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Did Elvis ever have a black girl friend?! I know that he was not a racist, and didn,t have anything against black people! I mean nothing! just curious to know!
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I think we had a topic covering this some time sgo, it might jog someones memory.
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Originally Posted by joanpresgrob
There were rumors about Myrna Smith being close two him
Over the years, there have been claims that he once dated Bonita Cole the niece of musical legend Nat King Cole. There is also a picture of them together. Nancy Rooks claims that EP dated a black girl who worked for his estate. Myrna now claims there was no romance or anything else. Surreeee.
last time this was covered someone said he dated Barbara McNair. I've also read in one of my books (sorry can't remember which none) a story that he and a cousin were on a double date with two African American girls in the early 1950's and the police stoped them and tlod them to get home, they said they were coming home from church i think to aviod trouble from the police.
Also in June Junico's book she says he tought she was part African American when they first meet.
I'm sure others here will know more than me.
I also heard rumours of Myrna Smith. I think they had something more than a friendship.
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Wouldn't surprise me, he loved women. I wondered if he & Sylvia had a thing. There's that scene in TTWII where he goes towards her in a very intense way & she's clearly feeling something. Or maybe it was just the fact that he loved playing jokes & wanted to surprise her which he does.
I started a post like this awhile back. Heres the link. It might give you more info: http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread....ht=Myrna+Smith
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from what I read and from talking to a former bodyguard, he wasn't racist but he didn't believe in mixing race at least not for him. So you could imaging how he wouldve reacted to LMP and Micheal Jackson, Publicity stunt or not.
Here's my take on this touchy subject from what I know and have heard over the years....
Just recently Myrna was asked by an EP fanclub presidnet if she and EP ever had a romantic relationship and she said no. But just because she says no does not mean it is true. People will lie to protect someone they love. We all know that Myrna has been among the truly loyalist to EP and his memory for the past 30 years now. So this could be her way of protecting his image. Myself and others do believe that there was something private that went on between them at some point. Probably before she began dating Jerry Schilling. Here's something interesting. I believe it was in Child Bride, the book about Priscilla that Myrna let something slip. She said "she always admire how Priscilla dressed and that she wanted to dress like that and she wanted what Priscilla had, and that was Elvis." I think that was evidence something went down between them and she wanted more, possibly a commitment or a serious relationship and EP wanted less. We all know how EP cheated on all of his women. No matter who they were. EP was a man. EP was also a sex addict as we all know. And if he wasn't a racist (which he was not) then he wouldn't discriminate against the women he was with, now would he?
That all being said, EP did in fact have intimate and sexual relationships with women of color just as he did caucasian women. But those women of color were never publicized as were the Ann Margarets, Linda Thompsons, and Sheila Ryans of his world mainly because of the world we lived in then and still do today unfortunately. In fact there were many black women linked to EP going all the way back to his adolescent years as a teenager growing up in urban Memphis. According to EP's first cousin gene Smith, who EP was very close to, they went on a double date with two teenage black girls in 1952. EP's date was from Chicago visiting and the cousin to Gene's date who lived in the Lauderdale Courts or nearby that Gene knew. The four of them were riding around the outskirts of Memphis minding their own business when their car got stuck in the mud and they couldn't get out. The story goes that a police officer saw EP and Gene with the two black girls and told him if he ever saw EP with them again that his parents wouldn't be able to identify his body. Itw as the south. That's how things were back then for those outside of America.
Another rumored link to EP and interracial dating was started by Mary Jenkins before she passed, EP's famous black cook. She went on record as saying that EP dated Bonita Cole, the niece of musical legend Nat King Cole. There is a photo of them together with B.B King on Beale Street in 1957. That same year is when the infamous shoeshine comment was supposedly said. Which we all know was never said. To back up her claim, apparently Natalie Cole, Bonita's cousin and famous singer, also has said that Bonita and EP did date once and had dinner at Nat's home in the 50's. She said this while on the christian channel TBN which she now makes public appearances on.
Another story was mentioned by Nancy Rooks, EP's other black housekeeper and cook and the only remaining one living. She said in her book that EP dated a black girl who worked for him. This could be the young girl that he paid the college tuition for a young black girl named Maggie Smith who is very quiet when talking about EP today. However she did say in Careless Love that EP was more like a father to her than her boss and that he was wonderful to her. So they obviously had a very close relationship whether it was fatherly or sexual. It is interesting that she was always overlooked by the Mafia who was supposed to be by his side 24/7. I guess they forgot about that part.
Other black females linked to EP over the years include Barbara McNair, his black co-star in Change Of Habit. Darlene Love, his backup singer for the 1968 comeback special. She has admitted to a romance with EP while on the set of Change Of Habit. I guess EP had a threesome going then. LOL. R&B singer Stephanie Spruill also claims to have dated EP. She met him and was photographed with him backstage at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas in 1974 at her concert. And then there's a jazz singer who's name I can't recall that recently admitted to dating EP and that he got the idea of Fever from hearing her sing it while he was in Paris while on leave in the Army. She said he was wonderful. So as you can see there are multiple claims linking EP to black women and interracial dating. It's not like there is just one or two. But many claims. More and more are coming out year after year.
