Revelations From The Memphis Mafia

[presley31]

Elvis felt alone, lost and couldn't trust anyone you say.

Did Elvis say these words on stage or did you happen to read it in a book authored by the MM or a book someone else wrote based on interviews with the people who knew Elvis best.....the MM?

sure they did by putting a knife in his back when he needed his friends the most.

[0349054]

so what you saying is we are not allowed to have freedom of opinions and if we do its really wrong but ok its its agreeable with you?

What??????

[0349054]

sure they did by putting a knife in his back when he needed his friends the most.

St Elvis I

I presume you are referring to Red, Sonny and Dave?

And I take it you read about the emotions Elvis was feeling from a MM member.

People fall out and get back together. It's life. Elvis wasn't the perfect friend and neither were they.

[presley31]

we have different views on things,try to accept that

[0349054]

I don't have to try, I do accept it.

Perhaps some others here should not say people know nothing if they disagree with them.

This thread should not be dragged off topic anymore.

[The King's Queen]

True.

But my experiences with Elvis fans has been that some and I stress some, who have decided that they will not read into his life, construct ideas; these ideas usually are:

MM is all bad.
I have to say 03...I have yet to see much 'good' from them since Elvis died. We must remember that once a person is dead, they no longer have the ability to defend theirself...perhaps this is the case...?

Priscilla was his true love.
I don't buy this for one minute...but that is just my opinion.

His doctor and the MM and Colonel ruined his life.
Lots of things ruined Elvis' life...and EACH of those things...including people...must take their share of the blame. And yes...that does include Elvis!

Elvis was an innocent victim.
I am sorry...I have not met one single person on this forum that has EVER said that. Sure, some of us believe that he didn't fully realize that he could or would get addicted in the way that he did...does that make him a victim...? He was a victim of circumstance...and that is my opinion. I'm not taking away his blame for his own self-destruction...but sometimes one must use human understanding and compassion and realize that these types of things (addictions, self destruction) slip up on people. Ask an alcoholic if they are one..9 times out of 10, the answer will be "no". My thought is that it got out of control before he realized what it was doing to him...JMO.


Some people have an idealised version of Elvis, which they have constructed. That is what I was refering to as Elvis being like a Disney character to some....not all people....but some.

I truly hope you understand what I am saying. I don't think that people are ignoring the truths...but sometimes, they try to be open-minded to how easy it is to get side-tracked. Does this make any sense...?

[KPM]

I will tell you what has always bothered me personally about the whole MM and Elvis debate-he has no voice in it. Period. Its not just how I feel because its Elvis-that goes for anyone who is not around to give their take. For that reason I will question everything they say or write.
That is the devils advocate in me on all subjects.
Elvis and Lamar are in a room and then........Lamar tells us his version-we will never hear Elvis's reply. Multiply that by 12-the main MM and you get a lot of "I wonder what Elvis would say". Do not translate this as me saying Elvis would be 100% truthful or accurate- but he would have his versions and his storys. To say the MM were there and they saw it all is still only half of the equation-no matter how you cut it. I give Elvis the same right that I think everyone deserves-IMO

[0349054]

Yes I see your point of view. I agree with you on some of it and other parts I don't agree with it.

I'm not going to tell you that you know nothing unlike another poster here.

But it is late and I must now retire.

[0349054]

I will tell you what has always bothered me personally about the whole MM and Elvis debate-he has no voice in it. Period. Its not just how I feel because its Elvis-that goes for anyone who is not around to give their take. For that reason I will question everything they say or write.
That is the devils advocate in me on all subjects.
Elvis and Lamar are in a room and then........Lamar tells us his version-we will never hear Elvis's reply. Multiply that by 12-the main MM and you get a lot of "I wonder what Elvis would say". Do not translate this as me saying Elvis would be 100% truthful or accurate- but he would have his versions and his storys. To say the MM were there and they saw it all is still only half of the equation-no matter how you cut it. I give Elvis the same right that I think everyone deserves-IMO

Good point.

It applys to all who are deceased and never left a written testament of there times.

The best thing to do is see how many MM stories match up in some shape or form to try and reconstruct events as accurately as possible.

As most of the time it was Elvis and the MM and Elvis isn't here.......but who knows, perhaps Elvis's version would have been the one that was truly wayyy off the mark!

[presley31]

Yes I see your point of view. I agree with you on some of it and other parts I don't agree with it.

I'm not going to tell you that you know nothing unlike another poster here.

But it is late and I must now retire.

are you saying some of us are wrong???

