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    Answer to Psychologists on Fans

    ajr asked me a question in another thread and I think its answer belongs in a different context to that thread on Elvis and MSG.

    Quote Originally Posted by ajr View Post
    There have been "noted" psychologists, etc. that wrote huge books to try & explain the "Elvis phenomona ".
    And of course, they make his fans look crazy, sick, in need of help to recover our sanity.
    What can you add to the world of academia & why they are so determined to take away from the mystique of Elvis?
    I guess I don't understand why they should even care ,much less run everyone down. Do you feel "sick" Father ??
    Thats a big question ajr!
    Sometimes I don't feel sick, but I worry I get too much into the whole Elvis Universe - I suspect most of the time though that?s because of people's perceptions of Elvis fans [like the man himself - I do worry a lot of what people think about me!]
    The two words you used "phenomena" and "mystique" are so appropriate. I can speak principally for myself, but also I guess from experience of other fans - people who don't just like the music but that whole phenomena.

    There is undoubtedly a psychological element to it. For me there is the unsurpassable talent of the man himself, his charisma and, yes, the tragedy of his story. I think sometimes we are like opera buffs, but our opera beats Wagner's Ring Cycle hands down for duration as it lasted 42 years.

    I read on another thread today someone disliking the use of the phrase "Elvis was human" and I understood what they meant, we are all human and each of us has their own universe in which to exist with its trials and tribulations. In Elvis there is someone who lived through many trials and triumphs and who not only lived through them, sang through them. I don?t think there is any other artist who so fully did so with the range of music he presented and left us with. Take Aloha, one tiny little portion of his body of work; in that there is a moment for the sad, a moment for the joyful, a moment for the lover a moment for the broken hearted and songs of triumph and tragedy. In this respect Elvis is that "everyman" or "common man" who in the world of drama stretches back as a symbol through Shakespeare right through to the ancient Greek dramas. Only Elvis isn't a fictional character, Elvis WAS.


    For fans this I think is overwhelmingly attractive, no matter where we come from or the experiences we have we share that common humanity with its experiences of joy and brokenness. We, I think and feel, are the lucky ones because we have found someone to share that with.

    My academic background is in Theology and Philosophy and Egyptology(!) I'm still working at a university as a researcher in Philosophy. There you constantly find in literature that search for the everyman. In Christian Theology there are of course two such figures: Christ and King David (if you ever feel inclined, anyone of any faith or none, might read the psalms and find the same range of emotions expressed there as I mentioned above in relation to Aloha). One is historically distant, the other is Perfection himself. Elvis is a historical figure more present to us, expressing his personal struggles in a way not masked to us by the formal language of ancient writings. And Elvis is a story of imperfection, the struggle of life which sometimes causes people to give in, and perhaps at times give up.
    The individuality of humanity makes all people ?misfits?: Elvis fans have someone who, to a greater or lesser degree, they find they can ?fit with.?

    Again I say, we are the lucky ones in the encounter with Elvis and, often, one another as fans. That abiding hunger of humanity to know ?I am not alone? is answered to some degree when we read the books and listen to the music.

    Why knock us though? Never doubt that the world of academia is a small and enclosed highly focussed world prone to internal and external jealousies. A constant effort, especially in the current academic climate of funding and grants, a place where people?s very raison d?etre can often be to prove themselves the best and most intelligent. And along comes a simple southern lad who with his voice can touch people in a way their thesis can never manage, and in a way they themselves cannot perhaps engage with. I know I?d prefer to listen to ?And I Love You So? than read ?The Id in Anglo-Saxon Emotional Reticence?!

    I don?t think we are sick. I?m sure Elvis attracts some people who are prone to such things, as will anything which engages the emotions (come to Church and see the few who sadly tremble to know that?s a fact!) but for the majority its an emotional attachment to someone who sang the song of his life and often ours too ? a song of joy and sadness. And of course, this answer to your question could be intolerably longer!

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    Thank you Conor for your post.. I am very happy that there are many Elvis Fans from all over the world that share the same love and respect for a man who sang with his heart & soul and gave so much joy to the world. He had is own unique personality and was not afraid to express himself in his own way.

