The Elvis Cover Up

[TotallyInsane]

Woah!

He hasn't been jailed and he was not as bad as some of the others that Elvis used.

Its very difficult to treat an addict.

Out of curiosity how would you have dealt with Elvis?

No, you're right he wasn't jailed. Should he have been? Yes! If he had stopped dispensing drugs after Elvis died - I could get past it. However, he DID NOT...he continued on until he got CAUGHT AGAIN!! Then, he lost his license. To me, it boils down to he didn't learn his lesson the first time, when it cost Elvis his life and so he continued on down the same path! But, he should have been jailed the SECOND TIME HE WAS BUSTED!! End of story.
His own daughter???? Give me a break!

[Stryx]

No doubt that Elvis was in denial and felt in control...that's addiction, but all three of those doctors were highly unethical and should have walked away rather than stay in it for the money.

I would agree with some of you that Dr. Nick chose to stay to try and help Elvis with placebos etc. had he not done the same to other celebrities and his own daughter....I really feel that says it all not matter what he claims.

Diane

I know what your saying and im not trying to defend Nick, but out of all the doctors to me he seems to be the one who at least recognised the problem, had Elvis treated as an addict when he was in Baptist Memorial in 73' or maybe it was 74' but I think it was 73'.

The guys have also mentioned them going to Graceland with Nick while Elvis was in hospital and flushing his drugs down the toilet that they found in his bedroom. And also putting sugar in some of the capsules Elvis was taking.

But at the end of the day Elvis manipulated his many doctors. Was secretive about what he was taking and im just sorry that it ended the way it did.

[Stryx]

Exactly. Elvis was his own worst enemy. If "Needle Nick" didn't give it to him, he would go to either Ghanem or "Flash" Newman or Max Shapiro.





Well, neither one of them were exactly the best choice.....





He was told of his problem...and he chose to let it go in one ear and out the other because he thought he was in conctrol of everything and could stop anytime he wanted....

He was a man in total and complete denial....and it cost him his life.

He was right on the $$$ when he supposedly told Linda Thompson: "I'm self-destructive"....

Couldn't agree more!

[Stryx]

What would be the difference? Either or both would have killed him. And did!

I think and its only my opinion but from what has been known about Max....Elvis probably would have died a lot sooner than Aug 77. If you think Nick was free with meds, Dr. Feelgood was a whole other matter!

And it was Elvis who was at fault. The blame is with him for the way he abused meds.

[Stryx]

No, you're right he wasn't jailed. Should he have been? Yes! If he had stopped dispensing drugs after Elvis died - I could get past it. However, he DID NOT...he continued on until he got CAUGHT AGAIN!! Then, he lost his license. To me, it boils down to he didn't learn his lesson the first time, when it cost Elvis his life and so he continued on down the same path! But, he should have been jailed the SECOND TIME HE WAS BUSTED!! End of story.
His own daughter???? Give me a break!

Im speaking only about Elvis - and out of all the doctors Elvis used and manipulated, Dr. Nick I think was the one who attempted at least to treat Elvis as an addict.

[TotallyInsane]

Im speaking only about Elvis - and out of all the doctors Elvis used and manipulated, Dr. Nick I think was the one who attempted at least to treat Elvis as an addict.

Or so he says now.

[Stryx]

Or so he says now.

In fairness many who were with Elvis at the time say the same thing - that Nick tried. Are you aware of what it was like with Elias, Max or Flash?

[TotallyInsane]

Yes, I am aware. I am also aware that the same many that say Nick tried were right in there with him doing the exact same thing. However, now days it appears that it was only Elvis doing the pills!
And, I still say that had he stopped dispensing pills after Elvis' death I could believe it - but he didn't. To me, that says the death of Elvis really didn't bother him cause he found others who needed it like Elvis and who also had some deep pockets to keep the bottles full.

[Stryx]

Yes, I am aware. I am also aware that the same many that say Nick tried were right in there with him doing the exact same thing. However, now days it appears that it was only Elvis doing the pills!
And, I still say that had he stopped dispensing pills after Elvis' death I could believe it - but he didn't. To me, that says the death of Elvis really didn't bother him cause he found others who needed it like Elvis and who also had some deep pockets to keep the bottles full.

