Reply With QuoteI know! What a waste!!!Originally Posted by Joe Car
Even if they hadn't planned on it, surely a few days into the engagement (and the press/critic/fan response) should have told them it was worth bringing in some cameras.
A crying shame.
What's a bigger sin in my opinion, is why his return to live concerts in Vegas of 69 wasn't pro-shot, even the press conference at least.
I know! What a waste!!!
Even if they hadn't planned on it, surely a few days into the engagement (and the press/critic/fan response) should have told them it was worth bringing in some cameras.
A crying shame.
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
Your source for this, please?
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
Source: about 50 books. Also, sometimes at Graceland they would showed that video and it says the Video is used by permission from ABC. Please, read about Madison Square Garden in Elvis Day By Day. I quote "About 6 minutes worth was shot was ABC and is the only known footage of Elvis filmed by a TV crew. Other footage may exist."
Also, even a site that you posted on here: www.msg1972.com which tells what you need to know about MSG. Go to this link http://www.msg1972.com/Excerpts.htm and find the following:
Again, for some reason they have the no sound one but I have the one with sound on three dvds that I have but the sound is bad on it. But on six other DVDs I have it has no sound to it. Also, on the same site is the following when reading abotu Footage Review " With the footage mentioned last, it does not concern the usual 8mm-Material, but these are obviously moderate copies of the material filmed at that time by ABC." On the same site again, it tells about all the DVDs with MSG footage on them. On Bob Heis Video it says: MSG Opening Night (ABC).
That is my source as I have provided on the site that you yourself has posted on this thread. So it was filmed by ABC and by your own words which I am quoting: "If MGM or CBS or a local TV crew didn't film a show ... then it is not professional footage!" So that means that MSG filmed by ABC is professional footage going by your own words.
Fifty books? Hardly.
And which version of Day By Day are you referencing?
And I never said www.msg1972.com was without flaws ...
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
Fifty Books is about right which all are not Elvis. About ten are books by ABC and their history and footage they filmed over the years. These are the same books but different titles or different covers with the same title. Page 130 is Elvis MSG.
Other books tells about concerts of different musicians, other books is about ABC company, some are on MSG itself, some are Elvis which tells about that footage. They all say the same thing. Filmed by ABC.
My Elvis Day By Day Book came out about three years ago and goes from when Elvis first started his career to the day he died. It includes the listing of his August and September dates to about 1985 with various releases. It tells about the MSG concerts with the suits that he wore, the footage of the press conference and the footage filmed by ABC. And about the MSG site, I would say to much about what you said over on FECC. They discuss that footage over there and they all said it was filmed by ABC.
I am registered on FECC, but I have never posted there. I have been reading that pro-shot thread with great interest though.
My version of Guralnick's Day By Day (the latest one) makes no mention of MSG being filmed by a TV crew.
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
That is not the book I have. Also, the one you have is not the best book in the world either. Alot of mistakes are in that book. My book only has a few mistakes in it but that is of misspelled words and that is it.
My mentions in the porfessional footage that was filmed by MGM and the footage of 68, Aloha, and EIC and where they was filmed at in the back of the book. For Elvis On Tour, it lists Jacksonville, FL as being filmed but only the evening show.
As for TTWII, we truely don't know what was filmed and what wasn't. August 15 show was filmed so you forgot that on your list since it is on the Volume 11 DVD of the outtakes with dubbed sound to it. MGM was there during the whole seaon of the Vegas engagement so we don't know what was filmed. Also, we don't know what the Hilton filmed either since they had their own camera that records in the showroom. The footage wouldn't be classify by you as professional because it wasn't filmed by a movie company or TV crew. But it is consider as professional footage since it wasn't filmed by using either 16mm or 8mm. It was feed to a video-tape player. What was recorded on that, we will never know that.
MSG site info comes from various sources including some members from FECC. The footage is listed on several documentaries that is based on Elvis as being filmed by ABC. It even says used with permission. ABC shows that footage each time January 8 and August 16 comes around. They even says when showing it "From ABC Vaults" or "ABC footage". Again, why would they say this if it wasn't filmed by ABC?
Well, that's one glaring error right there - Jacksonville was not filmed.
There is no evidence to suggest that the Hilton camera, if it did exist, was the type of camera that recorded something permanently. As discussed elsewhere, it may have been a non-recording video link from the stage to the dressing room, similar to CCTV, that was never kept.
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
I did not include this date on the list, as only the suppliers of these DVDs (which I have) say that the footage (with no sound) is from the 15th. And suppliers of some compilation DVDs as well.
Other sources, eg the Sessions books etc do not list the 15th. I may be wrong, but I'll go with those for now.
Last edited by Getlo; 12-11-2007 at 09:22 AM.
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
Why dont you take a look at this qoute from the import CD booklet Let It be me?
There were a few shows we ended up in the balcony looking at a huge camera in the centre of the balcony, sometimes manned, sometimes not - will we ever see any film one day from that season? Your geuss is as good as mine - but i do know for a fact that some film was shot.
Sessions books has alot of mistakes in them so I wouldn't go by those books. Elvis Day By Day lists the 15th. Also, by the other dates contains a question mark by them because we don't know what is available in those outtakes. As for the camera. Staff members who used to work at the Hilton has said over the years there was one there hanging from the ceiling and it did record too. I know a person who used to work there from 1969 to 1983. He can comfirmed this because he used to run it. The camera is mentioned in several import release booklets including Let It Be Me that omnipresence just quoted. Also, footage of other people concerts there during 1973 to 1974 you can see the camera clear as day.
All this arguing over a possible 6 minutes of poor quality, no sound footage at MSG shot by ABC??? 6 frigin' minutes!?!?! I'd rather watch paint dry.
None of which goes to support your belief that Jacksonville was filmed. What is your evidence for such a claim, when all reliable sources have only four shows being filmed, none from Jacksonville (aside from some limo and hotel footage of course).
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
If you're talking about the Cotten version of Day By Day, then I beg to differ. Unless there's a third book with this title?
Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
Concerning the Vegas 14th, 1970 midnight show, though you can hear Elvis mentioning cameras on Polk Salad Annie if I remember correctly. To my knowledge only audience footage was shot there, so goes the story anyway.
To be honest I never really believed that, since it was one of the better concerts from that season!
Sonny
Elvis Day By Day says that Jacksonville was filmed. Also, four shows. That is also wrong. Buffalo (1), Hampton Roads AS (2), Hampton Roads ES (3), Richmond (4), Greensboro (5), Jacksonville ES (6), and San Antonion (7). That is going by Elvis Day By Day book that is in my hands right now.
Last edited by thehillbillycat; 12-11-2007 at 12:31 PM.
There is five book titles to Elvis Day By Day. Three of them has mistakes throughout the books and Cotten is one of them.
Also, Detroit was also filmed but it is not mentioned in the books. I don't know why it is not listed. And if you want proof of that, watch See See Rider on Elvis Through My Eyes Disc 1 and watch the band members outfits change colors from Light Blue to a Dark Color. So that means 8 shows filmed. Band Members dark color suits at the San Antonio concert while wore a light bluish color at Detroit.
Now, that has been discussed on here and also on FECC and the same answer came up. See See Rider is a mixture of San Antonio and Detroit.
Last edited by thehillbillycat; 12-11-2007 at 12:41 PM.
The film from the airport in Inday on June 26, 1977 looks pro shot to me. What really blew me away was when more of this surfaced a year or so ago. Showing Todd Slaughter talking to Elvis. Really cool. Though I must admit on one of the dvds it was on was a downer because the quality sucked but luckily I have been able to locate alot better footage of that now
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