This is a repeat of what you said before !Originally Posted by ehollier
Goodness, you don't look at the child , you judge his actions after .
I was curious to see if anyone rushed forward to point you toward people talking advantage of Elvis. You might start with Dr Nick, most all of the MM , Parker, his ex-wife , his girlfriends etc. etc. Just about everyone ! Yes, Elvis was a push -over ! I'll be back later .
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
This is the cop out.What does his being taken advantage of have to do with his painkillers?He needed them to ease mental stress?Elvis was on serious stuff as weve stated.Im just waiting for someone to tell me the justification for painkillers as powerfull as he took.There is none so I wont hold my breath.
Do we have to keep going on and on about the same thing/s?
People get hurt.
We love Elvis, please, can't we just leave it at that!
You DO have an obsession about drugs, don't you ?
I worry about you !
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
I realize that this was something that I posted elsewhere; however, it doesn't change the fact that Elvis' history, as it is documented, shows his repeated and successful attempts at doing what was in his best interest, personally and professionally.This is a repeat of what you said before !
Goodness, you don't look at the child , you judge his actions after .
I was curious to see if anyone rushed forward to point you toward people talking advantage of Elvis. You might start with Dr Nick, most all of the MM , Parker, his ex-wife , his girlfriends etc. etc. Just about everyone ! Yes, Elvis was a push -over ! I'll be back later .
Yes, his childhood was curious, beset with poverty, lonliness and an usually close relationship with this mother. I don't doubt that his parents did the best job as parents they could raising Elvis, and the loss of his mother was devastating and would have to rank as one of the life-changing events of his life. But none of this changes the fact that he avoided handling even the most insignificant problem in his life.
"More people today should see him not simply as a performer, but as an artist with a great soul."
John Bakke, professor emeritus
University of Memphis
There's not much point in going on as your mind is already made up.
Looking at Elvis through the years was an eye opener for me.
Some see it, some don't or won't ! I'm glad I took the time to sort it all out .
Maybe some day, more will !
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
I've found that the ones most interested in the "drugs" are the ones that want no part of the history of Elvis told.
It must be all his fault as everyone else is innocent and were "just trying to to help him !' What a crock !!
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
High blood pressure, which goes up under stress and tension (and which Dr. Nick says Elvis had for years) caused the veins in your body to constrict and the force of the blood pumped can put intense pressure on the veins. Thats why people have strokes etc....
The tiny veins in your nose are easily ruptured which can cause the nose bleeds.
I saw a man in a store I worked in suddenly rush to the water fountain and his nose was gushing blood everywhere. I got him some towels and asked what I could do-he said "my wife is over there somewhere her name is Betty in a brown coat tell her I'm bleeding again"
I found her and she told me "Hes having a terrible time with his blood pressure and this is the 3rd time in this last month this has happened"
That was 30 years ago, I was skeptical but now 30 years older I have a couple times got nose bleeds due to my blood pressure which has been a problem all my life. Nervous tense people-are high risk for this kind of thing thats me I guess.
Well my friend I see it that "none of them were doctors" none of them ever ran a medical test on him, none of them were examined with him, none of them were chemists or interns who had an inkling of what ailments he did or did not have-so IMO they could only guess also on the true medical condition of another person. ( sometimes doctors called in to help nail down a problem can not agree) I know they were around him and super close but there are some things they could not know and understand unless they were physicians I'm sure. Did Elvis abuse drugs-yes.
What did he truely need-I can not say. How severe was any pain he had from the conditions Dr. Nick says he was treating Elvis for arthritic neck and spine, sever congenital colon problem, ulcer, to name a few I have read I can not say. I do not know. How maddening it was to constantly have insomnia since a child for him I can not say-I just have no inkling-except by my experiences in my life, just as you go by yours.
