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Jungleroom76
07-30-2010, 06:31 PM
From ElvisNews.com:



Official Message Warner USA

http://www.elvisnews.com/images/coverart/big/br-on-tour.jpg
As soon that the fan world learned that ‘Johnny B Goode’ was replaced by ‘Don’t Be Cruel’ on the opening credits of ‘Elvis On Tour’, hundreds of reactions where written on various message boards. Lots of fans are blaming Warner or EPE (who don’t even own the On Tour footage) for not doing a good job on this release.

Tom Lucas, VP Marketing manager of Warner USA, explains: The moment Warner decided to release a restored version for ‘Elvis On Tour’, they contacted all the composers and publishers for the songs that are included in the movie. In case of ‘Johnny B Goode’, they never received any reaction from composer Chuck Berry or his publisher.

Warner tried to contact them for a very long time, but never received any reply or contract. It is not the case that Warner did not want to pay enough money to include the song, they simply did not receive an offer to pay for it.

Warner had two options left: forget the whole project and put it back in the vault, or release it with another intro. The fact that they choose ‘Don’t Be Cruel’ and the editing that was used on it, is food for another discussion. Although the opening (only 87sec!) is altered, we still are very happy that we can enjoy the rest of the movie in great quality!


Something seems fishy to me on this...but nevertheless, there is the "official" word!!! (n)


TCB!
Mike

rocknroll
07-30-2010, 07:51 PM
Ridiculous. I say release it and take your chances. Chuck Berry probably isn't coherant enough at this point to know the difference. :D

KPM
07-31-2010, 02:53 AM
I would have to differ with you about Chuck Berry-a couple nights ago he played in his hometown of St Louis at a concert to try and convince the Democratic Party to have their 2012 convention in St Louis. They showed clips of it on the local newscast and for a person around 80 he looked and played amazingly well.
He is very very hardnosed when it comes to business-he was outfoxed in the 1950s a time or two and it convinced him the only way to do business was to be ruthless.
But in this situation I really do not know why he or the publisher would not want to make money-which I'm sure they would have if they had made a deal.

Elizasong
07-31-2010, 03:15 AM
I wouldn't give Chuck Berry a hard time because he didn't respond and give EPE the option. I'm grateful that they found an alternate song to put in the opening credits so that they can finally release this on DVD. I don't feel it ruins the movie.

Raised on Rock
07-31-2010, 06:31 AM
Ok, whatever; but wasn't Burning Love or Big Hunk O' Love, from the same rehearsals Johnny B was taken, much better choices as they match the energy of the original opening, instead of the lighthearted version of Don't Be Cruel?

Jungleroom76
07-31-2010, 06:54 PM
But in this situation I really do not know why he or the publisher would not want to make money-which I'm sure they would have if they had made a deal.

Something about this whole situation seems fishy to me... :hmm:

I can't believe that Chuck or his management never responded to Warner's requests for usage of JBG in the film. As you pointed out Ken, using JBG in the film would certainly make Chuck a tidy little sum of money...and to just outright ignore something like that??? It just doesn't make any sense. :doh:

It will be interesting to see if there is some kind of a response by Chuck or his management concerning Warner's statement...

TCB!
Mike

Jungleroom76
07-31-2010, 06:55 PM
Ok, whatever; but wasn't Burning Love or Big Hunk O' Love, from the same rehearsals Johnny B was taken, much better choices as they match the energy of the original opening, instead of the lighthearted version of Don't Be Cruel?

I agree ROR....BURNING LOVE or BIG HUNK O' LOVE would have made much better opening credit choices. At least they wouldn't have to be annoyingly looped during the credits because they were too short, like DON'T BE CRUEL was. (n)

TCB!
Mike

KPM
07-31-2010, 08:25 PM
Perhaps I am mistaken-but in the 90s when Warners released the VHS version of Aloha, didn't they also claim it was because they got no response from the letters they sent concerning JBG, and a couple other songs??? I seem to recall something similar to this before.:blink:

KPM
07-31-2010, 08:26 PM
Burning Love would have been a great alternate choice I think, very high energy.

LtCarman
07-31-2010, 10:15 PM
One of the many issues I have with the legality behind these things.

