What would you ask Sonny West....

[4THEHEART]

dear Missy no need to be sorry for any kind of disagreement,it's just natural..besides I'm aware I'm not a person whoes way of thinking is limited with the logical codes and orders human kind accepted so far..maybe in short you can call me freak..fortunately I have experienced how different human beings or their spirits can be..so different that all the connection could be cut and all we could do in times like this is getting mad at that person or accusing or advicing or punishing even him/her, which won't work in reality...self destruction happened in front of my eyes by my father..nothing to do with drugs,it's just about the way he was..anything he did was good for one person or another but himself..as a designer and an engineer he was almost the best in his area but the way he treated people with the endless trust,daring generousity,honesty and compassion got back at him as a solid betrayal till he lost his job,his health and we all had our share as his family which could be considered as a disaster..I know he'd do it all the same again had he started a new..sorry for bothering you with my issues but I learned from this to respect other's minds and the picture of life in individuals heads,their expectations and disappointments and decisions no matter how opposite we think, we may never know what really happening ..big talkings and advices are so immature while we all have our own weaknesses,ego issues and all..some people are never easily open themselves and I believe so was Elvis..I do agree he loved his cousin(s) all the guys for he had that huge heart and it was in him to love unconditionally..this is one thing he couldn't teach to others around him..do you think he wasn't aware of his friends shortcomings,darksides,small thinkings,or would he write a book like gossiping in neighbourhood about any friend of his..no he wasn't cheap..he was an aware person with all the meanings of the word..those friends or cousins should understand with being loved by Elvis they can't know all the story to him..they don't even believe the possibility of health issues of Elvis without relating them to drugs.. he had a right to keep things to himself..we can't help anyone by judging them, no one trusts the people who judge them..Elvis left this realm with lots a knowledge and wisdom in a very short time..things we may still envy can be a past phase of life for another person.it seems he'll be a step further while we're still rolling in that "he did this he did that" mud,along with still confused old friends of him..hope not..

[4THEHEART]

[quote=Getlo;233625]
Mmm-hmm. He was almost like a god, wasn't he? He could do no wrong. It was everyone else's fault.[quote]

We all are God Getlo..we just abuse it..
wrongs,mistakes are a part of every life as was Elvis'S..but we better seperate them from crime for not to execute wrong person..

Known patterns? The man was the poster boy for classic drug addiction!

the real poster boys of drug addiction lived longer..
How you trapped in images..hey!!they are man made.. follow the man himself..
btw,you should post a list sometime of the names you name Elvis..

[Merry]

dear Missy no need to be sorry for any kind of disagreement,it's just natural..besides I'm aware I'm not a person whoes way of thinking is limited with the logical codes and orders human kind accepted so far..maybe in short you can call me freak....

You are a Spiritual person, and I respect you, Zey.



Kimmi

[john carpenter]

It was a low blow to Elvis when EWH came out. But after the years went by i learned to forgive Sonny, Red. Dave, after all how childish is it to hold a grudge for 31 years against someone you never met? The West boys lost their job & were afraid, like Sonny said "we all had families" to support. And yes they knew it would sell alot of books right on the heel of Elvis dying.It didn't make them wealthy though. I'd ask Sonny what he is up to now? I betcha if he is working it's Elvis related.

[MissyM]

I understand what you are saying. I've been there too. The only thing I will tell you is in response to this part...
"..he was an aware person with all the meanings of the word..those friends or cousins should understand with being loved by Elvis they can't know all the story to him..they don't even believe the possibility of health issues of Elvis without relating them to drugs.. he had a right to keep things to himself..we can't help anyone by judging them, no one trusts the people who judge them..Elvis left this realm with lots a knowledge and wisdom in a very short time..things we may still envy can be a past phase of life for another person.it seems he'll be a step further while we're still rolling in that "he did this he did that" mud,along with still confused old friends of him..hope not.."
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Elvis often not aware of how he hurt people untill later. And as for Billy, he knew Elvis better than anyone. I doubt there is anything Billy did not know. The problem with EWH, is that Elvis died. I honestly think knowing Elvis and his friends, they would have eventually resolved the issues. Like so often when these things happened they would, given the time. But there was no more time. So all of it is left open and it is we who are left with hard feelings and the need to forgive. (or not)
People often say Elvis would not have done the same to them. I don't think it is relevant. Elvis was not in their shoes. And Elvis was not always the nicest to some people in public for all the world to see. And what were his reasons for being cruel?
I've heard stories about Elvis since 1970. He could be very loving and he could be mean, and that was since he was a child. But the bottom line is that those were men he had choosen. They were his family in so many ways. And in family stuff happens. I doubt one person here can say their family doesn't have it's feuds. It is just that when it comes to Elvis's, it is public and important to many.

[TotallyInsane]

The question I would ask Sonny is how could he live with himself after writing "E-WH" and subsequently trying to make a dollar off his friends name after his death. Wonder if I would get an honest answer.........

Have you guys seen this u-tube clip ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9K9a...eature=related

Great song! I do not understand why some people even bother to get on this board! Surely, there's got to be a MM board somewhere they can go show their love on!! Why, why, why, is everything they say the gospel when NOBODY has or will ever hear what Elvis had to say? Everything is speculation unless it was said by the MM and then it's the gospel!!! I just simply don't get it!!!

[Diane]

I don't understand it either Gail. Maybe they learned more from the "Snowman" than anyone realizes.

To me the fact that Elvis can no longer tell his side of the story, it's all one-sided and incomplete like having some pages missing out of a book.