I know the heavy drugs used are always suppose to be "reserved for cancer patients" but I don't know how many times I have posted from medical sites that that is not absolutly true. "Moderate to severe pain" is treated with both Dilaudid and Demerol for a variety of pain causes not just for severe cancer pain. That said- I am not saying anything Elvis had warranted such medications, nor that they were not addictive-but I am saying that no one else can know the extent of someone elses pain. If someone here has that ability they are missing their calling. No matter if you live with them 24/7.
I know you disagree and I would never try to anger you-but those are my heartfelt thoughts on this subject my friend.
I was polite in asking you to please explain what this means. Your answers are as follows:
This is a repeat of what you said before !
Goodness, you don't look at the child , you judge his actions after .
I was curious to see if anyone rushed forward to point you toward people talking advantage of Elvis. You might start with Dr Nick, most all of the MM , Parker, his ex-wife , his girlfriends etc. etc. Just about everyone ! Yes, Elvis was a push -overCameron, I'm not trying to pick on you. I was only trying to understand your point of view, and when respectfully asked to explain yourself, all you can write in post after post is, only meaningless rhetoric accusing of being narrow-minded and saying that my mind is already made up but you took time to sort it all out.There's not much point in going on as your mind is already made up.
Looking at Elvis through the years was an eye opener for me.
Some see it, some don't or won't ! I'm glad I took the time to sort it all out .
Maybe some day, more will !
"More people today should see him not simply as a performer, but as an artist with a great soul."
John Bakke, professor emeritus
University of Memphis
THIS IS ONLY A SMALL PART . IF I GET TIME, I"LL ADD MORE !
These stories are in books, but I figured you'd want "immedate proof."
http://www.elvisandyou.com/second_le...rityessay.html
Perhaps the major beneficiaries of Elvis largesse were the friends and family with whom he shared his life. Elvis' infamous entourage, the Memphis Mafia, received lavish gifts of cars, jewelry, houses, vacations, cash bonuses, weddings, and even surgery. Elvis paid for a nose job for George Klein, an intestinal bypass for Lamar Fike, a kidney transplant for his friend and producer Felton Jarvis, even a breast augmentation operation for one of the Mafia wives (upon her husband's request).
http://home.online.no/~ov-egela/index76.html
On July 13th Vernon fired Dave Hebler, Sonny and Red West. They were fired because of the trouble they had caused for Elvis. Several times they had been rough on people, and this caused lawsuits against Elvis.
PRESLEY CENTER COURTS
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/auction_banners.html
In 1976 Elvis Presley entered in to his sole business venture and investment – The Presley Center Courts Racquet Ball Club in Memphis Tennessee. Land was purchased in Memphis with plans to open also in Nashville and across the USA, a very important ‘out of music’ investment.
The Bank of Commerce in Memphis appears to have placed a first charge on Graceland to secure construction financing. As Elvis’s close friends, known as the ‘Memphis Mafia’, arranged for their contractor, designers and experts in the field of tennis and racquet ball courts, construction bit into some one million dollars plus – before even braking ground! Both Elvis and Col. Parker became alarmed, far away in Bel Aire, California.
Upon Elvis giving his blessing to this project private investors started buying in. Some of Elvis’s cousins and close friends mortgaged their homes to become involved.
As time went by costs are believed to have passed four million dollars and Elvis was in fear of losing his beloved Graceland until he paid back the bank.Within just seven days the truth was out. Calhoun and Parker pulled out their investment, while Elvis was obligated to repay the Bank of Commerce over one and a half million dollars.
Bad feeling were escalated and Elvis would close ranks to just the chosen few in his “Memphis Mafia” circle.
Last edited by cameron; 06-20-2008 at 05:38 PM.
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
I Do have a few things to do not connected to Elvis.
As I run onto more; I'll post them.
