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old_shep
09-18-2005, 10:29 PM
Elvis Presley' step-brother, David Stanley has told the Dutch newspaper 'De
Telegraaf' that the King of music took his own life on August 16th 1977.

Stanley, who's family have released at least seven books about Elvis over the
years claims, ?Elvis committed suicide". Stanley says. "He took three times his
?normal? dose of pills, knowing what would happen to him?.

Stanley went on to state that Elvis committed suicide because of the release of the
tabloid book "Elvis - What Happened?" written by Red West, Sonny West and
Dave Hebler. And the thought of another tiring tour of the U.S.A depressed him
and he decided to end his life.

Tommy
09-18-2005, 11:44 PM
No way, don't believe that (n) This guys looking for attention.

Tommy

RS277
09-18-2005, 11:47 PM
David Stanley needs to stop trying to make his living off Elvis. Secondly, Elvis really didn't care for Dee or any of the Stanley boy's and certanly never referred to them as his brothers.

The more I think about it, maybe David has found his calling in life.......A BAD FICTION WRITER! (n)

0349054
09-19-2005, 12:11 AM
Who pays attention to this jerk! Did he also tell how John Lennon called to the front door at Graceland, and he answered it? Oh, I'm sorry that didn't happen either!

How dumb does he think the Elvis community is? Even people who pay little or no attention to him, manage to catch him out with all the lies and contradicting stories that he spews to anyone who will listen, or preferabaly anyone who is dumb enough pay to listen to him.

Elvis took his own life? With Lisa in the house? I'm not evening going to get into the reasons why August 16th 1977, wasn't exactly a good day for Elvis to do something like that.

August 16th 1977, was fate. Elvis left this plain of existence. If David Stanley wants to maintain that Elvis took too many pills, let him. If the paper is worth it's salt it will check it all out. Besides it's common knowledge what the official cause of death was: Cardiac Arrhythmia. If he wants to postulate a new theory, let him. Its rubbish, just like anything he, his mother or brothers talk about.

NEA
09-19-2005, 12:28 AM
Yes, well, Mr. Stanley certainly 'talks' a good case...I'm sure he's a very good 'Preacher Man' and a very shrewd business man when it comes to promoting such things, but unfortunately everytime he tries to apply his business ethics to the 'Elvis World' he ends up sounding off like a true jerk!

Yes, I'm afraid it is very true that people like Stanley, Donna Early, and Dick Grob believe that the Elvis Community of Fans are dumb and so gullible with it too...It's a crying shame and Elvis would not be very proud of these people - 2 of whom are related through family!

I don't like any of them, they're either spinning yarns about the fact that they were closer than the previous one or trying to sell you something that Supposedly belonged to our man - I say get rid of these 'Special Guest Stars' at your conventions and play a movie of the real thing instead!

David Stanley is just another unknown who has his own story of events that occurred on that Sad, Fateful day in August 1977. He now has turned 'his' story into a big screen action movie entitled 'The Headhunter' - Jeez, how can the rest of Hollywood stand the competition...I wonder which 'cheesey' Elvis impersonator he has got to play his 'big brother' on screen?!

I cringe.

NEA.

0349054
09-19-2005, 12:50 AM
I love the family stuff, I don't think I have ever read in any book or ever heard Elvis ever refer to his 'brothers'!

Don't forget it was Dee who started saying Elvis slept with Glady's. They all strike me as nuts!

Cryogenic
09-19-2005, 04:04 AM
As horrific as it would have been, wouldn't it have been easier if Elvis had been shot? Then no one could play the "suicide" card. *sigh*

Seven books about Elvis? What does that tell you? This person has absolutely no shame.

Backstabbing and money-making is, unfortunately, an inherent part of the Elvis myth. And long will it continue.

0349054
09-19-2005, 12:35 PM
Well, Elvis was against suicide for religious reasons, and he held those beliefs quite strongly at the time he died. The guys who were around him in August 77' will verify that .Besides the Stanley's were stoned most of the time!

Joe Car
09-19-2005, 09:14 PM
By all accounts EP was looking forward to his upcoming tour, though he was apprehensive on how his fans would react to the West cousins book having been released two weeks earlier. He also played raquetball that morning and visited his dentist for some work he needed done. Why would somebody who's planning suicide do those things? Almost everything negative has been written about him so Stanley has to come up with something of the extreme in order to sell his books, what an a--hole.

Memphisgurl
09-21-2005, 11:07 PM
i would never think that elvis would take his own life! it was purely accidental!

1100ccRider
09-22-2005, 12:11 AM
To some degree, Elvis did take his own life, but through sustained self-destructive behavior, not the way that this character's claiming. I'm sure he was depressed, and had been for some time (clinical depression was not dealt with or medicated for back then as it is now), but I think it's almost inconceivable that he would ever have killed himself. This theory's been floated before, and I believe David Stanley's claimed it before. In fact, was it him who wrote the book with the late, unlamented Albert Goldswine that claimed Elvis was murdered? Or was that also a suicide claim? Can't keep up with all the trash...getting it and the trashmerchants mixed up in my head.

