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eap1977
08-10-2005, 05:07 PM
Hi everybody on TCB World! ;)

First of all I want to thank you so much for all of your hard work and effort in helping keep the memory of Elvis alive and prospering! :cool: This is an awesome sight! I was wondering if I could ask everyone some questions: :hmm:

#1 Why after summer 1974 season at Las Vegas did things change (end of the 5 year napkin contract)? Why did Elvis start off in April of 75' (for the new building?) in stead of January? Things were never the same in Vegas, less shows, only appeared once in 76' and none in 77'.

#2 If he had lived was Vegas no longer a option for him? Was he just sick of Vegas or did he simply need to be challenged?

#3 Why is it so hard to get sound boards from the 73',75',76 seasons? (n)

#4 Finally (in your opinion) if Elvis had lived, would he still be as great in life as the image has grown to in death?

Thanks so much!

Greg

EnigmaticSun
08-10-2005, 07:52 PM
I'm sorry to say, but I guess that Las Vegas is deadly for anyone with real musical and/or artistic talent. It's easier for clowns, illusionists and glamour-chickens to survive there than it is for someone who really wants to do something new and different.

According to my information, Elvis got sick at the end of '74 and had a very difficult time in the first few months of '75. The tabloids were spreading a lot of lies and rumors about him, and he was having trouble with the image of him being 'fat and forty'.

Well, to be honest, I think that if you compare Elvis at his heaviest with Pavarotti, our man would appear a bit skinny, frankly said. And some people just turn 40, isn't that obvious? Of course, our highly competitive and superficial society demands us to be young and if we aren't, they want their money back. My best guess is that if Elvis would have lived, he would have turned old very gracefully, just like Leslie Nielsen did - he's also still very handsome for a man of that age!

Elvis was already having a lot of trouble in Vegas in '73 - throat problems, illness.. And if you listen to some of his shows from this period, he can be heard laughing hysterically and be plain angry just a few minutes later. There's a FTD release which portrays this quite well, I think it was 'Closing Night'.

In '74, he started out the Vegas season quite well in January, but when he made his return in August the crowd didn't seem to appreciate his renewed set list, with a lot of more recent, serious and emotional songs. The crowd only seemed to respond to songs like Hound Dog and Love Me Tender and of course we all know that Elvis at that time had matured a lot and these oldies weren't that important to him anymore.

His physical and emotional condition seemed to worsen in August, September and October and I guess this definitely had something to do with him not being recognized as an intellectual singer. People expected him to be a '50's rock'n roll singer' and while he was busy entertaining the crowd, the Colonel just seemed to waste this hard-earned money on cards, dice, poker and the casino..

According to my information, Elvis did get sick of Las Vegas. I don't why there are so few soundboards from this period, I haven't got an idea. I, for instance, would love to hear a soundboard from '76 because he was in fine shape vocally and these shows are definitely not so bad as the majority seems to be thinking. Elvis also appeared to be moving away from the overloaded Vegas sound and tried once more to go back to his roots, playing the guitar on That's Allright Mama, Blue Christmas, Are You Lonesome Tonight.. And of course he also showed the crowd he was a fine singer with operatic songs like Hurt. I guess this one fitted his voice and mood at this time!

I guess that if Elvis had lived maybe people would have gotten a more realistic perspective on how the man was/is - now folks just seem to concentrate on the lies spread in cheap books like 'Elvis, What Happened' with made-up stories about the drugs, the women and all that jazz.

Of course, Elvis wasn't like the hippies at all in the sense that he did need his medication, but he definitely stayed away from street drugs like crack or heroin. Most often people who are addicted to this shit are skinny to the bone and Elvis was a good looking man with a liquid problem in his body due to the medication, that's why he appeared chubbier than he really was.

Just my opinion folks, that's all :notworthy

eap1977
08-11-2005, 06:47 PM
Come On Guys Give Your Opinions

I am really curious as to what ya'll think about these questions????

EnigmaticSun
08-11-2005, 06:50 PM
Come On Guys Give Your Opinions

I am really curious as to what ya'll think about these questions????

I gave my opinion but nobody else seems to care.. Did I say too much, perhaps?

eap1977
08-11-2005, 08:20 PM
I gave my opinion but nobody else seems to care.. Did I say too much, perhaps?
HI, yes thank-you so very much for taking the time to give your opinion!!! :cool:

I was hoping to get others to add to what you stated, getting several different ideals.
Thanks again!

Joe Car
08-11-2005, 08:45 PM
I gave my opinion but nobody else seems to care.. Did I say too much, perhaps?

Excellent writeup, unfortunately I'm on my way to work, but I'll respond later.

richardo316
08-12-2005, 07:58 AM
i think had they booked him on a world tour it would have rejuvinated him peronally and emotionally. i think if they would have said take a year off and then planned a world tour would have given him the joy he'd been looking for.:notworthy

Raised on Rock
08-12-2005, 09:01 AM
As far as I know after the succes of the NBC Tv Show and the Memphis Sessions Elvis wasn?t thinking in Vegas back on '69, he wanted to go on tour, and he wanted to tour europe so bad. Then Coronel came with the Vegas thing, yes I think the Coronel always was afraid to lose control over Elvis, he knew that after the 68 comback he was gonna be even bigger than in the 50?s, he didn?t wanted to lose his golden gosse.