[KPM]

I'm sure there would be times when his version would not coincide with theirs.
But lets say for instance he was in a really bad mood one day-they describe it as "he was in one of his bad moods where nothing we did was right"
He might come back and say
"well Prisicilla and I just had a fight, Dad was asking why I spent $50,000 to fly to Denver for a sandwich, my dog gone neck and back hurt. I can't seem to lose the weight....." he would maybe not always disagree with what they say-but he might give some insight into what else he was feeling and going on-that they did not know or understand. Sure they were close but you can't know it all-nor understand it all. Thats my point.

[0349054]

And thats a very valid point KPM. What we can do is make the best of what we have to work with.

[The King's Queen]

I'm sure there would be times when his version would not coincide with theirs.
But lets say for instance he was in a really bad mood one day-they describe it as "he was in one of his bad moods where nothing we did was right"
He might come back and say
"well Prisicilla and I just had a fight, Dad was asking why I spent $50,000 to fly to Denver for a sandwich, my dog gone neck and back hurt. I can't seem to lose the weight....." he would maybe not always disagree with what they say-but he might give some insight into what else he was feeling and going on-that they did not know or understand. Sure they were close but you can't know it all-nor understand it all. Thats my point.

You do have a wonderful way of getting your point across KPM...well done!

Elvis was carrying a lot of responsibility. If he didn't produce and get paid...there were numerous people who didn't get paid either. And let's not forget that he was responsible for his family...many members of his family...as well. Combine that with health issues, career problems, being under contstant scrutiny and the other things he was going through...and you would def have someone who couldn't possibly stay in a pleasant mood at all times... It is called being human.

[Merry]

Jess yet again you prove to be someone who will constantly drag a topic into a personal tirade against someone.

Perhaps if you knew anyone who knew Elvis you would realise how foolish, ignorant and totally absurd that comment is.

Against my better judgement, I'm replying.

I have not called you one name, whereas you feel free to call me, and others any name you wish.

Back off? What from, asking you to stop calling names?

That is my right. You insult deeply, and get away with it, and no-one understands why you do.

Your question to whether I know people who knew Elvis? I won't answer that, but let me say, I don't lie, I don't exaggerate, I don't presume, and I don't pass on third hand information, nor have I read many books.

A friend of mine replied to you a while back, he did it well, was on the mark.

Hugs to him
and
xxxxx
Kim


P.S. No more from me, to you, I know you'll want the last say, go for it.

[Merry]

You do have a wonderful way of getting your point across KPM...well done!

Elvis was carrying a lot of responsibility. If he didn't produce and get paid...there were numerous people who didn't get paid either. And let's not forget that he was responsible for his family...many members of his family...as well. Combine that with health issues, career problems, being under contstant scrutiny and the other things he was going through...and you would def have someone who couldn't possibly stay in a pleasant mood at all times... It is called being human.

Beautifully said Queenie and KPM.

Those words are what always rattle around in my head, and my mouth doesn't seem to form them! lol

Kimmi

[The King's Queen]

Beautifully said Queenie and KPM.

Those words are what always rattle around in my head, and my mouth doesn't seem to form them! lol

Kimmi

Thanks Kimmi...

I think you do quite well at expressing yourself...lol..

[0349054]

This thread is gone wayyy off topic.

[The King's Queen]

This thread is gone wayyy off topic.

How so? We were discussing the MM...correct? And KPM made a valid post about it..to which I replied. And Jess simply replied to that... What am I missing???

[Lonniebealestreet]

Friends,

There are lots of strong opinions here, and we are entitled to all of them. None of us can be sure who is right and who is wrong. We feel like we know these people when most of us really don't, and we like to think we know what Elvis would have thought or done in certain situations. We are not qualified to make that call either.

So everyone needs to respect everyone else's speculative postings, no matter how off-base they might seem. By respect I don't mean not questioning or being critical but simply not making things personal or taking things personally.

We moderators do not like closing threads, issuing infraction points, banning people and all that stuff but we will do those things when it becomes necessary in order to keep peace and make this place enjoyable for all. We had to ban someone yesterday for making personal attacks. Do not go down that road. At this point no such actions have been taken in this thread but if cooler heads do not prevail we will have no choice. Don't make us play Big Brother; we would much rather just join in the fun that at most times is had by all.

So let the insults end now.

By the way this is not being directed at just one person.

Thx,
Bobby and the Moderating Team

[0349054]

Lets bring it back to Elvis.

Who here has the outtakes of On Tour?

My favourite has to be when you realise the edited bit, where they edited the footage so Elvis says something like..."That woman looked great in bed"

When it actually was...

"That woman gave great head!"

Anyone know where in EOT it is exactly....Red is there with Elvis when Elvis says it. Can't remember exactly where in the outtakes it is and want to isolate it for a friend.