NightRider Designs

[NightRider]

The site will be off-line in a couple of hours...have had to make a few changes to right the alignment issue's....but i think its just about there now......should be back on-line later this afternoon.....when it is....i would appreciate your views....hopefully will be ok whatever screen resolution you are using...this time

[NightRider]

The new...new site is now up...hope you like it

[Albert]

Looking great!

One advise: using frames is heavily disadvised (just read this site for example, or Google's website instructions).

9 out of 10 times google will send someone to just 1 page and not the whole frameset. So when someone visits your site, coming from Google (or any searchengine), he/she won't see frames, but only the lowerpage (the one with the content). And since the navigation is in the topframe (that the visitor doesn't have), he/she can't visit other pages on the site.

There are a few sollutions if you choose to keep on working with frames: place a link on the bottom to the page with the frameset (Newmain.htm). This way when people are stuck on the bottompage, the can reload the frames by clicking on that link. Also a link on the bottom (this page is in a frameset, click here to reload) can solve this.

Another option is to add a script to the page. As soon as a page is loaded outside the frameset (like with entering the site by Google), the page will be re-loaded but inside the original frameset.

[NightRider]

Looking great!

One advise: using frames is heavily disadvised (just read this site for example, or Google's website instructions).

9 out of 10 times google will send someone to just 1 page and not the whole frameset. So when someone visits your site, coming from Google (or any searchengine), he/she won't see frames, but only the lowerpage (the one with the content). And since the navigation is in the topframe (that the visitor doesn't have), he/she can't visit other pages on the site.

There are a few sollutions if you choose to keep on working with frames: place a link on the bottom to the page with the frameset (Newmain.htm). This way when people are stuck on the bottompage, the can reload the frames by clicking on that link. Also a link on the bottom (this page is in a frameset, click here to reload) can solve this.

Another option is to add a script to the page. As soon as a page is loaded outside the frameset (like with entering the site by Google), the page will be re-loaded but inside the original frameset.

Thanks Albert,

Now though you have me even more confused I have just re-designed it for the second time

I think the easiest way would be to put a HOME link on the bottom of all the pages

I have no idea about the script option..so that probably the best option......

[Albert]

That's a good option. It really helps you to keep the people on the site. Otherwise they can't navigate further through your site. You already have some good Google results (link)

[NightRider]

That's a good option. It really helps you to keep the people on the site. Otherwise they can't navigate further through your site. You already have some good Google results (link)

Thanks for the info Albert.....i have added a link to each page as you suggested....so hopefully that should solve that problem

[Elvisgirl]

fantastic!

[NightRider]

fantastic!

Thanks once again Elvisgirl.....i appreciate that

[Elvisgirl]

you're welcome :smile:

[Albert]

There is nothing wrong with using frames, all big companies in the world use frames. It speeded up your page a lot, and that?s bottom line!

No Unchained, you're wrong there... There's hardly any big company website that uses frames. Sure there will be a few, but those are the minority.

And the speed excuses is wrong also. All modern browsers are caching images. So as long as the mainbanner on a page is linked to the same image, the user don't need to load it everytime they visit a new page within the homepage.

And if you read all the information about submitting links to searcheninges, you'll see that those crawlers/spiders (like MSNbot, googlebot, etc.) disadvice to use frames.

Sites on frames:
taming the beast
html4.com
webdevelopment.com (not a small site)
designandcreate.com
christian-web-masters.com (yep, that site exists)

Just go to the websites of the biggest brands in the world, from sony to mcdonalds, from msn to google, from Amazon to MTV and from coca cola to Disney. None of those websites use frames. Should be convincing enough

But... using frames my be a good thing, as long as you keep an eye on all those disadvantages.

[P.S. Annie]

congratulations Chris, good looking site! It's hard work to get how you want it, I admire everyone who does not throw his PC out of the window during that process

[NightRider]

congratulations Chris, good looking site! It's hard work to get how you want it, I admire everyone who does not throw his PC out of the window during that process

Thanks Anoushka....

Came very close a couple of times though

[P.S. Annie]

Well I'm glad you didnt By the way I see that you are in the jungleroom, that is my favourite room, I'm not jealous........................

[NightRider]

Well I'm glad you didnt By the way I see that you are in the jungleroom, that is my favourite room, I'm not jealous........................

I believe you

Its a great place to be....i am sure you will get there...(if thats where you would choose to be )