Reply With QuoteTHANKS to everybody for the information... And Leroy, great pictures.
And here is a scene from Loving You where Elvis (Deke Rivers) is using the Gibson J-45.
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Hmmmmmm. I hate to be the new guy and seem like I'm constantly disagreeing with you guys, BUT after closer inspection I don't think that's a J45. My first problem with that guitar are the fret dots. The don't coincide with where they should be on a Gibson. Also the upper curves on that guitar (where a cutaway would be) look really wide and flat compared to any J45 I've seen. "The Loving You" J45 has more of a Gibson shaped body than this guitar. Lastly the headstock is not Gibson shaped in the "Trouble With Girls" guitar. No pickguard either.Originally Posted by Leroy
I know that. But that is the guitar that Elvis used during the song of Got A Lot Lovin' To Do.
No way. They are two different guitars. I really don't think the "Trouble With Girls" guitar is even a Gibson anymore. Look at the frets on this guitar!! That looks like no Gibson I've seen and the pitch of the headstock looks more silvertoneish to my eyes.
I think people are making the mistake that these were all Elvis' guitars and he brought them to the movie sets. That didn't happen. Possibly in the 50s movies when his real band was cast as extras he could have used his own guitar. But I kno wthe 60s movies had a stipulation written in the contract that Elvis couldn't wear any thing as small as his own jewlery in the movies so why would they let something as big as a guitar in? Sure EPE owns the Burns 12 string from Spinout. But there's no proof that is the same guitar from the movie.
The proof is from scottymoore.net. That site tells all on Elvis' guitars that he used over the years.No way. They are two different guitars. I really don't think the "Trouble With Girls" guitar is even a Gibson anymore. Look at the frets on this guitar!! That looks like no Gibson I've seen and the pitch of the headstock looks more silvertoneish to my eyes.
I think people are making the mistake that these were all Elvis' guitars and he brought them to the movie sets. That didn't happen. Possibly in the 50s movies when his real band was cast as extras he could have used his own guitar. But I kno wthe 60s movies had a stipulation written in the contract that Elvis couldn't wear any thing as small as his own jewlery in the movies so why would they let something as big as a guitar in? Sure EPE owns the Burns 12 string from Spinout. But there's no proof that is the same guitar from the movie.
The proof of what? That Elvis used a J45 in Trouble with Girls? I don't see that on scottymoore.net. What are we even debating anymore?
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For some reason that is the only guitar that isn't listed. But the others are. But several hardcore fans can tell you that is the same guitar that he used in other movies and that is his guitar. They have the proof that it is the same guitar. One book I have states that it was Elvis' idea to used the J-45 guitar for the movie The Trouble With Girls even though it was originally going to be J-200. That is from a book that shows Elvis with the J-200 guitar on the set of The Trouble With Girls. But in the movie it shows him playing the J-45. But one thing I know why he didn't use it. It had his name on it. I think it would look a little stupid on his part to play his own guitar with his name on it while he is in a movie playing a character with a totally different name.
The Gibson J-200 from "Loving You" is the same one he used in "Thats the way it is" It was customized fro him as a birthday surprise in 1960 from what ive heard.they put the new pickguard on it and the name on the neck.he used it in the Pearl Harbor concert in hawaii also and at the Ellis auditorium shows before starting to use it again in 1969 vegas. the j 200 used in the comeback special was a different one that he bought.
So you're telling me they used the same exact guitar from a movie 10 years earlier? Your first "proof" was erronous and now your not able to provide an actual source? I find it difficult to take your posts seriously at this point. Did you even look at the differences between the "Trouble with Girls" guitar and a actual Gibson J45 that I previously mentioned? Maybe it took those 10 years between those two movies to modify itself into a different body and headstock shape huh?
Ok, I'm getting a bit too sarcastic now. But seriously, the point of this post is to try to make some sense out of these guitars and not spew fourth erronous claims. There's too much of that surrounding every other facet of this man. I want SOURCES!! Several hardcore fans don't count as to backing up claims that it was actually his guitar, and you haven't been able to come up with another movie aside from Loving You that this guitar was used in. It appears to have been a prop.
Ok, I'm getting a bit too sarcastic now. But seriously, the point of this post is to try to make some sense out of these guitars and not spew fourth erronous claims. There's too much of that surrounding every other facet of this man. I want SOURCES!! Several hardcore fans don't count as to backing up claims that it was actually his guitar, and you haven't been able to come up with another movie aside from Loving You that this guitar was used in. It appears to have been a prop.
It is the same guitar. Here is the J-45 in Loving You and The Trouble With Girls. They look like the same guitar to me and the headstock looks the same and the body does too.
This is the J-45. How does the body look different? How does the headstock look different?
J-45 was also used in Jailhouse Rock, Blue Hawaii, and Girls, Girls, Girls. Please watch the movies to see it.
J-45 in Blue Hawaii:
Leroy even provided the same info in the 9 post on the first page. Where have you been if you don't mind if I ask? Since you was a little sarcastic I have to be too.
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Ahh yes you're right it's in Blue Hawaii. Bad on my part!It is the same guitar. Here is the J-45 in Loving You and The Trouble With Girls. They look like the same guitar to me and the headstock looks the same and the body does too.
This is the J-45. How does the body look different? How does the headstock look different?
J-45 was also used in Jailhouse Rock, Blue Hawaii, and Girls, Girls, Girls. Please watch the movies to see it.
Ok, look at the headstock it's shaped differently. And also the top bout seems fatter on the "Trouble w/ Girls Guitar"
Also, look at the fret dots on the fretboard. They differ.
It does look a bit fatter in The Trouble With Girls than Loving You but you are need to know that pictures taken can make things look different in size. Elvis is standing in the Loving You picture that is provided and sitting down in The Trouble With Girls. Both pictures the guitars are pointing in sightly opposite directions which can make it look fatter but it actual it is not. As for the frets. The neck of the guitar can change it look different. Who knows what could of happen. Maybe the neck was broken and had to be replaced with a new one.
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Supertwangreverb, there is at least one thing you are right about. The pick guard is missing on the guitar that's used in Trouble With Girls. Also the dots in the fret board seem to be bigger. This could mean this is not the same J-45 as the one he used in some of his earlier movies. I'm not totally convinced it isn't a Gibson but maybe we have to dig deeper. So let's park this one for a while until we have more material to rely on.
Well, I can look through my Elvis archives that I have. I have several papers on his guitars and so on. Maybe they can shed some light on it. But I won't get to those papers until monday. I have a stack of papers on his guitars that it isn't funny. It is about a half foot thick. Which isn't alot of papers to tell the truth but it is alot on jsut his guitars.
I'm going to look through some of my books too and see if I can find any information on Gibson making adjustments to the J45. Maybe it is a Gibson, maybe it's not. But atleast we can agree that it doesn't look the same as it did in '57.
We can't park this one this just yet..
Similar question, is this the same guitar?
Frank
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These GibsonJ J-200's are the same type but they are different. The left one is refurbished in to Elvis' Custom Gibson and the right one is a 1960 replacement.
Found a little info on J-45. One of my source say it is the same guitar that was used in the all the movies it appeared in. J-45 was redone sometime between the year of 1967 and 1968. It says that only minor chances was done which included a new head piece. But it says that it is indeed the same guitar. My source shows a picture of Elvis holding the guitar on the set of Loving You. Then it shows a picture of it from the Trouble With Girls with Elvis holding the guitar and the J-200 right by him. But it does say it is the same guitar that was used in all of the movies it appears in.
But the source doesn't say why it was redone.
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