Diane

[TotallyInsane]

I don't understand it either Gail. Maybe they learned more from the "Snowman" than anyone realizes.

To me the fact that Elvis can no longer tell his side of the story, it's all one-sided and incomplete like having some pages missing out of a book.

Diane

BINGO - AT LEAST SOMEONE GETS IT!!!!

[Merry]

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[midnight]

Very well written, Diane and Gail!! It is all their story. We all know the saying, there is three sides to every story, their side, his side, and the truth. It is so unfortunate that we will never know Elvis` side. It is easy to say things about somebody and get away with it when they are no longer here to defend themselves.

[4THEHEART]

I don't understand it either Gail. Maybe they learned more from the "Snowman" than anyone realizes.

To me the fact that Elvis can no longer tell his side of the story, it's all one-sided and incomplete like having some pages missing out of a book.

Diane

Yes,his side of story was never told even when he was alive, it was always one sided..many people judged him by media and gossips then, and after he died, they continued to judge him by the lecturer's memories or complainings I'd better say..between these, there's no words, no venting, no complaining,no explanation, no his side of the story,from the man himself..not a fair game for sure..
as for him hurting people, as we all do willingly or unwillingly in our life, is gaining another dimension when it is done by Elvis.. as if it's a double identity problem or a sadistic or tyranic behaviour..exegeration that is and not fair again.Why couldn't they take his failures as theirs,I mean naturally and explainable than to use those hurts as an excuse for the revenge that came at the end or the never ending talkings...childish, desperate,pitiful.. actually he became in many shoes in his short life but none was in his', cause his life was one of a kind,became so unintentionally,even found it's place in our world's social and cultural history..finally a little fantasy..I'd love these men to find themselves one by one in his place,and became Elvis for 42 years..
once again,I don't know what's biting us about him,why can't we be happy with his music and existence in our world..till when he'll be seated on the chair as the suspected one..?and how long we'll mourn for poor MM..
Hey Kimmi!! thank you very much it's your kindness..

[Unchained Melody]

Elvis was the type of person that if you pushed him to change to hard you would be gone. How are you going to be there for him if you are gone. Yes, he often hired people back but each time, they came back more careful about how they approched the subject matter..

This is what I always think about when I hear the same ol stuff from the MM haters, is why didn't they help him if they loved him so much. Well it was kind of difficult if you would talk to him and then he'd get mad and fire you for pushing him, and I think thats exactly why he fired Red and Sonny in the end. He was also going to fire Lamar Fike in that deal aswell because Elvis said hes another one of those who keeps telling him he should do this and that. Elvis didn't want to hear none of that, and so he got rid of them so he wouldnt have too..

[Unchained Melody]

But the bottom line is that those were men he had choosen. They were his family in so many ways. And in family stuff happens. I doubt one person here can say their family doesn't have it's feuds. It is just that when it comes to Elvis's, it is public and important to many.

Exaclty, agreed with you once again. Thats something when people call them leaches and hillbillys etc, well that don't speak very highly for Elvis now does it. These were his friends, they all group up in similar ways, and were raised alot the same. He loved having these guys around they were like brothers.

[Unchained Melody]

Great song! I do not understand why some people even bother to get on this board! Surely, there's got to be a MM board somewhere they can go show their love on!! Why, why, why, is everything they say the gospel when NOBODY has or will ever hear what Elvis had to say?

First, no one said everything they say is the gospel truth.

But seeing as how they are all we have really to get the inside stories from and Elvis isn't no longer with us, they are the ones I mean who actually were their with the man for years upon years and knew him better than most did.

[Merry]

However, perhaps some of the stories are like "Chinese Whispers".

No-one said that they hated anyone. Situations just aren't black and white, that isn't the world. One needs to think of circumstances, situations, feelings, education, Emotional IQ, and how people see things through different eyes; because of their own life circumstances, circumstances in that moment, memory retention, or wording how they would have worked out the situation, not necessarily how it was, etc.

[Unchained Melody]

However, perhaps some of the stories are like "Chinese Whispers".

Perhaps so which is why you should take everything with a grain of salt, but also you shouldn't say everything they say is just for money or attention just because you dont like what they are saying.

[Merry]

First, no one said everything they say is the gospel truth.

But seeing as how they are all we have really to get the inside stories from and Elvis isn't no longer with us, they are the ones I mean who actually were their with the man for years upon years and knew him better than most did.

They aren't all we have. It is just people don't listen, or boo hoo people who say that they knew Elvis, as they are jealous.

I'd say that so many people are multi-faceted, that no-one truely knows someone in every way, perhaps unless they are partners, as people react to how they find people, too.

[Merry]

Perhaps so which is why you should take everything with a grain of salt, but also you shouldn't say everything they say is just for money or attention just because you dont like what they are saying.

I know that I didn't make that blanket statement with regard to "everything they say is just for money or attention", and I didn't read anyone else saying that, either.

[Unchained Melody]

They aren't all we have. It is just people don't listen, or boo hoo people who say that they knew Elvis, as they are jealous.

I'd say that so many people are multi-faceted, that no-one truely knows someone in every way, perhaps unless they are partners, as people react to how they find people, too.

Ok I will put it this way, they Sonny red lamar billy knew Elvis better than anyone here and most people out there.

[Merry]

Ok I will put it this way, they Sonny red lamar billy knew Elvis better than anyone here and most people out there.

Yes, I agree with, "most people here". "Most people out there" no, I don't agree. There were others that were trusted. Billy and Charlie, plus others.