understanding lisa

[TCBEP]

Not legally, anymore .

What do you mean by this? Do you know something we don't know?

[ajr]

Not hardly.....she's just gotten married 3 times.
She's ok IMO......

Things change with marriage ,whether you decide to change your last name or not.

[TCBEP]

It's just that when you said that Lisa wasn't "Legally" a Presley anymore, i wondered what you meant. I asked the question because i know that "Legally" Lisa is still a Presley but you said "Legally" she wasn't, what did you mean by that??

[ajr]

Let's not start any new rumors.....
Lisa WAS born a Presley. She married the Keough, then M.Jackson then, Cage & now another one. Generally, women change their last names to their husbands. I have no idea if Lisa ever bothered.

There WAS a wild story going around several years ago that Lisa was NOT Lisa , but another woman was. I never believed any of that story; though apparently some did.

That's all I meant .

[patricia]

I agree with you diane, it seems that Lisa has so much hurt and disappointment. Priscilla should off been there for her no matter what, kids always come before boyfriends, but in lisa case she was always getting shipped off here and there, so priscilla could do what ever she wanted. Not long after elvis death, priscilla shipped lisa off to summer camp, l think that is just insenstive to do that to someone who just lost there father. Lisa turly needs the happeniss and be accepted for who she is and the person she has become.

that s very true
priscillas live in lover in the eighties was michael edwards and he fancied lisa and admitted so. he even said that he was sexually aroused by her when she was a teenager
priscilla knew about it while still staying with him, what kind of a mother would do that ?
i think shes jealous of her daughter as well
when lisa had some make up on priscilla demanded she wash it all off, shes jealous
shes even been know to slap her daughter across the face on occasion
she was not looking after her as she shoul d of been because lisa was getting it on at aged 15 with a guy ten years older who worked on the movie love is forever that priscilla was starring in.
unfit mother.

[KPM]

My heart goes out to her because she more than likely saw her father dead, if not, she at the least had to see and hear the panic and extreme confusion of the day he died. That scars you for life, nightmares that never go away. (I say that from personal experience)
She hears the bad comments, true and untrue, about her father and his life. She hears the jokes and rumors. I don't doubt she occasionally visits sites like this as a fly on the wall. Her life is her life but- from day one she had a million advantages and just as many disadvantages.
Its took a daughters love which wrote the song "Nobody Noticed It":


I heard broken footsteps. Was that you limping. Well, I wish that I had spent just a little bit more time with you. Tears on my ceiling. Weren?t you watching. Well, I guess none of us will ever know what comes after this. You?re still lovely. You were lovely then. All that you had to endure. I guess nobody noticed it. I know your resemblance. It?s out there walking. And I wanted you to know that I haven?t forgotten.

Well, they tried to make you look broken. But not while I?m living. ?cause I wanted you to know that I heard what you said while it was raining. You?re still lovely. You were lovely then. All that you had to endure. I guess nobody noticed it. You made me. I love you and Did you know nothing has changed. And now everyone they notice it. Everyone notices.

You?re still lovely. You were lovely then. All that you had to endure. I guess nobody noticed it. You made me. I love you and Did you know nothing has changed. And now everyone they notice it. Everyone notices.
Powerful lyrics form her heart.

[joanne]

I totally sympathise with her for the loss of her father and I started this thread because I have tried to see the good in her but sometimes it has been difficult.
I warmed to her a little on the Oprah show but only to find that the next time I saw her she was quite rude.
She constantly moans about the media and the questions about MJ and NC but you can`t marry two very famous men and not expect to be asked about them. The same goes about her father.
"I`m waiting for them to make one more step" she said (meaning the media).
When Oprah asked her whats the worse thing they`ve ever done and the best thing she could come up with was that they said she weighed x amount of pounds.
BIG DEAL
Compare that to what Elvis had said about his weight (when he was alive).
Nobody made her start a musical career. Nobody made her marry Michael Jackson either.
She is one of those celebrities that I don`t like which is someone who goes on talk shows and then acts like she doesn`t want to be there.
She can`t go on Oprah Winfrey and talk in depth about Michael Jackson only to do another interview and moan about being asked about him.
Elvis had a very bad year in 56 and was being brought down by nearly every adult but he never behaved in any manner that was disrespectful.
On a radio interview that I heard she was nasty to the interviewer (from commercial appeal) and I felt very sorry for him.
He was speaking to her very nicely and she suddenly started on him saying that he was always ripping on the estate etc and I found it was totally out of order.
When he asked her at the end of the interview if she was coming to Memphis to perform on her tour someone in the background on her side was a bit rude saying make it your last question etc trying to get rid of him.
Her attitude on many occasions has not been good and she doesn`t do herself any favours.
I don`t blame her attitude on her fathers death either.
We have all lost loved ones but we can`t go around for the rest of our lives thinking the world owes us something.
A persons personality is formed in childhood anyway and we all know how tyranical she was as a child.
Because a cook at graceland wouldn`t give her chocolate cake (because elvis told her not to give her any because it will spoil her dinner) she screamed "get out, this is my house" and unfortunately 30 years later she is still the same.

