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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetCaroline View Post
    "And, because the book went into details about Elvis' medicinal habits and problems, then the above discussion about folliculitis is warranted. Would it have made it easier for you if it was on his elbow instead of "Little Elvis"?"


    IMO A totally crass and unnecessary post.
    And, you expected less??????????????

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    The folliculitis according to the "novel" (which i used the word novel in a sarcastic tone, as I did the word journalism)..was not on as you said "Little Elvis"...you did not read the book closely?

    No, the ..err...what am I supposed to call this piece of.."history"..a book, a novel a ragnovello?? Whatever it is deemed or not..was not a difficult/bothersome type of emotional evoking type of anything to me at all. It was garbage. I said before I had heard/read the negatives before listening to the music of Elvis, nothing was surprising in the supposed "facts" to me, what was surprising and I will say it again and again...was the "fact" his "buds" (sarcasm on..in case you don't catch that one) contributed to it. "Friends/Companions" whatever.

    "Some fans can't take the truth"...again..I've said before I feel like a third party looking in. I am not of the blind faith type of "fan" of any artist (and it's ok for those who are, sarcasm is turned off..) If, whomever chooses to believe the stories in that historical whatever it's called, fine by me. Do not demand all to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Rain View Post
    I said before I had heard/read the negatives before listening to the music of Elvis, nothing was surprising in the supposed "facts" to me, what was surprising and I will say it again and again...was the "fact" his "buds" (sarcasm on..in case you don't catch that one) contributed to it. "Friends/Companions" whatever.
    I totally agree. IMO that "life-long pals" initiated and contributed to "Elvis, What Happened?"
    was THE THING that, for me, made "Elvis, What Happened?"
    forever offensive and reprehensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presley31 View Post
    yep l agree, i wouldn't work for my friends either
    Ok they didn't look at it as a job but sharing a life with Elvis, their friend, they loved him and they loved being around him. And it was the same for Elvis, if he didn't he wouldnt' have had them around for as long as he did. They said themselfs if they would have been there just for the money then no one wouldve stayed. sure they enjoyed the lifestyle but they cared for him so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col Jon Burrows View Post
    Ok they didn't look at it as a job but sharing a life with Elvis, their friend, they loved him and they loved being around him. And it was the same for Elvis, if he didn't he wouldnt' have had them around for as long as he did. They said themselfs if they would have been there just for the money then no one wouldve stayed. sure they enjoyed the lifestyle but they cared for him so much.
    brad you are just going to have to disgree and agree on this one, cause you can't change fans feelings about sonny or the boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    "Weaving tales" implies that Sonny fabricated his stories. He didn't, and your assumption is quite unfair. Any and all "stuff" he's "come up with" has been proven over and over again.

    But some fans simply cannot face the truth.
    Well put Getlo couldn't agree more!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by presley31 View Post
    brad you are just going to have to disgree and agree on this one, cause you can't change fans feelings about sonny or the boys
    Obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col Jon Burrows View Post
    Obviously.
    Sorry brad not being rude, just tired out from the drama earlier on the threads

