The Elvis weight/apearance debate ... a continuation

[COL DRIES]

Have You Guys Seen The Show Of Kansa.........oh Sorry ...wrong Thread !!

[KPM]

I think youre right about the betraying part.His fans are so loyal I just dont think they can bring themselves to critisize him in any way no matter what youre talking about.I was the same way at one time.Being a loyal fan is great,but it shouldnt cloud youre judgement.
Jak

IMO I also think a modem of understanding is always in order. It is afterall- someone elses life we talk about. A life that would be so foreign to the bulk of us on every level imaginable. Very few people critisized him to his face-when it might have helped. IMO Now, without him to face, its easy to write books and give interviews which break him down to the lowest common denominator. Where is a little understanding for him the human being? I can not stress that enough.
I have made my views pretty clear about how much good can come from just plain trying to understand something or someone. We all make mistakes, we all screw up, and those mistakes are not the same from person to person. On the surface I might look at a big mess in someones elses life and go: "Man what were you thinking" but I would have very little understanding of the true situation.
You can read a book about someones life and never really get it all. For every word written there are thousands which are left unsaid, unknown, even to the closest of persons. My wife and I have been married almost 35 years and there are things she does not know about me, and she knows me better than anyone on earth.
I see nothing wrong in adding some understanding thoughts about someone who screws up big time-while being critical. You can say what you think was the problem-but you might have it 360% wrong. You can say what you might have done-but you can have it 360% wrong. His talent and charisma were unique-and so was the rest of his life as it played out. IMO Why it went as it did (No matter how many books we read or people we talk with) is just an educated guess.
I have never worn the much spoke of rose colored glasses-though I'm sure some will accuse me of it.

[Diane]

I know some of his performances from about '74 on were not as good as what fans were used to but even his extra weight in '75 didn't look unhealthy and he seemed to have a lot of fun judging from pictures of that year. I would loved to have seen one of his concerts then.

I would still have gone to see him in the last two years but I know I would probably have cried all the way home.

Diane

[utmom2008]

IMO I also think a modem of understanding is always in order. It is afterall- someone elses life we talk about. A life that would be so foreign to the bulk of us on every level imaginable. Very few people critisized him to his face-when it might have helped. IMO Now, without him to face, its easy to write books and give interviews which break him down to the lowest common denominator. Where is a little understanding for him the human being? I can not stress that enough.
I have made my views pretty clear about how much good can come from just plain trying to understand something or someone. We all make mistakes, we all screw up, and those mistakes are not the same from person to person. On the surface I might look at a big mess in someones elses life and go: "Man what were you thinking" but I would have very little understanding of the true situation.
You can read a book about someones life and never really get it all. For every word written there are thousands which are left unsaid, unknown, even to the closest of persons. My wife and I have been married almost 35 years and there are things she does not know about me, and she knows me better than anyone on earth.
I see nothing wrong in adding some understanding thoughts about someone who screws up big time-while being critical. You can say what you think was the problem-but you might have it 360% wrong. You can say what you might have done-but you can have it 360% wrong. His talent and charisma were unique-and so was the rest of his life as it played out. IMO Why it went as it did (No matter how many books we read or people we talk with) is just an educated guess.
I have never worn the much spoke of rose colored glasses-though I'm sure some will accuse me of it.

You are so right KPM...it is so easy to second-guess others and their mistakes. After all, hindsight is 20/20 right? I sure hope that after I've been gone for 30 years people are not still sitting around discussing what went wrong with my life. No matter how well someone knows you they never know 100% what is going on in your life. I've been married almost 29 years, my hubby knows me forwards and backwards, but he can't always know what thoughts are in my head. That is what makes each one of us unique and individual. Elvis was certainly unique, but at the end of the day he was still a human being. A human being with flaws and inner deamons, and lots and lots of talent and charisma.

[jak]

I know some of his performances from about '74 on were not as good as what fans were used to but even his extra weight in '75 didn't look unhealthy and he seemed to have a lot of fun judging from pictures of that year. I would loved to have seen one of his concerts then.

I would still have gone to see him in the last two years but I know I would probably have cried all the way home.

Diane

Elvis gave some really good shows in 75.He was in much better spirits than 74.His shows were very entertaining and he truly seemed to be enjoying himself on stage again.This in spite of packing on some extra pounds.He just seemed happier in many of the 75 shows.
Jak

[cameron]

IMO I also think a modem of understanding is always in order. It is afterall- someone elses life we talk about. A life that would be so foreign to the bulk of us on every level imaginable. Very few people critisized him to his face-when it might have helped. IMO Now, without him to face, its easy to write books and give interviews which break him down to the lowest common denominator. Where is a little understanding for him the human being? I can not stress that enough.
I have made my views pretty clear about how much good can come from just plain trying to understand something or someone. We all make mistakes, we all screw up, and those mistakes are not the same from person to person. On the surface I might look at a big mess in someones elses life and go: "Man what were you thinking" but I would have very little understanding of the true situation.
.You can read a book about someones life and never really get it all. For every word written there are thousands which are left unsaid, unknown, even to the closest of persons My wife and I have been married almost 35 years and there are things she does not know about me, and she knows me better than anyone on earth.
I see nothing wrong in adding some understanding thoughts about someone who screws up big time-while being critical. You can say what you think was the problem-but you might have it 360% wrong. You can say what you might have done-but you can have it 360% wrong. His talent and charisma were unique-and so was the rest of his life as it played out. IMO Why it went as it did (No matter how many books we read or people we talk with) is just an educated guess.
I have never worn the much spoke of rose colored glasses-though I'm sure some will accuse me of it.

Since I do not debate I can only say; you've said it best, IMO. Thank you.
Compassion for any soul is better than degrading.

[john carpenter]

In my humble opinion if Elvis wieghed 1000 pounds and he got up on stage and tried to please his fans (not the colonel) then that's all that matters. But, the fans would've understood if Elvis said "He guys i need a break to get my drug dependency under control and to lose 70 LBS. then he would have lived longer ..maybe. And any 40 something Man (including myself) needs a complete medical checkup. If Elvis did that then we wouldn't argue about his weight would we?

[elvisville]

In my humble opinion if Elvis wieghed 1000 pounds and he got up on stage and tried to please his fans (not the colonel) then that's all that matters. But, the fans would've understood if Elvis said "He guys i need a break to get my drug dependency under control and to lose 70 LBS. then he would have lived longer ..maybe. And any 40 something Man (including myself) needs a complete medical checkup. If Elvis did that then we wouldn't argue about his weight would we?

I don't think Elvis went on stage to please his fans at this time in his life, he went on stage because that was what he did, he had to go on stage , not for us tho.
I f he wanted to please his fans he woulda got off stage for a while and got himself straightened out.

[poormansgold]

In my humble opinion if Elvis wieghed 1000 pounds and he got up on stage and tried to please his fans (not the colonel) then that's all that matters. But, the fans would've understood if Elvis said "He guys i need a break to get my drug dependency under control and to lose 70 LBS. then he would have lived longer ..maybe. And any 40 something Man (including myself) needs a complete medical checkup. If Elvis did that then we wouldn't argue about his weight would we?

I know That One thing of Elvis Live pass 1977 and stop dependency on Drugs
He will live Hard life, I see it my own eyes with my family tree, from driking and few drugs, We can say things about Elvis problems with drugs and weight gain. we never real know happened that last few years his life, we can guess about it liked for him.
We need to let that go enjoy his memories of him and pass those memories to next people to keep his memories going long as we can .
Tom