Anyway, the true is that Elvis never was very aware of his own potential, I don?t know, is just my point of view, what I mean is, he didn?t needed the Colonel at all by '68, maybe the Colonel was the best choice back in ?56, maybe he was the only thing he had to hold on back in '60, but he didn?t need him in '69 he proved that the Colonel was off after those movies and after what the NBC could have been if he (ELvis) didn?t stan up against the Colonel idea of just do some nice christams songs in a living room. But Elvis was loyal, he decided to keep in with the Colonel; now I respect that on Elvis, but the thing is that Colonel abused Elvis loyality, the Coronel was up for big cash with no risk, and thats what killed Elvis artistically, he needed the risk and challenge. An it wasn?t just the Colonel, a lot of people involved on Elvis only cared about $$$ and the industry simply exploited Elvis and burned him out, and I include a big chunck of the fans there, the ones that became Elvis fundamentalist, alienated people who wanted him to do the Jailhouse rock again and again, and simply didn?t care for any new direction that Elvis attempted to take on his shows.

Now Elvis knew that, he was no fool, but is not as easy as a lot of people think to run away from that vicious cirlce, I think Elvis was actually trying to escape from all that back on 76 and 77, he was silently planing a new master move like back in ?68, but unfortunatley his health didn?t help and he didn?t have the vital force to surprice us one more time.

Back on the question, I think Elvis enjoyied him self in Vegas from 69 to august 70, and he said well all right with it on '71 and '72, but after the Aloha Vegas was something boring to him, and by 75 it was unbearable, just like those hollywood movies after 65.

On my ideal Elvis world, I think that after the November 1970 Tour, he must take a rest, start '71 with a challenging recording session (not reapeat the nashville formula, not that the 71 sessions are bad, they?re not, but, the idea is to do something diferent and the true is that by the June nashvillesessions he was kind of bored with that), and then start a world wide tour, starting in New York Madison Square Garden, yea, a year before, the England, Europe, Eastrn Europe, Japan, what ever, and close the tour back in the us wiht a shoe in Memphis.

On my ideal but not that ideal Elvis world I think that after the Aloha, a world tour may have rejuveneted him as an artist, and of course made it feel better and distractig him from all the divorce thing.


Well that?s some of the stuff that cross my mind now.

Raised on Rock
08-12-2005, 09:17 AM
About the poll: What did Elvis needed to... Rest, England, Worldwide Tour, A Star is Born.

I think it depends at which point youre talking about; around 76-77, I think Rest and A Star Is Born was the thing. He was kind of tired of the concert formula that became his shows, he needed time to desintoxicate from all those ultrafast versions of his '50 hits and all the Vegas entretained parafernalia to get an edge to his music on stage again. Some nice rest and rpove him self as an actor one more time would to the trick on him one again.

But for example, back on '71, I think he didn?t needed Hollywood at all, some shows in England somewhere in between the January and the August Vegas season could have make him to keep in the good vibe of the last two succesfull years.

And around the time after the Aloha from Hawaii concert, go back to Vegas was a boomer, a World Wide Tour was the perfect move then, Japan, Australia, Europe and so on.

Joe Car
08-12-2005, 04:28 PM
Hi everybody on TCB World! ;)

First of all I want to thank you so much for all of your hard work and effort in helping keep the memory of Elvis alive and prospering! :cool: This is an awesome sight! I was wondering if I could ask everyone some questions: :hmm:

#1 Why after summer 1974 season at Las Vegas did things change (end of the 5 year napkin contract)? Why did Elvis start off in April of 75' (for the new building?) in stead of January? Things were never the same in Vegas, less shows, only appeared once in 76' and none in 77'.

#2 If he had lived was Vegas no longer a option for him? Was he just sick of Vegas or did he simply need to be challenged?

#3 Why is it so hard to get sound boards from the 73',75',76 seasons? (n)

#4 Finally (in your opinion) if Elvis had lived, would he still be as great in life as the image has grown to in death?

Thanks so much!

Greg

Hi Greg,
#1- The truth be known, Elvis became extremely bored with Vegas as early as 1971, yet the Colonel locked him into another long term contract. The joke is that even though EP shattered every attendance record in Vegas, he wasn't even the highest paid performer. I'm not sure of what new building your talking about.

#2-Vegas was always an option for him given his success their, but he preferred the road, no doubt.

#3- Don't know.

#4- I would like to think so. The book from the his bodyguards had just come out before his upcoming tour, so I'm sure it would have motivated him, alas we'll never know.

Just to add a bit to this, the Colonel was a degenerate gambler, literally losing millions of dollars at the Hilton, thus making lower contracts for his client. Because of his "illness" if you will, he increased his % with Elvis, to 50% and proceeded to rob him blind all through the seventies. The Colonel really turned out to be a piece of scrap. Perhaps this would explain part of the reason why EP hated Vegas, at least later on.

eap1977
08-13-2005, 03:30 AM
Hi Greg,
#1- The truth be known, Elvis became extremely bored with Vegas as early as 1971, yet the Colonel locked him into another long term contract. The joke is that even though EP shattered every attendance record in Vegas, he wasn't even the highest paid performer. I'm not sure of what new building your talking about.