    I feel blessed to have had him in my life and have made some awesome friends through him... he has touched my life in many ways. I realize many do not feel the same way or even like Elvis but I wonder if they truly listen to his awesome voice. Dovey
    Get Him, get him~~Hot D*** ~~ he's a Squirrel!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI7WiBUN_Bw

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    Thank you Conor for your post. I think we may all worry that Elvis places too much importance in our lives but I also think that unless we view him as the second coming, we're doing all right.

    What non-Elvis fans don't see is the great comfort and enjoyment we get from his fantastic voice and how he related to his audience and fans. I think they're missing out on something wonderful that the world may never see again.
    Diane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    I also think that unless we view him as the second coming, we're doing all right.
    Yes, I agree.

    I loathe any comparisons between Elvis and Jesus Christ - partly because I am a card-carrying athiest, and partly because it's just plain offensive on so many levels.

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    Conor.....
    You answered better than I could ever hope to. IF ONLY...some of us had been around to stop all the BS when others started putting him & his fans down from the beginning.
    I cannot understand why some people think it's necessary to laugh at him & his fans . Jealously , fear ?? I don't know.

    I have had the worst fights/disagreements with some of the so called "intellectual" academia than anyone.
    I don't think he was a "god" & I see his mistakes...

    Thank you for your excellent answer. I didn't mean it wrong, I was sure you could give me an intelligent answer to these "better than thou" type of people. I think I'll keep your answer & give it to some of them.....
    Bless you, & thanks again for your thoughtful answer.

    Can we love too much?? I don't think so.

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    The humanity of Elvis is what, IMO, touches us. He was just like us in so many ways, he had fears, anxietys, shortcomings and yet he was so different in others-his talent, chrisma, looks. You can not help but feel for the problems he faced, because many of them may be our problems. I can tell you when he really smiled it just natuarally brings a smile to your face.
    My wife went to see Elvis with me and she was not an Elvis fan really-but she happened to be down lower in the auditorium near the rest rooms when "2001" began to be played she knewthis was it so she, and every woman that could, stepped out of line to watch -Elvis strode out and paced from one corner to the other and he looked up and smiled in the general direction of where my wife was watching(amonst 35-40 women-amonst 12,000 people) she came back to her seat and screamed "HE SMILED AT ME, HE SMILED AT ME"- instant fan. I still tease her about it.
    Last edited by KPM; 04-15-2007 at 01:33 PM.

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    Good post, great comments. Especially liked KPM's story of his wife coming over to Elvis side of the street. I sometimes wonder if I'm going into Obsession Mode, but I enjoy Elvis' company, albeit through recorded music & films than by having him sitting next to me in my family room. I own a lot of his Cd's now & have almost completed my collection of his movies - although I don't have nearly as much as some fans. I don't explain or defend myself to non-Elvis fans, I merely smile & state firmly "I like Elvis, ALOT!"
    And yes, I know Elvis is dead, "May the souls of the faithfully departed through mercy of God, rest in peace."

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    Elvis was one of a kind, a great human being! The greatest singer, IMO, and there won't ever be anyone like him ever again! He was truly original!

    What I don't understand is when non-Elvis fans laugh and ask...how can you like Elvis or be a fan, since he's been gone so long?

    Why question what is obvious? He had a presence and charisma, that nobody could ever match! If those non-fans just listened to him sing, with an open mind, they wouldn't ask anymore!

    franny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis_Priestly View Post
    ajr asked me a question in another thread and I think its answer belongs in a different context to that thread on Elvis and MSG.



    Thats a big question ajr!
    Sometimes I don't feel sick, but I worry I get too much into the whole Elvis Universe - I suspect most of the time though that?s because of people's perceptions of Elvis fans [like the man himself - I do worry a lot of what people think about me!]
    The two words you used "phenomena" and "mystique" are so appropriate. I can speak principally for myself, but also I guess from experience of other fans - people who don't just like the music but that whole phenomena.

    There is undoubtedly a psychological element to it. For me there is the unsurpassable talent of the man himself, his charisma and, yes, the tragedy of his story. I think sometimes we are like opera buffs, but our opera beats Wagner's Ring Cycle hands down for duration as it lasted 42 years.

