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    Yeah, I've tried to find this guy. We have talked to Pope.
    I thought when I first saw it, it looked like a drawing. As I've looked around; it looks like the picture taken of him on his last vacation to Hawaii .

    No one was allowed inside the house. The casket was at the door & all just got to walk past it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvis himselvis View Post
    The people didn't get inside Graceland to look at Elvis right?

    No, they didn't enter the mansion itself...the route they took was as follows...(the following quote is taken from Dick Grob's book, "The Elvis Conspiracy?"):

    "The casket was moved from its position in the entrance to the music room and placed in the foyer. It was lined up just inside the doorway to Graceland with the head of the casket pointing north. Preparations for the public viewing were now almost complete. This was to be the most trying of ordeals from a security standpoint. Sam and I had discussed the procedures over and over, trying to make sure we had covered all the bases.

    Up until now, movements of Elvis's body had been unannounced and done with relative little publicity and completed in secret with plenty of escort for protection. Now, we were about to ask people to come close, to enter the confines of the estate and to approach close to the casket. Even under normal circumstances this would be a problem. Fans mobbed Elvis wherever he went but he loved every minute of it and he didn't want to ever lose that appeal or that respect. But things were not normal. Elvis was deceased and the fans were not there in the same fashion as before a concert. They were upset. They were hysterical in somce cases. They were not normal. Many had come from hudreds of miles away, some further. They were crying. They were sad. This was not to be a happy moment.

    The showing of emotion under these circumstances was to be expected but we needed to be aware of the overly emotional person. That was to be expected also. We didn't want anyone throwing themselves onto the casket or disrupting the process for those who followed. Sam and I analyzed what needed to be done. We also felt that someone might want to take pictures which we did not wish to have happen. I was determined to not have his picture appear on the front page of some newspaper while he was laying in a coffin. That was my own personal failure out of this entire process. I rpotected Elvis from outsiders but thought that the "threat" would come from the inside from his own family. I quickly learned what a bunch of "turn coats" existed within the family.

    Our first concern was to control the crowd. While they were all outside we had relative ease in controlling them. Once we opened the gates and invited them in, things could change. The crowd estimated by now to be approaching 100,000 was massive. Control could be very easily lost if it was allowed to slip for just one instance.

    The "black and white" plan was set into motion. The front gate would be opened only wide enough to allow one person at a time to pass. The security detail on the gate would be "beefed" up, putting men on the pillars with speakers to announce the rules for entering. The men inside would channel those entering to the right side of the drive. Two barricades would be set outside the gate to channel those entering to come from the right side of the gate and allowing those leaving to exit to the left. This only worked partially especially after time began to run out for people to enter. Once inside they would be directed to pass up the drive along the right side by officers stationed along the way. Announcements would be made at the gate and just before making the turn toward the house that cameras would not be permitted and that they would be confiscated and the offenders ejected immediately. People were advised to leave their cameras outside, however they could leave them in the gate house but we were acceepting no responsibility. They were also advised that anyone getting off the drive onto the grass would be ejected. They were allowed to look at the flowers but to not touch.

    As the line approached the house, another annoucement would be made showing that there would be no stopping on front of the casket. The line was allowed to walk up the front steps on the right side, walk past the front door and exit by the left side of the steps. A chain and stanchion type barrier was placed directly in front of the casket to prevent anyone from approaching closer than three feet. Once they had passed by the coffin they exited the estate by walking down the drive on the left side finally coming back to the front gate. There, entering people were stopped to allow those exiting to pass out the gates. The entire process we estimated would take a half hour from the time one entered until they left. We did not realize how close together the fans would stand in line as they made their way up to the house. At one point it took almost two hours to pass by the casket.

    Vernon had originally said that he wanted to let the fans file by for two hours. This was the time we planned upon. Security was set on the casket itself. On either side of the door just outside the house were uniformed officers, one to each side. These officers were on the casket of the barrier set up. On the crowd side of the barrier stood two members of the Honor Guard, one to each side. Just inside the door were two other security people. Al Strada stood at the foot of the casket and Dean (Nichopolous) was at the head. Either man could move from his position tot he ouside area of the casket by taking one step. The United States flag and the Tennessee flag stood on stadards just outside the door. Four other members of the National Guard honor guard stood by the pillars at the top of the steps.

    Thus I felt that no one could get to the casket. If anyone tried there were several "circles" of prevention and protection that would come into play. Al did not move from his position refusing any relief durring the entire time we allowed the public to pass. Al took this as a personal assignment and was not about to be denied for any reason. I believe that if we were still allowing fans to pass, he would still be standing there.

    So the arrangements were set. Both Sam and I would be out front watching the crowd. All the officers were instructed to be watchful for anyone acting "crazy" or strange. Those individuals would be watched more closely as they approached the house. We reviewed the plans once more and could see no flaws that were apparent. We hoped and prayed it would work."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Trout View Post
    According to my friend (who did see the autopy photos) they are very gruesome and not at all pretty (of course how can autopsy photos not be gruesome?)....I pray that they never see the light of day....according to him they had to put all kinds of stuff on Elvis to make him look flesh-colored again because he had laid on his face for so long...


    Just reading the reports in that one book the Death of Elvis was awful enough.
    The Poor guy was not well at all at the end.