Regardless, David Stanley has proven himself an unreliable witness. Like a few of the Memphis Mafia, he was also so whacked out on drugs that his 'eyewitness accounts' are dubious by default. There's one Stanley book worth reading: Billy's...he comes across as forthright and his account meshes well with those of others who have less of an agenda to push.

Memphisgurl
09-27-2005, 06:47 PM
how the hell would he know? he wasnt there when he died! i hate it when people try to exploit his death like Mr stanley. i obviously think that it WASN'T suicide, sure elvis was lonely and had a painfull addiction, he never meant to die. this guy needs attention and its in the wrong way.

Scottishthistle
09-27-2005, 08:26 PM
SHAME ON YOU DAVID STANLEY ...YOU TWISTED LITTLE FOOL OF A MAN!! :angry: (n)

Memphisgurl
09-27-2005, 09:14 PM
I AGREE! he's nuts!

KPM
10-02-2005, 05:25 AM
He has to make a living-why doesn't he sell used cars!

JerryNodak
10-03-2005, 02:58 PM
What a load of cow dung!!!

Menwithbrokenhearts
10-06-2005, 09:22 AM
I think that "those that can't do , preach" and that sums up David Stanley's life. He is just another in a long line of those espousing to have had the inside loop and best friend card with Elvis.
I don't want to go off into a tangent about Elvis' death, but essentially he died of a broken heart. The medication made it worse and was just a band-aid on a gaping wound. A vicious cycle, more meds meant more complications meant more meds meant more complications meant more meds.... and so on, until his heart couldn't take it. Has anyone read "The Death of Elvis" ? I didn't want to but did anyway out of curiosity and found some of their theories rang true to me, expecially dealing with all the unreleased information about the autopsy and his medical intake over the years, and on that day. Good to know that Dr. Nick lost his license over that drug itenerary he made up for Elvis. Good Lord, that many drugs would kill me dead. Poor Elvis, too much trust to to too many leeches.
AAAGH, see there I go running off on a tangent again!!!!

KPM
10-06-2005, 11:17 PM
I think that "those that can't do , preach" and that sums up David Stanley's life. He is just another in a long line of those espousing to have had the inside loop and best friend card with Elvis.
I don't want to go off into a tangent about Elvis' death, but essentially he died of a broken heart. The medication made it worse and was just a band-aid on a gaping wound. A vicious cycle, more meds meant more complications meant more meds meant more complications meant more meds.... and so on, until his heart couldn't take it. Has anyone read "The Death of Elvis" ? I didn't want to but did anyway out of curiosity and found some of their theories rang true to me, expecially dealing with all the unreleased information about the autopsy and his medical intake over the years, and on that day. Good to know that Dr. Nick lost his license over that drug itenerary he made up for Elvis. Good Lord, that many drugs would kill me dead. Poor Elvis, too much trust to to too many leeches.
AAAGH, see there I go running off on a tangent again!!!!

The Stanleys are going to make as much money off Elvis as long as they can. Dee was mad because she claims Elvis told her the boys were in his will. Even Rick the one whos a preacher still in a way makes a living by using his association with Elvis as a central part of his ministry. Davids Stanleys new project called "HeadHunter" is about his life as a bodyguard for Elvis. It will go on and on, until they have squeezed every dime they can out of every true or untrue theory and story they can come up with. I think he is basically jealous of Elvis and if you listen long enough to him it creeps into his conversation.

richardo316
10-07-2005, 12:06 AM
i think the only thing any of the stanlies are interested in is how much money can the get. i have never read any of thier books and never will either.

Albert
10-07-2005, 10:33 AM
I can understand that Elvis could have overdosed himself in a moment of sadness and depression. At that moment in life nothing seemed to go right:

* his old-time friends left and wrote a nasty inside information book about Elvis
* the group of people that surrounded him was much less familiar: no Red and Sonny West, no Jerry Schilling, etc. So Elvis was forced to hire a professional bodyguards that were no friends
* his health was at an absolute low-point
* his relationship with Ginger was bad: she was way to young to be Elvis girlfriend, mother and nurse. A few months earlier she still lived home with her parents. The fact that she turned away from Elvis many times didn't do the "macho man" feelings of Elvis good. And for a guy in his earlier 40s it also even harder to coope with.
* His carreer seemed to be turned into a "Hollywood fase" all over: too many of the same gigs and little excitement to change.
* To make life (and friends) easier, Elvis had to earn more and more money. So more tours were necesary to make that much needed cash. We all know by now that Elvis was real low on cash by that time.
* Elvis was 'forced' to be the eternal Rock'n Roller in a jumpsuit. That was easier when he was in his 30s, but Elvis had problems to keep on appearing in a jumpsuit. How long could he continu to perform this way before everybody saw him as a karikature of his own image?
* When you're ugly, becoming older, heavier and bolder, is much less worse, than when you're known as being a sex-symbol for 3 decades. Thoughts about what would happen when he would become bold or old must have gone through his mind. Especially during moments when he was depressed.

