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Thread: Do you believeElvis could have done it better if Col. Tom Parker was not his manager?

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    Question Do you believeElvis could have done it better if Col. Tom Parker was not his manager?

    I often wonder and ask this question after reading some negative feedbacks on how the late Col. Tom Parker handled Elvis phenomenal career. Why he refused performances outside the United States and why he turned down important movie roles for Elvis and let his talent as a promising actor go to waste. How he manipulated business transactions for him to gain more than what Elvis will get and many more sad stories having Elvis at the receiving end. What if somebody else played the part of his manager ? Could Elvis have achieved more mileage in his career?

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    I personally think the Colonel was probably the best agent Elvis could have had to start off his career but by the time Elvis did the '68 Special, the Colonel didn't keep up with the times and restricted Elvis too much in the directions he wanted to go. At that time Elvis would not have had any problem finding someone better that would have jumped at the chance to work with him. I really feel he should have made the change then.

    Diane

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    The Colonel should've been gone just after Elvis got out of the Army.

    Signing Elvis up to the abysmal G.I.Blues should have been an indication of where the old bugger wanted to take Elvis' career.

    Yes, it would've cost Elvis money, but he'd have made it up in the long run.

    And all that talk of The Colonel "holding" something (ie Vernon's jail time) over Elvis is just rubbish, IMO.

    The Colonel was great in the beginning. But, after 1960, he was one of the very worst aspects of Elvis' life.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

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    I wonder if Elvis would have stayed with Sam Phillips, what kind of career would he have had?

    Why didn't Elvis stay with him?

    franny

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    I was wondering the same thing, and why did col step in and take elvis away from sam?? If elvis had of stayed with sam l don't think elvis wouldn't of made movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presley31 View Post
    I was wondering the same thing, and why did col step in and take elvis away from sam?? If elvis had of stayed with sam l don't think elvis wouldn't of made movies.
    Sorry, but The Colonel did no such thing!

    He took over Elvis management in late '55 and convinced RCA to buy Elvis' contract for $35,000.

    Sam Phillips needed money to pay off business debts, so he let Elvis go voluntarily. Sam knew his limits. He was great at what he did, but knew jack about the music world outside of Memphis and the South.

    Rightly or wrongly, he knew Elvis would be better off under the Colonel.

    Had Elvis stayed with Sam, he wouldn't have broken as big as he did, and his career would've stalled, at least in the short term.

    Sam could quite easily have said that he was keeping Elvis. No one came in and "took" him.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

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    The main thing I have against the Col. is not letting him perform in Europe like he wanted to. There is a whole other world out there that was never fortunate enough to see Elvis live.....and Elvis so wanted to go there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksimms2 View Post
    The main thing I have against the Col. is not letting him perform in Europe like he wanted to. There is a whole other world out there that was never fortunate enough to see Elvis live.....and Elvis so wanted to go there too.
    Many say that was due to the fact that the Col. would not have been able to obtain a passport without showing where he really was from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    Sorry, but The Colonel did no such thing!

    He took over Elvis management in late '55 and convinced RCA to buy Elvis' contract for $35,000.

    Sam Phillips needed money to pay off business debts, so he let Elvis go voluntarily. Sam knew his limits. He was great at what he did, but knew jack about the music world outside of Memphis and the South.

    Rightly or wrongly, he knew Elvis would be better off under the Colonel.

    Had Elvis stayed with Sam, he wouldn't have broken as big as he did, and his career would've stalled, at least in the short term.

    Sam could quite easily have said that he was keeping Elvis. No one came in and "took" him.
    yes the col did gelto, but l guess the movies and the books are lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksimms2 View Post
    The main thing I have against the Col. is not letting him perform in Europe like he wanted to. There is a whole other world out there that was never fortunate enough to see Elvis live.....and Elvis so wanted to go there too.
    Elvis could have gone to Europe, Australia, Japen etc, especially in the early days.

    The lack of a world tour had little to do with the Colonel. After all, Elvis went to Germany without him for nearly two years.

    Yes, Elvis wanted to go overseas (or so he said, but I never believed him), but he made his choice to stay home. Early on, it was probably him wanting to stay home after being away so long, then getting caught in the movie rut.

    But in the seventies, it was the guns and drugs that prevented him from going overseas. There were no medical "connections" in other countries, so Elvis would've been screwed. And he could never have taken his guns on a plane either.