    I read on another thread today someone disliking the use of the phrase "Elvis was human" and I understood what they meant, we are all human and each of us has their own universe in which to exist with its trials and tribulations. In Elvis there is someone who lived through many trials and triumphs and who not only lived through them, sang through them. I don?t think there is any other artist who so fully did so with the range of music he presented and left us with. Take Aloha, one tiny little portion of his body of work; in that there is a moment for the sad, a moment for the joyful, a moment for the lover a moment for the broken hearted and songs of triumph and tragedy. In this respect Elvis is that "everyman" or "common man" who in the world of drama stretches back as a symbol through Shakespeare right through to the ancient Greek dramas. Only Elvis isn't a fictional character, Elvis WAS.


    For fans this I think is overwhelmingly attractive, no matter where we come from or the experiences we have we share that common humanity with its experiences of joy and brokenness. We, I think and feel, are the lucky ones because we have found someone to share that with.

    My academic background is in Theology and Philosophy and Egyptology(!) I'm still working at a university as a researcher in Philosophy. There you constantly find in literature that search for the everyman. In Christian Theology there are of course two such figures: Christ and King David (if you ever feel inclined, anyone of any faith or none, might read the psalms and find the same range of emotions expressed there as I mentioned above in relation to Aloha). One is historically distant, the other is Perfection himself. Elvis is a historical figure more present to us, expressing his personal struggles in a way not masked to us by the formal language of ancient writings. And Elvis is a story of imperfection, the struggle of life which sometimes causes people to give in, and perhaps at times give up.
    The individuality of humanity makes all people ?misfits?: Elvis fans have someone who, to a greater or lesser degree, they find they can ?fit with.?

    Again I say, we are the lucky ones in the encounter with Elvis and, often, one another as fans. That abiding hunger of humanity to know ?I am not alone? is answered to some degree when we read the books and listen to the music.

    Why knock us though? Never doubt that the world of academia is a small and enclosed highly focussed world prone to internal and external jealousies. A constant effort, especially in the current academic climate of funding and grants, a place where people?s very raison d?etre can often be to prove themselves the best and most intelligent. And along comes a simple southern lad who with his voice can touch people in a way their thesis can never manage, and in a way they themselves cannot perhaps engage with. I know I?d prefer to listen to ?And I Love You So? than read ?The Id in Anglo-Saxon Emotional Reticence?!

    I don?t think we are sick. I?m sure Elvis attracts some people who are prone to such things, as will anything which engages the emotions (come to Church and see the few who sadly tremble to know that?s a fact!) but for the majority its an emotional attachment to someone who sang the song of his life and often ours too ? a song of joy and sadness. And of course, this answer to your question could be intolerably longer!
    Very well said

    I dream a world where man no other man
    will scorn. Where LOVE will bless the earth
    and peace its paths adorn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajr View Post

    Can we love too much?? I don't think so.
    Tell that to someone who's been stalked. Yes, people can love too much sometimes ...

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    I have to disagree with you this time srj, when someone stalks it's not love anymore but obsession.........

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    Yes, A stalker is not someone "in love"; but someone obsessed .
    Though they will tell you different.

    The answer to that comes with the explanation of what love really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis_Priestly View Post
    ajr asked me a question in another thread and I think its answer belongs in a different context to that thread on Elvis and MSG.



    Thats a big question ajr!
    Sometimes I don't feel sick, but I worry I get too much into the whole Elvis Universe - I suspect most of the time though that?s because of people's perceptions of Elvis fans [like the man himself - I do worry a lot of what people think about me!]
    The two words you used "phenomena" and "mystique" are so appropriate. I can speak principally for myself, but also I guess from experience of other fans - people who don't just like the music but that whole phenomena.

    There is undoubtedly a psychological element to it. For me there is the unsurpassable talent of the man himself, his charisma and, yes, the tragedy of his story. I think sometimes we are like opera buffs, but our opera beats Wagner's Ring Cycle hands down for duration as it lasted 42 years.

