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Elvis.com
11-15-2009, 10:00 PM
Due for release from the Godfather Records import label is the double CD set "Strung Out In Vegas" according to a posting on the FECC Forum.


The main show (Vegas) is probably taken from "<em>Desert...

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Dany
11-15-2009, 10:14 PM
I like all yours links. Thank you my friend but I don't buy it.

debtdbruno
11-16-2009, 08:49 AM
what a terrible title for a cd..........going to do his reputation a lot of good

rickb
11-16-2009, 10:23 AM
I wouldn't buy it on principle due to the title

Teddy
11-16-2009, 10:35 AM
Presumably the title comes from his well known ramble about not being "strung out"? :hmm:

debtdbruno
11-16-2009, 10:43 AM
Presumably the title comes from his well known ramble about not being "strung out"? :hmm:


Don't know Teddy:hmm::hmm::hmm:

What do you think.........LOL:doh::doh::doh:

Deb

Unchained Melody
11-16-2009, 04:57 PM
This is my favorite elvis concert, this really is a distasteful title for it.

epmoodyblue
11-16-2009, 10:31 PM
godfather labelhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/angry-mob1_ani.gif(n)..the title is an insult to the king:mad:..elvis gave outstanding concerts in aug 74 in vegas..i wont be buying this blah..i hope nobody buys one single copy(y)http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

epmoodyblue
11-16-2009, 11:21 PM
Godfather Recordshttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/butt-kick_ani.gifback to the drawing boead and give ur double CD set...a proper titlehttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/angry-mob1_ani.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

Tony Trout
11-17-2009, 03:40 AM
Presumably the title comes from his well known ramble about not being "strung out"? :hmm:


Don't know Teddy:hmm::hmm::hmm:

What do you think.........LOL:doh::doh::doh:

Deb



That's exactly where the title comes from.

boogie
11-17-2009, 07:03 AM
another reissue, nothing new on it

elvislady
11-17-2009, 07:44 AM
I think its a great title... its diffrent!

elvislady :D

epmoodyblue
11-17-2009, 01:26 PM
I think its a great title... its diffrent!

elvislady :D
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_icon_rolleyes.gifehhhhhhhhhhhhh they can release it who cares its old news ..been released before nothing new..there waisitng there time:lol:http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

Tony Trout
11-17-2009, 02:24 PM
This is my favorite elvis concert, this really is a distasteful title for it.


You like hearing Elvis basically self-destruct in front of 2,000 fans and embarass himself and Priscilla and Sheila Ryan? I'm just...I have no words...:blink:

The 'strung out' title will not do anything to help Elvis's reputation...what the **** are these record companies thinking when they title these things? Geez!




I think its a great title... its diffrent!

elvislady :D

I totally disagree with this....it's a very disrespectful title.

Lonniebealestreet
11-17-2009, 02:42 PM
I would say that Elvis' reputation is in not at risk of damage from a boot label. People who would want to buy this are either going to be familiar with the material or at least the kind of condition he was in his last few years. Those to whom this would be revelatory are probably not going to see or hear about this anywhere.

How many people have had their image of Elvis shattered by the import Elvis' Greatest Sh!t from Dog Vomit Records?

These boots are not from proper record companies with any kind of mass distribution or advertising. They exist like FTD does for the hardcore fans (but more so) and most have to go out of their way a bit to purchase them.

I wouldn't worry too much about this.

Unchained Melody
11-17-2009, 02:53 PM
You like hearing Elvis basically self-destruct in front of 2,000 fans and embarass himself and Priscilla and Sheila Ryan? I'm just...I have no words...:blink:


Read Desert Storm Shattering Of A myth, it my friend will answer any questions you got about the show.
Go to The Kings Court ask Vegas 74 aka Dennis Barry what he thought of the show that night as he was there.
Sad elvis talking wiht his audience on stage people just say ah hes just rambling on and on that means hes strung out.
:doh:

elvislady
11-17-2009, 03:44 PM
Read Desert Storm Shattering Of A myth, it my friend will answer any questions you got about the show.
Go to The Kings Court ask Vegas 74 aka Dennis Barry what he thought of the show that night as he was there.
Sad elvis talking wiht his audience on stage people just say ah hes just rambling on and on that means hes strung out.
:doh:

(y)(y)

Well i dont see any harm done!

I totally disagree with this....it's a very disrespectful title.

elvislady

epmoodyblue
11-17-2009, 04:37 PM
I would say that Elvis' reputation is in not at risk of damage from a boot label. People who would want to buy this are either going to be familiar with the material or at least the kind of condition he was in his last few years. Those to whom this would be revelatory are probably not going to see or hear about this anywhere.

How many people have had their image of Elvis shattered by the import Elvis' Greatest Sh!t from Dog Vomit Records?

These boots are not from proper record companies with any kind of mass distribution or advertising. They exist like FTD does for the hardcore fans (but more so) and most have to go out of their way a bit to purchase them.

I wouldn't worry too much about this.nothing ..no crappy boots or whatever will ever tarnish elviis reputation...they have been trying to do that for over 30 years...and they have failed..miserably..elvis will always be loved no matter what forever the kinghttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

Tony Trout
11-17-2009, 05:04 PM
Read Desert Storm Shattering Of A myth, it my friend will answer any questions you got about the show.
Go to The Kings Court ask Vegas 74 aka Dennis Barry what he thought of the show that night as he was there.
Sad elvis talking wiht his audience on stage people just say ah hes just rambling on and on that means hes strung out.
:doh:


I'm sure that the actual show was fine but Elvis's actions onstage towards the audience are/were unacceptable - no performer worth the money that they were paying Elvis should have done what he did that night - there's no reason to sugarcoat it.

And, I'm sorry, but I wouldn't trust Darrin Lee any farther than I can throw him or his books. (n)

After reading his book about the CBS special (out of curiosity), it just confirmed what I thought about his writings in the first place. He's just trying to make people think that there wasn't a darn thing wrong with Elvis either on 9/2/74 or 6/19/77 and 6/21/77 - when it's painfully obvious that things were going downhill as early as 1973/1974 and 1977. Darrin Lee is living in a fantasy world.

Unchained Melody
11-17-2009, 07:29 PM
I'm sure that the actual show was fine but Elvis's actions onstage towards the audience are/were unacceptable - no performer worth the money that they were paying Elvis should have done what he did that night - there's no reason to sugarcoat it.

And, I'm sorry, but I wouldn't trust Darrin Lee any farther than I can throw him or his books. (n)

After reading his book about the CBS special (out of curiosity), it just confirmed what I thought about his writings in the first place. He's just trying to make people think that there wasn't a darn thing wrong with Elvis either on 9/2/74 or 6/19/77 and 6/21/77 - when it's painfully obvious that things were going downhill as early as 1973/1974 and 1977. Darrin Lee is living in a fantasy world.
I agree Tony, things were getting worse as the years progressed, but that DOES NOT mean the Closing Show from 9.2.1974 was a bad show.
What was unaccpetable about elvis telling the audience the rumors of him on heroin were untrue!:!:

Merry
11-17-2009, 07:49 PM
What was unaccpetable about elvis telling the audience the rumors of him on heroin were untrue!:!:




My outlook is that it is wrong that people don't stand up for others, it's wrong that people aren't able or game to stand up for themselves.

Elvis had guts, and he had every right to be angry, and as I've said a lot over the years on here, I respect him so much for that. It's rare, and should be appreciated. It appears that people want to demasculate men at times, which isn't right.

