Reply With QuoteAutopsy photos were taken .It's common procedure . It was brought out in court when they were having hearings on Dr Nick. The last I knew his family has them.Originally Posted by Dave TCB
MEG.......
Maria Shriver covered the funeral for the magazine she worked for, so I've been told. {maybe someone lied}
I don't "believe everybody" in Elvis World, no. Someone had asked for people that attended the funeral that complained that the body didn't look like Elvis. I just named a few. Including his Smith cousin that lived with him 24/7 since they were kids. Period .
Autopsy photos were taken .It's common procedure . It was brought out in court when they were having hearings on Dr Nick. The last I knew his family has them.
I've seen an interview where country singer Tanya Tucker said it didn't look like Elvis in the coffin.
"I always liked that hillbilly."
-Waymore
It was Caroline Kennedy writing for Rolling Stone
And Gene Smith not Billy!
Thanks, Meg. I stand corrected.It was Caroline Kennedy writing for Rolling Stone
And Gene Smith not Billy!
And, I am talking about Billy, not Gene Smith
A good example to ask questions & not rely on faulty memory or what anyone tells you .
Last edited by ajr; 02-21-2007 at 03:37 AM.
I don't know. Why don't you read it and give us your opinion.
Mr Holton is dead, so I doubt he has any use for $$$$.
This was taken from a journal he kept.
AJR,
Huge correction....Robert Holton is not dead. I spoke with him on the phone a few days ago about his book. You're thinking of the funeral director Robert Kendall. He passed away in 1994 and it is Mr. Kendall who kept a journal...not Mr. Holton.
And it was Caroline Kennedy that was there in Memphis and was emplyed by the New York Daily News at the time of the funeral and had written an article for them....although (according to Dick Grob's book, "The Elvis Conspiracy?") it was reported that they decided not to publish an article that she had written....I don't know the reasons behind their decision.....according to Dick Grob they possibly felt that it might be in bad taste to publish the article and her true motives for coming to Memphis are still unclear to this day.
Maria Shriver defintely was not there at any time during any of these events.....
Correction again....Billy Smith was at the funeral because he was a pallbearer as was his cousin Gene Smith....that may be where everyone is getting confused. Gene Smith is the one who has said that the body didn't look like Elvis....not Billy Smith. Besides....Gene Smith wasn't around Elvis that much because Elvis had fired him several years earlier....Billy (in the last 18 to 24 months of Elvis's life) was with him nearly twenty-four hours a day.
Last edited by Tony Trout; 02-21-2007 at 05:35 AM.
Billy didn´t say he looked not like him.That was Gene.Yes both where on the funeral!A good example to ask questions & not rely on faulty memory or what anyone tells you
Last edited by meg; 02-21-2007 at 05:59 AM.
Yes your memory is faulty
Perhaps you didn?t read the right books!
Meg,
To set the record straight, take a look at my post just above yours regaring the Smith cousins....
Take Care,
Tony Trout
P.S. I'm loving this discussion, y'all!!
Yes you´r right Iwrote the same above!We didn´t talk about the funeral it was about who said elvis didn´t look like himself.And that wasn´t Billy!I know he and Gene where on the funeral!
That R Holton isn´t dead I didn´t know !
Thanks!
Last edited by meg; 02-21-2007 at 05:55 AM.
The photos were destroyed when Baptist was impoded they handed them over to EPE who destroyed them thankfully.
It should prevent any sick people from posting them all over the internet.
The Sun Never Sets On A Legend...
If it helps: I'm still alive and wasn't at the funeral
Sadly and unfortunately, that photo is real...Elvis is gone...that's him in the casket...I'll reiterate my statement that the casket photo that appeared on the Sept. 6, 1977 issue of the National Enquirer was very badly retouched because someone had spilled something on the picture (or so I've read) and they tried to retouch the chin and the eyes and his upper lip in the photo....take a look at the following example from the National Enquirer's 25th Anniversary Issue and you will hopefully see what I'm referring to:
So that picture above is the real photo and that one who is below of it is the so called fake one?
I'd like to go to Graceland
Memphis,Tennessee
I'll say this once again....both pictures are the same picture and the photo is real (although I've heard that there were three or four different pictures taken in a very small time frame because the first ones didn't turn out well)....I dunno how you can "fake" a death photo...there was never a "fake" photo...the photo of Elvis in the casket was "retouched" after someone spilled something onto the picture and that's why it looks so bad and not like him at all....the chin and they eyes and the upper lip were retouched....
From the first time I saw this pic when it came out, I thought it did look like him; very reminiscent of his younger days.
Compare it with some of the close facial shots from Alfred Wertheimer from the fifties. Very similar.