As for what any of the Memphis Mafia say, I take it with a very large grain of salt knowing how their stories have drastically changed over the years. Gene Smith went on Hard Copy back in 1991 or 92 and said that EP made sex tapes with women during his Hollywood years and that it included "both breeds" meaning black and white. So the rumor of EP not interested or against race mixing is totally untrue. What about the support for Myrna and Jerry? He allowed them to live in his home as an interracial couple during a rough time of the 70's. If that's the case and EP was against race mixing which I doubt seriously, then he wouldn't have found it in him to kiss The Sweet Inspirations on the lips in public as he would quite often and is seen in Elvis On Tour.
For some reason society has a problem with thinking that Elvis Presley would not indulge in any race mixing activity or date a black woman. This is why EPE keeps EP as white as possible. Maybe it's because he was from the deep south at a time that it was considered breaking the law to do something like that. But he still did it knowing it was considered wrong even though it wasn't wrong. EP was always generous and treated black women with graced, love and respect. how many star black or white treat their housekeepers and cooks as good as EP did his? Not many if any at all. EP was a classy man who loved women of all colors and it showed by his affection to them all individually. Just watch That's The Way It Is and you will see EP didn't discriminate in race. his flirting with Sylvia was very evident of just that.
Anyhow that's just my opinion on this whole matter. And by the way, I too am in a deep interracial relationship with a wonderful and beautiful black woman for 2 years now. So I can strongly understand and appreciate EP's love and admiration for women of color.
1. Firstly, no we do not "all know" that Elvis was a "sex addict" as you say. There is no serious evidence of this, only hearsay from the MM and others, and somewhat exaggerated stories from Elvis himself. Yes, he liked sex, pursued it, had fun with it ... and why wouldn't he? "Sex addict" is a term used by the likes of Michael Douglas when they get caught putting their wangs somewhere where they shouldn't be. A recognised addiction (sexual or otherwise) would dominate the person involved, and this is not the case with Elvis. Sex was a normal (well, mostly normal) part of his life, but was not an addiction.1. EP was also a sex addict as we all know.
2. And if he wasn't a racist (which he was not) then he wouldn't discriminate against the women he was with, now would he?
3. And by the way, I too am in a deep interracial relationship with a wonderful and beautiful black woman for 2 years now. So I can strongly understand and appreciate EP's love and admiration for women of color.
2. Being a racist and believing that races shouldn't sexually mix can be two mutually exclusive concepts. One does not necessarily follow the other. Elvis liked women, period; I don't believe colour was a factor when he slept with them. But there is no way, no how he would have ever married or had a child with anyone other than a white woman.
3. This statement is inherently racist, although I know you certainly don't mean it to be. It's like saying all black people have rhythm. Just because the woman in your life is a wonderful person does not mean she is representative of all women of colour. She can only be representative of herself and her own upbringing and family.
Last edited by srj1967; 06-10-2007 at 10:33 AM.
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Great post srj, I agree completely!
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1)When I said 'sex addict, I mean by his having different girls constantly. EP was in some ways addicted to sexual activity. I don't mean he had to have it 24/7. I should have made myself more clear on that. I apologize for it.
2)I think it's premature to say that he would never have married or fathered a child with a black woman. For all we know, he could have a biracial child out there somewhere. There is no such thing as "safe sex" unless you are protected and EP claimed to Epsosito that he was "careful" as in didn't go all the way. But we are only human and no man is THAT careful and can control his sexual urgence that easy as many times as EP was with different women. Therefore I do not think he would have had any issues with Lisa marrying a black man. Maybe Michael Jackson because of his strange weirdness and child molesting, but not because he was black. Lisa was asked on the Howard Stern Show once what she thought her dad would have thought of her marrying or being with a black man and her reply was "he did it too so he wouldn't have judge me or the man I was with like that. He wasn't like that". For whatever it's worth.
3)There was nothing racist about my last statement. All I said was that I can understand and appreciate his open mind and admiration for black women with me being in an interracial relationship today. He actually had more black women around him at the time of his death than he did his own.
This whole subject is a touchy one to say the least. Anytime race is involved, 9 times out of 10 it leads to arguments and misunderstandings and everyone having their own beliefs. EP was from the south-yes, EP was from the 50's- yes. EP was white-yes. But just because of all that does not mean EP didn't see things differently than others did. That is what made him so unique and different.
Last edited by EP75; 06-10-2007 at 11:22 AM.
Watch what you say Diane ...Great post srj, I agree completely!
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Some will have you reported just because you don't agree with their opinions and/or thoughts ...
Nope only yours. You are the only one else here out to cause trouble. I think it's obvious now. Moderators, see what I mean? See how he starts trouble?Watch what you say Diane ...
Some will have you reported just because you don't agree with their opinions and/or thoughts ...
How exactly am I starting trouble ?
Because I call you out everytime and you don't like it?
So, like the real man, you cry to the moderators because you can't handle it ?
The moderators asked me to take handle this matter in private, so, why won't you EP75 ?
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