Brian
11-17-2009, 07:58 PM
What was unaccpetable about elvis telling the audience the rumors of him on heroin were untrue!:!:

It's not that he just simply said the rumors about me being on heroin are untrue.
He went into this whole monolouge that went on and on instead of singing the hits that people paid money to hear him sing.
A lot of people felt that was unproffesional and unnecessary.
Most of the fans in that audience didn't care about the rumors of Elvis' personal life they wanted him to sing.

Merry
11-17-2009, 08:15 PM
It's not that he just simply said the rumors about me being on heroin are untrue.
He went into this whole monolouge that went on and on instead of singing the hits that people paid money to hear him sing.
A lot of people felt that was unproffesional and unnecessary.
Most of the fans in that audience didn't care about the rumors of Elvis' personal life they wanted him to sing.


Elvis received a standing ovation. That's pretty telling to me.

KPM
11-17-2009, 08:44 PM
I am conflicted about this topic-sure he went ballistic about the topic of strung out on heroin and although it was a lie... we all know he was always "medicated" sometimes more than others.
It is true its unprofessional to not do what you are paid to do... which in this case was sing and entertain. But its not uncommon for entertainers (or anyone in dealing with the public) to stray from their main goal and get off track while performing a job.
But fortunately in his career he did not have moments like this very often where he let something which bothered him come out in public.
Personally I have always felt he should have "kicked back" more often-at the press, critics, Parker, Priscilla, his father the guys etc......but the stage was not the place to do it.
This subject has been raised several times in many threads and usually with little good to come from it IMO:doh:

debtdbruno
11-17-2009, 09:06 PM
I am conflicted about this topic-sure he went ballistic about the topic of strung out on heroin and although it was a lie... we all know he was always "medicated" sometimes more than others.
It is true its unprofessional to not do what you are paid to do... which in this case was sing and entertain. But its not uncommon for entertainers (or anyone in dealing with the public) to stray from their main goal and get off track while performing a job.
But fortunately in his career he did not have moments like this very often where he let something which bothered him come out in public.
Personally I have always felt he should have "kicked back" more often-at the press, critics, Parker, Priscilla, his father the guys etc......but the stage was not the place to do it.
This subject has been raised several times in many threads and usually with little good to come from it IMO:doh:

Ken, my Man..........spot on. That is 100% my thoughts exactly

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy :notworthy:notworthy

Brian
11-17-2009, 09:07 PM
Elvis received a standing ovation. That's pretty telling to me.


Elvis almost always got some type of positive response from his fans
no matter what he did.

KPM
11-17-2009, 09:57 PM
Elvis almost always got some type of positive response from his fans
no matter what he did.
The funny thing about this night is that it was mentioned in Photoplay magazine right after it happened-and the reporter who was there that night (May Mann if I recall it correctly) said the crowd could sense he was mad and even though he cursed they were on his side-and understood.

EnigmaticSun
11-19-2009, 07:30 PM
These boots are not from proper record companies with any kind of mass distribution or advertising. They exist like FTD does for the hardcore fans (but more so) and most have to go out of their way a bit to purchase them.

If they need a catchy title in order to be noticed, they can keep it respectable to say the least..

How about "carryin' on with candid jailhouse rock man as the king for dessert having one helluva night" ?

Tony Trout
11-20-2009, 06:24 AM
I agree Tony, things were getting worse as the years progressed, but that DOES NOT mean the Closing Show from 9.2.1974 was a bad show.
What was unaccpetable about elvis telling the audience the rumors of him on heroin were untrue!:!:


It's not that he just simply said the rumors about me being on heroin are untrue.
He went into this whole monolouge that went on and on instead of singing the hits that people paid money to hear him sing.
A lot of people felt that was unproffesional and unnecessary.
Most of the fans in that audience didn't care about the rumors of Elvis' personal life they wanted him to sing.




I gotta agree with Brian here. People paid money to hear Elvis sing - not tell the sordid details of his personal life - up until that time (1974) the MM had done a pretty dang good job of keeping Elvis's drug use under wraps but after that - things started going downhill very quickly. And as far as Elvis trying heroin? He was, in effect, already using it - it was just being administered under another drug named Dilaudid - which is synthetic heroin and is only given to terminally ill cancer patients - but we all know (unless we're blind) that Elvis didn't have cancer.

epmoodyblue
11-20-2009, 01:54 PM
if elvis felt like talking that night in vegas..then its okay ....where does it say that elis had to sing nonstop without mixing with the fans.elvis chatted very often at vegas shows actually lots..sometimes he would chat about his rings:lol:..thats what he did that night chatted and he wasint on anything.....and after he made a point to the audience that night he gave the people there moneys worth..a super show it was (y) so i dont see what the fuss is all about(y)(y)(y)(y)(y):notworthyhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gifbottom line is after all the sometimes long speeches he made at times in vegas even in tahoe..regardles of the topic ..he got down to buisness and the fans always left happy great shows :notworthyhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

Unchained Melody
11-20-2009, 03:58 PM
if elvis felt like talking that night in vegas..then its okay ....where does it say that elis had to sing nonstop without mixing with the fans.elvis chatted very often at vegas shows actually lots..sometimes he would chat about his rings:lol:..thats what he did that night chatted and he wasint on anything.....and after he made a point to the audience that night he gave the people there moneys worth..a super show it was (y) so i dont see what the fuss is all about(y)(y)(y)(y)(y):notworthyhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gifbottom line is after all the sometimes long speeches he made at times in vegas even in tahoe..regardles of the topic ..he got down to buisness and the fans always left happy great shows :notworthyhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif
Well said. I love how we sit here and can say what Elvis was suppose to do and say on stage and what he wasn't. :doh:

epmoodyblue
11-20-2009, 05:37 PM
Well said. I love how we sit here and can say what Elvis was suppose to do and say on stage and what he wasn't. :doh:
tottaly agree pal:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy(y)(y)..who are we to tell the king what he is supposed to do onstage..heck even if he read the complete phonebook onstage i wouldint mind:lol::lol:.. i would hold the phone book 4 him while hes reding it:lol:http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_reading.gifelvis was unpredictable on stage ..one minute he would be serious the next hes playing around..neways the august 74 concerts in vegas were top quality with great set list of songs(y)http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

debtdbruno
11-20-2009, 06:36 PM
I don't know what all the fuss is about with this cd.................sure, he probably rabbited on a bit, but he had a right to speak his mind!!!!!!

Unchained Melody
11-20-2009, 07:18 PM
, but he had a right to speak his mind!!!!!!

You would think so.

But thats not the case with some on this thread. (n)(n)(n)

Unchained Melody
11-20-2009, 07:20 PM
Darrin Lee is living in a fantasy world.

Fantasy World? Are you serious ?

Why is that, because the man didn't or don't think Elvis was stoned out of his core all his life, or in this case, on September 2nd 1974?

Just because Elvis was irritated as he** at the tabloids and stood up for himself in fron of his audience, does not mean he was on heroin.

What are your sources that he was indeed on that? The MM ? :doh:

Sonny
11-20-2009, 07:24 PM
I don't mind hearing this particular show, don't get me wrong, but to say he was NOT on something is not true.

He just didn't sounded like himself during that period in 1974.

The Elvis we all know would not say all those things if he was not on something, you can even hear he is diffrent on some of the songs.

Not judging the man, just giving my thoughts friends.