#2-Vegas was always an option for him given his success their, but he preferred the road, no doubt.

#3- Don't know.

#4- I would like to think so. The book from the his bodyguards had just come out before his upcoming tour, so I'm sure it would have motivated him, alas we'll never know.

Just to add a bit to this, the Colonel was a degenerate gambler, literally losing millions of dollars at the Hilton, thus making lower contracts for his client. Because of his "illness" if you will, he increased his % with Elvis, to 50% and proceeded to rob him blind all through the seventies. The Colonel really turned out to be a piece of scrap. Perhaps this would explain part of the reason why EP hated Vegas, at least later on.

1 Elvis' Vegas schedule changed in '75 due to Dr. Nick's urging that Elvis cut down to one show a day on weekdays instead of the 2 from previous engagements. He still did 2 shows on Saturday though.
In '75 Elvis had three engagements in Vegas, the first starting March 18th, and ending April 1st. - The second August 18th-20th (rest of the shows cancelled due to illness) And the third engagement December 2nd - December 15th.

As far as not being there again until December of 1976, there was numerous reasons... First and foremost Parker had scheduled Elvis on a total of 128 tour shows that year, as well as an April-May engagement in Lake Tahoe -- making it next to impossible to book a "Vegas" season in between. Also, Elvis dislike for Vegas was becoming quite apparent in '76. Also, for the December '76 Vegas run Elvis and the Colonel had to put up their own money to rent out the showroom -- which had never happened before.. Some claim it was due to Elvis' onstage monologues, and sometimes insulting critiques of the Hilton management.. That sort of answers your #2 question. It has been rumored though that Elvis was to open the new Hilton Pavilion in October of 1977, which was specifically built for him --- but that kind of contradicts the other facts. Did Elvis sign a new STRICTER contract with Hilton for such a deal??? We may never know.

#3 - As for your questions about the soundboards from the '73-76 seasons. They exist I'm quite sure. Either In BMG's hands, or private collectors. We'll just have to wait and see If the FTD label a/o "Import" labels will bring these out in the future. As for the latter, I doubt highly as BMG has tight control over the importers now.

#4 - This is a hard question. It's kind of like a double bladed sword. If he would have lived, it would have been Elvis' decisions, and actions that would make it go either way. On one hand, he could have delved into his dreams of becoming a serious actor, slowed down on his RX habit and/or continued to find challenges to keep his interest. Or on the other hand, he could have headed down the same road he was on and lived for a few more years in "decline". I have no doubt though that since his death, Elvis' "Image" has grown to that of mystical status.... For sure the #1 artist, or as BMG titled him as "Artist of the Century".

Lonniebealestreet
09-13-2005, 03:25 AM
I believe it was Henri Lewin (then-Hilton Executive Vice President) who was quoted in Jerry Hopkins' The Final Years about the plans for Elvis to open their new auditorium, the Pavilion. The way he put it is that they didn't have Elvis play at all in '77 to whet the audience's appetite for his auditorium-opening engagement. And after Elvis died, they knew they had to come up with another mega-star--though no one could fill Elvis' shoes, of course. So it was a Muhammad Ali fight.

0349054
09-30-2005, 02:20 PM
When Elvis left Vegas in 76' he was finished his contract and vowed to never return. I don't know if he would never have returned, but I doubt he would have played Vegas for a while, at least 5-10 years.

I imagine Vegas was very boring for him. Elvis needed to be creative, and by 71 he was bored with Vegas. Imagine singing the same songs twice a night week in week out. Very boring indeed. Pity some of us wernt in the Audience opening night 74 in Vegas! We would have created such a noise that he would have come out the next night with another whole new set list of lesser known favourites!:P

KPM
10-02-2005, 02:26 AM
I think the Vegas scene was at one time a playground for Elvis and the guys. Then the Col. turned it into work by locking him into the 5 years. The Col. I think was always waiting for the shine to fall off Elvis, which is why with the movies and Vegas he was always going for long deals with more fringes benefits for himself and less money for Elvis. Europe and the world could have brought Elvis what he needed-to fight for his crown with a new advisary. To prove who he was.
Here it became to easy, I think we are partly to blame for that.

Liverbobs
10-02-2005, 03:51 PM
Regarding Vegas, I also think that Elvis did 2 shows a night 7 days a week didn't help, surely 1 show a night 5 nights a week with a couple of days rest would be enough for anybody ? You wouldn't treat a dog how Parker treat Elvis sometimes :angry:

eap1977
10-03-2005, 11:33 AM
When Elvis left Vegas in 76' he was finished his contract and vowed to never return. I don't know if he would never have returned, but I doubt he would have played Vegas for a while, at least 5-10 years.