Jungleroom76
07-31-2010, 11:29 PM
Perhaps I am mistaken-but in the 90s when Warners released the VHS version of Aloha, didn't they also claim it was because they got no response from the letters they sent concerning JBG, and a couple other songs??? I seem to recall something similar to this before.:blink:

Was it Warner Bros. that released that version of ALOHA on VHS?? :hmm:

I remember that as well Ken, but I don't recall JBG being one of the songs that was in dispute. I do remember I'M SO LONESOME I COULD CRY being one of the songs. :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

Raised on Rock
08-01-2010, 12:14 AM
Was it Warner Bros. that released that version of ALOHA on VHS?? :hmm:

I remember that as well Ken, but I don't recall JBG being one of the songs that was in dispute. I do remember I'M SO LONESOME I COULD CRY being one of the songs. :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

Wasn't Lightyear Entertanment not Warner the people behing the 90's vhs of Aloha? Or are they related?

Anyhow, despite how fishy all of this sounds, none of that is a good reason to explain the poor choice and lousy sound edition on the new opening.

My good this is the XXI century, with a free download trial program (yes that cheap!) I could have made something better. Christ it is not that hard, just a bit of imagination and a day off, did they actually paid someone for that piece of crap? Give DJ Ethan the job!!!!

The reason for such a poor choice and edit job is then again obvious to me, despite Jorgensen and his team, people running Elvis projects does not have a clue of what Elvis is about, and so ,what does the real fans WANT and does NOT want to see!!!

Sorry to be so cranky but YES, that new opening does IRRITATES ME THE MOST!!! Legal issues are one thing, PLAIN MEDIOCRITY is another.

Raised on Rock
08-01-2010, 12:29 AM
I know many people will say, well skip it and enjoy the rest of the movie in superb sound and HD quality etc. Well yes, but how you like next FTD Cd or the Viva Elvis CD coming soon, all sounding superb but with the first track (for no reason) sounding like crap.

How you like your remaster on blueray of "Easy Rider" but with a diffrent song on the opening credits scene, how you like "Star Wars" without the John Williams classic opening theme? Is not just about Elvis, its about the integrity of the movie as a whole!!!

Wait, how you like FTD finally releasing Promised Land without Promised Land on it! lol

ARGHHH!!! Needed to take all that out.

Unchained Melody
08-01-2010, 04:33 AM
I am glad I have my copy on VHS, they should have replaced it with something better than a Don't Be Cruel, Burning Love, Promised Land, something else.

I so that and I do plan on getting the dvd and eventually Blu Ray, it just sucks they ruined such a killer opener with JBG.

Wendy56
08-01-2010, 09:14 AM
After all, it was expected. As those 2 enterprises didn't get an agreement, fans already new something like this was gonna happen.
You know what... I would like to see the movie in theather anyway!!!!! At least in USA you had that chance... :( No matter if it's Don't be Cruel or JBG. Just Elvis in big screen..... Ppl in USA u r so lucky fot that, don't waste it.

Lisarose
08-01-2010, 03:20 PM
Ok, whatever; but wasn't Burning Love or Big Hunk O' Love, from the same rehearsals Johnny B was taken, much better choices as they match the energy of the original opening, instead of the lighthearted version of Don't Be Cruel?

So true! I sat there listening to the tame Don't bE Cruel, and the only moment that made me smile was the karate kick Elvis does timed with the words "kick your ***"
Still would've preferred to hear a different Elvis rocking song tho.

KPM
08-01-2010, 05:08 PM
Wasn't Lightyear Entertanment not Warner the people behing the 90's vhs of Aloha? Or are they related?
Anyhow, despite how fishy all of this sounds, none of that is a good reason to explain the poor choice and lousy sound edition on the new opening.

My good this is the XXI century, with a free download trial program (yes that cheap!) I could have made something better. Christ it is not that hard, just a bit of imagination and a day off, did they actually paid someone for that piece of crap? Give DJ Ethan the job!!!!

The reason for such a poor choice and edit job is then again obvious to me, despite Jorgensen and his team, people running Elvis projects does not have a clue of what Elvis is about, and so ,what does the real fans WANT and does NOT want to see!!!

