How did the weird rumors started?

[cameron]

You have the right to your opinion, Rhinestone.
At least I think so.

I've read so many differing stories. Who really knows the truth?
I do think there's some things that just were kept from the public.
That has caused some to doubt everything we've been told.
I can't blame them.

Maybe, someday it will all be told. But, don't hold your breath.

[Rhinestone]

You have the right to your opinion, Rhinestone.
At least I think so.

I've read so many differing stories. Who really knows the truth?
I do think there's some things that just were kept from the public.
That has caused some to doubt everything we've been told.
I can't blame them.

Maybe, someday it will all be told. But, don't hold your breath.

Thanks for your reply, Cameron. I doubt that the unofficial truth will ever be told in my lifetime. I'm only saying that I'm certain events did not occur as officially told and there are legitimate questions yet to be answered. I was also trying to convey that it's wrong to make assumptions about people and lump them into a particular category.

[cameron]

I was also trying to convey that it's wrong to make assumptions about people and lump them into a particular category.

I agree, none of us should "assume" anything about anyone or anything we have no knowledge of.
Keeps us from learning.

[Getlo]

I cannot say with certainty whether or not Elvis survived past 8-16-77....

You must be kidding ...

However, with that said, I have found information that can't be explained away, information that is documented by professionals.

Please give examples of some of these "mysteries" ....

As a result, I can say with certainty that the events of 8-16-77 did not happen as offically reported.

Really? Well, you may be sitting on the story of the century! Why are you keeping this to yourself? Get it all out there, I say! Please share why you're so certain ..

I'm not delusional, I'm not a nut, and what I've said here is not rubbish.

Hmmm. Ok then, let's hear your story ...

[Rover]

It always amazes me how anything even remotely connected to the Elvis Alive topic elicits such a high level of emotion. I've witnessed hostility from BOTH sides of this fence. It's a shame that it usually degenerates into name-calling, derision, and anger. It seems that if someone questions the official story of the 8-16-77 events, that person is automatically stereotyped and labeled. I came to this board because I'm an Elvis fan and enjoy reading some of the threads. I wanted to join in the discussions when I felt I could contribute something. But after my first post, I felt that I'd been ridiculed, judged, and labeled. In spite of that, I've since made a few posts and this may be my last.

No, I'm not trying to start an Elvis Alive debate or "Conspiracy 101" thread. I cannot say with certainty whether or not Elvis survived past 8-16-77.... This may surprise some of you, but I don't believe in the wax dummy theory, I don't believe there's any significance to the spelling of Elvis' middle name on the grave marker, I don't believe Elvis left to work for the DEA because he was tired of being Elvis Presley....no, I don't buy into in every story that comes down the pike. I have been involved in tracking down and finding answers for the most of the stories that have circulated all these years. However, with that said, I have found information that can't be explained away, information that is documented by professionals. As a result, I can say with certainty that the events of 8-16-77 did not happen as offically reported. Even some who firmly believe Elvis died on that date can't come up with an explanation.

There's always an official truth and an unofficial truth in any story. An example:
Situation- a 60 yr. old man leaves the company where he worked for 30 years.
Official truth- the man "retired," he was tired of the rat-race and wanted to pursue other interests.
Unofficial truth- his young new boss wanted his college buddy in the man's position.
To acccomplish that, he made the workplace hell for the retired man, forcing the man to leave the company.

There is an official truth and an unofficial truth in the Elvis Presley story.

I'm not delusional, I'm not a nut, and what I've said here is not rubbish.

Please don't leave the community because of this...maybe one or two people labeled you, but do you know how many more there are ?
You said something about a high level of emotion, anger,...when it comes to the "Elvis is alive" topic, I think you got a point here: people are so emotive and so quick to react violently because they know (even if it's not on a conscious level) that they don't have any concrete proof, just a few clues (which could be interpreted in a thousand different ways), and a feeling deep in their guts, because they *want* to believe it

[Getlo]

because they know (even if it's not on a conscious level) that they don't have any concrete proof, just a few clues (which could be interpreted in a thousand different ways), and a feeling deep in their guts, because they *want* to believe it

Exactly, Rover. (Btw, is your name a reference to The Prisoner TV show?)

Every stupid theory put forth from the "Elvis Is Alive" nutbags (the coffin weight, the wax dummy idea, the spelling of Aaron etec) can all be explained logically.

Some people choose to see the most convoluted conspracies in the most simple of events.

Elvis. August 1977. Dead.

That's it.

[Rover]

Some people choose to see the most convoluted conspracies in the most simple of events.

Nah they don't choose it! They can't accept he is dead, so they try to build an explanation as believable as they can...it's not their fault if it is "convoluted", they just try to build something with what they know.

And no, my name doesn't come from this TV show

[cameron]

Please don't leave the community because of this...maybe one or two people labeled you, but do you know how many more there are ?
You said something about a high level of emotion, anger,...when it comes to the "Elvis is alive" topic, I think you got a point here: people are so emotive and so quick to react violently because they know (even if it's not on a conscious level) that they don't have any concrete proof, just a few clues (which could be interpreted in a thousand different ways), and a feeling deep in their guts, because they *want* to believe it

I've never understood why people react violently to anything about Elvis.
Especially, this topic. The questions have been there since August 16,1977.
Some have been answered; some not.
I think everyone should be allowed to believe what they want,IMO.