I imagine Vegas was very boring for him. Elvis needed to be creative, and by 71 he was bored with Vegas. Imagine singing the same songs twice a night week in week out. Very boring indeed. Pity some of us wernt in the Audience opening night 74 in Vegas! We would have created such a noise that he would have come out the next night with another whole new set list of lesser known favourites!:P

We can only dream of what might have been:hmm: if that concert audience had accepted that direction! Personally I love that concert, I listen to it more than any other except the EOT: The Rehearshals.

Thanks so much for everyone posting their thoughts, I appreciate your opinions very much, keep'em coming.:cool:

toffe
05-19-2007, 11:36 PM
After the Comeback, he should have taken a rest, and then go on a world tour, insted of playing on Hilton every day, and instead of touring the states south and west every day :hmm:

pacer 1966
05-21-2007, 02:11 PM
I voted for the world tour.....This to me is the one thing that could have got Elvis out of the rut he started to get into around 1971....it was just like the movies all over again..except it wasnt the endless soundstages and silly sets,but concerts halls and Vegas...a world tour would have given Elvis a huge lift and stopped the boredom setting in as quickly as it did, but we all know now why the Colonel wouldnt allow this to happen

minty
05-21-2007, 03:27 PM
When Elvis cancelled the Aug 75 Shows he returned in Dec to fulfil his contract.Vegas in Dec has always been quiet and slow for business but when Elvis played there they sold out all the shows and business was booming,so in 76 i think it was a joint decision by Elvis/Colonel and the Hilton management to play in Dec again.Because of continuing ill health the deal of one show during the week also stayed.It is true it was planned for Elvis to open the new wing in Dec 77 so Elvis may have preferred to play Vegas in Dec doing one show a night and with the festive feeling it may have up lifted him.As for soundboards nearly every Aug/Sep 74 show is available on soundboard but after that very little is available from Vegas,no more March 75 shows left,no Aug 75 shows,a couple of Dec 75 shows but mostly incomplete and no Dec 76 shows,it seems it was preferred to record tour shows

thehillbillycat
05-22-2007, 03:05 PM
#1 Why after summer 1974 season at Las Vegas did things change (end of the 5 year napkin contract)? Why did Elvis start off in April of 75' (for the new building?) in stead of January? Things were never the same in Vegas, less shows, only appeared once in 76' and none in 77'.

#2 If he had lived was Vegas no longer a option for him? Was he just sick of Vegas or did he simply need to be challenged?

#3 Why is it so hard to get sound boards from the 73',75',76 seasons? (n)

#4 Finally (in your opinion) if Elvis had lived, would he still be as great in life as the image has grown to in death?

Thanks so much!

Greg

1. The change in the Vegas show was for two reasons. He was sick and he was doing two shows a night. So it was change to one show a night. He was also sick of Vegas itself. He thought it wasn't a challenge anymore. In his eyes it looked like he was performing in front of the same crowd night after night.

2. It was a little of both. He need more of a challenge and Vegas didn't have it anymore. This is why he was sick of Vegas itself. It didn't have a challenge.

3. Soundboards weren't always recorded. If there is some from 1975, 1976 and 1977 then either RCA, EPE or private hands has them.

4. We will never know. When he died, his image brought life of its own. So looking it that way he is alive and well but he physical body is no longer with us.


As for a new challenge, what did he needed? He needed a world tour. Even if you do one each and every year it is always a chalenge. The audience will always be different. You don't know if he would be liked or not. You don't know if the show would be successful or not. That is a true challenge.

Tony Trout
02-12-2008, 03:45 PM
Hi Greg,
#1- The truth be known, Elvis became extremely bored with Vegas as early as 1971, yet the Colonel locked him into another long term contract. The joke is that even though EP shattered every attendance record in Vegas, he wasn't even the highest paid performer. I'm not sure of what new building your talking about.

Joe, I would venture to say that Elvis was absolutely bored out of his mind with Las Vegas by the time he went back in there in January of '70. During the "lay-off" (if you will) in Vegas from August 28, 1969-January 26, 1970 Elvis became extremely bored and restless because there was nothing for him to do so he did a lot of traveling.


#2-Vegas was always an option for him given his success there, but he preferred the road, no doubt.

I can't say I blame him for preferring the road shows...they were always more exciting (at least they seem that way to me from watching concert footage).


#3- Don't know.

I've wondered this very same thing, myself...I'd love to see/hear more shows from these dates....

utmom2008
02-12-2008, 06:41 PM
I can't say I blame him for preferring the road shows...they were always more exciting (at least they seem that way to me from watching concert footage).


That's an interesting thought Tony..maybe Elvis did see it that way.:hmm: However, as a fan that saw him many times in both places, the concert dates were just a holdover while waiting to get back to Vegas. Bored or not....there was nothing that compared with sitting 10 feet away from the man watching him perform. This is the exact same conversation that Gail and I had just the other night. She said the same thing as I just said. The whole setting...the gold lame curtains, the funky cherubs, the celebrities and the King at an arm's length....there was no way to explain how that felt.