That's what being in a coffin does for you ... it takes years off your looks.
The family requested for the funeral home to try to make Elvis look like he did in the 1950s (a weird request if you ask me) but they succeeded in fulfilling the request apparently and they did a pretty decent job.
Last edited by Tony Trout; 02-21-2007 at 08:37 AM.
A huge apology about Mr Holton. Of course, he's not dead. I've spoken with him many times myself. Actually, he's busy writing another book.{not Elvis} That's what I get waking up 2AM trying to read these things.
I'm afraid I was mistaken & you might not like Kendalls book. When one has "fixed ideas" ; it seems they're not open to anything else said .
Billy Smith did say that did not look like Elvis.I have it on tape someplace. It's not to say Elvis didn't die however, though some seem determined to say I said that. Not what I said at all. If I meant that, I would have said it.
I still hate that horrible picture and I don't think it looked like him at all. I saw him in 1977. Just a few months before.
BTW: One might not want to pin their stories on Dick Grob. In a court of law; he was proven wrong about many things he wrote. So too, says the MM on who I do not believe at all.
I'm glad someone likes this thread; can't say I do . I'll leave it to you guys to fight over. It's not worth it to me.
Last edited by ajr; 02-21-2007 at 11:07 AM.
A huge apology about Mr Holton. Of course, he's not dead. I've spoken with him many times myself. Actually, he's busy writing another book.{not Elvis} That's what I get waking up 2AM trying to read these things.
I'm afraid I was mistaken & you might not like Kendalls book.
Yep, he's still alive and kickin'...and Katco Media is trying to screw him around again regarding this newest book he's writing...I finally had to file a complaint against Ryan Katzenberg via PayPal cuz I never received the book from him...hence my reason for ordering from Amazon and I'm still looking forward to reading Holton's book...it'll be interesting to read how the Memphis Funeral Home handled the funeral of Memphis's beloved adopted son and the world's greatest entertainer.....Elvis Aaron Presley!
Everyone looks different in death and lying in a coffin than they did in life...Lamar Fike is even quoted as saying how bad Elvis looked...with it being a black and white photograph it's really hard to tell exactly how bad he actually did look if that's the case...but it is Elvis in that casket...he's gone....he's singing in Heaven with J.D. and Charlie and Jake Hess and Vestal Goodman and Rusty Goodman and Brock Speer and all of the legends that have gone on before him....
I realize that Dick Grob is a good storyteller and that most of his stuff isn't to be believed but I still think that his recollection of the death of Elvis and the days following the death (including the planned bodysnatching attempt) is the closest that any of us will ever get to the real truth of what happened during those tragic days in August of 1977 when we lost Elvis.....
Granted, the thread is morbid but I like the discussion we're having about the casket photo. I'll be the first to admit that it still to this day breaks my heart to see Elvis lying in that casket so young...if he had taken better care of himself and not made such unwise and unhealthy choices he would prolly still be here...I'm glad someone likes this thread; can't say I do . I'll leave it to you guys to fight over. It's not worth it to me.
Last edited by Tony Trout; 02-21-2007 at 10:07 AM.
[A tired and stressed priest, coping by going through an intense period of greater Elvis fanaticism than usual (hey if it works!) apologises for being obsessive in advance]
The whole question of this coffin picture has always bothered me. It never looked quite right and reading this whole thread lead me to crack open photoshop and do some tinkering.
First thing I did was look for an almost complete profile picture of Elvis, I found one (perhaps 1973 I think?)
I made it black and white and flipped it on its side and "closed" the eye. First "shock" Elvis does look very different from that angle. For one his second chin is more noticable than it is in normal photos.
Then I made it transparent and overlaid it on the NE picture, it matches exactly in: nose, mouth, chin, hairline. All features (according to experts) used in photo analysis as with the Lincoln photos.
The one obvious discrepancy was the eyebrow, the "smoulder" is gone. I know there are stories of plastic surgery around his eyes. Even without that brow muscles do respond differently post mortem.
I'm not drawing any huge conclusions from this, but my own doubts about that photo are now diminished.
WOW!! Great work!! (BTW, the photo you used to compare the casket picture is a still from "Elvis On Tour" in 1972 during the song "Bridge Over Troubled Water"....)
And yes, Elvis did have a tiny facelift done in 1975...it's been documented....
By the way....what are "the Lincoln photos"?? PM me if you would like...
Another way to tell that the photo has been tampered with is to take a look at the hinge on the casket lid....peek closely at the original photo and the retouched photo and tell me if you can't see a huge difference....
Last edited by Tony Trout; 02-21-2007 at 10:33 AM.
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