Marty is very open about the pills as are most of the guys. They all mention the pills as does Priscilla. The pills were in use before Nick - and would have been used after Nick. They were also used when Elvis was using other doctors instead of Nick.

Elvis was responsible for his own death - not Dr. Nick. Elvis was at the dentist that night and had recieved medication from the dentist as well....I mean there was so many sources for it - it is irrational to blame just one doctor. Ultimately it was Elvis's fault. Elvis was getting it from everywhere and no one was able to stop him.

As he told Red..."I need it man"

[buttonhead]

I just do not know how these people sleep at night!!! And to think that on Elvis` 30th anniversary Dr Nick was one of the honored guests for fans to visit at Dolan drive!!! Oh, how quick they forget!!

Yes , I got chance to met him at Dolan Drive...and it was true how quick people forget OR they choose to bury the hatchet after 30 years ...I dont know... just guessing..

he was also there at Alfred's ..where Patty Perry, Joe Esposito, DJ Fontana, Jerry Schilling, George Klein, and Dean ( his boy )had meet and greet,... he ( Dr. Nick ) didn't say much...may be he is afraid people will come up with THAT drugs question..

[Diane]

I agree, you can't blame just one doctor and Dr. Nick may have been the best of the lot but still was in the wrong for the part he played in Elvis' addiction and I for one am glad that there is one that had his license revoked. There were and still are many more who should be thrown out of the medical field.

Diane

[Stryx]

Yes and plenty who need to admit they are addicts and recieve treatment.

It would be one thing had Elvis never been told - but he was at baptist and the consequences were made known to him. Especially after his fatty liver biopsy.

Elvis was playing with fire.

[Diane]

Unfortunately that is the way addictions work...denial come hell or high water. So few climb out of it long enough to realize that a drastic change is needed if they want to continue to live...I'm so sorry Elvis wasn't one of them. He was a classic case not to make it though with his personality....proud, sometimes in the wrong way and stubborn.

Diane

[TotallyInsane]

Yes and plenty who need to admit they are addicts and recieve treatment.

It would be one thing had Elvis never been told - but he was at baptist and the consequences were made known to him. Especially after his fatty liver biopsy.

Elvis was playing with fire.

So, why do you think Dr. Nick didn't get his daughter treatment?

[Stryx]

So, why do you think Dr. Nick didn't get his daughter treatment?

You would have to ask Dr. Nick and his daughter that. I can't speculate on something like that.

Elvis on the other hand was well aware that he had a problem and the consequences of that problem.

[TotallyInsane]

He's not expected to get his daughter treatment and it's ok that he gave out prescriptions by the thousands! OK - gotcha!

[Stryx]

He's not expected to get his daughter treatment and it's ok that he gave out prescriptions by the thousands! OK - gotcha!

Look - I really don't know much about Nick and his daughters relationship - not enough to speculate!

He made sure Elvis was aware that he was a drug addict - more than any of Elvis's other doctors did.

At the end of the day it was only Elvis or Vernon at that stage that could have done something to sort it.

What happened between Nick and his daughter is no concern to me.

[KPM]

Unfortunately that is the way addictions work...denial come hell or high water. So few climb out of it long enough to realize that a drastic change is needed if they want to continue to live...I'm so sorry Elvis wasn't one of them. He was a classic case not to make it though with his personality....proud, sometimes in the wrong way and stubborn.

Diane

Elvis was surely no exception. He repeatidly denied his problems, like most men.
In the famous phone call to Red West he tells him hes in the best shape of his life, that the colon problem is now okay-yet Nick around this time was talking to specialists about removing the congenital ganglionic fold section of his colon to help with digestion and the pain. That does not sound like what he told Red.

[TotallyInsane]

Look - I really don't know much about Nick and his daughters relationship - not enough to speculate!

He made sure Elvis was aware that he was a drug addict - more than any of Elvis's other doctors did.

At the end of the day it was only Elvis or Vernon at that stage that could have done something to sort it.

What happened between Nick and his daughter is no concern to me.

Well, for me, it tells a story about a man with a license that was misused in the worst way!!

[utmom2008]

What happened between Nick and his daughter is no concern to me.

Maybe not, but it speaks volumes as to the character of the man.