[Rover]

I've never understood why people react violently to anything about Elvis.

Because they feel personally concerned...and know they can't defend their point of view with concrete elements, since it is based on feelings

[cameron]

Because they feel personally concerned...and know they can't defend their point of view with concrete elements, since it is based on feelings

I've seen some of their "evidence." Some I've disproved, others I admit; I have no answer for. I guess I just don't see that it harms anyone nor think it's a reason to jump on someone that might believe differently than I do.
It's a great mystery to me and always has been.

[Merry]

Please don't leave the community because of this...maybe one or two people labeled you, but do you know how many more there are ?
You said something about a high level of emotion, anger,...when it comes to the "Elvis is alive" topic, I think you got a point here: people are so emotive and so quick to react violently because they know (even if it's not on a conscious level) that they don't have any concrete proof, just a few clues (which could be interpreted in a thousand different ways), and a feeling deep in their guts, because they *want* to believe it

Well said.

It is sad that Rhinestone is leaving, because of name calling.

Please don't let it bother you, Rhinestone, if you can.

Kind wishes,
Kim

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I can understand why people want to believe that Elvis is still alive, but if he is.... and I say this only to make a point..... If he is alive then he almost certainly doesn't deserve the fans respect! If Elvis has indeed faked his death, he has treated his fans with such disdain that I would certainly be very disappointed.

Elvis' life was nowhere near as difficult as some have made out, this has been exaggerated. Yes things could be tough but nothing that hadn't been handled in the past. He would have to be one selfish SOB to carry out such a plan, not only because his family have suffered in such a terrible way. Vernon is on the verge of a breakdown on "Elvis In Concert". When Vernon makes those very touching comments at the end, he is obviously very emotional, this cannot be faked by a man who is plainly very ill. Are you saying Elvis would put his father through such emotional turmoil??!!

For such a plot to be convincing very few people could know of his plans, and for such a plan to take place many people would have to know, this includes his daughter, she would have to believe that her father was dead to be convincing.. at what point would those close to him be told he was alive, because Priscilla has been putting the boot in on Elvis almost since his "Alleged" death.

It beggars belief that Elvis would fake his death.... WHY? If he felt he needed to get away from it all he could have simply locked himself away in a villa in Hawaii for 12 months or more, quite frankly the way his career was going no-one would have blamed him for some R&R.

There was NO real reason for Elvis to fake his death, I am sure there are things that don't add up, timescales etc on the day, but do we really need to know the nitty gritty of everything that happened on Aug 16th down to the last second? I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!

Quite why the theorists have to question some of the most mundane things and turn it into a conspiracy or Cover Up is beyond my simple reasoning, sometimes the simplest explanation IS the most obvious answer...... Elvis died Aug 16th 1977

[cameron]

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...I personally would like for there to be some dignity left for Elvis, he surely deserves this!

I guess I can disagree with some things you think?
But, the above quote I couldn't agree with you more !!

[Getlo]

The questions have been there since August 16,1977. Some have been answered; some not.

Really, cameron?

And which questions haven't been answered?

I assume you're still enjoying ignoring me (which is great, by the way! ) so maybe someone else could ask this woman what questions about Elvis' death still need answers?

[Getlo]

I've seen some of their "evidence." Some I've disproved, others I admit

So what do you actually believe ... is Elvis alive or dead?

[MissyM]

I talked to Elvis's family the day he died. I heard the devastating emotions of a someone who lost someone they dearly loved. Some may not like the MM but listen to the pain in their voices. I just think peoples personal feeling cloud their judgement some times. One minute someone is saying people murdered him and the next minute someone says he is still alive. Well he is not alive. That's a fact.

[presley31]

Sorry to all those people that think elvis is alive, fact is fact elvis is gone. I do hope people stop saying this stuff.

[MissyM]

I'd just like to understand why they do?? It's been 30 years. I mean come on!!!

[T_J]

There's one point people usually fail to mention, which clears up the whole issue for me. If Elvis was going to fake his death, would he really choose to have the world think he fell off the toilet and died with his PJ bottoms around his ankles? Not in a million years! Why would anyone devise a plan which included such an undignified ending? They wouldn't of course.

If basic commonsense and the overwhelming evidence of his death isn't enough to convince people, the above point should.

[Getlo]

There's one point people usually fail to mention, which clears up the whole issue for me. If Elvis was going to fake his death, would he really choose to have the world think he fell off the toilet and died with his PJ bottoms around his ankles? Not in a million years! Why would anyone devise a plan which included such an undignified ending? They wouldn't of course. If basic commonsense and the overwhelming evidence of his death isn't enough to convince people, the above point should.

Excellent point. That, and the fact that he wouldn't have put Lisa or his dad through the horror, convinces me.

And as I've said before - and I don't care how harsh this sounds - if a person believes Elvis is still alive, or that he didn't die on August 16, 1977 - then they are a first-class *****.