SleepyJack
11-20-2009, 07:51 PM
I`ll never understand the thinking behind it when people say that he should have kept his thoughts to himself and just delivered the "product" he was meant to deliver... he might as well have forgotten about returning to live performances and just continued making movies.... good,controlled,clean,healthy fun for everyone.
I think what makes it so shocking is the fact that it is so rare to hear him actually lose it, he should have just spoke his mind and been himself from the beginning..... then we wouldn`t have been sitting here open-mouthed and acting like Ghandi was after telling Mother Teresa to F**k off.

KPM
11-20-2009, 07:52 PM
I gotta agree with Brian here. People paid money to hear Elvis sing - not tell the sordid details of his personal life - up until that time (1974) the MM had done a pretty dang good job of keeping Elvis's drug use under wraps but after that - things started going downhill very quickly. And as far as Elvis trying heroin? He was, in effect, already using it - it was just being administered under another drug named Dilaudid - which is synthetic heroin and is only given to terminally ill cancer patients - but we all know (unless we're blind) that Elvis didn't have cancer.
With all due respect Tony, Dilaudid is not just given to terminally ill cancer patients-but because that is what some of the MM have claimed people just take the answer as true.
Also they wrongly claim that Dilaudid is synthetic heroin it is not.
I think I have mentioned this before and posted links to medical sites which explain what Dilaudid is and what it is used for:
Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)a narcotic analgesic prescribed for the relief of moderate to severe pain. That definition sure differs from the long told "only for terminal cancer patients which some MM have said.
Now I know that what is moderate pain to some may be severe to someone else-but moderate pain is not the type of pain that terminally ill cancer patients experience-my father in law died of liver cancer and straight morphine is still the drug used to treat terminally ill cancer patients.


True synthetic heroin is called by a variety of names including methodone and another is dolophine hydrochloride and they are used to treat people addicted to morphine or heroin-less habit forming.
I am not defending the usage by Elvis-but I am saying that pain is a relative/subjective definition-and I have no idea what pain Elvis may have felt he needed dilaudid for-or if he just liked the feeling of it-but Dilaudid is used for many pain producing ailments and illnessed way beyond the definition given by the MM.

Diane
11-20-2009, 08:00 PM
I don't doubt that Elvis was a little "high" when he spouted off on stage and it is something he wouldn't have done otherwise....BUT, I do agree with some here that feel he should have spoken up about how he felt about a lot of things that were done and said about from the very beginning. He always talked to his fans from the stage anyway so he could very well have gotten away with it and gotten support from his fans.

Diane

Unchained Melody
11-20-2009, 08:03 PM
With all due respect Tony, Dilaudid is not just given to terminally ill cancer patients-but because that is what some of the MM have claimed people just take the answer as true.
Also they wrongly claim that Dilaudid is synthetic heroin it is not.
I think I have mentioned this before and posted links to medical sites which explain what Dilaudid is and what it is used for:
Dilaudid (hydromorphone hydrochloride)a narcotic analgesic prescribed for the relief of moderate to severe pain. That definition sure differs from the long told "only for terminal cancer patients which some MM have said.
Now I know that what is moderate pain to some may be severe to someone else-but moderate pain is not the type of pain that terminally ill cancer patients experience-my father in law died of liver cancer and straight morphine is still the drug used to treat terminally ill cancer patients.


True synthetic heroin is called by a variety of names including methodone and another is dolophine hydrochloride and they are used to treat people addicted to morphine or heroin-less habit forming.
I am not defending the usage by Elvis-but I am saying that pain is a relative/subjective definition-and I have no idea what pain Elvis may have felt he needed dilaudid for-or if he just liked the feeling of it-but Dilaudid is used for many pain producing ailments and illnessed way beyond the definition given by the MM.
Thank you for that !!(y)

Brian
11-20-2009, 08:13 PM
Fantasy World? Are you serious ?

Why is that, because the man didn't or don't think Elvis was stoned out of his core all his life, or in this case, on September 2nd 1974?

Just because Elvis was irritated as he** at the tabloids and stood up for himself in fron of his audience, does not mean he was on heroin.

What are your sources that he was indeed on that? The MM ? :doh:

Tony has probably listened to the show and can judge for himself it's very obvious that Elvis was high on something with the way he acts and rambles on. You don't need the MM to tell the obvious people on this board can make up their own mind about this.
Again it's not that Elvis just took some time to say the rumors of him are untrue he rambles incoherently about a number of things throughout the entire show.
It's ironic that he denies the stories of him being on drugs are true but proceeds to then give a drug fueled show.
I've never read Darrin Lee's books but if he claims that Elvis was not high on something for this show then he's simply not being honest and is in denial about it.

debtdbruno
11-20-2009, 08:25 PM
He was on 'something', I think we all agree. Nobody is saying he was clean.
Elvis was saying he wasn't on Heroin, which was justified...........

Had he not been on uppers, he probably would have kept his feelings bottled up.
This is to me what the biggest problem was, is that he didn't do public interviews (rarely) and so didn't have the chance to put his point across.
Who's to blame, I don't know, him or the Colonel.............

KPM
11-20-2009, 08:29 PM
Tony has probably listened to the show and can judge for himself it's very obvious that Elvis was high on something with the way he acts and rambles on. You don't need the MM to tell the obvious people on this board can make up their own mind about this.
Again it's not that Elvis just took some time to say the rumors of him are untrue he rambles incoherently about a number of things throughout the entire show.
It's ironic that he denies the stories of him being on drugs are true but proceeds to then give a drug fueled show.
I've never read Darrin Lee's books but if he claims that Elvis was not high on something for this show then he's simply not being honest and is in denial about it.
Brian I have said this before-I have been stoned out of my head in my life-high as a kite-and I could not have stepped on a stage, remembered lyrics, made jokes, etc I could not have done anything in those moments-moments of being "stoned" The term is relative to what your own thoughts are of that situation.
Now I will say again (as I said about pain definition)-one mans totally stoned, incoherent, ramblings may not be seen or judged as such by others who are just as informed just as knowledgeable. I tried one time to sing and perform in my garage band days totally out of it-and I can tell you it was nothing at all like the Desert Storm. I thought I was giving the show of my life-and I never finished one song-was playing in the wrong key.
Elvis may have not been normal-his anger very apparent and he just should have dropped it-but he still sang well, still did the show...................
to many back then they just did not see what we see today-partly because we know all the inside things today that no one knew then.
It is not a show to be proud of in his career-but as I said earlier how often did he let something get to him to the point of this type anger on stage?

debtdbruno
11-20-2009, 08:46 PM
we round and round this subject.............
There seems to be a clear cut divide between fans.

People either think he was unprofessional...........or he was mad, and spoke his mind.
We are never going to agree

KPM
11-20-2009, 09:08 PM
we round and round this subject.............
There seems to be a clear cut divide between fans.

People either think he was unprofessional...........or he was mad, and spoke his mind.We are never going to agree
I think I am in the middle-I do see how his over usage of medications affected his life and career, I also see that getting sidetracked from your number one job goal is unprofessional-yet I am guilty of the same in my years of jobs, (of course its not a high profile situation where well over 35 years later its debated;):D:D) and I would say somewhere along the way all get sidetracked in their job situations and act unprofessional in some mild or severe form.
Its all subjective to who and what you are and your own values. The drug end of it is the catch 22 for the debate-he was upset over the heroin rumor-but we all know he had a problem with the "prescribed meds" that was just as bad. So its not really how bad this was on this night-its a more complex question IMO....

debtdbruno
11-20-2009, 09:41 PM
very true Ken.

You know, though, we sit and judge him, but we havn't a clue what it was like living his fish bowl existance... must be so difficult having to keep your mouth shut when you want to explode with anger at what people say, or what you read.

