I'm aware of that thank you! rof I live in L.A. NOTHING is free including interviews, and yes she did sell him out simply by choosing to discuss personal matters...claiming otherwise, I don't buy it.
Yes they did get paid, absolutely, but she is his DAUGHTER, quite different...totally different situations.
I HATE this woman and you nor anyone else, read my above statement on that, will ever change my mind, so just lets agree to disagree on this topic.
So, by that rationale, Lisa Marie has been doing the same thing for years, and especially the last couple of days. Same with Priscilla, Vernon etc.Originally Posted by Suzan
yes she did sell him out simply by choosing to discuss personal matters...
Do you "hate" them as well??
Last edited by srj1967; 08-17-2007 at 04:09 PM.
Well put. I agree totally! And it still goes on. Everytime you think there might be someone left not willing to cash in on Elvis with the latest "untold tidbit" they do it!Well, I don't have a proverbial "dog in this fight", so to speak...but I do have an opinion.
I believe that Ginger was young and maybe a little "ditsy". I think that she had not matured enough to be able to handle Elvis and his lifestyle. I agree that she was a trophy for Elvis...just as he was a financial gain for her. But in the end, being with him did her no harm, just as she did no harm to his memory by doing one of the many tasteless books that have been done since his passing. To me, it kind of equals out.
I'm not a Priscilla fan either, but then again, I'm not a big fan of many of the MM or anyone else who continues to cash-in on their relationship with Elvis. Too many lies and misconceptions have been stated since 1977. And sadly, if you look at the big picture, practically all of those lies and falsehoods have come from none other than those who were supposed to have cared for the man...gee whiz......that is what I do not understand! Perhaps those people were never taught to respect....?
I'm just glad that Elvis did not have to endure all of this smut...I think he deserves much more from so many.
Hope I haven't offended anyone..that was not my intent. Just wanted to voice my opinion...
Last edited by Menwithbrokenhearts; 08-17-2007 at 12:18 AM.
Got my family, my kids, my books and my music, I'm good, yeah, I'm good.....
Why are you taking this so personally? I'm not the only one here, or anywhere else for that matter, in the Elvis world that feels this way. You won't change my mind.
I'm going to address this just once...they were his FAMILY...she was nothing to him, if he TRULY wanted to marry her he would have done so long before his alleged proposal.
No Vernon did not cash in and Lisa SELDOM VERY VERY SELDOM has given interviews where she discusses her father...and again she is a different case as I stated in prev. post and am saying so again.
As for Priscilla, absolutely she sold him out and cashed in, first to agree w/that...also any of the Memphis Mafia as well and I also think that we fans had a huge part in that because we love him and we want to know all there is and I think if that wasn't there they would not have done what they did, if that makes sense. I used to have HUGE respect for Jerry Schilling because he never wrote a book, but I tell you what some of that respect diminished even though his book wasn't all that sensationalistic, such as Sonny's, Red's & Heblers, or "All the Kings Men" book was...stuff they discussed and continue to discuss should be left alone, out of respect for him, he gave them so much and I just don't think this is the way to repay him.
I know you'll prob. not agree and that's ok, but please don't take what I'm saying as my opinion so personally, unless your married to her then I apologize to you if my comments offended or upset you.
Well said menwithbrokenhearts and kingsqueen.
Yes she was young, of course she was, but to state she wasn't there for financial gain well I don't buy it. Yes she was a trophy to him, show me a 40 yr. old man w/a 20 yr.old girlfriend that doesn't think that.
You give yourself too much credit; I do not take any posts on here personally (with one exception when that now-banned ***** memphis77 accused me of plagiarism a few months ago). And I don't give a rat's *** whether people agree with me, or if any of my points make them change their minds.Why are you taking this so personally? You won't change my mind.
... stuff they discussed and continue to discuss should be left alone, out of respect for him, he gave them so much and I just don't think this is the way to repay him.
As for respecting Elvis, he's been dead 30 years. Enough time has passed for others to discuss their private lives with him if they wish, and to expose some of the more private and personal details. People can choose to read their books and hear their interviews. It's not as if Elvis is still warm in the grave, or still alive and waiting in the next room so he could possibly be offended.
Elvis is now an historic figure, someone who wasn't here recently. How much time do you suggest people wait to discuss personal things? Elvis is as dead as Lincoln, and no one was offended when someone suggested a while back Lincoln was a manic depressive who may have been violent to his wife.