Unchained Melody
02-13-2008, 01:55 AM
Before he started worrying about his career, he needed to fix his personal life. Get off the drugs, get his weight under control, stay on a good healthy diet. That's the first thing he needed to do. I think Elvis needed some more creativity in his career, obviously he was robbed of that by Parker. Like Schilling said, once you take away creativness from a genious like Elvis you loose them. And performing one night after another, for the same crowds, same towns, its not exciting after awhile and he lost his motivation. He needed alot of changes to be done, but he should have helped himself and took control of everything sadly he didn't :( .

Tony Trout
02-24-2008, 02:31 PM
Before he started worrying about his career, he needed to fix his personal life. Get off the drugs, get his weight under control, stay on a good healthy diet. That's the first thing he needed to do. I think Elvis needed some more creativity in his career, obviously he was robbed of that by Parker. Like Schilling said, once you take away creativness from a genious like Elvis you loose them. And performing one night after another, for the same crowds, same towns, its not exciting after awhile and he lost his motivation. He needed alot of changes to be done, but he should have helped himself and took control of everything sadly he didn't :( .


I agree 100% with you, Brad. There was non one else to blame but Elvis himself.


I had a member of a Yahoo Elvis group light into me like a set of fireworks because I spoke very negatively 'bout the "drug rant" from the "Desert Storm" CD. I basically told her that by '74 Elvis was completely in denial 'bout his drug problem and that I didn't choose to wear "rose-colored" glasses and overlook this very dangerous habit and think that Elvis was a saint and could do no wrong--because he wasn't.

Lisarose
02-24-2008, 10:24 PM
Before he started worrying about his career, he needed to fix his personal life. Get off the drugs, get his weight under control, stay on a good healthy diet. That's the first thing he needed to do. I think Elvis needed some more creativity in his career, obviously he was robbed of that by Parker. Like Schilling said, once you take away creativness from a genious like Elvis you loose them. And performing one night after another, for the same crowds, same towns, its not exciting after awhile and he lost his motivation. He needed alot of changes to be done, but he should have helped himself and took control of everything sadly he didn't :( .

Definitely get healthy, but Elvis seemed to be a quick-fix kind of guy. He didn't seem to want to follow a healthy regime, just one that took care of the problem NOW! IMO, he needed to learn his own limitations. How about the opinions that say he had too big a fascination with guns, was it Sonny West who stated that he would never have been able to get overseas because he wouldn't have left his arsenal at home? I know he loved guns, but was it really as big a problem as it's made out to be?

SweetCaroline
02-24-2008, 11:03 PM
That's an interesting thought Tony..maybe Elvis did see it that way.:hmm: However, as a fan that saw him many times in both places, the concert dates were just a holdover while waiting to get back to Vegas. Bored or not....there was nothing that compared with sitting 10 feet away from the man watching him perform. This is the exact same conversation that Gail and I had just the other night. She said the same thing as I just said. The whole setting...the gold lame curtains, the funky cherubs, the celebrities and the King at an arm's length....there was no way to explain how that felt.


Like Gail and Rosanne I saw both type of venues...For many of us fans that were there NOTHING beat Vegas!!!(y)(y)(y)...How could anything beat Elvis singing that CLOSE to you with those great acoustics in the International showroom? I can't speak for Elvis, of course, but I can speak as a fan who was in both kinds of audiences. I'd take Vegas anyday over a tour show.

I can imagine the road tour with all the travel between each show would be just as tiring for Elvis... if not more so than Vegas. The exception being something extra special like MSG which I think fired him up and gave him energy. Elvis was overworked to the HILT without a doubt. I had no idea of the mans actual schedule until I read Elvis schedule one day this past year. No human should be worked that hard, and anyone, and I mean anyone....would have gotten sick of it all.

The schedule:
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/8605/allyears.html

TotallyInsane
02-24-2008, 11:16 PM
Like Gail and Rosanne I saw both type of venues...For many of us fans that were there NOTHING beat Vegas!!!(y)(y)(y)...How could anything beat Elvis singing that CLOSE to you with those great acoustics in the International showroom? I can't speak for Elvis, of course, but I can speak as a fan who was in both kinds of audiences. I'd take Vegas anyday over a tour show.

I can imagine the road tour with all the travel between each show would be just as tiring for Elvis... if not more so than Vegas. The exception being something extra special like MSG which I think fired him up and gave him energy. Elvis was overworked to the HILT without a doubt. I had no idea of the mans actual schedule until I read Elvis schedule one day this past year. No human should be worked that hard, and anyone, and I mean anyone....would have gotten sick of it all.

The schedule:
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/8605/allyears.html

I agree with this entire post!! And, in my opinion, it always seemed to me that the touring would have been more tiring than the Vegas shows. Yeah, sure he did 2 a day for most of those years but when he was done he could walk upstairs and relax. I cannot imagine going from city to city like that and not being exhausted.

utmom2008
02-24-2008, 11:23 PM
Like Gail and Rosanne I saw both type of venues...For many of us fans that were there NOTHING beat Vegas!!!(y)(y)(y)...How could anything beat Elvis singing that CLOSE to you with those great acoustics in the International showroom? I can't speak for Elvis, of course, but I can speak as a fan who was in both kinds of audiences. I'd take Vegas anyday over a tour show.

