Sonny west and Dave Hebler conference 1977

[elvis himselvis]

um no i did not say that they din't want money, carefully read the post and then comment, i stated that VERNON's concern was money.

I'm sorry my friend
i was talking about the post of cheiff 77

[Joe Car]

Anybody who thinks that they wrote this book to help "straighten" EP out, isn't being realistic. They wrote it for the $$$$$. Whatever Elvis offered them was nowhere near what they were to earn through the sales of E-What Happened.

[JDD]

Anybody who thinks that they wrote this book to help "straighten" EP out, isn't being realistic. They wrote it for the $$$$$. Whatever Elvis offered them was nowhere near what they were to earn through the sales of E-What Happened.

I think that depends which one of them that you're discussing. Sonny and Red both to me seem like it was at least in part to try and shock Elvis into shaping up and kicking the drugs. In Part I'm sure it was also part revenge, He had fired them with no notice. I know I'd be Pissed off.

On the other hand Hebler wasn't that well liked by Elvis at the end, if those tape of phone conversation with Elvis and Red after the fact are legitimate.
It seemed Mutual as the worst stuff in that book, came from him.
If the tape was legit, he was hurt, and they said they were as well, but it sounded as if Elvis forgave the West Boys.

Also Sonny and Red both claim that a lot of what they said, to Steve Dunleavy was changed.

It would have been interesting to see If Elvis had lived another 5 or 10 years what effect the book would have had on him personally, if it would have led him to "straighten up" . The main
thing that seemed to bother him was that suddenly other people would know.

[Glenn]

Is the whole conference on Youtube. If not maybe someone can put it on Youtube if they have it. Pretty please

[CHRISTIAN M]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_2JhupjT5c

Hope this help you
Christian M

[Merry]

To the Moderators and fellow Fans:

As an Elvis fan, I'm wondering if this video should be removed, and not shared?

The reason why, is that what Sonny is saying, is opposite to the PROOF from the Coroner, that Elvis didn't have what Sonny said was in his body.

These lies shouldn't be perpetuated, I respectfully feel, that the rumours should NOT be perpetuated here, and that video removed.

I'm not wanting to cause trouble, I'm talking about being respectful of Elvis' memory, and the obvious flaw in Sonny's argument, somehow (perhaps) trying to explain his behaviour.

I wasn't there, obviously; however, I just feel saddened if lies are spread, because of this video, especially to such a large membership, such as TCB has (referring again to the statement re the Coroner's report saying what Sonny claimed was in his system, WASN'T at all).

I'm happy to remove my post, if need be.

Repectfully,

Jess

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I've often wondered if the Wests/Hebler hadn't leaked that they were writing a book would Elvis have re-hired them?

To get back to the book; I think there was a multitude of reasons the book was written, Anger, Money & to help Elvis. This is a toxic cocktail and nobady come out of it looking good. As they saying goes you hurt the ones you love

[elvis himselvis]

what sonny is saying about the cocaine is true...he did it in 1974
but i have heard he took it a couple of times,but didn't like it and then stopped with it...

[Tony Trout]

There were fourteen different drugs found in Elvis's system when he passed away....included also is information about the drugs found in Elvis's system and how they affect the body over either a short time or a long span of time:

Codeine (and I always thought he was allergic to Codeine? )

Morphine

Quaalude (sedative or a "downer")

Valum (sedative or a "downer")

Diazepam metabolite (a sedative or "downer")

Valmid (yep, another sedative or "downer")

Placidyl (you guessed it....another sedative)

Amytal (A sedative or "downer" that also has analgesic properties)

Nembutal (once more...a sedative or "sleeping pill")

Carbrital (another sedative)

Demerol (a pain-relieving drug)

Sinutab (the decongestant)

Elavil (antidepressant)

Aventyl (antidepressant)


He may not have had cocaine in his system but he most definitely had either uppers or downers in his system at the time of his death...from looking at the list there's no denying that...


Elvis definitely was not a saint...even though I detest talking 'bout the circumstances of his death and what brought it on, you can't just overlook the fact that Elvis literally abused his body way beyond his limit by abusing prescription and harder drugs....it's a well known fact that Elvis would "mutilate" himself just to get more "stuff"...and by 1973 he had literally become an addict...and it cost him his life.


I think it's time we stop trying to avoid the drug issue in regards to Elvis and stop pretending he was "Mr. Goody Two-Shoes Who Never Did Anything Wrong".....


Elvis was a man...he had his faults...he was not perfect by any means...he wasn't a god...he wasn't a super human being....he was an incredibly gifted and talented man who as Sonny said: "had it all in the palm of his hand and the drugs took it away from him".....

[JonRomanovich]

The statement from that conference that seems to make the most sense to me is .."How do you save a man from himself?"

[meg]

Codeine (and I always thought he was allergic to Codeine? )

Morphine

Quaalude (sedative or a "downer")

Valum (sedative or a "downer")

Diazepam metabolite (a sedative or "downer")

Valmid (yep, another sedative or "downer")

Placidyl (you guessed it....another sedative)

Amytal (A sedative or "downer" that also has analgesic properties)

Nembutal (once more...a sedative or "sleeping pill")

Carbrital (another sedative)

Demerol (a pain-relieving drug)

Sinutab (the decongestant)

Elavil (antidepressant)

Aventyl (antidepressant)

Don?t believe everything!