Brian
11-20-2009, 10:18 PM
Brian I have said this before-I have been stoned out of my head in my life-high as a kite-and I could not have stepped on a stage, remembered lyrics, made jokes, etc I could not have done anything in those moments-moments of being "stoned" The term is relative to what your own thoughts are of that situation.
Now I will say again (as I said about pain definition)-one mans totally stoned, incoherent, ramblings may not be seen or judged as such by others who are just as informed just as knowledgeable. I tried one time to sing and perform in my garage band days totally out of it-and I can tell you it was nothing at all like the Desert Storm. I thought I was giving the show of my life-and I never finished one song-was playing in the wrong key.
Elvis may have not been normal-his anger very apparent and he just should have dropped it-but he still sang well, still did the show...................
to many back then they just did not see what we see today-partly because we know all the inside things today that no one knew then.
It is not a show to be proud of in his career-but as I said earlier how often did he let something get to him to the point of this type anger on stage?

When you were high you could not do those things but there are other people that would be quite capable of getting on stage and performing songs and such it happens all the time with people.
People can react differently to drug usage.
I personally don't care that Elvis was high for the show or whatever but for some to deny that he was is unrealistic.
I can't believe this is even an issue.

epmoodyblue
11-21-2009, 12:52 AM
the usual the calm before the storm:lol:...soon this thread will get outa control..so i came to hijack this threadhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/hijacked.gif:lol:close this friggin thread before it gets ugly...bottom line is to some elvis seemed strange that night ..to some he was just fine and got emotional making a point..nobody will ever know for sure..if that night elvis was on some substance... those peeps that say he was ...where are your sources to make such a claim you got proof..no proof or ur just supposing..then blah offhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

Hominuk
11-21-2009, 06:19 AM
godfather labelhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/angry-mob1_ani.gif(n)..the title is an insult to the king:mad:..elvis gave outstanding concerts in aug 74 in vegas..i wont be buying this blah..i hope nobody buys one single copy(y)http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

Agreed....definitely in poor taste....

Jumpsuit Junkie
11-21-2009, 06:41 AM
Personally I believe the show is far from terrible compared to 1976 or anything from 1977 with regards to quality. Quality wise this show is average for 1974.

Elvis was unprofessional in this instance, however he rarely voiced his opinion in this manner, so he should be given some lattitude overall. Much is made of this incident but to be perectly honest it is a storm in a teacup. Elvis cleary saw a distinction between street drugs and over the counter drugs. Unfortunately he made his case for both sides of the argument that night. Worse was to come in the future without the rants ;)

Tony Trout
11-21-2009, 07:17 AM
Fantasy World? Are you serious ?

Why is that, because the man didn't or don't think Elvis was stoned out of his core all his life, or in this case, on September 2nd 1974?

Just because Elvis was irritated as he** at the tabloids and stood up for himself in fron of his audience, does not mean he was on heroin.

What are your sources that he was indeed on that? The MM ? :doh:


My sources? Dr. Nick and the Memphis Mafia. Dr. Nick even admitted in July of 1973 that Elvis was a hard addict.

epmoodyblue
11-21-2009, 02:35 PM
you mean dr nick http://www.freewebs.com/elvisnowyoulightupthesky/PICS1/rubberface.gifthe guy who lost his medical licence,,incompetant http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

Tony Trout
11-21-2009, 02:48 PM
you mean dr nick http://www.freewebs.com/elvisnowyoulightupthesky/PICS1/rubberface.gifthe guy who lost his medical licence,,incompetant http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif



Um...for your information, he was still a doctor at this time and I truly believe that he did his best to help Elvis in spite of what some fans might think of him. As has been said: You can only help an addict when they, themselves, are ready for help and I truly don't believe that Elvis ever reached that point until it was too late. I don't understand why it's so hard for fans to understand this very, very simple concept? It boggles the mind...

I'm outta here...I've got other things to do than argue a moot point about Dr. Nick trying to help Elvis. It wasn't just Nick that Elvis was getting the stuff from!!

(BTW, those smilies are just a bit annoying)

(Sorry, I'm not in a really happy or jolly mood this morning).

debtdbruno
11-21-2009, 02:51 PM
Personally I believe the show is far from terrible compared to 1976 or anything from 1977 with regards to quality. Quality wise this show is average for 1974.

Elvis was unprofessional in this instance, however he rarely voiced his opinion in this manner, so he should be given some lattitude overall. Much is made of this incident but to be perectly honest it is a storm in a teacup. Elvis cleary saw a distinction between street drugs and over the counter drugs. Unfortunately he made his case for both sides of the argument that night. Worse was to come in the future without the rants ;)


(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Unchained Melody
11-21-2009, 02:59 PM
Um...for your information, he was still a doctor at this time and I truly believe that he did his best to help Elvis in spite of what some fans might think of him. As has been said: You can only help an addict when they, themselves, are ready for help and I truly don't believe that Elvis ever reached that point until it was too late. I don't understand why it's so hard for fans to understand this very, very simple concept? It boggles the mind...

I'm outta here...I've got other things to do than argue a moot point about Dr. Nick trying to help Elvis. It wasn't just Nick that Elvis was getting the stuff from!!

(BTW, those smilies are just a bit annoying)

(Sorry, I'm not in a really happy or jolly mood this morning).
So just because nick wasnt the only one giving elvis the stuff we need to defend him.
are you serious? Nick love the fame life he lived with elvis, he knew he had elvis in his pocket, write him prescriptions elvis would give him cars and jewerly.

epmoodyblue
11-21-2009, 03:04 PM
(BTW, those smilies are just a bit annoying)

(Sorry, I'm not in a really happy or jolly mood this morning).... ur not in a good mood...go for a walk in the park it will do you lots of good(y)http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gif

Tommy
11-21-2009, 03:50 PM
Please stay on topic, thanks.

KPM
11-21-2009, 09:00 PM
When you were high you could not do those things but there are other people that would be quite capable of getting on stage and performing songs and such it happens all the time with people.
People can react differently to drug usage.
I personally don't care that Elvis was high for the show or whatever but for some to deny that he was is unrealistic.
I can't believe this is even an issue.
You see that is my point-not just high-but "totally stoned-incoherent" as has been implied at times in the Desert Storm debate..... that is my point exactly.
Their is a huge difference and high or medicated and totally stoned or incoherent. I gave my view of what totally wacked is-Elvis was not totally stoned or incoherent-nor was he unable to move from point A to point B with out falling down or collapsing.
I'm sure many stars who use anti depressants, anti anxiety, diet pills etc....use them day in day out-but they are not stoned when they take the stage-all of the above do change mood and temperament.(depending on the person and dose) I have always said consistently on this subjuect of Desert Storm that Elvis was not totally stoned, or out of it-that is my point.
I have never said he was not over medicated. I hope you now understand my view better. Even though I'll bet I have given this same view since I joined the TCB world over and over.

