Sandi Pichon story about elvis

[Unchained Melody]

As much as I would like to think that Elvis didn't enjoy his drugs, I can't say that. And it's also possible to need and enjoy a drug at the very same time. When I think back on the Palm Springs incident(was that 09/73?) where he and the young girl drank Hycodan from the bottle...to the point that she overdosed, I have to know that it was done for pleasure. From the bottle?????? I have never gone to anyone's house and had the host ask me if I would prefer beer, wine, scotch OR cough syrup. That was clearly recreational..

And did you know Elvis was going to make poor ol Charlie Hodge claim that girl as his date that night so Elvis wouldn't get in trouble had she died.. Yes folks.....

[cameron]

That was uncalled for Cameron.

The fact is Jak much of the stuff Elvis took was for his own pleasurel. The man had a PDR that was updated EVERY SINGLE MONTH. If that isn't someone who is obsessed with drugs then I don't know what is.

Whatever you think, Brad. jak seems able to take care of himself.

So glad you're an"Elvis fan". Otherwise, I'd hate to see what you think of him
.BTW: I have a PDR and have had one for years .{they're only updated yearly }

[cameron]

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Originally Posted by utmom2008
As much as I would like to think that Elvis didn't enjoy his drugs, I can't say that. And it's also possible to need and enjoy a drug at the very same time. When I think back on the Palm Springs incident(was that 09/73?) where he and the young girl drank Hycodan from the bottle...to the point that she overdosed, I have to know that it was done for pleasure. From the bottle?????? I have never gone to anyone's house and had the host ask me if I would prefer beer, wine, scotch OR cough syrup. That was clearly recreational..

And did you know Elvis was going to make poor ol Charlie Hodge claim that girl as his date that night so Elvis wouldn't get in trouble had she died.. Yes folks.....

Yep, that story IS in a few books.Who wrote them?

[Unchained Melody]

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Yep, that story IS in a few books.Who wrote them?

Pretty sure I read it in Down At The End Of Lonely Street; The Life And Death Of Elvis Presley written by Peter Brown and Pat Broeske.

[Unchained Melody]

Whatever you think, Brad. jak seems able to take care of himself.

So glad you're an"Elvis fan". Otherwise, I'd hate to see what you think of him

I can just look at the man without rose colored glasses (how many times have we heard that expression ) and accept the faults he had etc....

[cameron]

I can just look at the man without rose colored glasses (how many times have we heard that expression ) and accept the faults he had etc....

How many times have we decided to "drop that crap"?

[Unchained Melody]

How many times have we decided to "drop that crap"?

Til it starts to sink in

[cameron]

Til it starts to sink in

If only---people would get on Elvis sites to talk about Elvis, instead of each other !

[ehollier]

As much as I would like to think that Elvis didn't enjoy his drugs, I can't say that. And it's also possible to need and enjoy a drug at the very same time. When I think back on the Palm Springs incident(was that 09/73?) where he and the young girl drank Hycodan from the bottle...to the point that she overdosed, I have to know that it was done for pleasure. From the bottle?????? I have never gone to anyone's house and had the host ask me if I would prefer beer, wine, scotch OR cough syrup. That was clearly recreational..

Actually, I think the Hycodan happened at the end of Lake Tahoe engagement in 1971, which is very scary b/c if that date is correct, it would prove a very frightening pattern earlier than 1973, when it happened more than once.

[presley31]

Actually, I think the Hycodan happened at the end of Lake Tahoe engagement in 1971, which is very scary b/c if that date is correct, it would prove a very frightening pattern earlier than 1973, when it happened more than once.

Yep l saw that last night while l was reading revelations from the mm

[ehollier]

Cameron, you have given some very good examples of those around Elvis taking advantage of him, which I believe no one here would argue. The example of the racquetball fiasco is just one, of many examples. Another great example is the money he loaned to Dr. Nick. You are correct. There were some close to him that did take advantage of him. No doubt about it.

I think it would be safe in saying; however, that when it came to obtaining prescription drugs, Elvis had more than one doctor who was willing to accomodate him. There is concrete evidence of this. There is also evidence of Elvis taking crazy trips from Memphis to Palm Springs or Vegas to get prescriptions b/c he couldn't get them from Dr. Nick. There is also evidence of those demerol injections that he was getting on a pretty routine basis in 1973-74 that led to his hospital stay in Oct. 1974, where he was treated with methodone because of his addiction. This is substanciated by, not only his doctors in attendence, but also bills from those doctors and hospital records and also American Express bills for his flights cross-country.

I think it would be safe to say that if Elvis had the means and desire to fly across the country to obtain prescription drugs or demerol shots, there is not doubt that he had a problem. There is also some evidence of him recieving drugs at the Memphis airport from mysterious people who would be crazy enough to send drugs by plane. Even if this last statement is pure fiction, the fact that Elvis had a serious drug habit is quite evident.

To this end, I am trying to fit all of this regarding the drug abuse to your following quote from yesterday:

Maybe "discussed " wouldn't be the right word. . It was brought to others attention, but no one appreared to care .
IMO, we do a great disservice to anyone, if we don't look at the beginning of ones life before jumping to the end !
I'm busy today, but I'll try to find some of the "beginnings."

How does it fit into the equation of drug abuse? Was he not told by Gladys to avoid drugs? Were drugs a part of his younger life (doubtful since they were so poor.)? What do "beginnings" or looking at the "child" have to do with a 40 year old man taking enough drugs to overdose on more than one occasion? I am not trying to doubt your sincerity as a fan. When you make general and broad-based statements as you did yesterday afternoon, I am interested in how you come to your conclusions.