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    thanks Tony
    So if i understand correct,he was in the doorway with the door closed and everybody just had to move along???(i'm 16 so i don't understand everything )
    About you ajr,what you said about the photo could be a drawing,i don't think that's true,because i have never heard one of the MM or other friends saying that photo wasn't real...
    I'd like to go to Graceland
    Memphis,Tennessee

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvis himselvis View Post
    thanks Tony
    So if i understand correct,he was in the doorway with the door closed and everybody just had to move along???(i'm 16 so i don't understand everything )

    The door was open...otherwise they wouldn't have been able to view Elvis...fans were told to walk by the casket quickly...and with such a large crowd and the time limit that was placed on the viewing I can see why....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Trout View Post
    The door was open...otherwise they wouldn't have been able to view Elvis...fans were told to walk by the casket quickly...and with such a large crowd and the time limit that was placed on the viewing I can see why....
    Right and there was a time limit on the viewing in hours because of the heat and all, but even so Vernon ended up extending it a bit longer then planned so as many people as possible could get by. Vernon was very worried about hysterical fans, but also because of the heat it was very humid that day, he was worried about people fainting and falling and getting hurt on the property as several already had outside the gates. Considering at this point his entire family had died before him, Vernon handled it all much better then I probably would have, whatever his short comings were you have to credit him for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvis himselvis View Post
    About you ajr,what you said about the photo could be a drawing,i don't think that's true,because i have never heard one of the MM or other friends saying that photo wasn't real...
    That's ok, you can believe what you want. I was just putting out some info I found .And, it was a horrible picture in the Enquirer.

    But, how many of the MM were at that funeral ? Any idea ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajr View Post
    And, it was a horrible picture in the Enquirer.

    As has been said before on here (I think), the NE photo was badly retouched....that's why it looks the way it does......
    Last edited by Tony Trout; 02-19-2007 at 02:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Trout View Post
    The door was open...otherwise they wouldn't have been able to view Elvis...fans were told to walk by the casket quickly...and with such a large crowd and the time limit that was placed on the viewing I can see why....
    thanks for your reply
    I'd like to go to Graceland
    Memphis,Tennessee

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvis himselvis View Post
    thanks for your reply
    You're welcome. I'm really looking forward to receiving the Robert R. Holton book, "The King Is Dead", from Amazon in a few weeks cuz I think it'll be neat (albeit a bit morbid) to read of how the funeral director handled Elvis's death and funeral and burial....
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    This book is not morbid. It's done in very good taste.
    While it can debunk a few Elvis myths; it also can open some new questions.
    Things weren't always as the MM told them.

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    this big doll has ...

    25 years -old do not has 42 years old. The nose is different and the negative of the unfamous picture wre destroyed by anthrax a few years ago with other negatives of one editorial company.
    The death was a blessing. "Elvis" showed too young. 23 to 25 years old. One up-turned nose. What a real surgery beauty!!!!
    And one question. Why we do not have any picture of elvis presley betwen june 27 to august 12 of 1977 if elvis was a living merchandise for RCA.
    The body in the coffin is a horrendous joke from parker and elvis family.
    Excuse me is my opinion

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    I have heard alot of times the story about this fake photo and AJR also said something about it,but i can't say this is a real photo or a fake one.
    We have too ask it to people how saw him in his coffin.They know how he looked.
    Does somebody here on Tcb world know a member or a story about someone who saw him and said the photo was fake or real?
    I'd like to go to Graceland
    Memphis,Tennessee

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    I've always thought since I was little that the photo didn't look right. I just thought it was ajustment of brightness/contrast and outlining some points due to the poor quality of the small cameras they had back then.

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    All I know is what I've read about this. Maria Shriver didn't think it looked like Elvis. { she was at the funeral}

    Alanna Nash went through the viewing line to see the body. She didn't think it looked like him. She went on & wrote Revelations of The Memphis Mafia.

    His own cousin .Billy Smith said it didn't look like him. He was at the funeral.

    I have no idea, as I wasn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajr View Post
    This book is not morbid. It's done in very good taste.
    While it can debunk a few Elvis myths; it also can open some new questions.
    Things weren't always as the MM told them.

    Not to get off track but, you've read it then? Or just know someone who did?

    I've had it on order for about three weeks now myself, seems like its taking forever to get here.

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    Sadly and unfortunately, that photo is real...Elvis is gone...that's him in the casket...I'll reiterate my statement that the casket photo that appeared on the Sept. 6, 1977 issue of the National Enquirer was very badly retouched because someone had spilled something on the picture (or so I've read) and they tried to retouch the chin and the eyes and his upper lip in the photo....take a look at the following example from the National Enquirer's 25th Anniversary Issue and you will hopefully see what I'm referring to:


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    I have read Holton's book. So have most of the people I know. It's an excellent book. Very professional and caring.

    I don't think the coffin picture looks like Elvis . It has nothing to do with him being alive. It just doesn't look like the man, that's all.
    I wondered about it for years . So did many of my friends. The article was found about the guy drawing it. I have no idea if it's true yet. But, I'm looking to find out.
    I'm always willing to learn.
    Last edited by ajr; 02-20-2007 at 05:45 PM.

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    Well I dunno how they got to see autopsy photos, from everything Ive read, including The Death Of Elvis What Really Happened. It says no photos were ever took and "the reason you took photos was so you know who it was, but in this case we didnt take photos because there was no doubt"
    So someone somewhere is as usual not telling the truth.

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    All I know is what I've read about this. Maria Shriver didn't think it looked like Elvis. { she was at the funeral}

    Maria Shriver wasn´t on the funeral.The kennedy daughter was there (not on the funeral)
    And that wasn´t Billy Smith.It was another cousin !

    And you believe everybody who told it wasn´t elvis,you believe he´s alive!

    And is the Horton-book the truth?Most of this people have a big imagination.The only thing they like is the $$$ from gullible Fans!
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