KPM
11-21-2009, 09:04 PM
Personally I believe the show is far from terrible compared to 1976 or anything from 1977 with regards to quality. Quality wise this show is average for 1974.Elvis was unprofessional in this instance, however he rarely voiced his opinion in this manner, so he should be given some lattitude overall. Much is made of this incident but to be perectly honest it is a storm in a teacup. Elvis cleary saw a distinction between street drugs and over the counter drugs. Unfortunately he made his case for both sides of the argument that night. Worse was to come in the future without the rants ;)
Thanks Matt those are my thoughts exactly!(y)(y)

spanish eyes
11-22-2009, 12:42 AM
Elvis wasn't a robot, he was a human being with feelings just like the rest of us. When I think of all the years he was in the public eye and had so much pressure and expectations put on him, it amazes me that he didn't speak his mind more often. I love the way he doesn't just perform by singing to the audience he interacts with them, he brings them closer to him. If I had been at the show where he let it out all, I would have been on his side too, I would be understanding cos I would see the man and not the image; as the song goes........ before you abuse, criticize and accuse walk a mile in my shoes........ I know I couldn't.

epmoodyblue
11-22-2009, 01:28 AM
Elvis wasn't a robot, he was a human being with feelings just like the rest of us. When I think of all the years he was in the public eye and had so much pressure and expectations put on him, it amazes me that he didn't speak his mind more often. I love the way he doesn't just perform by singing to the audience he interacts with them, he brings them closer to him. If I had been at the show where he let it out all, I would have been on his side too, I would be understanding cos I would see the man and not the image; as the song
goes........ before you abuse, criticize and accuse walk a mile in my shoes........ I know I couldn't.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/amen.gifgracias well said:D(y)(y)the ones who throw stones at elvis ..you all look at urselfs in the mirror first . blah ...:mad:http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

Merry
11-22-2009, 01:48 AM
Elvis almost always got some type of positive response from his fans
no matter what he did.



so he should be given some lattitude overall. Much is made of this incident but to be perectly honest it is a storm in a teacup.

Well said, Ken and Matt :wiggle: :D


I'd like to add, Brian, that most of us fans stand up for who and what we believe in, or there wouldn't be disagreements (on TCB and other sites), as there are.

As I've said, there were two members from TCB who were present in the audience at the time, whose recollection is completely different from what was reported afterwards, that was negative. The people who where physically in the audience, their FIRST HAND recollections were positive.

Sandi Miller, who was back stage and also in the audience, told me personally, that Elvis was furious at what was said before he went on stage (and rightfully so).

Sandi also has said that people don't talk about the build up to what happens, just what happens, and they are so unfair. I agree with her.

I like going to concerts and connecting with the Artist. Hearing about them, their life, as they choose to share with us at the time. It makes it more enjoyable, as you connect. More personal, intimate, even though you are with a lot of people.

Elvis was definitely doing something right, as no-one has touched him since. :king: :hug:

Brian
11-22-2009, 04:15 AM
Well said, Ken and Matt :wiggle: :D


I'd like to add, Brian, that most of us fans stand up for who and what we believe in, or there wouldn't be disagreements (on TCB and other sites), as there are.

As I've said, there were two members from TCB who were present in the audience at the time, whose recollection is completely different from what was reported afterwards, that was negative. The people who where physically in the audience, their FIRST HAND recollections were positive.

Sandi Miller, who was back stage and also in the audience, told me personally, that Elvis was furious at what was said before he went on stage (and rightfully so).

Sandi also has said that people don't talk about the build up to what happens, just what happens, and they are so unfair. I agree with her.

I like going to concerts and connecting with the Artist. Hearing about them, their life, as they choose to share with us at the time. It makes it more enjoyable, as you connect. More personal, intimate, even though you are with a lot of people.

Elvis was definitely doing something right, as no-one has touched him since. :king: :hug:




What the hell are you talking about

Lonniebealestreet
11-22-2009, 06:27 AM
If they need a catchy title in order to be noticed, they can keep it respectable to say the least..

How about "carryin' on with candid jailhouse rock man as the king for dessert having one helluva night" ?
Ha! Well done.

Merry
11-22-2009, 07:51 AM
What the hell are you talking about


Elvis, "Desert Storm" and what I quoted from your response to me :D lol

Brian
11-22-2009, 09:42 AM
Elvis, "Desert Storm" and what I quoted from your response to me :D lol


oh, I see

As for 2 fans and Sandi Miller commenting on a show they saw in person 35 years ago.
Memories can become hazy after that much time and people's recollections are different. I cannot remember what I had for dinner last week.
I've listened to the show on tape not too long ago and conclude that Elvis was definately on something that night.

Merry
11-22-2009, 10:03 AM
oh, I see

As for 2 fans and Sandi Miller commenting on a show they saw in person 35 years ago.
Memories can become hazy after that much time and people's recollections are different. I cannot remember what I had for dinner last week.
I've listened to the show on tape not too long ago and conclude that Elvis was definately on something that night.


Brian, that's three people who were there, who's experiences were the same.

Ii was replying in the context of your comment here, Brian:


Elvis almost always got some type of positive response from his fans
no matter what he did.
Sandi journalled her experiences with Elvis, as they happened.

Jumpsuit Junkie
11-22-2009, 10:29 AM
Thanks Matt those are my thoughts exactly!(y)(y)

Hi Ken, I believe this issue is blown out of all proportion, I could understand if he walked off stage and refunds were refused etc. He said his piece in a 3-4 minute outburst and got on with the show...

I bet there isn't one person here who hasn't behaved worse in a work environment!!

TotallyInsane
11-22-2009, 01:01 PM
I love it how if the "fans" remember a show - their memory is clouded or prejudiced. But, if someone else remembers a show then that is the way it was! I just love it when fans who weren't even born tell me what I saw at those 25 live concerts!

And, for the record, Dr. Nick is not a doctor any longer. He lost his medical license after he was caught twice administering drugs to people who really didn't need them - one being his own daughter. He has worked at Federal Express in Memphis for many years reviewing medical records of employees on workers comp.

Diane
11-22-2009, 03:13 PM
Hi Ken, I believe this issue is blown out of all proportion, I could understand if he walked off stage and refunds were refused etc. He said his piece in a 3-4 minute outburst and got on with the show...

I bet there isn't one person here who hasn't behaved worse in a work environment!!

(y)(y)(y)

It sure would be pleasanter all around if some fans would just let Elvis be a human being instead of an image that would be impossible for anyone to uphold.

Diane

epmoodyblue
11-22-2009, 04:07 PM
I love it how if the "fans" remember a show - their memory is clouded or prejudiced. But, if someone else remembers a show then that is the way it was! I just love it when fans who weren't even born tell me what I saw at those 25 live concerts!

And, for the record, Dr. Nick is not a doctor any longer. He lost his medical license after he was caught twice administering drugs to people who really didn't need them - one being his own daughter. He has worked at Federal Express in Memphis for many years reviewing medical records of employees on workers comp.thats right:notworthy(y) ..dr nick did lose his liscence(y)
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Brian
11-22-2009, 10:07 PM
Brian, that's three people who were there, who's experiences were the same.

Ii was replying in the context of your comment here, Brian:


Sandi journalled her experiences with Elvis, as they happened.

oh that

A lot fans would applaud Elvis no matter what he did

Sandi Miller might not but I wasn't specifically talking about her.

KPM
11-24-2009, 03:57 PM
Hi Ken, I believe this issue is blown out of all proportion, I could understand if he walked off stage and refunds were refused etc. He said his piece in a 3-4 minute outburst and got on with the show...

I bet there isn't one person here who hasn't behaved worse in a work environment!!
Yes I think so also-IF Elvis had not had a problem with his legal prescriptions this would not be viewed so badly. It is that ongoing problem which makes this seem worse. IMO
Most everyone in their work life has a moment or moments where they just run out of patience, or tire of the "always smile" work environment and they let themselves slip.

T_J
11-25-2009, 03:52 AM
As I've said, there were two members from TCB who were present in the audience at the time, whose recollection is completely different from what was reported afterwards, that was negative. The people who where physically in the audience, their FIRST HAND recollections were positive.