[Diane]

Joanne, on the whole I agree with you but Lisa was the the way she was and is now because she was "allowed" to be like that. She should have been upbraided for that kind of behavior and wasn't because she didn't have enough parental supervision. The cooks etc. were babysitters as well as what they were hired to do and it wasn't really their place to put her in her place. Priscilla was known to be "huffy" with the "help" too so was not a good example in that way.


Diane

[ajr]

Lisa, like all of us ...will have to learn the hard way.
I've always thought she appeared very angry & bitter. I give her allowance for how she feels about the MM. {just listen to me complain about them }

The people that love her, love her "*****y" attitude . I do think she needs to take up for herself .....but, there's much she still needs to figure out.
It's kinda hard to make any relationship work when you're so angry all the time.......maybe her new husband can help her .
I really, truly hope so.

[Merry]

Lisa, like all of us ...will have to learn the hard way.
I've always thought she appeared very angry & bitter. I give her allowance for how she feels about the MM. {just listen to me complain about them }

The people that love her, love her "*****y" attitude . I do think she needs to take up for herself .....but, there's much she still needs to figure out.
It's kinda hard to make any relationship work when you're so angry all the time.......maybe her new husband can help her .
I really, truly hope so.

The older women will know, that generally speaking, women don't start to think more deeply, to "come into themselves", until their forties.

Furthermore, a deeper understanding is gained, as we all grow older, of how other people tick, and why. As we grow older, we (or should) have empathy for others, as we know we've made mistakes, so of course we have to allow others to do the same, and empathise, allowing others to learn, and to develop into themselves. After all, our path, is what makes us us, and what makes us special human beings, as we learn.

Lisa is coming into herself. She has had to be strong. In her position, having to deal with how rough other people can be towards her family (lies, betrayal, who wouldn't be upset? Honestly?), I can't and won't blame her for projecting back what is/was thrown at her. In her position, with all the lies that were told, or the facts that were sensationalised by "friends" who took money to share their private moments with Elvis, I think I would be bitter, I honestly do. If hurt, I have trouble letting go of things, I honestly feel I have no right to judge her, but to empathise with her. I have trouble not over-reacting myself, towards those who betray Elvis.

I admire Lisa, she is Elvis' baby girl, and I automatically feel a fondness for her, of family, because of my feelings for him.

Jess

[ajr]

What's this "older women" crap, Jess?? I knew "everything" by the time I was 16..... Kidding, of course .I thought I knew everything at 16.

There's nothing I can do to help/change Lisa, so I'll shut up.
I can't say I like her music, but I didn't like my kids choice of music either.
{I can't remember if they "grew up" or I did }

I CAN say I think Lisa has been hurt in ways we'll never know. It IS time for her to face it . {she's pushing fourty }
She seems to react to hurt & frustration like her dad; like many of us actually. With anger .
I'm praying she'll work it out.

[Merry]

What's this "older women" crap, Jess?? I knew "everything" by the time I was 16..... Kidding, of course .I thought I knew everything at 16..

That's when you employ children, lol, as they of course, know everything.

There's nothing I can do to help/change Lisa, so I'll shut up.
I can't say I like her music, but I didn't like my kids choice of music either.
{I can't remember if they "grew up" or I did }

I really like quite a few of her songs, lol, but that would probably be the generation gap between you, Lisa and I. I also admire Lisa for writing her own lyrics and putting her feelings out there.

