This whole thread has argument brewing written all over it.
Okay, this thread is for those that have become a little precious about the "hijacking" of the You fans of 1977 concerts thread ...
See upcoming post.
I did not believe or imply for one second that Mojo meant that Elvis performed AYLT in Hawaii. YOU misread my second response and claimed that I was implying this ... which I wasn't.
YOU made the statement that the monologues during AYLT were mostly done jokingly. The evidence does not back up what you say. This is not my opinion, my theory, my idea, nor my way or winding you or anyone else up. It is fact. I have most of the pre-1975 versions of AYLT and they were mostly serious versions. I do not count one line purposely messed up as a "jokey" version either. And, if you do, great, fine. Even then, Elvis mostly ... mostly ... performed it straight. If you're talking about '76 and '77, then yes, most if not all versions of the song were made screwing around and having fun.
And you said, "No, I don't think they were (all serious). It may be helpful if a reputable Elvis scholar were to confirm".
Okay, so how about a reputable website?
Search under songs, suits and even microphone types ( - not something in which I am even remotely interested!) on this site.
As it happens, I am a reputable Elvis scholar, and I don't care how arrogant that sounds. Have you contributed information to official and bootleg releases? Written articles for websites about Elvis? Been acknowledged as a contributor in four Elvis books? As I said elsewhere, I do not profess to know more than anyone: for all I know, you Cryogenic may have been a reputable Elvis scholar. Others on here certainly are; many like me, I presume, prefer to keep their anonymity on here. This is not slagging you off for preferring to go to a "reputable" source rather than believe what I say. (I'd encourage anyone on here to find out stuff for themselves). Rather, it is criticism for saying that the information I posted (I'm talking about the objective stuff here too, not the subjective!) is incorrect ... without posting your own sources (AYLT links notwithstanding).
If you have information that contradicts mine, then post it here, so we can dissect it ourselves, do some more research and get to the bottom of any facts, figures and the like.
Personally, I would rather trust a website (or whatever) like the link I posted above, rather than what was, in essence, a blog rabbitting on about some baseless psychological theory about why Elvis shied away from the seriousness of the monologue from AYLT.
(Then there was a 10-line paragraph of yours that kept going on about the AYLT monologue "issue" regarding 1961, to which I'm not even going to respond. I have said all I need to say on this already).
Okay, let's assume I'm completely wrong about the calorie intake. Are you suggesting (and please note that I'm asking for clarification rather than coming on here and putting words in your mouth like you have done to me constantly) that, as much as Elvis was eating in his final months, that it was still half ... half, that was your word, right? ... of what he required for normal functioning? I want to be very clear on this, Cryogenic.
Anyone, myself included, can go onto the net or wherever and gather info about Elvis' diet in his last months; so I'd be interested to see your source for this amazing claim about half the calorie intake.
Jak, maybe you want to take this one? Someone? Anyone?
The Death Of Elvis;
The books by his cooks etc;
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s689019.htm (Dr Karl is a scientist famous in Australia for scientific trivia etc His sources are listed in his latest book, but not on here).
And plenty of other Net and book sources. I trust you and others on here can find them easily.
Sorry, where were your sources again???
(Rest of the post - about 45 lines - launching into me once again. Not worth the effort).
Okay, after all that, what are the thoughts of others on here (no, not about the to-and-fro between me and the other guy, but about the topic!)
How much do you think Elvis' weight and/or appearance contributed to the level of entertainment in the shows?
Let's hear from others who didn't post on the other thread too.
I promise I don't bite!
ALL opinions welcome.
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This whole thread has argument brewing written all over it.
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That's all I've come in to say and do. Getlo can talk to himself till the end of time.
Elvis' weight/appearance was not at the level it should have been, as we all know and I think the way he looked towards the end, bloated and not healthy certainly cant' be compared to his early shows!Originally Posted by Getlo: How much do you think Elvis' weight and/or appearance contributed to the level of entertainment in the shows?
I would have to say, unfortunately he was not the Elvis he was and it must have been somewhat sad and even a little shocking to see him in that state, but I still wish I had the chance to see his shows...
Well its obvious if you are known for a very physical show and you have extra pounds and are not in good shape-the level of movement is reduced.
Added weight reduces your stamina- you tire quicker and breath heavier. Your singing would have to be affected because of the difference in your breathing. I'm not saying good shows were not possible but they were much harder to do and harder on him.
Well, never let it be said I won't admit my errors.
Upon re-reading the first exchange between myself and MojoElvis, it seems Mojo did in fact talk about joking around during AYLT in Hawaii "1960" and the '68 Special.
On the next response, I did in fact reference Aloha.
So I apologise ... to MojoElvis, not to the other person involved (because of his snide, childish and personal attacks on me ... when I had had no exchanges with him here on the threads).