That was my point too Carole. Concerts were fun, Vegas was unbelievable. The one thing that I left out was the sound system...better than any Coliseum. When I think of Elvis...it will ALWAYS be Vegas!:notworthy:king::king::notworthy

utmom2008
02-24-2008, 11:26 PM
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I can't imagine what that would be like either Carole. To have to ask someone what town are we in today? Plus, Suite 3000 was a home away from home, bigger than most people's homes.:notworthy

Tony Trout
02-26-2008, 08:28 PM
I agree with this entire post!! And, in my opinion, it always seemed to me that the touring would have been more tiring than the Vegas shows. Yeah, sure he did 2 a day for most of those years but when he was done he could walk upstairs and relax. I cannot imagine going from city to city like that and not being exhausted.


Touring is not an easy life (or easy work..yes..work!) by no means....there have been times in the recent past where I've done two shows back to back and it's very physically demanding...


Like Gail and Rosanne I saw both type of venues...For many of us fans that were there NOTHING beat Vegas!!!(y)(y)(y)...How could anything beat Elvis singing that CLOSE to you with those great acoustics in the International showroom? I can't speak for Elvis, of course, but I can speak as a fan who was in both kinds of audiences. I'd take Vegas anyday over a tour show.

I can imagine the road tour with all the travel between each show would be just as tiring for Elvis... if not more so than Vegas. The exception being something extra special like MSG which I think fired him up and gave him energy. Elvis was overworked to the HILT without a doubt. I had no idea of the mans actual schedule until I read Elvis schedule one day this past year. No human should be worked that hard, and anyone, and I mean anyone....would have gotten sick of it all.

The schedule:
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/8605/allyears.html

There was no reason (except financially) for Elvis to do as many shows as he did in the final years of his life. I also put the blame squarely on the shoulders of one man: Colonel Thomas Andrew Parker.

utmom2008
02-26-2008, 09:35 PM
Touring is not an easy life (or easy work..yes..work!) by no means....there have been times in the recent past where I've done two shows back to back and it's very physically demanding...



There was no reason (except financially) for Elvis to do as many shows as he did in the final years of his life. I also put the blame squarely on the shoulders of one man: Colonel Thomas Andrew Parker.
You are so right. To think that during the month long Vegas engagement he would end up with 59 shows is incredible.....

Tony Trout
03-04-2008, 04:43 AM
You are so right. To think that during the month long Vegas engagement he would end up with 59 shows is incredible.....

Um...wouldn't that be 57 shows? Still, in a one month period, that's a hell of a lot of show. I'd be flat on my back after the first week...I don't see how Elvis did two shows a night during those early Vegas seasons....

utmom2008
03-04-2008, 05:01 AM
Um...wouldn't that be 57 shows? Still, in a one month period, that's a hell of a lot of show. I'd be flat on my back after the first week...I don't see how Elvis did two shows a night during those early Vegas seasons....
Are you saying I can't add or subtract? :lol::lol::D

Tony Trout
03-04-2008, 05:08 AM
Are you saying I can't add or subtract? :lol::lol::D



*In my best Curly Howard voice*.....


SOITENLY! :lol::P;)

utmom2008
03-04-2008, 05:39 AM
*In my best Curly Howard voice*.....


SOITENLY! :lol::P;)

So...you are a Stooge?:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Tony Trout
03-04-2008, 05:44 AM
So...you are a Stooge?:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:



:lol::lol::lol::P:P:P


I actually am a big fan of the Stooges....:)

rickb
03-05-2008, 02:11 AM
I voted for a wrold tour but a challenging film project (not necessarily Star is Born) may have also done the trick.
Too bad he didn't have a proper manager
rick

rhythmknights
03-09-2008, 04:27 PM
A challenging movie project, yes! but one where he would have been in control. it seems that the only time he was very successful was when he was in complete control. no one could 'work' an audience like Elvis.
i've read reviews where it states that in his movies as an actor the only time he would shine was when he was singing. maybe so, but the only time he could bring a script came to life was when he could sing a song. That's when He Could Take Control of the situation and make something out of nothing! even in later interviews whenever he was asked if would do another movie, he'd say he'd love to, as long as there was no singing. He never wanted to sing in his movies, yet he had no control - or he would exercise no control.
the only time he bucked the col. was for ;the Elvis special and we ALL know what a roaring success that was - in spite of the col. wanting to hear 'some old tired Christmas song!"

Jumpsuit Junkie
11-21-2008, 09:40 PM
I agree 100% with you, Brad. There was non one else to blame but Elvis himself.

I agree, I DON'T want to turn this into a bashing Elvis thread but yes Elvis was accountable for his own personal and mental health. On the flip side he was a victim of drug dependency, given to him by a man (Dr. Nick) who was star struck and fame hungry. Dr. Nick just wasn't objective when it came to Elvis :greedy: he was like all the other sycophants Elvis was surrounded by, unable to say NO! So on one level I agree.... but on another I don't :blink::wacko:


I had no idea of the man's actual schedule until I read Elvis schedule one day this past year. No human should be worked that hard.