And many fans cheered and left happy after the Omaha concert in 1977 too, when Elvis could barely put a sentence together without slurring. When in the presence of Elvis, fans evidently were somewhat blinkered at times due to the excitement. Even the Sweet Inspirations have said that they had no idea Elvis was in such bad shape at the end until they saw the film. The cold reality shocked them.

In Desert Storm, Elvis is not just angry. His judgement is clearly impaired by uppers. That's evident on numerous occasions throughout the concert when speaking and also when singing. He oversings in many places as if his brain and mouth aren't in full co-operation - like he can't get the words out quick enough. That's the reality and it's unfortunate and sad. It's one of the early on stage examples of his addiction getting the better of him. To admit that doesn't mean Elvis is being harshly criticised or that there is no compassion for his situation. It's just facing facts.

jak
11-25-2009, 06:35 AM
And many fans cheered and left happy after the Omaha concert in 1977 too, when Elvis could barely put a sentence together without slurring. When in the presence of Elvis, fans evidently were somewhat blinkered at times due to the excitement. Even the Sweet Inspirations have said that they had no idea Elvis was in such bad shape at the end until they saw the film. The cold reality shocked them.

In Desert Storm, Elvis is not just angry. His judgement is clearly impaired by uppers. That's evident on numerous occasions throughout the concert when speaking and also when singing. He oversings in many places as if his brain and mouth aren't in full co-operation - like he can't get the words out quick enough. That's the reality and it's unfortunate and sad. It's one of the early on stage examples of his addiction getting the better of him. To admit that doesn't mean Elvis is being harshly criticised or that there is no compassion for his situation. It's just facing facts.


You have summed it up perectly.That was a horrible night.It was an early red flag that Elvis was losing it.

epmoodyblue
11-25-2009, 11:09 PM
:hmm:very sad indeed to see elvis fans post made uplies about the show--so called desert storm...u werent even there at the concert.. be very ashamed of what ur doin to elvis..(n)what kind of fans are you peeps anyways:doh:...neways give it up ..my friend was at that show and he said it was excellent(y) the rest of you just have that bootleg disc of the concert and thats whats ur opinions are based on..you werent there then shut the bell up..http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

T_J
11-26-2009, 12:09 AM
:hmm:very sad indeed to see elvis fans post made uplies about the show--so called desert storm...u werent even there at the concert.. be very ashamed of what ur doin to elvis..(n)what kind of fans are you peeps anyways:doh:...neways give it up ..my friend was at that show and he said it was excellent(y) the rest of you just have that bootleg disc of the concert and thats whats ur opinions are based on..you werent there then shut the bell up..http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

The audio is enough to form an accurate conclusion, but there is other evidence. Elvis' piano player Glen Hardin was there and he recalls it rather differently to your friend. He says that sadly Elvis was high as a kite and the show was a mess. Do we trust the guy who really knew Elvis, had performed hundreds of shows with him and was a few feet away from him on stage, or do we trust a fan who was just excited to be in Elvis' presence and caught up in the occasion? You know there's an account of a June 1977 concert in a 1977 edition of the Elvis Monthly where a fan says "If Elvis was fat, I'm a Dutch man." It's called denial.

While busy telling people to shut up, you are missing an important point. It's precisely because everyone turned a blind eye and pretended everything was ok that Elvis ended up in the state that he did and ultimately died. No fan need be ashamed for recognising when Elvis was in trouble and admitting it, provided it's done with compassion.

epmoodyblue
11-26-2009, 01:20 AM
The audio is enough to form an accurate conclusion, but there is other evidence. Elvis' piano player Glen Hardin was there and he recalls it rather differently to your friend. He says that sadly Elvis was high as a kite and the show was a mess. Do we trust the guy who really knew Elvis, had performed hundreds of shows with him and was a few feet away from him on stage, or do we trust a fan who was just excited to be in Elvis' presence and caught up in the occasion? You know there's an account of a June 1977 concert in a 1977 edition of the Elvis Monthly where a fan says "If Elvis was fat, I'm a Dutch man." It's called denial.

While busy telling people to shut up, you are missing an important point. It's precisely because everyone turned a blind eye and pretended everything was ok that Elvis ended up in the state that he did and ultimately died. No fan need be ashamed for recognising when Elvis was in trouble and admitting it, provided it's done with compassion.haha audio was enough for you to draw definite conclusions:lmfao:..that statement alone proves how much you know..you werent there..and dont speak for my friend which you dont know either...by the way hes male..and seen many elvis concerts including various tahoe shows..and hes not the screaming type when elvis showed up and he was in no way in denial of anything of how elvis was onstage at any time ..for example my friend was at the dayton ohio oct 74 concert he said to me it was not avery good show actually heavier than when he showed up there in oct 76. bypass the weight comparison.it was not one of his better shows elvis wasint in top form that night....he called it as he viewed the concerts(y)...thats all i need to know ...when i post i state facts because i got proof...u dont.--u got no facts just stuff you heard form here there ..get real bud u know abosuletly nothing about that vegas aug show in 74 http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_2qi.gifthen just dont say anythinghttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

T_J
11-26-2009, 01:42 AM
I have functioning ears and that's all that's needed to determine that Elvis was not in full control. If you honestly can't hear it, I'm amazed that you are a fan of the man. Truly, I can't believe this is even being debated.

I noticed you ignored the point about Elvis' piano player. You are believing what you want to believe and I am believing what the evidence shows. Of course I too want to believe that Elvis was in superb form and simply a little ticked off, but there's no value in being blind to the truth.

epmoodyblue
11-26-2009, 01:57 AM
I have functioning ears and that's all that's needed to determine that Elvis was not in full control. If you honestly can't hear it, I'm amazed that you are a fan of the man. Truly, I can't believe this is even being debated.

I noticed you ignored the point about Elvis' piano player. You are believing what you want to believe and I am believing what the evidence shows. Of course I too want to believe that Elvis was in superb form and simply a little ticked off, but there's no value in being blind to the truth.i did read the elvis piano player thingyhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_icon_rolleyes.gifu cant trust anyone these days there back stabbers most of the peeps who worked for elvis..not all a few good ones in the bunch... .neways i have made my post gave my opinion u made urs..we will leave it at that.. im done with this post..im movin onhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_nothingtoadd.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

T_J
11-26-2009, 02:03 AM
i did read the elvis piano player thingyhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_icon_rolleyes.gifu cant trust anyone these days there back stabbers most of the peeps who worked for elvis..not all a few good ones in the bunch... .neways i have made my post gave my opinion u made urs..we will leave it at that.. im done with this post..im movin onhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_nothingtoadd.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif


Glen wasn't backstabbing at all. He wasn't gloating over it. He was sad about the way things turned out. What on earth would he have to gain by lying? He wasn't promoting a salacious book when questioned about it or seeking publicity. The guy just gave an honest answer when asked about the show. But fine, time for me to move on as well.

KPM
11-26-2009, 02:05 AM
I have functioning ears and that's all that's needed to determine that Elvis was not in full control. If you honestly can't hear it, I'm amazed that you are a fan of the man. Truly, I can't believe this is even being debated.