    Yes, Elvis could've gone for a world tour. But the Colonel is not to blame for it never having taken place.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

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    Quote Originally Posted by presley31 View Post
    yes the col did gelto, but l guess the movies and the books are lying.
    And what is your source, presley31??? Your attribution?

    The Colonel did not steal Elvis Presley from Sam Phillips.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

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    whatever gelto you know everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vissie View Post
    Many say that was due to the fact that the Col. would not have been able to obtain a passport without showing where he really was from.
    Sorry, but this theory does not add up.

    Elvis went to Germany without the Colonel; he could easily have gone on a tour without his manager there to guide him.

    The passport theory is one of the reasons why the Colonel didn't go overseas, not Elvis.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

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    Quote Originally Posted by presley31 View Post
    whatever gelto you know everything
    Fine, don't answer the question ... again.

    By mid 1955 Sam's studio experienced financial difficulties, and he sold Elvis' contract in November of that year; RCA Records' offer of $35,000 beat out Atlantic Records' offer of $25,000. Through the sale of Elvis' contract, Sam was able to boost the distribution of Carl Perkins' song Blue Suede Shoes, and it became Sun Records' first national hit.

    Sam went on to be very successful in the 60s and 70s and beyond. But when Elvis worked with him, he was struggling.

    And that's why he sold the contract. That's when Parker stepped in.

    That's what happened.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    Elvis could have gone to Europe, Australia, Japen etc, especially in the early days.

    The lack of a world tour had little to do with the Colonel. After all, Elvis went to Germany without him for nearly two years.

    Yes, Elvis wanted to go overseas (or so he said, but I never believed him), but he made his choice to stay home. Early on, it was probably him wanting to stay home after being away so long, then getting caught in the movie rut.

    But in the seventies, it was the guns and drugs that prevented him from going overseas. There were no medical "connections" in other countries, so Elvis would've been screwed. And he could never have taken his guns on a plane either.

    Yes, Elvis could've gone for a world tour. But the Colonel is not to blame for it never having taken place.
    His lack of a world tour had everything to do with the Col. Secondly, being drafted into the army has nothing to do with an entertainer performing a concert tour in Europe.

    The guns and drugs prevented him? You really need to get out of the back alley and step into the sunshine. Your conjecture is almost amusing. No medical connections? Believe me, anyone around Elvis could've made any connection he wanted, medical or otherwise. And the guns? How are you determining they prevented him from going? We're not talking about post 9/11 security measures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vissie View Post
    His lack of a world tour had everything to do with the Col. Secondly, being drafted into the army has nothing to do with an entertainer performing a concert tour in Europe.

    The guns and drugs prevented him? You really need to get out of the back alley and step into the sunshine. Your conjecture is almost amusing. No medical connections? Believe me, anyone around Elvis could've made any connection he wanted, medical or otherwise. And the guns? How are you determining they prevented him from going? We're not talking about post 9/11 security measures.
    Your naivete is genuinely staggering, but I'm not going to get into a urinating contest about this one.

    Keep reading, Vissie, keep reading ...
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    Fine, don't answer the question ... again.

    By mid 1955 Sam's studio experienced financial difficulties, and he sold Elvis' contract in November of that year; RCA Records' offer of $35,000 beat out Atlantic Records' offer of $25,000. Through the sale of Elvis' contract, Sam was able to boost the distribution of Carl Perkins' song Blue Suede Shoes, and it became Sun Records' first national hit.

    Sam went on to be very successful in the 60s and 70s and beyond. But when Elvis worked with him, he was struggling.

    And that's why he sold the contract. That's when Parker stepped in.

    That's what happened.
    Theres more to that story than what your saying, but hey l'am not right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    Your naivete is genuinely staggering, but I'm not going to get into a urinating contest about this one.

    Keep reading, Vissie, keep reading ...
    Vissie has every right to say things here just you and the rest, try to accept people views on things or don't answer at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    Sorry, but this theory does not add up.

    Elvis went to Germany without the Colonel; he could easily have gone on a tour without his manager there to guide him.

    The passport theory is one of the reasons why the Colonel didn't go overseas, not Elvis.
    Getlo, didn't the Colonel refuse to help Elvis book shows overseas? This would be the reason Elvis didn't go - because the Col. refused to book anything for him......???

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    If Elvis tried to go against the Col. he refused to help him book shows, etc. as a manager does....he would pitch a fit. That's what I have learned from reading, etc.

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