Reply With QuoteThat supposedly was a in house camera that MSG had. I wish professional footage existed. It is a shame that history like this wasnt filmed.
Rumours have been flying around, basically from right afther the actual performances: were the Madison Square Garden shows (or was at least one of them) professionally filmed? Some claim that the first 6 songs of the opening show on Friday were taped with news camera's, others fear that the only excisting footage are amateur recordings. Anyway, in the mail this morning was the latest magazine of the German EPG fanclub, with an indepth report on the Square Garden shows... among the many pictures, we also spotted these two: note the camera on each photo! So... just maybe...?
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That supposedly was a in house camera that MSG had. I wish professional footage existed. It is a shame that history like this wasnt filmed.
"When I was a child, ladies and gentlemen, I was a dreamer. I read comic books, and I was a hero in the movie. So every dream that I ever dreamed has come true a hundred times. I learned very early in life that without a song, the day would never end; without a song, a man ain't got a friend; without a song, the road would never bend; without a song. So I keep singing a song." - Elvis Presley
Camera is probably from local news crew, or from security.
If so, I doubt they would have filmed the entire show.
Just imagine if the MSG experience with all shows would've been made into a documentary like EOT was.
"How do I get placed in situations like this? Ah hell, I guess it's all part of showbusiness "~ Elvis in his limo on his way to perform in Omaha, NE on June 19th 1977
These cameras (or possibly just a single camera) that we see are mostly just security cameras - nothing more. Had anything professionally been shot during those four shows, they would have most likely surfaced by now.
Well known Elvis author, Joe Tunzi, has gone on record saying there is pro-footage of MSG
and avante garde filmmaker, Jonas Mekas, did definitly film with a 16mm camera at one of the shows and has won an award for his short film "Mozart and Elvis"
So I am of the opinion that some pro footage exists, because in the last 20 years I have seen differing footage show up(usually in 20-30 second bits) on 20/20, Dateline NBC and a couple other shows . Others do not agree.
We differ on what the definition of pro-footage is, some say it had to be authorized as an official project-to me that does not matter if a professional filmaker or news crew shot it its pro. All I care about is how clear the footage is.
I have seen the Mekas film (and have posted it here a couple times)-it may have won an award but his editing is bizarre.
Question to Joe Tunzi: We know that some professional footage was done at the opening show of Madison Square Garden on June 9th 1972. Some portions of this footage has been used on different projects but always heavily edited and without Elvis’ vocal. Three years ago Dateline NBC used a short sequence for the first time with the original sound of Elvis performing “ Polk Salad Annie “. According to the different footages partly used on different projects and/or on T.V., they have filmed at least the following: the crowd before the show starts, The Sweet Inspirations, Elvis entering the stage, That’s All Right, Proud Mary, You Don’t Have To Say You Love Me, You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling and Polk Salad Annie. Do you know if the show was filmed from beginning to end with matching sound ? If not, do you know how much was actually filmed and who possibly owns that footage ?
JOE TUNZI: .It sounds like you have been doing your homework. This is exactly correct. I think there may be around 30 or 40 minutes of the show with matching sound. The sound quality is not the greatest but is passable. I really can’t comment on who owns it.
Question to Joe Tunzi: In your excellent book “ Elvis- Encore Performance II “ on page 73 we can see a camera on the stage mounted on a tripod. Do you know if this camera could be related in some manners to the previous question on the footage filmed at the opening show at Madison Square Garden ?
JOE TUNZI: I believe that camera was for security purposes so they could monitor the show. It isn't related at all to the aforementioned footage.
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I have to agree with Tony...if there was professional MSG footage out there, it certainly would have surfaced by now.
But...with the amazing advances in computers these days, some of the import DVD's that are available which have the audience video footage matched up with the audio from the shows are quite amazing to watch...almost like it was professionally filmed to start with!!