[presley31]

I was reading that elvis used to take his mother amphetamines( Dexedrine and Desbutals) and anita's tanning pills so l believe he was already enjoying what pills could do to you. Elvis used to take take them without her knowing.

[ehollier]

I was reading that elvis used to take his mother amphetamines pills and anita's tanning pills so l believe he was already enjoying what pills could do to you. Elvis used to take take them without her knowing.

I've read this also; however, I think that the general consensus is that the evidence of this is not very concrete.

[presley31]

I've read this also; however, I think that the general consensus is that the evidence of this is not very concrete.

Don't know but it was billy and lamer words, but billy does state that elvis biggest introduction to pills was the army.

[cameron]

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I think it would be safe in saying; however, that when it came to obtaining prescription drugs, Elvis had more than one doctor who was willing to accomodate him. There is concrete evidence of this. This is substanciated by, not only his doctors in attendence, but also bills from those doctors and hospital records and also American Express bills for his flights cross-country.

How does it fit into the equation of drug abuse? Was he not told by Gladys to avoid drugs? Were drugs a part of his younger life (doubtful since they were so poor.)? What do "beginnings" or looking at the "child" have to do with a 40 year old man taking enough drugs to overdose on more than one occasion? I am not trying to doubt your sincerity as a fan. When you make general and broad-based statements as you did yesterday afternoon, I am interested in how you come to your conclusions.

Really? His American Express card , doctor bills and hospital records ?
Amazing ! Perhaps you'd not mind showing copies of each?

As for Elvis' young life. IF you're not interested; I guess you will never know.
I've made my decisions. It's up to everyone to look for themselves IMO.
I don't see any " general or broad statements " except by a few others.
Think what you like.

[TotallyInsane]

I get so sick and tired of reading about the blessed drug use! Elvis Elvis Elvis used drugs while everyone else just sat around straight watching it all go down! Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the drugs that the MM took?????? There was one part I remember reading maybe in EWH - they would give him pills to knock him out so they could get back to the party with the girls! Anyone remember that????? Just not sure why if you're gonna tell a story you don't tell the WHOLE STORY!!!! Sorry - just had enough of the drug crap again and had to vent!

[ehollier]

Really? His American Express card , doctor bills and hospital records ?
Amazing ! Perhaps you'd not mind showing copies of each?

As for Elvis' young life. IF you're not interested; I guess you will never know.
I've made my decisions. It's up to everyone to look for themselves IMO.
I don't see any " general or broad statements " except by a few others.
Think what you like.

Cameron, when Peter Guarlnick wrote his 2-volume biography of Elvis, he was extremely meticulous in listing his sources and evidence to back up any claims such as the ones you have called into question. In his second volume, Careless Love, he is quite specific on his sources of these trips cross-country and drs. receipts for dates and drugs that were obtained.

Insofar as Elvis' young life, again, I point you to Guarlnick's first volume of his biography. I have read it several times and am quite stumped about your post above; however, I do not understand your comments regarding the following quote:

we do a great disservice to anyone, if we don't look at the beginning of ones life before jumping to the end ! I'm busy today, but I'll try to find some of the "beginnings."

so I am not sure what these "beginnings" (your term) have to do with his drug abuse in his adult years. Please do not accuse me of not being interested b/c if I had no interest in this, as if this were the case, I wouldn't be so adamant about getting you to explain yourself!! As far as your board-based comments, with the exception of your posts last evening where you provide us with information to back up your beliefs, are the only posts you have made on this thread that weren't broad-based. That is not an opinion, but a fact. If you can't explain yourself regarding the posted quotes without some silly answer, refrain from giving answers such as these b/c all they do is clutter up the board.

[cameron]

I get so sick and tired of reading about the blessed drug use! Elvis Elvis Elvis used drugs while everyone else just sat around straight watching it all go down! Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the drugs that the MM took?????? There was one part I remember reading maybe in EWH - they would give him pills to knock him out so they could get back to the party with the girls! Anyone remember that????? Just not sure why if you're gonna tell a story you don't tell the WHOLE STORY!!!! Sorry - just had enough of the drug crap again and had to vent!

I don't mind occasionally.
It just seems this has seeped into every thread lately !!
It's been acknowledged . NOW, WHAT ELSE DID ELVIS DO??
Surely, this wasn't what drew everyone to Elvis and caused a whole generation to love him !

I DO remember reading that Gail. Where the "guys" slipped him pills so he'd go to sleep and they could party . And, yes . I can't help but wonder how their memories are so sharp, as by their own admission--they were doing the same !

[cameron]

I think it would be safe in saying; however, that when it came to obtaining prescription drugs, Elvis had more than one doctor who was willing to accomodate him. There is concrete evidence of this. This is substanciated by, not only his doctors in attendence, but also bills from those doctors and hospital records and also American Express bills for his flights cross-country.

Again !! Please show YOUR PROOF !
And I DO read other things besides Peter Guarlnick !
More important IMO, I talk to the people that were around .
Not the MM.

[ehollier]

I get so sick and tired of reading about the blessed drug use! Elvis Elvis Elvis used drugs while everyone else just sat around straight watching it all go down! Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the drugs that the MM took?????? There was one part I remember reading maybe in EWH - they would give him pills to knock him out so they could get back to the party with the girls! Anyone remember that????? Just not sure why if you're gonna tell a story you don't tell the WHOLE STORY!!!! Sorry - just had enough of the drug crap again and had to vent!

I apologize for going on for so long about it. I don't think when the discussion began, it would just go on and on. Its very frustrating to have a discussion about this and it not touch off a few nerves.