Sorry to be so cranky but YES, that new opening does IRRITATES ME THE MOST!!! Legal issues are one thing, PLAIN MEDIOCRITY is another.
Lightyear and Warners were affiliated at one time but are no longer.
But I agree-whoever chose "Don't Be Cruel" instead of "Burning Love" or a similar song with a harder rock edge, missed the mark totally.

KPM
08-01-2010, 05:21 PM
Was it Warner Bros. that released that version of ALOHA on VHS?? :hmm:

I remember that as well Ken, but I don't recall JBG being one of the songs that was in dispute. I do remember I'M SO LONESOME I COULD CRY being one of the songs. :hmm:

TCB!
Mike
Lightyear was affiliated with Warners for a number of years in the 90s-it released Aloha-in looking up that release I found this info on it on E-Bay:
Movie description
Elvis Presley performs in Honolulu, Hawaii, in this 1973 concert. Among the 25 titles included are "Blue Suede Shoes," "Suspicious Minds," and "C.C. Rider." Elvis made television and entertainment history as this was the first-ever live concert broadcast over satellite, reaching in excess of one billion people worldwide. Note: Elvis' performances of I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry, I Can't Stop Loving You, and Johnny B. Goode in the Aloha From Hawaii concert have been deleted from the newly re-released DVD/VHS editions of this program. Music publishing clearance from the songs' owners was up for renewal and an agreement could not be reached. This edited version is the only available version of Elvis' historic Aloha From Hawaii concert.

Sonny
08-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Again a major screw up, like we expected.

Come to think of it, didn't we all buy that Hawaii show with the missing tracks? Yes, most of us did. And then later it got a release with the songs in it. Double trouble for us, double winnings for those companies.

I bet things will go the same with Elvis On Tour. In no time there will be a special release with JBG in it, and some extras as well.

Do we buy Elvis On Tour, even without JBG? Right now I say, no I will not. Like some of you I think.
In the end we will buy it anyway....

And the updated release when it comes on the market in say 2 years from now.

Good going Warner Bros!

sasha
08-01-2010, 06:22 PM
Born October 1928 . (y) In St. Louis May 2010


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYLobkKtsJk

Raised on Rock
08-01-2010, 08:48 PM
Lightyear was affiliated with Warners for a number of years in the 90s-it released Aloha-in looking up that release I found this info on it on E-Bay:
Movie description
Elvis Presley performs in Honolulu, Hawaii, in this 1973 concert. Among the 25 titles included are "Blue Suede Shoes," "Suspicious Minds," and "C.C. Rider." Elvis made television and entertainment history as this was the first-ever live concert broadcast over satellite, reaching in excess of one billion people worldwide. Note: Elvis' performances of I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry, I Can't Stop Loving You, and Johnny B. Goode in the Aloha From Hawaii concert have been deleted from the newly re-released DVD/VHS editions of this program. Music publishing clearance from the songs' owners was up for renewal and an agreement could not be reached. This edited version is the only available version of Elvis' historic Aloha From Hawaii concert.

This most be around the time they re-released the aloha on DVD before the special edition.

I got a VHS of the Aloha that came before the DVD era, and those songs are all there!

Well I hope in 2012 we can have an Elvis on Tour special Edition, unseen footage and Johnny B included... Yet that only can happen if sales of this EOT are superb, so... Do we got to let our selves to be sucked againg that way?

SleepyJack
08-01-2010, 09:21 PM
It`s all a big mess it seems...after waiting so long and looking forward to finally having "Elvis On Tour" on the shelf with all the other movies it`s just one big disappointment. As has already been mentioned here I`m also debating it with myself whether to go and buy it or leave it alone...but I`ll end up buying it anyway at some point. I don`t think that too much thought went into the new opening..just put any old thing on there,the fans will buy anything after all anyhow...the newer generations won`t know the difference...don`t put any new footage on there..save that for a deluxe edition and make them buy it all over again. The days of giving Elvis fans what they want are long gong...if they ever existed to begin with. Those people would sell us 5-letter alphabet soup and laugh as they filled the tins with E,L,V,I,and Z.
Hate to be on here moaning about all this...so sorry! but for once wouldn`t it be great to be here completely happy with a new Elvis release and applauding the work behind it.... end of complaining session!!:blush:

Jungleroom76
08-01-2010, 09:58 PM
Lightyear was affiliated with Warners for a number of years in the 90s-it released Aloha-in looking up that release I found this info on it on E-Bay:
Movie description
Elvis Presley performs in Honolulu, Hawaii, in this 1973 concert. Among the 25 titles included are "Blue Suede Shoes," "Suspicious Minds," and "C.C. Rider." Elvis made television and entertainment history as this was the first-ever live concert broadcast over satellite, reaching in excess of one billion people worldwide. Note: Elvis' performances of I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry, I Can't Stop Loving You, and Johnny B. Goode in the Aloha From Hawaii concert have been deleted from the newly re-released DVD/VHS editions of this program. Music publishing clearance from the songs' owners was up for renewal and an agreement could not be reached. This edited version is the only available version of Elvis' historic Aloha From Hawaii concert.

You were right Ken....thanks for the info. :blush: (y)

TCB!
Mike

Jungleroom76
08-01-2010, 10:03 PM
Again a major screw up, like we expected.

How sad is it that whenever a new Elvis project is announced, the fans immediately start wondering how they'll screw it up!!! :doh:

2012 will be the 40th anniversary of EOT and at this point, considering it took them this long to get EOT out on DVD for the fans, the proper thing would have been to just save the DVD release for 2012 which would have given Warner PLENTY of time to get the clearance for JOHNNY B. GOODE to be used in the film AND hopefully to get the details worked out so that the raw unreleased footage from EOT could have been included with the original movie into some kind of anniversary collectors set. :hmm:

Instead, as you said Sonny, "double winnings for those companies" when Warner suddenly hears back from Chuck Berry on the use of JBG and the legal issues are worked out so that the unreleased EOT footage can be used just in time for the 40th anniversary and a second dip into the fans wallets!! :doh:

TCB!
Mike

KPM
08-01-2010, 10:55 PM
How sad is it that whenever a new Elvis project is announced, the fans immediately start wondering how they'll screw it up!!! :doh:

2012 will be the 40th anniversary of EOT and at this point, considering it took them this long to get EOT out on DVD for the fans, the proper thing would have been to just save the DVD release for 2012 which would have given Warner PLENTY of time to get the clearance for JOHNNY B. GOODE to be used in the film AND hopefully to get the details worked out so that the raw unreleased footage from EOT could have been included with the original movie into some kind of anniversary collectors set. :hmm:

Instead, as you said Sonny, "double winnings for those companies" when Warner suddenly hears back from Chuck Berry on the use of JBG and the legal issues are worked out so that the unreleased EOT footage can be used just in time for the 40th anniversary and a second dip into the fans wallets!! :doh:

TCB!
Mike
Yes there always seems to be that angle second dipping into the wallets of we fans-but in their defense they have to slowly do these things because thats the way business works. You maximise profits by conserving your assets as much as possible, in this case EOT is being "dribbled out" in patches instead of one time releasing a deluxe package with hours of extra unreleased footage. Considering the 22-24 hours of EOT outtakes this could be "dribbled out" for another 20 years!;)
I try to be understanding of the situation that big business has, stockholders, board of directors, CEOs and all have their eyes on the bottom line and everyone who makes decisions is subject to and answerable to all of these people for those decisions(like releasing a DVD EOT with a lot of extras right out of the gate).
I just wish once they would consider the long standing fans who have bought their products and helped keep their business afloat for years.

Jungleroom76
08-02-2010, 01:42 AM
Yes there always seems to be that angle second dipping into the wallets of we fans-but in their defense they have to slowly do these things because thats the way business works. You maximise profits by conserving your assets as much as possible, in this case EOT is being "dribbled out" in patches instead of one time releasing a deluxe package with hours of extra unreleased footage. Considering the 22-24 hours of EOT outtakes this could be "dribbled out" for another 20 years!;)
I try to be understanding of the situation that big business has, stockholders, board of directors, CEOs and all have their eyes on the bottom line and everyone who makes decisions is subject to and answerable to all of these people for those decisions(like releasing a DVD EOT with a lot of extras right out of the gate).
I just wish once they would consider the long standing fans who have bought their products and helped keep their business afloat for years.

I certainly see where you're coming from my friend, but you are right...just once I wish the studios would reward us fans for our patience over the years!!! (y)

TCB!
Mike