Hi
i have a question that i thought i'd raise. A while ago i asked about posting a pic from Ebay that had sample written across it and was told they saw no problem with me posting it as long as i took out the word sample.
So i've been doing that and trying to remember to post my source as Ebay with the pics. ( i do forget once in a while) I'm only human.
But Kenny pointed out something i don't think anyone has thought of as i know I'm not the only one who posts pics from Ebay. He told me "You did not give credit to the ebay seller on the Houston 1974 candid you posted." And it's a good point.
So should we just leave the Ebay pics alone and not post them?
Or should we credit the seller and the source?
I want to do the right thing. What do others think
Last edited by hounddog; 05-10-2008 at 05:53 PM.
I usually just write on the description of the picture if I've found it on ebay.
I don't write the name of the owner...I think that when you put a sample on ebay you have to count the fact that it can be posted somewhere else. Usually rare pics have "sample" written on it...what's the problem?I'm not posting the original one in the clear quality
I don't know...sometimes I think it would be so great to share pictures in a free way
I think that sounds as best as you can do. As i thought of another issue with ebay pics you cannot be sure that the person selling it on ebay owns the copyright.
As far as i am concerned we should avoid using pictures from ebay with the writing across e.g. Sample.
There are many thousands of photo's out and about these days and personally I believe there is little reason to post an Image of poor quality unless it is extremely rare! The minimum spec should be 400 x 400mm and as clear as possible.
I realise that there is an urge to post pictures from other sites that are rare, new or good quality, however there are people out there who have paid large sums of money to be able to show these pictures to the fans on their site.
We at TCB World have a large picture database which we are proud of, we thank all those people who contribute to one of the largest collections on-line but would just ask that before you upload an Image to just think about the following:-
Would I be happy if the picture was mine and someone else was putting it on another site?
Is the picture rare or of such significance that I need to post it?
Is the picture already posted?
Is the picture quality acceptable?
"I realise that there is an urge to post pictures from other sites that are rare, new or good quality, however there are people out there who have paid large sums of money to be able to show these pictures to the fans on their site."
That's a very good point. I guess we need to really debate this issue as new points get raised like ebay buyers using there purchses on there site. i would do that if i had a site.
"There are many thousands of photo's out and about these days and personally I believe there is little reason to post an Image of poor quality unless it is extremely rare!"
How can you tell if it's rare? Is there certain things that make it clear? I'm not sure? I know some of the pics on Ebay aren't as rare as they'd like people to believe.
I'm happy to go with what ever the moderators decide in regaurds to Ebay pics
I always try to post new pics or pics in a better qualityIf a put a small one is because I've never seen it
To be honest when you find them on internet it's hard to know who is the owner 'cause they can be posted in million sites, going from site to site
Everyone can see this gallery and I'm sure many people use the pics we post for others sites...to be honest, I can be only proud of it.
I have many pics in my books and I'm sure many other spends money to buy books or magazines with new pics of Elvis...if I buy them and if I find new pictures I'm glad to share them with others with my same passion
I think there are many persons here who can't buy a lot of stuff or that live in countries where Elvis is popular but where it's hard to find pictures, books and so on.
I have friends in USA who send me stuff, pictures too....I'm always happy to share them
Many persons can buy the same rare picture or can have it...how can you be sure about its origin?
This is the reason why many of us have to share pics also by PM with trusted people...so we can be sure not to have problems with anyone who claime to OWN that picture.
Moreover I've found on the net so many common pics with the mark on....how can it be possible?
Sorry, but I wouldn't have any problem to see my rare pictures somewhere else because the truth is that NOTHING IS MINE...but this is my personal opinion.
If you put "sample" or something similar on a picture it's already enough to preserve your "rights" because that picture is ruined in a sort of way...but what a shame
We are all Elvis fans
I agree with you . No one "owns" Elvis . It's all meant to be shared .Originally Posted by ForeverTheKing
Sorry, but I wouldn't have any problem to see my rare pictures somewhere else because the truth is that NOTHING IS MINE...but this is my personal opinion.
We are all Elvis fans
It's just too bad some still like to make money off of him.
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
ForeverTheKing,I always try to post new pics or pics in a better quality
To be honest when you find them on internet it's hard to know who is the owner 'cause they can be posted in million sites, going from site to site
Everyone can see this gallery and I'm sure many people use the pics we post for others sites...to be honest, I can be only proud of it.
I have many pics in my books and I'm sure many other spends money to buy books or magazines with new pics of Elvis...if I buy them and if I find new pictures I'm glad to share them with others with my same passion
I think there are many persons here who can't buy a lot of stuff or that live in countries where Elvis is popular but where it's hard to find pictures, books and so on.
I have friends in USA who send me stuff, pictures too....I'm always happy to share them
Many persons can buy the same rare picture or can have it...how can you be sure about its origin?
This is the reason why many of us have to share pics also by PM with trusted people...so we can be sure not to have problems with anyone who claime to OWN that picture.
Moreover I've found on the net so many common pics with the mark on....how can it be possible?