I CAN say I think Lisa has been hurt in ways we'll never know. It IS time for her to face it . {she's pushing fourty }
She seems to react to hurt & frustration like her dad; like many of us actually. With anger .
I'm praying she'll work it out.

Yes, I lash out, lol, so not perfect. Facing things, I look around, who does that? lol...... Yes, it comes with time, she will, she has wonderful genes, lol. I'm praying for all of them. It will work out, but people just have to be open to help from those who love them.

[hounddog]

I don't think any of us can uinderstand what it was like growing up with the madness that surrounded Elvis. All the kings men and all the wanna be kings men and all the peopel that wanted to be round him just to say they were.

I do beleive Elvis sheltered here from as much of it as possible but it must have been hard being a kid in such an adult world and she would have seen elements of it. She talks abouit it quite openly.

Elvis was Lisa's world and she defeneds him to the end but she probably saw to much for someone so young. And it has been mentioned many times that Lisa saw Elvis on the bathroom floor and yelled out "what's wrong with my Daddy." This would tend to mess you up a bit.

None of us knwo what it was like being Elvis only child. That woudl have been enough to tip most over the edge. I think Lisa is a very smart, articulate and together woman who tells it like it is about her reality.

[patricia]

I don't think any of us can uinderstand what it was like growing up with the madness that surrounded Elvis. All the kings men and all the wanna be kings men and all the peopel that wanted to be round him just to say they were.

I do beleive Elvis sheltered here from as much of it as possible but it must have been hard being a kid in such an adult world and she would have seen elements of it. She talks abouit it quite openly.

Elvis was Lisa's world and she defeneds him to the end but she probably saw to much for someone so young. And it has been mentioned many times that Lisa saw Elvis on the bathroom floor and yelled out "what's wrong with my Daddy." This would tend to mess you up a bit.

None of us knwo what it was like being Elvis only child. That woudl have been enough to tip most over the edge. I think Lisa is a very smart, articulate and together woman who tells it like it is about her reality.

Shes articulate alright.
Shes that smart she married Michael Jackson.

[hounddog]

"Shes that smart she married Michael Jackson." Most of have relationships we look back and and go what the hell was i thinking.

[Merry]

"Most of have relationships we look back and and go what the hell was i thinking.

Absolutely!

Jess

[patricia]

"Shes that smart she married Michael Jackson." Most of have relationships we look back and and go what the hell was i thinking.

relationships yes but she didnt have to marry him.

[ajr]

I think Lisa explained M.Jackson marriage ,in her own ,mixed up way.
He reminded her of her dad....the music ,the gossip, the hype he created, the press & public after him. She's said she "felt sorry for him & wanted to help him" in some strange ,weird way. She screwed up.

I've not seen any of her marriage partners chosen for a "good reason."
Except she still appears close to her first one, Danny.
But, what can I say?? The two I chose were no prizes.
I just had sense enough to give up......

[patricia]

I think Lisa explained M.Jackson marriage ,in her own ,mixed up way.
He reminded her of her dad....the music ,the gossip, the hype he created, the press & public after him. She's said she "felt sorry for him & wanted to help him" in some strange ,weird way. She screwed up.

I've not seen any of her marriage partners chosen for a "good reason."
Except she still appears close to her first one, Danny.
But, what can I say?? The two I chose were no prizes.
I just had sense enough to give up......

I`ve always liked Nicholas Cage and his movies, he seems a decent guy.
She seems to dominate the new one. It can`t be easy for the men as she wants everything her own way.
The scientology isn`t good either and Priscilla is to blame for all that.

[ajr]

I've always liked Nick Cage "movies". I'm not so sure about the man.
The first movie of his; I thought he was the ugliest man alive...
he grew on me , I guess.

I haven't heard much about her & the present one. Of course, I don't travel in their social circles....
Scientology was introduced to both Lisa & Priscilla by John Travolta .
{I used to like him } It's an "interesting "way to look at life, for sure.
I read Hubbard's book Dianetics years ago.....but saw nothing in it for me.

I don't know if Lisa wants her way all the time; or if she just seems to get it .
It would take a strong man to live with her, maybe that's what she needs??.