Nembutal and Carbrital is the same
Diazepam and Valium is the same

[Tony Trout]

Codeine (and I always thought he was allergic to Codeine? )

Morphine

Quaalude (sedative or a "downer")

Valum (sedative or a "downer")

Diazepam metabolite (a sedative or "downer")

Valmid (yep, another sedative or "downer")

Placidyl (you guessed it....another sedative)

Amytal (A sedative or "downer" that also has analgesic properties)

Nembutal (once more...a sedative or "sleeping pill")

Carbrital (another sedative)

Demerol (a pain-relieving drug)

Sinutab (the decongestant)

Elavil (antidepressant)

Aventyl (antidepressant)

Don?t believe everything!

Nembutal and Carbrital is the same
Diazepam and Valium is the same

Um, are you saying that you don't believe me? If you don't believe me, ask the coroner...these substances were found in his system at the time of his death...it's time we stop denying that he never took drugs (prescription or otherwise)...the facts are there and documented...as I said earlier, Elvis Aaron Presley was no saint...Dr. Nick gave Elvis nearly 19,000 prescriptions in the last two y ears of Elvis's life. Elvis was in absolute and complete denial that he even had a drug problem....and that denial cost him his life.

[srj1967]

For the absolute best account of Elvis' death and whatever drugs were involved, you can't go past THE DEATH OF ELVIS, WHAT REALLY HAPPENED by Charles C. Thompson II and James P. Cole.

Totally free of sensationalism, it details the whole shebang, from Dr. Nick's involvement to Elvis' own complicity. It is the best book on the subject I have ever read. It is greatly detailed, medically sound and - from a research point of view - faultless.

Amazon.com link:

http://www.amazon.com/Death-Elvis-Ja...e=UTF8&s=books

No one can deny Elvis took vast amounts of drugs. He was, for all intents and purposes, a drug addict. Of course, the stuff he was taking was "legal" as opposed to the street drugs like heroin.

Personally, I couldn't care less what drugs he took; I don't judge him for that, or anything really. I am fascinated though as to the theories as to why he took the drugs ...

[elvis himselvis]

There were fourteen different drugs found in Elvis's system when he passed away....included also is information about the drugs found in Elvis's system and how they affect the body over either a short time or a long span of time:

Codeine (and I always thought he was allergic to Codeine? )

Morphine

Quaalude (sedative or a "downer")

Valum (sedative or a "downer")

Diazepam metabolite (a sedative or "downer")

Valmid (yep, another sedative or "downer")

Placidyl (you guessed it....another sedative)

Amytal (A sedative or "downer" that also has analgesic properties)

Nembutal (once more...a sedative or "sleeping pill")

Carbrital (another sedative)

Demerol (a pain-relieving drug)

Sinutab (the decongestant)

Elavil (antidepressant)

Aventyl (antidepressant)


He may not have had cocaine in his system but he most definitely had either uppers or downers in his system at the time of his death...from looking at the list there's no denying that...


Elvis definitely was not a saint...even though I detest talking 'bout the circumstances of his death and what brought it on, you can't just overlook the fact that Elvis literally abused his body way beyond his limit by abusing prescription and harder drugs....it's a well known fact that Elvis would "mutilate" himself just to get more "stuff"...and by 1973 he had literally become an addict...and it cost him his life.


I think it's time we stop trying to avoid the drug issue in regards to Elvis and stop pretending he was "Mr. Goody Two-Shoes Who Never Did Anything Wrong".....


Elvis was a man...he had his faults...he was not perfect by any means...he wasn't a god...he wasn't a super human being....he was an incredibly gifted and talented man who as Sonny said: "had it all in the palm of his hand and the drugs took it away from him".....

I had seen a list like this one already before,but it's sad that Elvis needed so much.
When you see this list it's logical he died...sadly

[meg]

Um, are you saying that you don't believe me? If you don't believe me, ask the coroner...these substances were found in his system at the time of his death...it's time we stop denying that he never took drugs (prescription or otherwise)...the facts are there and documented...as I said earlier, Elvis Aaron Presley was no saint...Dr. Nick gave Elvis nearly 19,000 prescriptions in the last two y ears of Elvis's life. Elvis was in absolute and complete denial that he even had a drug problem....and that denial cost him his life.

I didn?t say nothing But you can?t say anything with this list!And you need to know how much(mg)

[Tony Trout]

Of course, the stuff he was taking was "legal" as opposed to the street drugs like heroin.

Um...Elvis did use Dilaudid which is drugstore heroin...Dlaudid is nearly five times stronger than morphine and two and a half times stronger than heroin.....it's not actual heroin, but it's the same difference....

I didn?t say nothing But you can?t say anything with this list!And you need to know how much(mg)

The codeine found in his system was nearly ten times the therapeutic level...if you remember, Elvis apparently couldn't take Codeine in large doses...

I believe that Elvis's dependence on alot of this stuff was psychological...I do realize that he did have certain health problems that he did need medication for but alot of this stuff he was taking he had absolutely no business whatsoever taking.

[ajr]

then you have this report : ummm, who to believe ??

http://www.elvisinfonet.com/spotligh...delvisdie.html

"As a toxicologist, if you ask me why he had the drugs (in his system), the answer is that he needed them medically. All the drugs were in a range consistent with therapy and therapeutic requirements for known conditions of illnesses which he had," Dr. Finkle said.