Sorry, but I wouldn't have any problem to see my rare pictures somewhere else because the truth is that NOTHING IS MINE...but this is my personal opinion.
If you put "sample" or something similar on a picture it's already enough to preserve your "rights" because that picture is ruined in a sort of way...but what a shame
We are all Elvis fans
I am grateful for the images you post and understand how you feel. You are one of the select few who post many great pictures and the above comments are not directly aimed at you.
I understand how you feel about people putting watermarks on photo's etc but I also understand how how people feel when they have spent large sums of money to buy rare or good quality photo's only to find days later that Image is posted on many sites....
I'm not suggesting for one minute that many Images cannot be found around the world! However there are a small number of sites out there that post good quality Images, by and large the Elvis photo community is quite small, a great many of us frequent the same sites and are aware of who has posted what and where.
I'm sure many of us know of Kenny on The Kings Court, he has a vast collection of photo's which he shares quite openly, I understand how he feels when he comes over here to find someone has copied one of his shots and posted over here only hours later! I believe we should be fair and honest and should where we can give credit to people when possible.
IMO, IF you know who or where a picture came from; the person should be recognized as the contributor. I was just never one that believed in spending large sums of money on anything . Of course, I'm not a "collector" of anything material--just people . I find people interesting.
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
I believe your comments to be disingenuous, the comment "It's all meant to be shared" is simply a ludicrous statement! Elvis is owned by EPE, they are a business, Elvis has been an industry as far back as 1950's. The photo world is no different, the Images of Elvis are owned by the copyright owner who either find the task of making sure the image rights are preserved too onerous or simply turn a blind eye to those who do not make a living from the images uploaded.I agree with you . No one "owns" Elvis . It's all meant to be shared .
It's just too bad some still like to make money off of him.
At the other end of the spectrum you have collectors and dealers, there is sufficient demand for this industry to cater for those who wish to collect rare or high quality Images. Should those Images that you have spent large sums of money become freely available on the internet you not only undermine your collection, you stop those dealers out there who have rare and high quality Images from selling.
There are those individual who are happy to share and upload Images and we should be grateful that they do, on the other hand you can understand why others don't. I don't see people who don't share or upload their collections as bad people, just people who want to limit exposure.
There is more than just the internet as a medium to enjoy photographs of Elvis, I have many thousands of rare or unpublished Images of Elvis in my collection. I don't keep them locked away from fans because I am selfish (I have shown many fans in person), I have made honorable friendships with fans who wish not to dilute their collection or memories across a medium they cannot control, I consider myself honored that some individuals will share their collection with me.
Once a picture is uploaded on to the world wide web, I agree that it basically becomes public property and the Image will be duplicated across the world and be downloaded and printed etc. There are those people who have uploaded Images without watermarks only to find that unscrupulous people will take that Image as there own and post it all over the web until that Image is no longer rare but the opposite. We may not like watermarked Images but they do stop multiplication.
I do see a day when there will be far fewer rare pictures. The last 3-5 years has seen an avalanche of Images being uploaded from various sources some of which I have in my collection and were considered rare just 12 month's ago.
I certainly don't wish for there to be an us and them situation, but I do believe there should be loyalty to the sites we visit and not re-post Images hours after they have been uploaded.
I agree Mattso this is what I meant before. How can we be totally sure pictures are ours??
I spend money too for books and magazines here and usually there are pics I've never seen before...I'm sure someone has them in his collection too but I feel free to post them here
"sometimes I use pics I have at home and people on the net says that picture was taken from their sites"
I have had that occur as well. i just tell them what my source was , name of book etc.
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/sho...&searchid=9610
"Sorry, but I wouldn't have any problem to see my rare pictures somewhere else because the truth is that NOTHING IS MINE...but this is my personal opinion." I know my pics have been posted on other sites cause i have seen them. But how do i know whether they own the same book as i do. And it doesn't bother me that much as i didn't take the pic
Also after my recent conflict with Kenny here i do not feel i cannot swap pics with others. If i had the details of the person i would pass them on to him, because if they've taken images from his site they probably have taken them from other sites as well. But i did the swap over a year ago and i just don't keep my email that long.
Maybe i'm just to trusting, another element is excitment "yeah sure i'll swap that pic for that one" you get excited with something new. I also know now cause i did a search for the pic that is in question with Kenny and me has been posted here before. Once by me (i hate doubling up) http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/sho...&searchid=9608
and about a year ago
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/sho...&searchid=9608
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I'm left wondering did they take the pic from Kenny's site or from here or were they quite honest and it is in fact in their collection. i guess i was a bit niave.
I have removed the pics of the black way down suit that i can remember that i swapped with the person who gave me the chinese dragon pic cause i just don't trust them. i'm waiting to hear from Kenny about removing the pic that's in question here. If anyone see's any questionable please pics that i've posted let me know. I do not want to post pics that are somoene's elses. I swapped a lot of pics with this guy so please let me knowif he's taken your pics and passed them onto me and i shall remove the offending image. He mostly sent me pics from 1972 though to 1975.
