we just would be able to see the living room and the basement

[utmom2008]

The kitchen would be closed for tours too and we just would be able to see the living room and the basement

BUT......we could see the upstairs bedroom and the "infamous" bathroom, which of course would not be "infamous" if he died in the kitchen.

[epmoodyblue]

obviosly this thread has gone way off topic

[beckelvis]

i believe that if it had been saved,if the people of his around had worried more for that for his fame and money.

[TotallyInsane]

BUT......we could see the upstairs bedroom and the "infamous" bathroom, which of course would not be "infamous" if he died in the kitchen.

[Diane]

BUT......we could see the upstairs bedroom and the "infamous" bathroom, which of course would not be "infamous" if he died in the kitchen.

I have to say I really like that thought. The way things stand, the upstairs draws people like it was haunted....maybe it is.

Diane

[Getlo]

I strongly believe in free will so I don't believe in destiny or that it's a person's time to go.

Ironically, while Christians believe in God giving man free will and all that, atheists such a myself believe totally in free will as well - without the devine side of things.

I find it hard to reconcile people being "meant" to die, or it was "just their time to go". I think that's a cop out.

After all, death is inevitable and comes to us all at one point or another. Of course it will eventually be someone's "time". So it's kind of a moot point.

[KPM]

Ironically, while Christians believe in God giving man free will and all that, atheists such a myself believe totally in free will as well - without the devine side of things.

I find it hard to reconcile people being "meant" to die, or it was "just their time to go". I think that's a cop out.

After all, death is inevitable and comes to us all at one point or another. Of course it will eventually be someone's "time". So it's kind of a moot point.

I think I am an example of someone who will die younger than most people-due to my stressful childhood and all that entailed. (I've talked of my life as a kid and won't mention it again) But I had high blood pressure at 17.
I developed an irregular heartbeat at 27 and have had problems with prescription meds. The shrinks tell me I am type A personality and with my family history have depression and anxiety problems. I am a worrier. I learned to worry at an early age-and its as natural as breathing today at 53. It also will kill me one day.
Yet I can honestly say I did not want to have the worrybug ingrained in me as a child. Children should not be put in circumstances which produce worry-I was and my life will be cut short one day because of it. The problem with worrying as you get older is it gets worse-and it sends my BP sky high and my pulse plays "Rock around the clock" in my chest except its a little off kilter-not a consistent beat Medications do not really help as well a-thats how strong the power of worry is. The depression is hereditary and my grandma use to say she worries about things which may not happen for 10 years-I laughed at her then. Its not so funny today.

[Diane]

Ironically, while Christians believe in God giving man free will and all that, atheists such a myself believe totally in free will as well - without the devine side of things.

I find it hard to reconcile people being "meant" to die, or it was "just their time to go". I think that's a cop out.

After all, death is inevitable and comes to us all at one point or another. Of course it will eventually be someone's "time". So it's kind of a moot point.

I am a Christian but I don't believe God has a plan for when we have to go nor do I believe that he has a path all mapped out for us to follow... free will and that I was taught in my religion.

Diane

[Diane]

I think I am an example of someone who will die younger than most people-due to my stressful childhood and all that entailed. (I've talked of my life as a kid and won't mention it again) But I had high blood pressure at 17.
I developed an irregular heartbeat at 27 and have had problems with prescription meds. The shrinks tell me I am type A personality and with my family history have depression and anxiety problems. I am a worrier. I learned to worry at an early age-and its as natural as breathing today at 53. It also will kill me one day.
Yet I can honestly say I did not want to have the worrybug ingrained in me as a child. Children should not be put in circumstances which produce worry-I was and my life will be cut short one day because of it. The problem with worrying as you get older is it gets worse-and it sends my BP sky high and my pulse plays "Rock around the clock" in my chest except its a little off kilter-not a consistent beat Medications do not really help as well a-thats how strong the power of worry is. The depression is hereditary and my grandma use to say she worries about things which may not happen for 10 years-I laughed at her then. Its not so funny today.

Well I hope you'll find that you turned out to be the exception as others have. Smoking kills some, others it doesn't faze at all...same with eating too many eggs etc. Your body shares a lot in genetics but it's also uniquely yours and may react different than what you expected or what has gone on before you.

Diane

[KPM]

Well I hope you'll find that you turned out to be the exception as others have. Smoking kills some, others it doesn't faze at all...same with eating too many eggs etc. Your body shares a lot in genetics but it's also uniquely yours and may react different than what you expected or what has gone on before you.

Diane

Believe me I hope so-but so far its run pretty much true to form so to speak.
HBP at 17 is pretty rare. I recently went to the ER for what I thought might be a blood clot in my leg (it was not) but my BP was 215/105 they immediatly gave me a pill to bring it down and hooked me up to an automatic BP cuff-the nurse told me the pill would bring that pressure down in half an hour. The automatic cuff took my pressure every 15 minute and if it is in lethal range an alarm goes off like a dive warning on a submarine in the movies. It went off 15 minutes after the pill-then again 15 minutes later.
They gave me another pill and 15 minutes later alarm goes off. It went off every 15 minutes for 2 hours-and 3 doses of this BP medication.
They put an IV in (in case they needed quick access to revive me) and admitted me. I told the ER doctor I am a worrier and thats what sends up the BP. He would not let me go home-I found out later they were sure I was going to have a Heart attack or stroke that night.
I had tests and they found no real physical reason for BP that high (as they have done in years past) But the irregular beats and the High BP exist?
I just try to avoid things which bring on worry-that was one doctors casual advice once

[Diane]

That's it in a nutshell I think. Worry and stress are really bad and I hope you find a way to get rid of most of it....I'm one to talk, I may do myself in early for the same reason. As I don't have to take meds for other than allergies and asthma, I won't take anything for nerves as I have a fear of being addicted and I'm probably under the delusion that I'm tough enough to deal with it on my own. My cholesteral is borderline but my BP is within normal range. Smoking is my both my relaxer and my coffin nail....don't know which one will win out.

I have a feeling Elvis was under the same delusion...he felt he could control his addiction but that is never true...it controls you.

Diane

[midnight]

I agree 100% Diane. I believe that God gives us choices and it's what we do with those choices that determine our outcome. Elvis had a choice between taking the meds and not taking the meds. Obviously he made the wrong choice.

I don't believe in destiny for the simple reason that I don't think it's pre-determined that a 4 year old child's destiny is to be raped and murdered.

That is so true Rosanne! Everyone has choices in their lives. God`s gift to us was our bodies and the power to make decisions! Elvis' decision was to take those meds and unfortunately it cost him his life.

God did not plan our destiny, I saw that after spending months in a hospital watching children with cancer die. No God would do that to these innocent babies. But I saw God`s power there everyday in the doctors who worked endlessly to help these children. I saw it in the parents who despite being in an unimaginable situation, were able to cope and find the strength to face each day.

Elvis could not have been saved at the time he died. I don't think it would of mattered who he was with or where he was, he would of died on that August day! Not because his time had simply come but because the years of abuse he had done to himself was too great. His body had taken enough. It is not God that plans our destiny but sadly it is often ourselves !