I agree with all of that...what I'm saying is he was dead FOR HOURS, rigor had already set in, if it had been Linda Thompson, who was also in her early 20's when Elvis met her, she would have checked on him a lot sooner. And if she did in fact, by several reports, put on make up AFTER finding him, well that to me is just wrong and vain. This is just my opinion.Originally Posted by rocknroll
l still don't agree with the thoughts about ginger, she wasn't with elvis cause she loved him, she was there for the money and the gifts. Ginger shouldn't of worried about her make-up and chatting with her mother, she should of cheacked on elvis first.
As far as i am concerned she can fall off the face of the earth.
I wholeheartedly agree presley31 and shelly. Nothing and nobody can make me change my opinion...Linda was young too when she and Elvis dated, yet she had the sense to check on him, constantly. Absolutely Ginger and her family were there for what they could get...but then so were most of the people around Elvis, sad to say...if he'd had a different group maybe they would have made him confront himself and his demons.
I also think that Elvis lived w/a lot of pressure, we walked a path nobody had walked b4 him, he was alone, there was no Betty Ford. And he had to have wanted to help himself...and he prob. had reasons why he didn't, things we'll never know because he's not here to give his version, all we have are what other's think or what light other's want to cast on him and his final year or 2 of life, that makes me profoundly sad.
I know he was human, like all of us, and I know his faults, and I accept them but that does not lessen my love for him. And maybe we fans played a part in his demise...just my thoughts.
Last edited by Suzan; 08-18-2007 at 03:23 PM. Reason: needed to add something :)
Ginger said she had her make up on because she didn?t remove it before going to bed and maybe she should have checked on him but I?m sure she didn?t do it on purpose, she didn?t know he was dead. I think it must be hard enough for her to think that maybe if she had checked on him he would be alive but we will never know and that could have happened to him any other day with any of his dates.
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I don't think she did it on purpose, I just don't think she cared enough to keep checking on him, if that makes sense?
I've on occasion left my make-up on and I tell you what, it's NOT a pretty sight when you get up, make-up, espescially liner and masacra, all over the place...you don't wake up like in the movies w/it all still perfectly in place.
I did however like reading your post donut.
I?m glad you enjoyed reading my mini post Suzan but I?ll tell you my make up is not all over the place when I get up and can?t recall reading she looked like out of a movie. If she was and someone (don?t know who ) told that was paying too much attention to a very trivial detail in the midle of a real tragic and in need of fast action situation. And you have to remember that NO ONE checked at him that morning each one for their own reasons.I don't think she did it on purpose, I just don't think she cared enough to keep checking on him, if that makes sense?
I've on occasion left my make-up on and I tell you what, it's NOT a pretty sight when you get up, make-up, espescially liner and masacra, all over the place...you don't wake up like in the movies w/it all still perfectly in place.
I did however like reading your post donut.
I don?t have an opinion on Ginger good or bad because she wasn?t around Elvis long enough. I just think she happened to find herself in a situation that day that it is not a pleasant one for anybody.
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I understand your position and I am in no way trying to convince you otherwise but......
1) We are not sure of Elvis' bathroom routines, if he had taken a book to the bathroom it would indicate that he may have stayed there some time reading.
2) It has been suggested that Elvis had a clay like substance in his intestines making it difficult to function correctly, this would also suggest that long periods in the bathroom would have been expected and usual.
3) Perhaps Elvis was in the habit of spending long periods in the bathroom and Ginger didn't have reason to suspect anything was wrong.
4) There was no reason for Ginger to suspect that Elvis was going to have a heart attack?
5) Had Ginger taken something to help her sleep, after all their sleeping habits were not normal?
Don't get me wrong Ginger was in it for the money, I just don't think Ginger is to blame for Elvis' death.
Your lucky donut...wish my make-up stayed that way, even the waterproof stuff doesn't lol I do agree, they ea. had their reasons, we'll never know what exactly happened that day and why or why not...I'm just saying that she was not as diligent as she perhaps should have been.
Hey Jumpsuit, very good and valid points, and no I am not thinking your trying to change my mind, I see everyone's point and they make valid remarks, and it does make me think, so I do enjoy that.
