View Poll Results: Would Elvis have made it big if he was born outside of America?

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  • Yes - His Talent transcends continental barriers

    74 65.49%
  • No - He wouldn't of had the same opportunities

    39 34.51%
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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
    It depends upon what constitutes 'making it big'.
    If we take it to mean 'would he have made it as big' then the answer is almost certainly not.
    If Elvis had been born in the USSR in 1935 with the same looks and natural propensity for music I'm willing to bet that we never would have heard of him.

    America is the essential catalyst in the Elvis success story.

    agreed Teddy

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    ELVIS is the essential catalyst in the Elvis success story.
    Wrong. He is the subject of the success story.
    The catalyst is the music and the cultural environment from whence it came.
    'Taking Care of Beaulieu'.

  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
    Wrong. He is the subject of the success story.
    The catalyst is the music and the cultural environment from whence it came.

    Must we do this each time? Did you study biology at school?

    Catalyst
    Noun
    1. a substance that speeds up a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any permanent chemical change
    2. a person or thing that causes an important change to take place

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/catalyst

    Elvis was the catalyst that exploded the music and the world about him.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    Must we do this each time? Did you study biology at school?

    Catalyst
    Noun
    1. a substance that speeds up a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any permanent chemical change
    2. a person or thing that causes an important change to take place

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/catalyst

    Elvis was the catalyst that exploded the music and the world about him.
    You seem to have all the answers, but I have my opinion and by the looks of it so have many others, we dont need to be educated by you! you are just nit picking and looking for an argument..so lighten up we are all entitled to our opinion our aim on this site is to be appreciative of the great talent that was ELVIS, and I for one do not need to have a schoolmaa'm lecture.

    Sure we all disagree, but this sort of attitude keeps a lot of people away from this site, backbiting, and cliqueness all unessesary, how do I know that because a lot of people have told me,so come on there are young and old amongst us and its the season of good will...so "Merry,Merry Christmas..
    Last edited by ricky; 12-02-2008 at 10:06 AM.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    Must we do this each time? Did you study biology at school?

    Catalyst
    Noun
    1. a substance that speeds up a chemical reaction without itself undergoing any permanent chemical change
    2. a person or thing that causes an important change to take place

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/catalyst

    Elvis was the catalyst that exploded the music and the world about him.
    And yet another flimsy argument is concealed behind a smokescreen of semantic pedantry

    So this proves that Elvis could have enjoyed a successful music career if he'd been born in Somalia because.....?
    'Taking Care of Beaulieu'.

  6. #46
    Elvis' sound, his music, his inspiration was decidedly American -- however you care to view it. To dissect it even further, his sound was uniquely southern, unique to what was in Memphis in the 1950's. I'm also from the South. Music is different here, more specifically, black music is different here than in Memphis. They have Beale Street; we have Bourbon Street. They have blues and so do we -- but the sound is not the same.

    I am not saying that Elvis' talent wasn't evident as he was immensely talented!!! But his influences were specifically unique to his surroundings.

    As far as the America dream question, I've never read anything about any other country having the magical 'dream'.
    Last edited by ehollier; 12-03-2008 at 06:43 AM.

  7. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricky View Post
    you are just nit picking
    Quote Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
    And yet another flimsy argument is concealed behind a smokescreen of semantic pedantry
    It is neither nit-picking nor pedantry to try and find the correct definition for the word you're so casually throwing about.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

  8. #48
    Elvis is Elvis!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by easyrider View Post
    Elvis is Elvis!!!!!!!!!!!
    Er, no argument there.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    It is neither nit-picking nor pedantry to try and find the correct definition for the word you're so casually throwing about.
    That's just the thing, you see- we weren't talking about Biology.
    Since I was using the word figuratively, the 'correct definition' applies completely.
    The only discrepancy is regarding what we each consider to be the figurative catalyst.
    You are completely out of your depth with this stuff. Learn how to use the dictionary before you start brandishing it to distract attention from your flagging argument.
    'Taking Care of Beaulieu'.

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    Teddy you have made some really good statements in this thread and I have to say I completely agree with you. You are one smart bear......there is a lot more in your head then just stuffing!!!

  12. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
    Since I was using the word figuratively, the 'correct definition' applies completely.
    Ah, so now the word is figurative.

    I should have guessed.
    Getlo - cute'n'cuddly

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
    And yet another flimsy argument is concealed behind a smokescreen of semantic pedantry

    So this proves that Elvis could have enjoyed a successful music career if he'd been born in Somalia because.....?

    Teddy, I agree with you.

    It appears that most artists from Australia, who want to make it big, move to The States.

    There just wasn't, or isn't, the wealth of opportunities in Australia, as one example, as there is in The States.

    Elizabeth, I also agree wholeheartedly with you, too. Elvis had some fantastic influences for his music. Again, which other country, other than The States, could have offered Elvis the same rich background? Certainly not in Australia, at that time.

  14. #54
    With respect to my post #48, I would also like to add, whether or not this answers the actual question of the thread, you must admit, much credit for his Elvis' popularity (not talent) had so much to do with timing ...... it seems that he came on the scene at the right time in the right place, with the right influences. He had boat loads of talent to help him become so incredibly popular, but timing also played an enormous part in his discovery, his reputation, his title The King of Rock and Roll......
    "More people today should see him not simply as a performer, but as an artist with a great soul."

    John Bakke, professor emeritus
    University of Memphis

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Getlo View Post
    Ah, so now the word is figurative.

    I should have guessed.
    That's right. We were both using it figuratively.
    Most good dictionaries will clearly demonstrate its figurative use, since it can only be used in its literal sense if we are discussing chemical reactions.
    'Taking Care of Beaulieu'.

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