You are pretty much spot on with what you say Diane...Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
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You are pretty much spot on with what you say Diane...Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
Well, I'm not "coming after" you on this one King_Creole, but I do want to add a sentiment...Quote:
Originally Posted by King_Creole
I don't think that being addicted can be attributed to a person's level of intelligence. I don't think that he realized early on that the drugs would do so much damage. Even though he had the 'pill books' and studied the effects of certain med's, I still don't think that he took into consideration the effect it would have on a long term basis. And most likely, by the time it did register with him, it was far too late for him to do anything about it. He became addicted. He didn't seek help. And sadly, it cost him his life.
I agree with you BrianK. Elvis needed a 'moment of truth' and a really loud wake-up call early in the game. The enablers around him probably kept that from happening to some degree. I tend to think that Elvis' life as a whole kept him from realizing a lot of this. For whatever reason, Elvis found a comfort zone and he chose to stay there. With all of the glitz and glamour, all of the money and power....Elvis obviously still felt that something was missing. I find it sad to think that with sooo many people constantly around, he still felt all alone...Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianK
What does this even mean? Elvis "knew" the end was near? If that was the case, he'd have tried to stop it. With the exception of people dying in hospitals of terminal diseases, no one knows when their end is near!Quote:
Originally Posted by SeeSeeRider777
What's Elvis' talking about not being able to play the guitar got to do with anything here?
And the fact that he'd started saying "Adios" in some of his last performances ... this means absolutely nothing, other than the fact that he'd just happened to add it to his goodbye concert repertoire and dialogue. There is no hidden meaning, no secret codes for him to say goodbye to us, nothing like that at all.
I feel he knew it was harming his body but Elvis had a risk takers personality. He was basically gambling,and since he had some close calls, he probably thought he could win. But remember back then getting the help he needed was not like it is today. Going into rehab today is like going to a spa and no one thinks much of it. There was a family pre-disposition for abuse. And it was prevalent therefore he may also have been desensitized to the whole scenerio. If Elvis had gone into rehab the media would have had a feeding frenzy over it. Elvis tried to do many things to avoid the public doing so. The way I see it, given all of the above it was almost impossible for him to get the help he needed.
With all due respect peoples opinions-though possible in opposition to yours- are not crap. You may disagree with what I or someone else says and thats is fine. But an opinion by anyone which is characterized as crap is a little demeaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by King_Creole
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Originally Posted by KPM
Oh please, don't take everything so literal ... Geez
Perhaps, if I had wrote, "Cut to the chase", would that make u feel better ? LOL
King Creole, I agree with you. Elvis in all those remaining lonely years of his lifetime was fully aware of the consequences of his deeds even to the point that he pushed everything to the limit. Sad to say without being bias Elvis self destruct for what reason would be another complicated and long topic to discuss. That leaves us all but to speculate to the best of our knowledge.
Crap is crap-if you meant "cut to the chase" I have no way of knowing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by King_Creole
I can only go by what you post- if the meaning intended is different-how am I or anyone else to know that. I took it to mean what you posted. I can not change the meaning of words. In the context you posted thats how I took it-if I was in error I apologise. I am a little too sensitive perhaps to what I call "Stealth Bomber" insults which I have noticed sneak in under the radar but are never the less insults to someone or their opinions. As I said if I was in error I apologise.
No, because he didn't realise they were hurting him. That's my answer.
Elvis was addicted.
But, he never thought they would hurt him, right ? Because he had the book about all the prescribed drugs and what were the effects, what they contained etc.. That was his answer when people said "Do you need so much?"
Danielle
i think that Elvis did feel like the end was near. his mom had the same disposition. he was approaching the age that she was when she died and he knew that he was in extremely poor health. i don't think that he feared it, he probably welcomed it. as much as he loved certain parts of life i think he was tired of life in general. tired of being Elvis Presley.
and btw, Elvis was a solid rhythm player. i assume we've all seen "One Night With You"? that's all the proof you need that the guy could play the guitar.
Johnny Cash has commented about how Elvis's rhythm playing was great.Quote:
Originally Posted by artfromtex
On the Sun sessions its so evident how well the rhythm is played with just 3 piece
instrumentation.
Johnny Cash in an interiew:
Johnny Cash & Elvis Presley
I remember Elvis' show at the Eagle's Nest as if were yesterday. The date was a blunder, because the place was an adult club where teenagers weren't welcome, and so Vivian and I were two of only a dozen or so patrons, fifteen at the most. All the same, I thought Elvis was great. He sang That’s All Right, Mama and Blue Moon of Kentucky once again (and again) plus some black blues songs and a few numbers like Long Tall Sally, and he didn't say much. He didn't have to, of course; his charisma alone kept everyone's attention.
The thing I really noticed that night, though, was his guitar playing. Elvis was a fabulous rhythm player. He'd start into That’s All Right, Mama with his own guitar alone, and you didn't want to hear anything else. I didn't anyway.
I was disappointed when Scotty Moore and Bill Black jumped in and covered him up. Not that Scotty and Bill weren't perfect for him - the way he sounded with them that night was what I think of as seminal Presley, the sound I missed through all the years after he became so popular and made records full of orchestration and overproduction. I loved that clean, simple combination of Scotty, Bill, and Elvis with his acoustic guitar. You know, I've never heard or read anyone else praising Elvis as a rhythm guitar player, and after the Sun days I never heard his own guitar on his records.
well when elvis saw the effects of drugs when he looked at himself in the mirror he must have knew the end would come sooner rather than later i mean he tohught his problem was under controll but at the same time he wsn't blind and slowly he did kill himself by the constant abuse but i think the life style and his mental state and emotional problems from what i've read and understand we're a factor in his abuse but i think he thought he had some more time left in him and maybee at a later time change his ways but he was stubbern