It's hard cause I try to remember to list my sources, i was even listing the books the pic came from at one point. I've asked permission from the sites that i post from like www.elvis-friends.it, www.elispresley.ru, www.presleyworld.com, www.elvisphotos2001.com and i can't rember the url for the one in Brazil (i have their url in the pic info). Plus three or four other site who i can't remember at this point who have given me permission to use their images but like the Brazil site i place there url in the image info so it reminds me to lsit them as the source.
I have found most people are surprised to be asked and that someone will list there site as the source.
I feel that Ebay may be a thing i'll just decide to stay away from cause it's to difficult.
As for swapping pics geez, don't think i'll be doing that again after this.
Last edited by hounddog; 05-11-2008 at 09:31 PM.
Whatever you think, JJ. You always think I'm ludicrous. I can handle it.
I don't "borrow" anything unless I thank the person it belongs to and/or give them credit.
But, you can be sure--I don't charge anyone a thing for anything either !
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
The feeling is obviously mutual on your behalfWhatever you think, JJ. You always think I'm ludicrous. I can handle it.
I would hazard a guess that if you don't buy Images you would be amazed at what photo's people have in their collections! I for one am eternally grateful for those collectors who are willing to share their collection for a minimal feeYou can be sure--I don't charge anyone a thing for anything either !
I suppose it is horses for courses with regards to how people collect and it wouldn't do for us all to be the same. I don't have posters, ornaments, figurines, or wall to wall nic nacs in my house. I do have a moderate DVD, FTD and CD collection but my passion is my photo collection, I'm pretty passionate about my collection and have been known to spend a lot of money in the pursuit of rare or unseen photo's.
The photo's of the American Eagle Jumpsuit released by FTD recently prove that good quality images from over 30 years ago were and are available in collections throughout the world, they are public domain now, I suppose everything comes to he who waits...... However I can tell you from personal experience there are thousands more awesome pictures yet to be released into the public domain
I can totally understand why many collectors today are hesitant to sell photographs or share photographs.
I cannot count the number of times I've seen a beautiful photo posted on a web site, then just days later find it appearing on someone's cd cover or wallpaper design without any credit to the photographer or source of it.
Collecting photos was always a fun and enjoyable hobby for me, and even though I pretty much gave it up over the last couple of years, I've began getting back in to it. One thing I see that's changed since I was involved in buying and trading for photos is that many collectors are hesitant to do so, and I honestly can't blame them whatsoever.
There are several longtime collectors (who have huge amounts of rare-never seen photos) that I have obtained images from, and I always agreed to never use them or post them on a forum gallery without their consent. Only on several occasions did I ever wish to use any of the images, and after consulting with them, I was given their blessing.
Therefore, the bottom line is this - honor the wishes of the collector of whom you deal with (or the original photographer), and everything will be a lot better for everyone.
"Don't tamper with the property of the U.S. Male"
I don't buy much of anything Elvis. For me I was just always interested in the man---and that's not for sale. But, I've met all kinds of collectors. To each his own.The feeling is obviously mutual on your behalf
I would hazard a guess that if you don't buy Images you would be amazed at what photo's people have in their collections! I for one am eternally grateful for those collectors who are willing to share their collection for a minimal fee
The feeling may be mutual, but it's me that would get into trouble if I said anything like that .
"I have learned never to ridicule any man's opinion, however strange it may seem."
My quote was "The feeling is obviously mutual on your behalf" meaning that is how you felt not I!I don't buy much of anything Elvis. For me I was just always interested in the man---and that's not for sale. But, I've met all kinds of collectors. To each his own.
The feeling may be mutual, but it's me that would get into trouble if I said anything like that .
The prior statement I made was. ...It's all meant to be shared "is simply a ludicrous statement!" Can you see? The STATEMENT was ludicrous NOT the person.
You are the one who appears to makes things personal! You make statements and when a rebuttal is given you immediately go on the defensive. As you can see from my comments I have put forward a substantive and IMO balanced view of the statements you and others have made. If this is not the case I invite yourself and others to point to where I have attacked anyone. (note: I haven't edited any of my earlier posts) If it is found that I have attacked anyone, I will publicly apologize to those individuals.
I just don't understand why you have to put forward negative connotations. You automatically assume that people are attacking you as an individual, it simply is just not the case.
I'm sure you will see this as another attack although it isn't, just an observation
i used to list what book pics came from, but i stopped. Do you think i/we should be list books pics came from?
I think with copyright laws it's only if you use more than 10% you have to acknowledge source so i try to keep under that amount
But does any one know what's right in that area?
Just a little freak out about it so i thought i'd ask.
Last edited by hounddog; 05-12-2008 at 06:58 PM. Reason: typo,
IMO, IF you know who or where a picture came from; the person should be recognized as the contributor. I was just never one that believed in spending large sums of money on anything . Of course, I'm not a "collector" of anything material--just people . I find people interesting.
Cameron -
You collect people????? I'm curious - do you put them on shelves or hang them on the wall to show off your collection?
Forever Best Friends
Cameron -
You collect people????? I'm curious - do you put them on shelves or hang them on the wall to show off your collection?
Maybe they are bought off of Ebay...
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