    I read on another thread today someone disliking the use of the phrase "Elvis was human" and I understood what they meant, we are all human and each of us has their own universe in which to exist with its trials and tribulations. In Elvis there is someone who lived through many trials and triumphs and who not only lived through them, sang through them. I don?t think there is any other artist who so fully did so with the range of music he presented and left us with. Take Aloha, one tiny little portion of his body of work; in that there is a moment for the sad, a moment for the joyful, a moment for the lover a moment for the broken hearted and songs of triumph and tragedy. In this respect Elvis is that "everyman" or "common man" who in the world of drama stretches back as a symbol through Shakespeare right through to the ancient Greek dramas. Only Elvis isn't a fictional character, Elvis WAS.


    For fans this I think is overwhelmingly attractive, no matter where we come from or the experiences we have we share that common humanity with its experiences of joy and brokenness. We, I think and feel, are the lucky ones because we have found someone to share that with.

    My academic background is in Theology and Philosophy and Egyptology(!) I'm still working at a university as a researcher in Philosophy. There you constantly find in literature that search for the everyman. In Christian Theology there are of course two such figures: Christ and King David (if you ever feel inclined, anyone of any faith or none, might read the psalms and find the same range of emotions expressed there as I mentioned above in relation to Aloha). One is historically distant, the other is Perfection himself. Elvis is a historical figure more present to us, expressing his personal struggles in a way not masked to us by the formal language of ancient writings. And Elvis is a story of imperfection, the struggle of life which sometimes causes people to give in, and perhaps at times give up.
    The individuality of humanity makes all people ?misfits?: Elvis fans have someone who, to a greater or lesser degree, they find they can ?fit with.?

    Again I say, we are the lucky ones in the encounter with Elvis and, often, one another as fans. That abiding hunger of humanity to know ?I am not alone? is answered to some degree when we read the books and listen to the music.

    Why knock us though? Never doubt that the world of academia is a small and enclosed highly focussed world prone to internal and external jealousies. A constant effort, especially in the current academic climate of funding and grants, a place where people?s very raison d?etre can often be to prove themselves the best and most intelligent. And along comes a simple southern lad who with his voice can touch people in a way their thesis can never manage, and in a way they themselves cannot perhaps engage with. I know I?d prefer to listen to ?And I Love You So? than read ?The Id in Anglo-Saxon Emotional Reticence?!

    I don?t think we are sick. I?m sure Elvis attracts some people who are prone to such things, as will anything which engages the emotions (come to Church and see the few who sadly tremble to know that?s a fact!) but for the majority its an emotional attachment to someone who sang the song of his life and often ours too ? a song of joy and sadness. And of course, this answer to your question could be intolerably longer!
    Hey great post, thank you Father Conor! You said; "Sometimes I don't feel sick, but I worry I get too much into the whole Elvis Universe - I suspect most of the time though that?s because of people's perceptions of Elvis fans [like the man himself - I do worry a lot of what people think about me!]"
    That?s what I?ve been wondering, sometimes I think my thoughts are driving me nuts Maybe they have already


    "You can knock me down, step in my face,
    slander my name all over the place"
    - But don't YOU step on my blue suede shoes -


    desiree

    *You walk past me- I can feel your pain-Time changes everything -One truth always stays the same - You're still you - After all - You're still you *

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    Quote Originally Posted by desiree View Post
    Hey great post, thank you Father Conor! You said; "Sometimes I don't feel sick, but I worry I get too much into the whole Elvis Universe - I suspect most of the time though that?s because of people's perceptions of Elvis fans [like the man himself - I do worry a lot of what people think about me!]"
    That?s what I?ve been wondering, sometimes I think my thoughts are driving me nuts Maybe they have already
    Fear not desiree, if you're worrying you might be mad, its a sure sign you're not. The problem is when you're convinced you're totally sane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis_Priestly View Post
    Fear not desiree, if you're worrying you might be mad, its a sure sign you're not. The problem is when you're convinced you're totally sane!
    Yes, that's the truth

    I dream a world where man no other man
    will scorn. Where LOVE will bless the earth
    and peace its paths adorn...

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