So all these points might be the reason of overdosing himself in a moment of weakness, sadness and loneliness.....

Cherokee
10-07-2005, 12:18 PM
Though all the arguments that Albert stated are certainly plausible, the fact that this "I would have been a total nobody if it hadn't been for my association with Elvis" numbnut Stanley makes the suicide claim while he wasn't even there at THE moment that Elvis' body was discovered, yet claimed many times that he was, makes it all questionable at best.

Sure, Elvis had every reason to be depressed, perhaps even suicidal. Yet, his whole life proves that he was not really a man of radical actions when they would affect his (way of) life. Otherwise he would have pushed through and really stuck to his deed to fire the Colonel, but he acquiesced and stayed. My idea is that he may have even been too depressed to even commit the act of suicide, just frozen in fear and depression.
Other than that: his life style was a slow suicide track anyways. When they opened him up in the autopsy, he turned out to have the organs and overall condition of an 80 year old man. Plus the fact that especially on his mom's side of the family, many died young.......

But Stanley: he's just a fraude and should be selling second hand cars.(n)

0349054
10-07-2005, 03:16 PM
The whole autopsy wont be made public until 2027, so then I guess we will know for sure. But, I do believe he died of a heart attack.

Cryogenic
10-07-2005, 06:11 PM
I can understand that Elvis could have overdosed himself in a moment of sadness and depression. At that moment in life nothing seemed to go right:

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So all these points might be the reason of overdosing himself in a moment of weakness, sadness and loneliness.....

Conversely, they might also be the reason he had a heart attack - think of how much stress Elvis was under at that point! The chemical aspect of the drugs that day was the final "push", if you will, needed to send his heart (inadvertently from Elvis' perspective) over the edge. Oh, let's ALSO not forget he'd stressed his heart out EVEN FURTHER by playing racquetball that "night" (i.e. early morning). Depending on his sensitivity towards dentristy, he may have even got a little stressed about his minor surgery, too. Now that I think about it, I wonder how someone in Elvis' position could possibly have NOT had a heart attack.

It seems very unlikely to me that a man bent on suicide would have had a tooth filled, declared the next tour was going to be "the best ever", expended energy - however fruitlessly - to lose weight, gone to the bathroom to pill up and sat themselves on a toilet reading a pornographic book/magazine. Who ON EARTH would opt to kill themselves under those circumstances? Further, reputation was very important to Elvis - he knew he had an image, a persona and a massive talent that may have been "God given" and was felt by millions of people. I can't believe he'd choose to deliberately snuff that out - and certainly not in so undignifed and absurd a manner.

After weighing the circumstances, the notion that Elvis committed suicide is, to me at least, APOCRYPHAL.

0349054
10-07-2005, 06:30 PM
Dr. Jerry T. Francisco, Shelby County Medcial Examiner announced that Elvis died of cardiac arrhythmia due to unknown causes. He also said there is no evidence of drug abuse. He is reported to have said that his diagnosis is often used by medical examiners who arive at their findings through inference; that is by interpreting what is found at the autopsy when no specific cause of deah is apparent.

Dr. Eric Muirhead, Cheif of Pathology at Baptist Hospital and an internationally recognized authority on hypertension has said he doesent consider Heart Disease as a possible cause of death for Elvis. According to Baptist Hospital, they list Elvis' death as a drug-related death known commonly as polypharmacy. Although, some of the laboratories used by the various authorities reported finding ten different drugs while others found eight and Dr. Francisco has said only 4 were significant and these were not present in sufficient levels to cause death.

Cryogenic
10-07-2005, 06:33 PM
Some of the drugs may already have metabolised/broken down by the time they were tested for. This would invariably lead to skewed figures - sometimes high numbers (e.g. large quantities of one drug breaking down into two smaller ones) and sometimes low ones (e.g. small quantities of drugs perhaps already at undetectable levels).

There's a LOT we don't know.

0349054
10-07-2005, 06:39 PM
Very true. But one thing that I think we all do know is that Elvis had a drug problem. I don't like to say it, and woulden't to a group of people who don't understand, but on this forum I feel I can say it, as most people here are very knowledgeable about Elvis.

Lindnet
10-07-2005, 06:45 PM
sat themselves on a toilet reading a pornographic book/magazine.

I have never heard this. Somewhere in the back of my mind I seem to remember that he was reading a book about the shroud of Jesus. Am I nuts?

0349054
10-07-2005, 07:24 PM
No your not nuts! There are two trains of thought. One is that he was reading, "The Scientific Search For The Face Of Jesus", the other is that he was reading a book about The Zodiac and sexual positions, or something along those lines of sex and the Zodiac.

KPM
10-07-2005, 08:02 PM
I could never believe he purposely would do anything to take his own life.
He knew the Bible inside and out. Some call it the unforgivable sin, (you can not ask for forgiveness after you are dead, if you ask it before you must turn away from your sin and not do it) His med packets were frequently filled with placebo substitutes, according to Dr. Nick. His body stood so much from his life style and natural family genes and for whatever reason -quit. The "why?" of his death sells books, it does not change him being gone, nor add to his memory.