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Exactly, TT.Originally Posted by Tony Trout
This stuff, like so many other rumours, has been floating around for years, and people get their hopes up.
Rumour becomes fact ... "Oh this stuff is in private hands" they say, and people automatically assume it to be gospel.
And, in 36 years, not one single frame of the stuff has ever shown up.
In fact, didn't Christian and a few others here say that this year would be the "big year" for pro shot stuff? Uh-huh, and we're still waiting!
No pro footage of MSG was filmed, which is a real shame as the shows were great.
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Exactly, TT.
This stuff, like so many other rumours, has been floating around for years, and people get their hopes up.
Rumour becomes fact ... "Oh this stuff is in private hands" they say, and people automatically assume it to be gospel.
And, in 36 years, not one single frame of the stuff has ever shown up.
In fact, didn't Christian and a few others here say that this year would be the "big year" for pro shot stuff? Uh-huh, and we're still waiting!
No pro footage of MSG was filmed, which is a real shame as the shows were great.
Thank you, Getlo. And...agreed on all points. It's good to see you back, dude. You've been missed on here.
Thanks, TT.
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
I would never assume it to be gospel-but I have seen the 16mm footage that Mekas shot-so obviously he did shoot it. (as I said I do not like his style of editing but he had to have many shots in order to edit his short film the way he did)Exactly, TT.
This stuff, like so many other rumours, has been floating around for years, and people get their hopes up.
Rumour becomes fact ... "Oh this stuff is in private hands" they say, and people automatically assume it to be gospel.And, in 36 years, not one single frame of the stuff has ever shown up.
In fact, didn't Christian and a few others here say that this year would be the "big year" for pro shot stuff? Uh-huh, and we're still waiting!
No pro footage of MSG was filmed, which is a real shame as the shows were great.
I know it was not an official authorised by Parker project- like TTWII or EOT but to me it matters not.
The footage Mekas has shot is great crystal clear footage thats all that matters to me.
As far as Joe Tunzi most would say he is pretty knowledgable and has in the past made claims which have proved correct when it comes to footage and recordings which had not been known before.
I do not take his word as gospel-but he says there is 30 to 40 minutes- and having seen with my own eyes differing footage on Dateline NBC and also 20/20 from MSG, it tells me someone has some footage which is as clear as a bell.
I have no idea why it comes out in bits and pieces but it is from MSG and it usually shows up on news programs or magazine type shows.
If it were just rumor with absolutely no footage ever having been seen I would totally agree with you-but I have seen bits of this footage in too many places in the last 20 years to be so. If it were always the same bits of film-I would agree that it is probably just a few seconds of news crew film-once again it is not the same film each time. I have seen quick clips of "Polk Salad Annie", "You've Lost that Lovin Feeling" '"Hound Dog", "Proud Mary" and the opening vamp and "Thats All Right" all in the same clear picture. So by what I have seen over the years, what Tunzi says and the Mekas film I feel this footage is there in some form. WHether its 40 minutes I do not know but even those songs I have listed would be great to have from MSG in any form with the quality of picture I have seen.
Surely someone else has seen the footage on Dateline in the mid 90s or on 20/20 in the mid to late 80s. I just recently saw some more of this footage on the TV Guide channel during the 30th anniversary year-I caught the last 15 minutes of a program which was talking about the 30th anniversary and leading into the commercials and coming out of the commercials there was MSG footage of about 20-30 seconds each.
I do agree there is no authorised full concert hidden like a secret Aloha.
Getlo let me second that "nice to see you back"
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For years there have been rumors that Boston Garden, Vegas Feb. 1970, Houston Astrodome 1970 were filmed and the footage is out there somewhere just like MSG but I think if their was actually footage EPE would have got a hold of it and released it or it would've been bootlegged by now.
Pat Boone does say the show he did in Cleveland with Elvis in 1955 was shot and the footage could be in the universial studio vault but that it's either possibly lost or been misplaced.