So, let me restate to MojoElvis: what is your criteria for comparing the "joking around" in AYLT during In Concert to Hawaii 1961 or the '68 Comeback?
I stand by everything else in my recent posts to the student, Mr/Ms Cryogenic.
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Getlo - cute'n'cuddly
Anyone would have to have been deaf, dumb and blind not to see that something was terribly wrong with Elvis when viewing his last concert on CBS, although he did nail a few songs in spite of it. It was very painful to watch, he didn't speak clearly, he looked very sick and bloated but that wonderful smile was still there.
I never saw Elvis as anything more than the most fantastic entertainer ever and a warm beautiful human being so I was able to accept what I saw and I would have jumped at the chance to go see him again.
I have never even clicked on the original thread, as I am not a fan of the 1977 concerts.
I will say that Getlo seems to be very knowledgable and level headed, and when you post factual information on a message board that has A LOT of fanatics ("Elvis is a God" types) then you will endure some major, unwarranted attacks.
i kow How the weight thing, I'm overweight myself , few years ago, I lost 50 lbs, I was down too 125lbs with 5'7 flame, I'm not built liked most Men are. went I was 125lbs, I can't do much things I was That's was my down fall, I was in trouble, I this new lady and I got my weight back It was. after that I was In bad Crash that's all most kill me and I lost My freedom to move around, that's part my weight gain trouble is now, I don't drive I used too I love work oin My 66 El Camino that's my lifeline that time.
after few months I Move to Michigan be my girlfriend and I gain more after that because I was eating more things.
few years later we was marry, that's I was wonder about me weight i'm at that time was 221 lbs That's most I weight my life. from that date i weight my in the morning first that's you weight less few lbs, before i got to bed i weight again I weight few lbs more.
Someday everyone will have weight gain they hit age in 40's. yes the eatting intake is key. it's not what you eatting how much, bad eatting habits part it too, the key is how much. Elvis had one bad eatting habits , we know that, how much that play the roll? and the drugs had some roll in his weight gain.
We can't believe everying words that was used in books about Elvis. What Happened to Elvis book that's book start things in motion Elvis death in motion, That I mean,
his worrys about life and more. Sonny West was one work with Elvis 1962 to 1976, the another two work for Elvis few months before they get fired my Vernon.
The Key in life is Belevie in yourself not someone do, I know I can be wrong at times or
make errors on things that's we are.
Take a look at you and me,,Are we too blind to see, Do we Simply turn our heads and look the other way.....(Line From "in The Ghetto")
The weight thing was always going to catch up with Elvis in the end, you can see he was fighting it as early as Follow That Dream and Tickle Me. Sure Elvis looked great in 68/69/70, but it must have killed him to keep his weight down to that level.
So after 73, he just decided to let go of the whole thing like a lot of middle aged guys do.
There was almost certainly a battle for Elvis to keep his weight down, Ematt your post is correct, there are indeed pictures from 1962 onward where Elvis looks to be carrying excess weight. To be honest there are times when Elvis in the 60's where Elvis looks out of shape and ill, a good example of that is 'Paradise Hawaiian Style' so you can see there is a underlying lifestyle.
From 68-73 Elvis mainly kept the battle under control and for the most part looked great. Even after 1973 with the weight gain there were certainly times when Elvis looked good for instance June of 1975 but 1975 was probably the last year that he hung on.
1976 was the year where Elvis just seemed unable to keep any sort of control as his weight fluctuated so badly, this had to contribute to his health problems or vice versa the health problem contributed to the weight. Elvis looked completely different in 1976-77 and it is not just the weight that is the issue, people can look good and be overweight. It would seem that a lifetime of dieting and a reliance on uppers and downers had come to a apex, his body just couldn't handle what was being done to it. Elvis' face reflected the struggle that was going on inside his body, he looked ill, weathered and battle drawn.
The pedigree that Elvis came from would indicate that he was going to struggle at some point to control elements of his lifestyle as did his mother. Vernon was by no means svelte until he became ill, so the Elvis of 68-73 wasn't his natural state. Ultimately it was the complete lifestyle that was the undoing of this giant of a man, the stresses and strains would be too much for the average man to deal with untouched, but combined with medication that was both detrimental to his mental and physical health there was only one inevitable conclusion.
Very well stated, thank you Matt.
Elvis did have some good shows near the end. I was there on 12/28/76 in Dallas for what was a pretty good show. But, it was NOT the same performer that I saw in Vegas in the early 70's. If you could watch TTWII and EIC on a split screen I think anyone would be stunned by the difference, both physical and mental. I mean...even his speaking voice is different. He sounds weak and tired in EIC. I will never forget watching EIC in Oct. of 77....I was horrified at what had happened to him. It made me sooo sad, and what a shame that NO ONE could reach him. It has to be one of the greatest show business tragedies of all time, if not THE greatest.
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