I don't agree here sorry. I travel approx 45 mins to get to work, I work on average 11 hours a day (sometimes more) and then travel approx 45 mins to get home. I work bloody hard without the huge benefits Elvis had, don't get me wrong I don't begrudge Elvis in any way. Just wanted to keep it real.


Touring is not an easy life (or easy work..yes..work!) by no means....there have been times in the recent past where I've done two shows back to back and it's very physically demanding...

Again I don't question the job is hard, I believe it to be very hard indeed, but lets put this into perspective. If you are a performer in a stage show you are probably expected to do 2 shows a day (for more than an hour) 5 days a week for 52 weeks in a year and still not fly home in your private jet to your luxury mansion! There are other stars of Elvis' calibre (well sort of) who work equally as hard and still do late into their lives. The reason Elvis' life was curtailed was simply due to prescribed drugs, probably due to boredom when NOT performing ;)

KPM
11-21-2008, 10:14 PM
I agree, I DON'T want to turn this into a bashing Elvis thread but yes Elvis was accountable for his own personal and mental health. On the flip side he was a victim of drug dependency, given to him by a man (Dr. Nick) who was star struck and fame hungry. Dr. Nick just wasn't objective when it came to Elvis :greedy: he was like all the other sycophants Elvis was surrounded by, unable to say NO! So on one level I agree.... but on another I don't :blink::wacko:



I don't agree here sorry. I travel approx 45 mins to get to work, I work on average 11 hours a day (sometimes more) and then travel approx 45 mins to get home. I work bloody hard without the huge benefits Elvis had, don't get me wrong I don't begrudge Elvis in any way. Just wanted to keep it real.



;)
Well Matt you know my take on personal and mental health for any individual.
Genes play a role, upbringing plays a role etc.
But lets remember if you have a mental health issue -its hard for anyone to be completely accountable-if you have a mental health issue you are not thinking or reacting to life-as someone who has good mental health does. You are thinking off kilter, paranoids do not see life as you or I. Neither do manic depressants nor anyone with some type of psychosis.
(Not that I'm saying Elvis had any, but he obviously had his problems however you want to judge them)
If Elvis would have been able to sleep properly and not had the lifelong sleep problem I think his life would have been very different.
Its sad that someone in the 50s did not get him into some kind of sleep management program or analysis of some kind to conquer his sleep problem-instead of giving him sleeping medication to mask the problem temporarily.
IMO the sleep problem is key in a lot of ways to the drug dependence which spiraled in his life.

Jumpsuit Junkie
11-21-2008, 10:55 PM
Hi Ken, Your absolutely right, mental health is a factor through sleep etc, however Elvis had managed reasonably well until 1970-71 after that I believe that Elvis simply became addicted to the therapeutic side the medication gave him. Like all addicts he then chased that feeling, whether that feeling helped him sleep or just gave him peace of mind it came to consume him.

Despite the above from what we know Elvis had a great temperament with the fans, always made time to take care and make people feel special. I mean that in a genuine way. Elvis had special qualities that cannot be faked. For every down there is an up.

epmoodyblue
11-21-2008, 11:05 PM
what elvis needed for a new challenge...:hmm:my answwer is a new manager....with a new manager elvis would of done all the choices mentioned in the poll(y)....instead of keeping an addicated gambler like the colonel(n),,,,, elvis got caught in the same old routine that brought him to total boredom..and it was downhill from there..elvis didint have the courage to really fire him for good...because the colonel didint care about elvis..no new ideas for elvis career same old same old for the gambler $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$ every new project brought to the colonel for elvis was shot down by the col........well really elvis is to blame for this

KPM
11-21-2008, 11:33 PM
[QUOTE=Jumpsuit Junkie;263292]Hi Ken, Your absolutely right, mental health is a factor through sleep etc, however Elvis had managed reasonably well until 1970-71 after that I believe that Elvis simply became addicted to the therapeutic side the medication gave him. Like all addicts he then chased that feeling, whether that feeling helped him sleep or just gave him peace of mind it came to consume him.

Despite the above from what we know Elvis had a great temperament with the fans, always made time to take care and make people feel special. I mean that in a genuine way. Elvis had special qualities that cannot be faked. For every down there is an up.[/QUOTE
Yes I think you are correct in many ways.
I also believe for every down there is an up.
For every up there is a down.
Lifes struggles, are what make life interesting.

medleyofcostumes
11-22-2008, 08:18 PM
I agree with most comments in this thread. Elvis' first priority IMO was DETOX to become physically fit and rediscover the joy to life. Before doing so, nothing could be considered a challenge.

I stated in older threads that in August 1974, Elvis shuffled his set list considerably, only to receive a lukeworm response. The 2,000 individuals present at the concert were partly responsible for Elvis to convet to his usual borig (for him) setlist - "if that's what they want, that's what they'll get".