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    I do not know how to weave-my wife does and she knits.
    All I know is when she knits if she misses a stitch, leaves one out, gets off line it skews the result. Doesn't take much to alter the out come or sway the pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presley31 View Post
    Sorry brad not being rude, just tired out from the drama earlier on the threads
    I know what you mean. The fact is Elvis is gone, they didn't save him when they wrote the book like that wanted to or so they say which i believe anyways.
    Friends can only do so much for a person before that person has to step in and say ok i will now take responsilbity for myself and my actions and get cleaned out. Elvis didnt do that. He pushed all those close around him and who had been there with him for years away and was surrounded by strangers and yes men with him at the end.
    And its sad it went that way, thinking about elvis, how was was surrounded by mostley strangers in the end and all of the folks he knew like marty sonny red etc were all not there with him, even lamar was out doing his own thing.
    The fact is Elvis chose his own fate he thought he knew what was best for him. he couldve seen what he couldve done and what he couldve accomplished but for some reason he couldnt see no way out. I think he was fighting so called demons in his head wiht hte drugs, the career, his family, his personal life was all a wreck. His closest friends he felt had betrayed him he thought the end of his career was coming when they read the book. Can't imagine the stree the man mustve been going through during that last summer, he was nervous about facing the audience for that next tour affraid of how they would accept him after reading the book. Sadly he didnt have to go through with that as he went home before he had to face that obstacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col Jon Burrows View Post
    I know what you mean. The fact is Elvis is gone, they didn't save him when they wrote the book like that wanted to or so they say which i believe anyways.
    Friends can only do so much for a person before that person has to step in and say ok i will now take responsilbity for myself and my actions and get cleaned out. Elvis didnt do that. He pushed all those close around him and who had been there with him for years away and was surrounded by strangers and yes men with him at the end.
    And its sad it went that way, thinking about elvis, how was was surrounded by mostley strangers in the end and all of the folks he knew like marty sonny red etc were all not there with him, even lamar was out doing his own thing.
    The fact is Elvis chose his own fate he thought he knew what was best for him. he couldve seen what he couldve done and what he couldve accomplished but for some reason he couldnt see no way out. I think he was fighting so called demons in his head wiht hte drugs, the career, his family, his personal life was all a wreck. His closest friends he felt had betrayed him he thought the end of his career was coming when they read the book. Can't imagine the stree the man mustve been going through during that last summer, he was nervous about facing the audience for that next tour affraid of how they would accept him after reading the book. Sadly he didnt have to go through with that as he went home before he had to face that obstacle.
    I don't think when he started out in Sam Phillips studio in 1954 that he decided:
    "As soon as I hit it big I'm going let Parker run my music and movie career with an open hand because I am not secure in doing so, to then decide there is a pill or potion for all ills and get hooked on drugs, marry and divorce have a few years of triumph then kick off at 42"
    Life happened and he did not have all the answers at the start-we all pretty much make it up as we go along. He was no different-except his life was played out with the world watching everytime he scratched his rear or blew his nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KPM View Post
    I don't think when he started out in Sam Phillips studio in 1954 that he decided:
    "As soon as I hit it big I'm going let Parker run my music and movie career with an open hand because I am not secure in doing so, to then decide there is a pill or potion for all ills and get hooked on drugs, marry and divorce have a few years of triumph then kick off at 42"
    Life happened and he did not have all the answers at the start-we all pretty much make it up as we go along. He was no different-except his life was played out with the world watching everytime he scratched his rear or blew his nose.
    Agreed Ken i guess i shouldve chosen better words.
    He paid the price for his fame and fortune but as an Elvis fan for now i want to start focusing more on the good. you have those who will b**** you out for liking a concert from 1977 etc and say how we wear rose colored glasses. Well i think we focus so much on the bad stuff in his life we overlook the good stuff he left us to enjoy.
    "How do I get placed in situations like this? Ah hell, I guess it's all part of showbusiness "~ Elvis in his limo on his way to perform in Omaha, NE on June 19th 1977

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    He was there with Elvis for years, that's why! He knew Elvis better than most, if not all. If you don't believe Sonny was important to Elvis and his life, think again.



    Pointless reference. Sonny was younger than Elvis. What has Sonny's age got to do with anything?



    Sonny was one of the best friends Elvis ever had. And still is. To those of you carrying around some sort of grudge against him ... get over it! Sonny never did anything to you.



    And they provided him with comfort, friendship and amusement. It was a two-way street. Elvis used the MM as much as they used him.



    A free ride? Think again. You're only thinking of money here.



    Yes, the book should have ruined his life! He should have read it, got mad, and had his drug-taking, hypocritical life exposed for the whole world to see. It should have broken him down and reduced him to tears. He should have been embarrassed. None of his fans would have cared about the drugs, they only wanted him to get better. They would have waited for him to get his life back on track. What a pity he died before this all happened. Had the book had the desired effect, Elvis would still be with us!

    Yes, even the boys say the book was written partly from revenge and bitterness. You know .. you must know ... that these men had been dealing with an out of control drug addict for so long. They were no longer under his influence. They tried on dozens of occasions to get him off the drugs, to no avail. Sure, it was vengeful, but the book (as they said) should have been a wake up call.

    The only negative thing about the book is that it was published too late! Should've been published months earlier, and with a less tabloid journalist helming it.



    The Wests and Hebler made very little money from the book. That has been documented and confirmed.



    And I'm sure Elvis would have been the first person to forgive Red and Sonny and taken them back into the fold, although they would have been fools to go back into that lfie had Elvis lived beyond August 1977.

    Fact: Elvis firing the guys like he did was cowardly and just plain wrong. You can accuse Red, Sonny et al of being "bad friends" but that is exactly what Elvis was being at the time.

    As for Lisa, she may be Elvis' daughter. But, contrary to what some fans think, she didn't know her own father even half as well as the MM did. She was only nine when he died, and her own judgments on the MM are clouded by her vulture of a mother, an expert in brainwashing.

    The fact is, without the MM, you wouldn't have Elvis as he was. He would have been a very different person altogether.

    Finally, as much as some fans (thankfully, they are in the minority) won't admit it, but What Happened told the truth about Elvis' drug-taking, his life and the insanity that had enveloped him.
    Brilliant post. Could not have said it better!

  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by nyc View Post
    He had one foot in the grave by 1976. At that point, Elvis eventually killing himself with the drugs was inevitable. He needed a long stay in rehab - and a long stay in a hospital somewhere to deal with his various physical problems - before he could do anything circa 1976.

    Now if he'd made some lifestyle changes around 1968, on the other hand, he could have moved on to a new manager, hired professionals to handle his security and business affairs, and maybe spent some time developing relationships with contemporary musicians.

    IMO a big part of Elvis' eventual downfall was that his world was so insular.

    But then I think the relationship with the MM was adolescent and unhealthy (friends shouldn't be employers, period.).
    I Totally Agree!

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