She must of been on something if she didn't hear anything.
NOBODY here srj know anything as FACT as none of us were there, me, you and everyone else included...
and if you read my posts I've said SEVERAL time's I don't BLAME her for his death.
Thank you Sonny for being the voice of reason.
I've heard on a cd from an Elvis documentary from a dr., (don't know which dr. it was or if it was Shelby County Med. Examiner, will have to re-watch) but in any case, he said that due to the way Elvis was found, etc...he did not die a fast death, but rather a slow painful one.
She must of been on something if she didn't hear anything.
almost impossible she didn't hear anything then
I don't know maybe she was, maybe she took something to help her sleep as there was a tour that they were supposed to leave for. Who knows.
I just want to know why she was basically wiped out of the history of the funeral and thereafter (with the exception on the lawsuit-which I won't comment on here). Clearly, like ANY star struck 20-something, she was blinded by what was going on with him, heck, I would be too-I mean imagine if it was, ok, I don't have an answer b/c clearly no one is as famous or as intoxicating as Elvis was-apparently by those who knew him... At any rate, if I were her at that age, could appear to naive-regardless if she was or not, beautiful, blah blah blah, and had that opportunity with that lifestyle, etc...isn't there just an inkling in all of us that would jump on that train? Now whether she loved him or not, and what really happened, well never know....
I just want to know why NO ONE in that camp HAS EVER acknowledged her presence at the funeral, etc... Even when those peeps were on Larry King, a few years ago, they all deflected their comments. Fine, if they were 'jealous' of her back then, as some have claimed or not, still, for the press etc..., at the time to NOT EVEN mention his 'grieving fiance' during the funeral coverage is COMPLETELY BIZARRE...
By the way, I don't have an opinion on her either way, BUT that theory that she TIPPED the NE off (at least herself), has been UNEQUIVOCALLY denied by the NE....now, and I am not saying this to cause any heated arguments, but how do we know, that she didn't call one of her "friends" first and then 'he' called the NE to tip them off.
Elvis was responsible for his own demise, he was an adult after all, but it is SO sad to see those folks that were apparently, 'his closest friends, and advisors', turn on him SO soon after his death.
That still begs the question....where the HECK is Ginger in all of this mayhem, as soon as they started planning his funeral? Someone stated earlier that she had to get permission from Vernon to visit his grave at Graceland, does anyone know where I can read about this.
Also, since I am new, is there a discussion on these forums about why Elvis is buried next to his father and not his mother? If so, where is that? If not, then why did that happen???
THANKS!!! I am having so much fun reading all of these posts-lively debate is HEATHLY!!!
The only thing I know is Vernon asked her to pack up her things and leave according to Guralnick?s book I think... but I can?t remember if it was the day of Elvis death or after the funeral. It?s clear she wasn?t very welcome by Elvis father and entourage by then so I don?t think they didn?t even count on her for anything and didn?t even name her either.Originally Posted by justcurious
Dunno, maybe they know things about her that we don?t know...
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I think Ginger was OK.
She never said something about Elvis,and i don't know if I have to believe Elvis entourage,because why didn't Elvis left her before August 16....?
And I don't think that Elvis would have survived that fatal day,if Linda was around...in those years with her,he was getting more and more overweighted,and iller...so if she was there she could have saved him....
When Elvis died,there was no way back...if there was medical help right at the moment he was getting his heart attack,he wouldn't survived it...that's what a nurse said who was there when they brought him in in the hospital.
I'd like to go to Graceland
Memphis,Tennessee
Thanks for the insightWhich book were you referring to? Does anyone have an inside information? I am SO curious. Also, Linda Thompson HAS always been outspoken, and even she WOULDN'T comment on his relationship with Ginger. I mean, Linda and Elvis were together for a few years and the month after they broke up, he started seeing Ginger. Surely Linda had some sort of opinion-other than the fact that Elvis obviously couldn't be alone-not to mention the fact that the funeral coverage actually acknowledged that Linda was there....quite curious!
I COMPLETELY agree about Gingers sister - why is she answering questions??? My exact thoughts when I read the interview - someone posted the link on here....sounds like the sister knew more than Ginger did....
