Jacket Worn During '68 Special/Nixon Meeting--The Same One?

[Tony Trout]

Larry Geller "Elvis only had one of those blue suits. The last time I saw it was in 1973 when he tried it on and just said 'To bad it doesn't fit anymore'. Took it downstairs and gave it to some of the guys. He had blue jackets with laces in the 70's but he had just one suit"

Hmmm....not disagreein' but I don't think that Larry was around Elvis in '73....he didn't worm his way back into the group permanently until sometime in '76 so how could he have been there in '73??

[toffe]

Thanks for info Leroy!

[KPM]

I'm pretty sure that the 68 jacket is the same as the one worn to see Nixon as Leroy has already mentioned this in numerous threads.

The blue jacket worn in the Priscilla & Lisa photo session looks the same as the one worn in TTWII, I certainly wouldn't bet money on it not being, on closer inspection of the photo's attached they look identicle

The second picture looks brighter because it appears to me the flash was very close-I also notice what appears to be sewn line we've talked about on it now that I looked closer.

[EDOEP]

This comment is about as amusing as a bowel obstruction.

lucky me does not suffer from such little ailments. hence i cannot judge the level of amusement they provoke.

i just wanted to point out that the kind of 'proof' you obviously would accept cannot be given by anybody but EPE themselves - and a thorough investigation (since EPE from time to time seems to know less than some fans do ....).

Like a lot of posters on here, you blindly accept someone's opinion without any verification. Enjoy your ride down that highway when Graceland gets torn down.

well, with a nearsightedness of 9 dioptries i accept almost anything in life 'blindly' ...

back to topic:
'verification' ... see above. can you provide a proof for 'falsification'?!

there are few fans around who have the expertise on the levels of JJ or leroy. i think their knowledge should suffice for us, shouldn't it? plus then we add our own little knowledge, a little bit of logic, what we can see on pictures, what we can read in and from reliable sources and we come to halfway acceptable conclusion, don't we?

this has nothing to do with a lack of criticism. and BTW, even IF it was 'believing without verification' .... why on earth should this lead to graceland being 'torn down'???

ellie

[KPM]

Hmmm....not disagreein' but I don't think that Larry was around Elvis in '73....he didn't worm his way back into the group permanently until sometime in '76 so how could he have been there in '73??

I think he still visited Elvis on occasion.

[Danny Ocean]

In 1972 he saw Elvis again.. Elvis asked him to go with him to hawaii (aloha from Hawaii) in 1973 but he had other things to do.. but he was "hired" again in 1973.

[Getlo]

i just wanted to point out that the kind of 'proof' you obviously would accept cannot be given by anybody but EPE themselves

Er, no actually. I usually take what EPE says with a grain of salt. They wouldn't know a jumpsuit from a jumping jack!

can you provide a proof for 'falsification'?!

What are you talking about? No one is talking about a 'falsification' here! My point is that, so far, there's no proof that the suits are different!

there are few fans around who have the expertise on the levels of JJ or leroy. i think their knowledge should suffice for us, shouldn't it?

Yes, but only if they can provide PROOF - as Leroy has on many occasions about some jumpsuit queries. Does Leroy's research extend to Elvis' private wardrobe as well as the jumpsuits? (If it does, I haven't seen it mentioned on here). And neither you nor anyone here has any knowledge of my own expertise or experience with Elvis and his jumpsuits either.

I am not attacking Leroy here, especially as he posted his blue suit info without prejudice - but what I've asked here is: Is that info on the blue suit his opinion based on the photos, or does he have some inside information that could confirm either way? Why is this so complicated for people to understand? JJ and Leroy have been proven wrong on certain things before (and no, I am not suggesting they - or at least Leroy - are wrong here!).

What I am querying is why should JJ or Leroy's opinion about these two suits be accepted as fact when all they've done is offer their opinion? So far, the blue suit "debate" can't be proven either way. And, from the PMs I received since this thread began, there are at least seven people who - like me - think that the suits are different (based on our OPINIONS) . So why should our opinion - yes, let me stress that word again - opinion be any less valid than someone who's also offered theirs - but without specific proof??

And I notice that my second reply to JJ earlier today has been removed. Hmmmmm ...

[Getlo]

I'm wondering if the leather suit he wore at the backstage party seen in TTWII is the same as the Comeback Suit.

Well, at the risk of starting another s***fight ...

The black leather comeback suit is not the one he wore backstage party seen in TTWII. The backstage one is made of a much shinier material, or possibly a shinier leather.

In my opinion, just to make that clear!

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

And I notice that my second reply to JJ earlier today has been removed. Hmmmmm ...

I just don't understand why you have to be so aggressive? If you don't agree then that's fine, Its the way you disagree I only offer my opinion as do you. I don't then say where is your proof that it is not the same suit, when in my opinion it is obvious that it is the same?

It's not about blindly agreeing with anyone's opinion, you can formulate as many diverse opinions as you like, it doesn't change the fact that what I see based upon photographic evidence of this suit leads to a logical conclusion, there is no conspiracy, all the photographs are based around 1970, I have thousands of candid photo's in my collection and there is no evidence to suggest there is more that one version of this suit? I have not seen any pictures from Graceland to substantiate that there is two versions of this suit (although it is possible)

The conclusion I have made is not based on some half assed approach, it is based on a understanding of Elvis' wardrobe, I would never be so arrogant as to say I or anybody else is 100% right as new information is provided all the time. I suggest that it is logical to presume that the blue suits in these photo's are the same, although I understand why others may wish to question it, it would be nice to understand the logical reasons why they think they are not the same.

To answer one of your queries, yes Leroys knowledge does extend to Elvis' private wardrobe.

[Leroy]

Leroy, now we're talking here about the same clothes. Can you help me with something? I'm wondering if the leather suit he wore at the backstage party seen in TTWII is the same as the Comeback Suit. They look the same but it's hard to tell. Maybe you know more about it.

Danny, the black leather suit Elvis wore during the backstage party after his openingshow was based upon the leather jacket of the 1968 "NBC TV-Special", but it's not the same one. It's made of a more shiny material and it is thinner. I must have a picture of it somewhere.....
Yes, I found it. If you look close at the picture you can see that the cuffs are different and it also seems this jacket has no buttons to close it.

[Getlo]

Can anyone see a difference here, or is it just these old eyes?

The family suit (right) appears to have stitching at the end of the sleeve and behind the buttons, but the TTWII one (left) doesn't ... or maybe it's the quality of the TTWII pic that omits detail?

Leroy ... ?

[Getlo]

Nope, cancel that.

The TTWII one seems to have the same stitching, though it's hard to tell from pics.

So, yes ... it may very well be the same suit. (See, I'm not as obstinate as some have made out).

[goodelvisgirl]

well the suit from ttwii seems to be different from the one in the family pics a different shade of blue any way i don't know but it looks good in both pics

[Diane]

I see stitching on the sleeves of both suits and the blue changes with every photo.


Diane