This page is from T&C's book. The Death of Elvis.
http://www.colonelparker.com/review12.htm
Mired in money troubles in '77
Yet, when Elvis left the building on August 16, 1977, he was mired in financial quagmires, and sometimes resorted to mortgaging Graceland to make his payroll. Colonel Tom Parker, Presley's manager, advanced the estate $1 million to make it look as if Elvis had some cash in his depleted checking account. In truth, the singer's years of gargantuan spending sprees had left him strapped, as had his 1973 divorce from his wife, Priscilla. But Presley's biggest financial liability was Parker himself, who systematically siphoned off far more than the usual 15 to 25 percent of his client's earnings. By the late '60s, Parker had forced Presley into a contracted 50/50 split. But through double dipping, the Colonel got his 50 percent and all but about 22 percent of Elvis' half, too.
Parker had always figured out a way to make more money than his client, whether through song publishing, souvenirs, or side deals with Presley's record company and movie studios. Then, when he formed Boxcar, a merchandising company, with Presley in the early '70s, he took 56 percent control, apart from his 50 percent commission. Some estimates have concluded that the Colonel wound up with nearly 78 percent of Elvis' name and likeness -- a highly valuable commodity, considering Presley's obviously failing health.
No wonder Mike Stoller, the co-writer of many Presley hits, says, "The Colonel's only interest was the Colonel's. Elvis was merely a vehicle for the Colonel's greed."
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
Elvis was the one obsessed by drugs not me.No need to worry about me.I havent even tried pot yetYou DO have an obsession about drugs, don't you ?
I worry about you !
Youre comment is without any merit at all.I realize you like to ignore the drug issue.However it became the most prevelant issue in his life.It's hard to leave that out of Elvis' story.
Ken
Those around Elvis would have had far greater insight to his problems that we do.They would have known if Elvis had serious issues.Im going to have a hard time expressing this next comment.To me Elvis was like a child.He was somewhat of a big baby if you will.I think if he had serious legitamate health issues that warranted those drugs he would have let everyone know.He wasnt the type to suck it up and go it alone.I always maintain that Elvis got hooke don drugs just because his recreational use spiraled out of control.It's just that simple.
COMBINED DRUG INTOXICATION
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_Drug_Intake
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
http://www.time.com/time/community/t...ttr081198.html
mjon_79 asks: Mr. Chadwick, Elvis Presley's death was and still is somewhat of a mystery. We the public have been told many different and sometimes controversial stories. Exactly how did he die and under what circumstances?
Vernon Chadwick: That's a very good question, and we do not have all the information for a definitive answer. The technical answer is that Elvis died of not only cardiac arrhythmia but also from the mixing of incompatible drugs. Obviously, Elvis was a very ill man in the last years of his life. And we are now in the position to know that Elvis' heart disease, enlarged colon and other ailments were in part due to chronic substance abuse over several years, probably most of the 1970s. But our conference is unique in that we are exploring the larger psychological issues surrounding Elvis' death., and finally breaking out of the simplistic explanation of drug addiction and looking at the larger picture of Elvis' mental health throughout his life,
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
As much as I would like to think that Elvis didn't enjoy his drugs, I can't say that. And it's also possible to need and enjoy a drug at the very same time. When I think back on the Palm Springs incident(was that 09/73?) where he and the young girl drank Hycodan from the bottle...to the point that she overdosed, I have to know that it was done for pleasure. From the bottle?????? I have never gone to anyone's house and had the host ask me if I would prefer beer, wine, scotch OR cough syrup. That was clearly recreational..
He needed them for mental stress...and it numbed him and he love it because he hated dealing with issues as we can tell from his life and the drugs as ive said before were his escape.
"How do I get placed in situations like this? Ah hell, I guess it's all part of showbusiness "~ Elvis in his limo on his way to perform in Omaha, NE on June 19th 1977
That was uncalled for Cameron.You DO have an obsession about drugs, don't you ?
I worry about you !
The fact is Jak much of the stuff Elvis took was for his own pleasurel. The man had a PDR that was updated EVERY SINGLE MONTH. If that isn't someone who is obsessed with drugs then I don't know what is.
"How do I get placed in situations like this? Ah hell, I guess it's all part of showbusiness "~ Elvis in his limo on his way to perform in Omaha, NE on June 19th 1977
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