And I need to apologize, I did not mean for it to come across that I BLAMED her for his death, nobody is to blame for that, except maybe Elvis, or maybe everyone in some small way, from the army, to those close to him, us fans, Col. Parker, is to blame, my point is that I hate her (I'm sorry STRONGLY INTENSELY DISLIKE for those that the term "hate" offends) because she was there for herself, she used him, she allowed her family to use him and she just came across like an uncaring robot in the interviews I saw and have of her, she couldn't even look the interviewer in the face let alone eye contact, when she was telling her "version". For that I cannot tolerate her.
Hmmm....
Hi, new to this forum, actually new to any Elvis forum. big fan of his, was 4 when he died.....in light of the 30th anniversary, pretty interested in all of the whoopla surrounding his death. Which brings me to Ginger...I have been trying and trying and trying to find out about this woman. Other than the odd article or so, couple of videos, photos and reproduction of her alleged 'engagement ring', oh and a few of her personal EP items up for auction on Ebay, I can't figure this chickadee out... If at the time, she was to be 'married' to Elvis, then why wasn't she mentioned in any of Elvis' funeral articles (i.e., her attending, etc...) and in that Elvis News article from 2002, why is her sister answering a bunch of the questions too? That is pretty bizarre.... Does anyone know if Priscilla or Lisa Marie ever spoke of Ginger after Elvis' death? Obviously not publicly, but it seems like her whole existence is practically wiped out from his last few months of life (with the exception of her attending a few of his concerts, and a trip to Hawaii with 30 other people). Does anyone know?
PS-As much as it sounds like Linda Thompson REALLY cared about Elvis, she sure is taking her 2nd husband, David Foster to the cleaners in their divorce!
Cheers...
I agree, bizarre and you've got a point no mention of her @ funeral announcement, etc...
As far as I know Pris mentioned her once and I don't believe Lisa ever has.
Linda stuck it out with Elvis for approx 5 years, Ginger had only been around for 12 months or so. Another point to consider is that Elvis wouldn't have been in a medicated stupor every day of the week otherwise how would he have functioned as a person? I bet there were times before he went to bed that he took his sleeping pills and he would be groggy, but by all accounts he was pretty keyed up on Aug 16th.
Suzan, I can see you absolutely, categorically despise Ginger, so I shall call it a day, such feelings can rarely be turned round
To assume that if Linda was around she would have checked on Elvis sooner is quite a leap.How can anybody make that assumption?Did Elvis need a nursemaid 24/7?Maybe it wasnt unusual for Elvis to spend lengthy periods in his bathroom?I dont know.Ginger had to sleep sometime.Blaming her for not finding Elvis is really unfair.From some of the posts I have read I would think a few here were able to time travel since they know what should have been going on in Elvis' bedroom during those hours 30 years ago.Maybe it was just his time to go.Even if he was found ASAP he may still have died.Nobody knows that is not the case.I agree Ginger was a trophy girlfriend but that's what Elvis wanted.The king who was middle age wasnt going to get himself an "older woman".Dont blame her for being there with him.Elvis made her his choice.She was a young kid over her head with Elvis.She was probably horrified when she realized what condition Elvis was really in.Elvis needed a nursemaid at this point rather than a trophy girl.I've never heard a bad word from her concerning Elvis yet she draws the ire of so many fans.No offense to anyone but I just dont think these fans can or wont accept the situation Elvis was in through mainly his own shortcomings.
Jak
Hey jumpsuit junkie, no worries!
Jak but you to by lumping "fans" into a category are making assumptions. I've several times stated that I know Elvis faults, his shortcomings, etc...about him wanting a trophy girlfriend..and yes while it was impossible to watch him 24/7, I just think that maybe, just maybe she could have been a wee bit more diligent.
Of course she was allowed to sleep...of course NONE of us knows what happened that day, we are all speculating and stating opinion, nothing said here is the truth, for all we know we could ALL be way way off the mark. But my feelings are what they are. I don't wish her ill will or harm, I just don't care for the woman.