If I were EP's manager, I would have pointed in 2 directions which Elvis liked - Martial arts and gospel music. My proposals would have been:

1. Get Elvis, even as a guest actor. in one of the TV series of the time - 'Mission Impossible', Colombo, Mannix, Kojak or even in a police action movie such as 'Dirty Harry'. No one would get Elvis as a main actor in a genre which he had not acted before, so why not accept a minor role? (Elvis was no Eastwood, McQueen or Wayne - at least on the films he acted in)

2. A show similar to the 'Tom Jones Show',where he would sing, joke, duet with other artists, at least he would have remained in touch with what was going on (Remember the Clapton gaff? - "If you like, I tell James Burton to teach you playing guitar!!??"). What about having a gospel spot in this show or Elvis at the piano spot?

3. As regards live concerts, I would have arranged 1 Vegas Season of 8 days and 2 15-day tours a year only.

4. Organise and hire a group of 5-star writers and composers to write fresh, contemporary and most of all GOOD material to record. No more 10-day recording sessions with 30+ tracks recorded - that's mass production. A 12-track album a year with 12 good tracks.

5.TV appearances whenever possible in many tv shows.

6. And then yes EUROPE and the WORLD - first as a holiday, and then touring,

Well that was my 5 pence in the hat. Hope you like it

TotallyInsane
11-23-2008, 02:24 AM
Actually, all he needed was ME!!!!! :D:D:D

Ematt
11-23-2008, 08:58 AM
I have never believed the Elvis/Clapton story as it is often told. If it happened at all, i reckon Elvis would have been joking.

MJ27
11-27-2008, 06:46 AM
People who think that Elvis worked hard need a reality check.
I agree with Jumpsuit Junkie. When was the last time in his life Elvis worked an 11 hour day for shit pay?
Elvis had a charmed life but fell victim to the disease of MORE. Just like most people but on an larger scale.

KPM
11-28-2008, 10:49 PM
People who think that Elvis worked hard need a reality check.
I agree with Jumpsuit Junkie. When was the last time in his life Elvis worked an 11 hour day for shit pay?
Elvis had a charmed life but fell victim to the disease of MORE. Just like most people but on an larger scale.
Work is subjective-I worked in a bank for 3 years in loan servicing, and physically it was a piece of cake compared to other jobs I had up to that point such as roofing, carpet laying etc.... but 10 hours a day in front of a computer crunching numbers was much harder mentally and physically than any 10 hour day I ever had roofing. It was torture, plus the worry of one misplaced number or fact and you may have ruined someones account or credit rating. It was not my type position-so IMO its hard to decide what is better or worse in making a living for differing individuals.
One mans ceiling is another mans floor.

beckelvis
02-25-2009, 01:56 PM
to have to take a sabbatial year,turn them more loudly for a world tour it i believe that to have been very important since to want,but Elvis always to be big as that more.THE KING FOREVER.

medleyofcostumes
02-25-2009, 07:25 PM
Hi everybody on TCB World! ;)

First of all I want to thank you so much for all of your hard work and effort in helping keep the memory of Elvis alive and prospering! :cool: This is an awesome sight! I was wondering if I could ask everyone some questions: :hmm:

#1 Why after summer 1974 season at Las Vegas did things change (end of the 5 year napkin contract)? Why did Elvis start off in April of 75' (for the new building?) in stead of January? Things were never the same in Vegas, less shows, only appeared once in 76' and none in 77'.

#2 If he had lived was Vegas no longer a option for him? Was he just sick of Vegas or did he simply need to be challenged?

#3 Why is it so hard to get sound boards from the 73',75',76 seasons? (n)

#4 Finally (in your opinion) if Elvis had lived, would he still be as great in life as the image has grown to in death?

Thanks so much!

Greg


As far as I read:

#1 January 1975 Elvis was ill so it was moved to March of that year. I think Parker made a deal (starting January 1974) for less shows with the same pay (or something like that). I think that Elvis was going to Vegas Septemebr or October of 1977.

#2 I think that having to perform twice a night for a month in the same place with the same routine: Suite - Elevator - Stage - Elevator - Suite, decreased his enthusiasm as early as 1971 (as many said before me in this thread). If Elvis performed one engagement a year,for a week, once a night, then he could have managed.

#3 I don't know, but I think:
1. Either the engineer / technician which was on duty during those engagements was not instructed / interested in recording the shows; or

2. Soundboard recordings exist but have not surfaced.

#4 That's a difficult one. Talent wise, if he was motivated I think yes. Poularity wise, any pop artists that came from the 1950's and 60's had a hard time to maintain their popularity (maybe exceptions are Cliff Richard and Paul McCartney). When an artist dies young his /her image becomes iconic - Buddy Holly, James Dean, John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison. They did not experience the inevitable fading away or downfalls in their careers. So in the public eye they are still great. If they had lived no one knows what could have happed to them.

To keep the popularity at high levels, talent is not the most important thing. There are artists which are very good in their area (songwriting, singing, playing, acting) but are unknown. Today, more than ever, the media makes you or breaks you. If the media were still behind Elvis (which I doubt) then he would still be popular. However, the media is interested in image creating rather than talent. Notice album reviews in many magazines (not all of them). Certain artists always get rave reviews, others, especially if these have been around for some time, are given bad reviews. Fashion is the word!!