I believe their may be a little bit of footage from Elvis on tour that we haven't seen but we are likely to never see it as Time Warner aren't going to release on tour.
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That would be the film called:
The Pied Piper of Cleveland: "A Day in the Life of a Famous Disc Jockey" is an American musical documentary film produced in the fall of 1955 documenting the career of disc jockey Bill Randle. Arthur Cohen directed the film, which was produced by Bill Randle himself.
Included in the film was live footage shot at several live shows at local high schools and auditoriums on and around October 20, 1955. Performers featured included Elvis Presley, Bill Haley and His Comets, Pat Boone, LaVern Baker, Roy Hamilton, Johnnie Ray and others. This was the first film Presley ever appeared in, and is the "movie short" referred to by Randle when he introduced Presley on his first national TV appearance on Stage Show in early 1956. It was Bill Haley's second film appearance after his group appeared in the 1954 short film, Round Up of Rhythm.
A plaque commemorating one of the filmed performances is located at Brooklyn High School in the Cleveland area, and was installed by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
The original forty-eight minute film was supposed to be cut down to a twenty minute "short" for national distribution, but never made it that far. As of 2005, 50 years after its was produced, the movie remains unreleased. There is some dispute over whether or not this film actually exists, although it was shown publicly, albeit only once in Cleveland, and excerpts were also aired on a Cleveland television station in 1956.
According to music historian Jim Dawson, Randle, before his death, sold the rights to the film to PolyGram, although it has been reported that Universal Studios has the negatives of the film in its vaults.
It should, if you're talking about professionally filmed. I have also seen Mekas' stuff. It is not pro shot, ie MGM, TV crews etc.
Yes, but he has also been wrong before.
Yes, I've seen that as well. But there is no indication that a TV or movie crew filmed it. Anything less - despite the type of equipment used - means it is not pro shot.
We've had the KNBC footage from August '72 and the Japanese TV footage of Hawaii '72. Those, and the concert movies and TV shows, comprise the total list of professionally-filmed footage.
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
I all can say Getlo my friend is that Mekas is a professional award winning filmmaker of nearly 50 years associated with Andy Warhol and John Lennon along the way. YOu and I may not like the type films he makes, I may say he is not MGM/NBC etc...-but he is a professional filmmaker by most peoples standards -he is listed in IMBD and has many accomplishments in his field to his name. The video he has released is crystal clear but edited in a bizarre fashion-I do not like it but somewhere the unedited footage exists-perhaps all of the songs he condenses into his short film, if so the first half of the show was filmed.
The other films I mentioned on Dateline or 20/20 are numerous and obviously they have access to them from some source. Where they got them so far they have not said as far as I can find.
In my opinion we are debating apples and oranges-I could care less if its MGM, NBC, privately piped video from MSGs cameras into the luxury boxes (that was recorded on the sly)-matters not to me -the quality of the films picture does. I only hope that what Tunzi has said is true-he must have some basis for saying it exists and the people who asked him the question also seem to have some knowledge of its existence. I have always thought there is some question as to who owns and is allowed to use this film if it exists.
Exactly Tony.
Atleast we have some excellent footage shot by fans available.
Some looks almost pro !
"How do I get placed in situations like this? Ah hell, I guess it's all part of showbusiness "~ Elvis in his limo on his way to perform in Omaha, NE on June 19th 1977
Hey, let's still have a little faith the years not over just yet. Hopefully something will come about that will blow us all away.In fact, didn't Christian and a few others here say that this year would be the "big year" for pro shot stuff? Uh-huh, and we're still waiting!
"How do I get placed in situations like this? Ah hell, I guess it's all part of showbusiness "~ Elvis in his limo on his way to perform in Omaha, NE on June 19th 1977
I give that a big second. Welcome back Getlo.
"How do I get placed in situations like this? Ah hell, I guess it's all part of showbusiness "~ Elvis in his limo on his way to perform in Omaha, NE on June 19th 1977
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