We're all different, but personally I enjoy hearing different people's take on Elvis and I really don't mind if they want to go into lurid detail, whether it's about his sex life, drugs, being on tour. I either read it or I don't. As long as what is being said is the truth, then I say let it all come out, the good with the bad.
As for taking things personally, aren't you doing the same thing re Ginger? Hate is a very personal thing (and, if you're a Christian, contrary to your beliefs, isn't it?) And you weren't there, you didn't know her or Elvis, so you don't have the right to hate her. Hate, forgiveness etc are the rights of people actually involved in situations, not external and time-distant observers like you, me, everyone on this board, and millions of fans around the globe.
Last edited by srj1967; 08-17-2007 at 03:27 PM.
WOW your really something.
Whatever buddy....
You didn't know them personally either...so what is your point? But judging from this post and your previous one, yes you are taking quite personal.
And yes I'm taking it personally as other's have stated just a strong an opinion yet you seem to have zeroed in on me.
Hugs!
I'm entitled to my opinion w/o being "preached" to...my religious affiliation is of no concern to anyone but myself and my feelings are my own.
Are all journalists so sensitive? jeez.lol
Historical yes, but he was still human, now when he's dead a 100 years and his immediate family is not around, well then, you know what, free game I suppose. Now I know why some don't like the media. rof
Have a nice evening.
Last edited by Suzan; 08-17-2007 at 01:07 AM. Reason: forgot.
Don't waste you time trying to get through Susan, its not worth it, believe me.
Points made you guys and girls...
Thank you presley31 and Sonny...much appreciated.
What's the view like from up there on your high horse?
Do send my regards to ajr, won't you?
From now on, don't bother to respond to any of my posts (either of you two) and I shall extend the same courtesy to you both.
I think there is a sadly truht in these lines.
I have the right to respond to any topic I wish to, unless your the owner of the forum.
Have a nice evening mate.
Enough of this now, please.
Everybody's entitled to their opinions, accept those and discuss them. Going on at each other is a waste of time.
Sonny
Holy Moly, the way this topic has gone you would have thought it was about Priscilla
I think there is more than enough blame to go around as for the reasons why Elvis died; I do not believe that Ginger was in a position to help Elvis at the point their relationship started. Let?s be 100% honest here, Elvis was way down the road of self destruction before Ginger was on the scene. Linda Thompson had already seen the writing on the wall and had already gone her own way due to the fact she had seen what the inevitable conclusion was going to be! Linda wouldn't/couldn't be there to see it happen and so to put all this blame onto a 20/21 year old girl is much too much of a burden to heap on her.
I bet the lifestyle she thought Elvis lived was far from the reality in those dark days of 1977. Let us be under no illusion, Ginger was sharing the life of a superstar that was a spent force, whose brilliance was ebbing away fast.... doesn't sound like it would be the best place on earth to be back then, especially when you?re only life experience is winning some beauty pageant. Elvis was going through some very dark and turbulent times, how some young child was ever supposed to offer any serious advice is beyond me.
Elvis had a doctor(s) whose responsibility it was to keep an eye on Elvis' health and prescription intake; they were unable to stop/help Elvis. The MM were there for the most part and they couldn't stop/help Elvis. This young girl had probably never been in a situation where she had to care for a person who in the past had taken too much medication and where food had to be taken out of his mouth before he choked!
I certainly don't believe the story about her applying make-up or calling a newspaper before calling for help on the morning of the 16th Aug 1977, it's quite possible she may have called her mother to seek guidance, as for the rest I think that is just mean spirited BS.
When all is said and done no-one who was in Elvis' inner circle looks good when put under close scrutiny, Ginger was some "Pretty little thing waiting for the king, down in the jungle room" If it hadn't been Ginger it would have been some other beauty queen or starlet.
Was Ginger star struck - Guilty
Was Ginger a gold digger - Guilty
Was she responsible for Elvis' death - NOT Guilty
Love the way you put that..And 100% True. Nobody except Elvis Is responsible for his death.Was Ginger star struck - Guilty
Was Ginger a gold digger - Guilty
Was she responsible for Elvis' death - NOT Guilty
why in the heck would Ginger get all done up before looking on elvis???
Thank you!
I've been an Elvis fan for close to 40 years, and this thread is the first I have heard of this.
Elvis was dead long before Ginger found him. It wouldn't have mattered if she put on make-up, or did a hundred sit ups, it wasn't going to make a bit of difference.
Some people need to get over their idol worship of Elvis, it makes us all look bad.
Elvis was on the path to death before he ever met Ginger.
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