As for Linda that "assumption" is based on 5 yrs. of testimony from those that were there and saw what she did for him. We weren't and since Elvis is not here to tell his side, all we have is there accts...right or wrong, but that's all there is.
OH jumpsuit junkie...I agree wholeheartedly, they make it sound like Elvis was out of it all the time and that was not the case, if it were, he'd have been dead long before the 16th..nobody's body could withstand that type of abuse.
And thank you also for your kind response, even though I see your opinion differs and that's great, so thank you for taking the high road and I love your "smiley" face at me, that's cute! How'd u do that? rof
I think its very cruel to blame Ginger for Elvis`s death.
It would have happened anyway and we all know that.
She could have really milked being Elvis`s last girlfriend and the fact they were going to be married just like Priscilla has milked the role of Elvis`s widow.
As for Gingers family maybe they were after money I have no idea but they can`t be worse than the beaulieus.
There are some more things to consider here.
Remember Elvis was used to that lifestyle, and so was his body. His body and system was "used" to whatever he was using. That's why he could continue this routine of uppers and downers for so long.
And JJ has some strong points about their living and sleeping habits.
When we look at it from a distance, one could imagine that Ginger took sleeping pills and actually slept, while Elvis was in the bathroom. And he liked to read inthere.
Knowing his lifestyle it's very well possible that he wasn't planning on sleeping that night anyway, since a new tour was waiting for him.
Maybe he passed away immediately, we will never know, and if that was the case Ginger or anybody would've been too late anyway.
Rene
Exactly. To blame Ginger for Elvis' death, or to hold her even partially responsible, is mindnumbingly stupid. She'd only been on the scene for a short while, and probably didn't know everything that was going on around her.
Did anyone tell her that it was her responsibility to check on Elvis regularly when she "signed on" for a life with the King? Of course not.
Why isn't anyone on here blaming Lisa? You might as well, if you're going to blame Ginger. By her own admission recently, Lisa had to prop Elvis up when he came blundering into her bedroom at all hours, high as a kite, asking her to sing or just talk. And that, by the way, is extremely poor parenting on Elvis' part ... stoned and off his chops in front of his kid! But no one ever seems to focus on Elvis' own responsibilties for looking after himself!
And to all those females on here *****ing about how Ginger was only using Elvis and didn't love him ... how do you know that? And I'm sure if Elvis had picked any of you out of a crowd back then to become his girlfriend or live-in love, you'd all have said no, right???
As has been said so many times on here, ELVIS was ultimately responsible for his life and therefore his demise.
That last reply would bring up completely diff'rent discussions srj, let's stick to the point here.
It's also true that we can not compare the lifestyle of Elvis, or his fatherhood or parenting for that matter, with your regular everyday households.
And what you say is true about Elvis coming to Lisa while on medication, but then again, also Lisa, how little she may have been, was used to these things going on while she stayed at Graceland.
And it has little to do with what our female members would say about being with Elvis. Fact is that also Ginger (however short she was with Elvis) knew about him, and she knew he was in bad shape that last year.
But that doesn't mean she maybe or maybe not didn't check up on him regularly.
If we go with what we know, she was asleep and he passed away during. Probably also Linda or Priscilla would've been a sleep and things would'nt have been much diff'rent.
We also have to remember that Elvis wasn't that bad those last couple of days.
Sonny
Actually, the original question on this thread is "Where is Ginger", so everyone's gone off topic here if that's the case, including the mods.
My point is that Ginger was not responsible for Elvis dying. If she was, then everyone ... Lisa, Vernon, the MM, Graceland guards, relatives, friends etc ... would be equally responsible going by some of the "logic" in blaming Ginger on this post.
If Elvis' death hadn't happened on the night, it surely would've happened soon after, and he wouldn't have lived to see 1978 in any case.
We are not that far off topic, since we state that she was in bed sleeping, that is where she was.
That's fact, but it has nothing to to with that last night. Maybe everyone was the blame, if so, they should've acted sooner (timewise I mean).
Also true, Elvis' dead, with that way of living was a matter of time. Only a (what we call a sabbatical now) maybe could've have saved him.
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