I noticed you ignored the point about Elvis' piano player. You are believing what you want to believe and I am believing what the evidence shows. Of course I too want to believe that Elvis was in superb form and simply a little ticked off, but there's no value in being blind to the truth.
I also have fully funtioning ears my friend and I am not cutting any slack to Elvis-but as Matt mentioned earlier I see this as blown out of proportion.
As I have said-if Elvis had not had a problem with prescription meds-this would not be the controversy some make it.
It is the paradox of prescribed meds and illegal drugs which makes the controversy-not his performance or the non professional behavoir IMO.
I have never said Elvis was in superb form that night..... but have said IMO it was far from the horrible performance some paint it as. The horrid performances came later.
You have your opinion of the night, the show and Elvis's actions-and others do also. The evidence is open to individual interpretation-as is shown by the differing opinions.

franny
11-26-2009, 02:10 AM
It's too bad there isn't any footage from Desert Storm...or is there? :hmm:

franny

KPM
11-26-2009, 02:18 AM
It's too bad there isn't any footage from Desert Storm...or is there? :hmm:

franny
None that I have ever heard about.
But its funny-for the audience in 1974, it was a minor thing-a superstar letting off steam.............but they did not know what we do today..............
so we "hear it differently"..........thru the knowledge of his own legal drug problem..............I truely think that makes a difference in how its seen.
But thats just my opinion.
Glen Hardin knew of the problem in 74 and he saw it differently.

TotallyInsane
11-26-2009, 02:41 AM
Given the severity of Glen's drinking problem over the years, I know that I wouldn't trust his recollection over mine. He may have only sat 30 feet from him and did hundreds of shows with him but I do believe that 30 years of heavy drinking can cloud anyone's memory - even Glen Hardin's.

KPM
11-26-2009, 02:50 AM
Given the severity of Glen's drinking problem over the years, I know that I wouldn't trust his recollection over mine. He may have only sat 30 feet from him and did hundreds of shows with him but I do believe that 30 years of heavy drinking can cloud anyone's memory - even Glen Hardin's.
Yes you are correct, its hard to recall specifics when the brain you use has had many cells destroyed thru alcohol.
Thank goodness we all have billions and billions of brain cells since many of us have a tendency to do things which are counterproductive to them.;)

franny
11-26-2009, 02:57 AM
None that I have ever heard about.
But its funny-for the audience in 1974, it was a minor thing-a superstar letting off steam.............but they did not know what we do today..............
so we "hear it differently"..........thru the knowledge of his own legal drug problem..............I truely think that makes a difference in how its seen.
But thats just my opinion.
Glen Hardin knew of the problem in 74 and he saw it differently.

Thanks, for your reply Ken. (y) I think so many people see things differently, regardless of what the situation was/is.

He sounded like he was letting off steam to me. I'm sure the audience didn't expect it, but he was just letting his feelings out..

Was anyone on here at this show? Sorry, if it's been asked/answered already, but there's so many pages to go through :lol:

franny

Tony Trout
11-26-2009, 07:03 AM
He sounded like he was letting off steam to me. I'm sure the audience didn't expect it, but he was just letting his feelings out..



franny


Yes, he was letting his feelings out but, still, a professional entertainer such as Elvis shouldn't have "let his feelings out" in front of 2,000 people.

EnigmaticSun
11-26-2009, 01:15 PM
Yes, he was letting his feelings out but, still, a professional entertainer such as Elvis shouldn't have "let his feelings out" in front of 2,000 people.

He just got upset about something whereas other entertainers would eat the internal organs of a chicken in front of a crowd. You tell me what's more respectable.

Merry
11-26-2009, 01:15 PM
I think people are too exacting. :'(

Merry
11-26-2009, 01:16 PM
He just got upset about something whereas other entertainers would eat the internal organs of a chicken in front of a crowd. You tell me what's more respectable.



LOL, :hug: :bye:

May
11-26-2009, 01:27 PM
He just got upset about something whereas other entertainers would eat the internal organs of a chicken in front of a crowd. You tell me what's more respectable.

Bite heads off bats, and doves (well, ok, doves not done in front of an audience maybe, but even so) ................................................. :wacko:

and who was it who angrily leapt on top of the audience in a bid to seize a (forbidden) camera when a fan took a picture? Think it was Axle Rose!:nono:

TotallyInsane
11-26-2009, 03:10 PM
He just got upset about something whereas other entertainers would eat the internal organs of a chicken in front of a crowd. You tell me what's more respectable.

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy :notworthy

His ranting was nothing compared to what the people of Hollywood do these days.

Merry
11-26-2009, 09:13 PM
Bite heads off bats, and doves (well, ok, doves not done in front of an audience maybe, but even so) ................................................. :wacko:

and who was it who angrily leapt on top of the audience in a bid to seize a (forbidden) camera when a fan took a picture? Think it was Axle Rose!:nono:


Some "Acts" from the past:

Urinating on stage.

Eating a head off a bird (Ozzie, didn't he?).

Breaking up the equipment.

Swearing at the audience.

There was a show on TV, broadcast of a band on stage, I can't even repeat what the woman was doing, I was flicking through some TV channels, you wouldn't believe what she was on about and doing, (couldn't be worse) and it was on our Channel 2, being broadcast!

The Everlasting Gaze
11-26-2009, 09:23 PM
Some "Acts" from the past:

Urinating on stage.

Eating a head off a bird (Ozzie, didn't he?).

Breaking up the equipment.

Swearing at the audience.

There was a show on TV, broadcast of a band on stage, I can't even repeat what the woman was doing, I was flicking through some TV channels, you wouldn't believe what she was on about and doing, (couldn't be worse) and it was on our Channel 2, being broadcast!


Was It Courtney Love Maybe ?

Merry
11-26-2009, 09:31 PM
Was It Courtney Love Maybe ?



I haven't watched Courtney's act honey, no; but honestly, it wouldn't have even occured to think in what this "act" was doing, this "woman".

What did Courtney Love do?

KPM
11-27-2009, 05:26 PM
Thanks, for your reply Ken. (y) I think so many people see things differently, regardless of what the situation was/is.

He sounded like he was letting off steam to me. I'm sure the audience didn't expect it, but he was just letting his feelings out..

Was anyone on here at this show? Sorry, if it's been asked/answered already, but there's so many pages to go through :lol:

franny
I think Elvis is given a catch 22 by some-we all want to hold him to the standards of "regular people" yet he was not "regular people" we say he was "special"....then say he was "human"........ we say .....lets show the warts and all......yet complain of the general public seeing him as only the last 3-4 years of his life when the warts overtook him????? CATCH 22
I know Elvis should not have let off steam in public-I know its unprofessional for anyone to do it on the job-yet "Regular people do it" "Human people do it"
regardless of using meds, over using meds, or just straight.
The standards for Elvis-are many and span the total spectrum:
cut him no slack
hold him blameless,
hold him to higher standards than regular people
Say he was special, but cut him no slack
say he was human, but hold him to a higher standard
all of the above;);):D

debtdbruno
11-27-2009, 05:38 PM
100% accurate there Ken..........in other words, he couldn't win, no matter what he did

Jumpsuit Junkie
11-27-2009, 06:50 PM
I think Elvis is given a catch 22 by some-we all want to hold him to the standards of "regular people" yet he was not "regular people" we say he was "special"....then say he was "human"........ we say .....lets show the warts and all......yet complain of the general public seeing him as only the last 3-4 years of his life when the warts overtook him????? CATCH 22
I know Elvis should not have let off steam in public-I know its unprofessional for anyone to do it on the job-yet "Regular people do it" "Human people do it"
regardless of using meds, over using meds, or just straight.
The standards for Elvis-are many and span the total spectrum:
cut him no slack
hold him blameless,
hold him to higher standards than regular people
Say he was special, but cut him no slack
say he was human, but hold him to a higher standard
all of the above;);):D

Probably the best post on here over the last 12 Months!

epmoodyblue
11-27-2009, 07:29 PM
:hmm: some used the word *pathetic* :doh:to discribe elvis ...this is a disgrace. ..and no real elvis fan should use that word when talking about elvis(n) never:angry:...to me it didint really matter..i loved elvis right until the end ..and i couldint care less about desert whateverhttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_flick.gif...i accept elvis as he was warts and all..the good and the bad....it will never matter for me he was the greatest..hes my hero foreverhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif

May
11-27-2009, 07:48 PM
The last four posts..................................... :notworthy(y)(y);)

Merry
11-27-2009, 10:04 PM
The last four posts..................................... :notworthy(y)(y);)



Dearest May,

Yes! Well said :D

:hug: :hug: :hug: Thank you everyone for the fabulous posts :D

eulangels
11-28-2009, 02:59 AM
Elvis was mad as hell and he had a right to be..... Put your life under a microscope, would you pass the test.???? We have one judge, and it's none of us......