I watched Joe Esposito on TV Land - they were showing, Elvis, Remembered By His Friends, and towards the end, Joe says he wanted to set the record straight on Elvis' death. He said he received a phone call from upstairs (which would have been Ginger I guess) actually, someone else answered the phone downstairs and Ginger asked if anybody was down there. Whoever it was on the phone downstairs got Joe - he rushed upstairs and found Elvis lying face down on the bathroom floor, he had fallen off the toilet, he quickly pulled Elvis' pajama bottoms up,turned him over, and rigomortise (sp?) had already set in....so it sounds definately as though he was up there a while that way. And maybe a stupid question, if you were with Elvis, and you walked into his bathroom and found him face down on the floor with his pants around his ankles, good lord, would you have not tried turning him over? pulling his pants up? or something? I'm sorry but Ginger Alden to me is unneccesary piece of Elvis history......
Take a look at this:
http://www.lelands.com/itemlist.aspx...categoryid=465
It is the auction that I referred to in my earlier post-she "loved Elvis so much" that she auctioned off a few of her "most personal gifts" from him. I mean seriously...for someone who has never 'sold out' by writing a tell all, this is worse!!!
I have some thoughts on what makes sense, going on human behaviour, in my experience.
I can understand how people would be upset with Ginger, going on what they have read in books and what the media has presented to them, but please consider the source.
Please consider that the tabloids have said and continue to say horrible things about everyone, to make money.
Please consider that other people, who have mentioned Ginger in their books, have been proven as those who lie. One lie, what can that lead to?
Please consider that Ginger has not written any books, gives few interviews, and doesn't disclose her personal relationship with Elvis.
In my opinion, what she has said/done has proven the type of person she is.
Should Ginger have looked in on Elvis? We don't know the circumstances, I know sometimes you are just so tired, you sleep and nothing can wake you.
What was said about the phonecalls and make-up was all PROVEN wrong, as I've mentioned before, please consider the source.
The Tabloids continue to sell lies for money. The Publishers continue to encourage those who write negatively or share personal information, to make up stories or exaggerate, for money.
To them it is a money making exercise, they don't care who they hurt, it's "business". Well, there should be more care, we know that, that is why so many of us are here, saying what we do.
The proof is in the pudding folks. After all these years, Ginger continues to be very private. I always believe, that actions speak louder than words.
This is my opinion only, and I know my friends have differing opinions, but I thought I should share mine, for consideration.
Hugs,
Kimmi
I think that if I found him on the floor, I actually wouldn't call downstairs, I would be SCREAMING and shaking him, it sounds like she seemed a little too calm. Whatever, I am not suggesting anything about that fateful day, clearly I wasn't there...
Agreed that she is a little insignificant when it comes to the overall history of his life, and legacy. BUT and this is a BIG HUGE BUT...the fact remains that she was there and walked away with an 11.5 carat ring (with the original TCB diamond), so, she had to be pretty intimately involved in his life over the last 9 or so months of his life...I want the inside scoop. Why, why, why is she skipped over when ANY mention of the last few days (With the exception that she found him), the funeral, or shortly thereafter (with the exception of the mentions that I made earlier). It is just so peculiar and someone HAS to know...I mean he did have peeps around him practically 24-hours a day (whether MM, fans, people who worked at his house, press, doctors, etc...).
Let me just share with you something personal.
My puppy (whom I adore) was run over by a car a few weeks ago.
I saw the whole thing.
You know what, I couldn't cope, I couldn't touch him, bare to see what internal injuries or broken bones he may have, to think he may die in my arms (as others have). There were others there, who could look at him and did. (If I was by myself I would have, I'm sure).
Ginger probably felt the same. Everyone reacts differently.
My puppy is o.k., he thinks he is a cat!Eight lives left, and he will live everyone of them to the fullest!
Hates cars now, too, which is wonderful!