EnigmaticSun
11-28-2009, 04:38 PM
We have one judge, and it's none of us.....

Well said.. and if you judge another person your hands are washed in muddy water and don't come clean!

Anyway, perhaps this speech came out somewhat uncontrolled. It's one of the rare times he talked convincingly without having to use his singing voice. Perhaps he would have had less trouble - until this very day - should John Cleese have prepared the speech for him..

You ponce in here, expecting to be handwaited on hand and foot while I'm trying to sing in a hotel here! Have you any idea of how much there is to do? Do you ever think of that? Of course not! You're all too busy sticking your noses into every corner, poking around for things to complain about, aren't you? Well, let me tell you something - this is exactly how Nazi Germany started - some layabouts with nothing better to do than to cause trouble! Well, I've had five years of pandering to the likes of you (since 1969), and I've had enough! I've had it! Come on, pack your bags and get out!

debtdbruno
11-28-2009, 05:01 PM
LOL Fabian

John Cleese is a very funny Man.......love Fawlty Towers

Unchained Melody
11-29-2009, 04:25 AM
I think Elvis is given a catch 22 by some-we all want to hold him to the standards of "regular people" yet he was not "regular people" we say he was "special"....then say he was "human"........ we say .....lets show the warts and all......yet complain of the general public seeing him as only the last 3-4 years of his life when the warts overtook him????? CATCH 22
I know Elvis should not have let off steam in public-I know its unprofessional for anyone to do it on the job-yet "Regular people do it" "Human people do it"
regardless of using meds, over using meds, or just straight.
The standards for Elvis-are many and span the total spectrum:
cut him no slack
hold him blameless,
hold him to higher standards than regular people
Say he was special, but cut him no slack
say he was human, but hold him to a higher standard
all of the above;);):D

Could anybody have said it any better, I don't think so.
Thank you for this post ken, it really does sum it all up !

sasha
11-29-2009, 12:12 PM
Originally Posted by KPM
I think Elvis is given a catch 22 by some-we all want to hold him to the standards of "regular people" yet he was not "regular people" we say he was "special"....then say he was "human"........ we say .....lets show the warts and all......yet complain of the general public seeing him as only the last 3-4 years of his life when the warts overtook him????? CATCH 22
I know Elvis should not have let off steam in public-I know its unprofessional for anyone to do it on the job-yet "Regular people do it" "Human people do it"
regardless of using meds, over using meds, or just straight.
The standards for Elvis-are many and span the total spectrum:
cut him no slack
hold him blameless,
hold him to higher standards than regular people
Say he was special, but cut him no slack
say he was human, but hold him to a higher standard
all of the above

Agree . He was ****ed if he did & ****ed if he didn't .
How many have complained because he wouldn't take up for himself?
Too bad he didn't "go off" more often. ;)

TotallyInsane
11-29-2009, 01:43 PM
Agree . He was ****ed if he did & ****ed if he didn't .
How many have complained because he wouldn't take up for himself?
Too bad he didn't "go off" more often. ;)


(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Unchained Melody
11-29-2009, 03:30 PM
Elvis' piano player Glen Hardin was there and he recalls it rather differently to your friend. He says that sadly Elvis was high as a kite and the show was a mess.

Elvis lead guitar player James Burton was asked about that closing night and he said the show was fantastic.

epmoodyblue
11-29-2009, 03:59 PM
Elvis lead guitar player James Burton was asked about that closing night and he said the show was fantastic.james burton knows(y)..as 4 glen hardin not very reliable :lol: he was known to hit the bottlehttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_drunk-40.gifprob was drunk when he made that statement about elvis http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif

T_J
11-29-2009, 04:31 PM
Reading this thread is like entering the Twilight Zone.

Let's just remember that while Elvis was joking about Priscilla liking studs and his other unusual comments, his six-year-old daughter was sat there.

It's not a question of whether Elvis had a right to speak out. Personally, I don't have a problem with him addressing rumours that hurt him. It's just very clear that he's not himself when doing it.

epmoodyblue
11-29-2009, 04:50 PM
Reading this thread is like entering the Twilight Zone.:lol:..:hmm:this topic has been posted in this forum a gazillion times ..same old same old http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-shocked028.gif..im outta this freakin thread..same cutomers pop up with there same old comments..http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_door-165.gif...my mom just placed a hot plate of spaghetti http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_eating-spaghettis-18.gifon the table(y)..im italian love the spagetts(y)...and to me thats far more important than tryin to figure out what supposedly happened in vegas 74 on that blah night(n)..lunch time :D byehttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif

sasha
11-29-2009, 05:33 PM
How does anyone know what Elvis said?

Did he say "stud" or Stutz ??
Read about his Stutz Blackhawks below. He had a few & gave some away.

.http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/elvis_presleys_stutz_blackhawks.shtml

debtdbruno
11-29-2009, 07:28 PM
He said Cilla liked the Stutz.......he gave her it

She bought him a Rolls Royce

sasha
11-29-2009, 07:43 PM
He said Cilla liked the Stutz.......he gave her it

She bought him a Rolls Royce

Funny, how people hear different things, isn't it ? ;)

debtdbruno
11-29-2009, 07:52 PM
iT SURE IS..........I love the Stutz too, he could have given me it, I'd have appreciated it more than Cilla.......LOL

May
11-29-2009, 07:59 PM
I thought when Prissy gave him a rolls royce, he gave her a fur coat and a mercedez ?!!

sasha
11-29-2009, 07:59 PM
http://books.google.com/books?id=2-HvQBbihNkC&pg=RA1-PA279&lpg=RA1-PA279&dq=Elvis+Presley+Divorce+settlement&source=bl&ots=rsECzeT9Ku&sig=gayGFeod9Io3SSJdEKDeVEBDivM&hl=en&ei=Y9ASS4D7O4WpnQeo-8DKAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQ6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q=Elvis%20Presley%20Divorce%20settlement&f=false

In the Col. book, you can see how much Priscilla got .
No wonder he was a tad P.O. :P

debtdbruno
11-29-2009, 08:25 PM
Ok, got DS cd out. She got a mink and a jag. He got the rolls.
Then he says she likes the Stutz.(with a bit of stud thrown in), and he says he will give her that.
He references Mike Stone as being no stud..........

T_J
11-30-2009, 01:18 AM
Ok, got DS cd out. She got a mink and a jag. He got the rolls.
Then he says she likes the Stutz.(with a bit of stud thrown in), and he says he will give her that.
He references Mike Stone as being no stud..........

Yes, he says it in the context of talking about the Stutz gift. He does a play on words and says that Cilla likes studs. It's a pretty embarrassing speech that I'm sure ordinarily he wouldn't have said in front of Lisa.