Kim
Hi, NOT TO diminish you thoughts or opinions on ginger, but right above the post, if you click on the link, you will see what she auctioned-'very personal belongings that were once Elvis' and also items given to her by Elvis.' Right or wrong, her family sued his estate not even a month after his funeral (whether it was justified or not, they could have waited). She also appeared in several articles IMMEDIATELY after the funeral, as 'The Grieving Fiance'-without so much an acknowledgment by Elvis' family that he was even her girlfriend...oh, did I mention that she appeared on Geraldo and is currently finishing up a tell-all book about her 'life with Elvis'. I don't know her, she could probably be the NICEST person on the face of the Earth, but she apparently p***** off enough people in Elvis' inner-circle to be completely removed from his history (except, as I mentioned the famed trip to Hawaii with 30 of their nearest and dearest, and as a footnote to the day he died....she didn't even go to the hospital with Joe when they rushed Elvis to the hospital-'Suspicious Minds' indeed!!!!!!!
I can see you point.
I don't have an opinion on Ginger, to be frank. I am just trying to be fair. Anyone who hurts Elvis, I am on the defensive, just so you know.
I don't think much of Joe, have heard a bit about him, from people who have told me the other side of stories, and well, grrrrrr along with some of those other "MM".
To give another prospective on another point you mentioned. When family members have died in my family, people have reacted differently. One cousin COULDN'T visit her father on his death bed, she couldn't cope. It didn't diminish anything. She was just hurting. Everyone is different.
I have reacted differently to different people in my family in those situations too. You just don't know, until you go through it.
It doesn't matter what Elvis' inner circle thinks, he loved Ginger for a period of time, and if she is writing a book, well let's see what is in it and then make the judgement.
I know people in this thread are talking from hurt. I love Elvis too, and am protective, I also sometimes make the wrong judgement calls about people (ones who do end up thinking money is important to them, or write a book through ego, or to justify their behaviour from years ago, changing their stories and reasons..grrrrr), as I like to think the best of people, until proven wrong, hmm!
Ginger auctioning personal items. I wouldn't do that, but everyone is different, I will have a look at some stage, thank you. I don't understand that, but she did keep them for 30 years.
I believe that with regard to the suing, I'm trying to recall the details from what I read on the internet (I think from an Interview Ginger gave), someone else will know? There was a context to that.
We need to care for others. (smile)
Kim
I just looked at the link of Ginger's auctioned items....holy smokes, she's nuts, I'd never part with this stuff, never. Just my opinion.....
A word about Ginger auctioning off some of her personal gifts from Elvis.Basically everyone around Elvis has already done it.I've a friend who bought a nice ring from one of the TCB members that Elvis gave him.The band member can be seen wearing it in the Aloha special.I asked how could he part with something like that?He had it for many years and it came to a point where the money was more significant.That's what time does.Plus everybody views material objects differently.Auctioning off some personal items is not a sign of character flaws.
Jak
I definitely agree that everyone has their own motives, I was just pointing out to an earlier post about her 'staying out of it all of these years'....back to my original obsession, Please Someone Tell Me why everyone around Elvis wiped her out of history, or rather, why did the media wipe her out at the funeral- wasn't she the 'grieving' fiance? Regardless of how one acts in a situation dealing with the death of close ones (and I have had my VERY fair share in the last 2 years), I am not the 'alleged fiance' of one of America's most treasured legacy's. She was...thus, the media would have been fascinated by her reaction, her whereabouts, etc... So, someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me, anyone with any inside 'sources', or who was around the scene back then, what was going on... What caused Vernon to 'kick her out of Graceland' as it was mentioned before? (if it was after the funeral, that makes sense, but if it was before, then why???).
In Caroline Kennedy's article for Rolling Stone-from the day before the funeral, when she mentioned Graceland, she mentioned all of these people-(obviously Priscilla and Lisa Marie) BUT even Linda was mentioned as being a part of days and preparations leading up to the funeral...anyone, anyone?
I read that about having to call Vernon before she visited Graceland in the books:
Elvis My Brother and one other book I will hunt thru all of my books to find the exact location if you'd like. This was said by quite a few people.
In Elvis Portrait of a Friend it is said that she was checking her makeup throughout the funeral services, not a tear shed.
She called down to the kitchen and got Nancy Rooks the maid on the phone and wanted to know who was there to so they could come up that she thought something was wrong w/Elvis.
And GREAT point, would she not have turned him over, or @ least pulled his pajama's up?
I'm happy to hear that your puppy is good.
And by quite a few sources, the reason the guys never mention her is that they all have said and denied that Elvis had asked her to marry him.
And your right as well, maybe they know something we don't?
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