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Billy Budd
08-12-2008, 11:31 PM
This suit is Elvis' finest ever. Period. Just perfect.

One version of this suit was made in 1974 with 3 buttons and another version was made in 1977 with only 2 buttons on sleeves.

3 BUTTON VERSION USED:
17.02.77: Savannah
20.02.77: Charlotte
23.03.77: Tempe
25.03.77: Norman
27.03.77: Abilene
29.03.77: Alexandria
21.04.77: Greensboro
22.04.77: Detroit
23.04.77: Toledo
25.04.77: Saginaw
26.04.77: Kalamazoo
27.04.77: Milwaukee
28.04.77: Green Bay
30.04.77: St. Paul
02.05.77: Chicago
03.05.77: Saginaw

2 BUTTON VERSION USED:
20.05.77: Knoxville
21.05.77: Louisville
22.05.77: Largo
23.05.77: Providence
24.05.77: Augusta
25.05.77: Rochester
26.05.77: Binghampton
27.05.77: Binghampton
28.05.77: Philadelphia
29.05.77: Baltimore
30.05.77: Jacksonville
31.05.77: Baton Rouge
01.06.77: Macon
02.06.77: Mobile
17.06.77: Springfield
19.06.77: Omaha
20.06.77: Lincoln
21.06.77: Rapid City
22.06.77: Sioux Falls
23.06.77: Des Moines
24.06.77: Madison
25.06.77: Cincinnati
26.06.77: Indianapolis

During Elvis last shows from May until June 26 the "3 buttons version" was prepered for Elvis by his crew for every new show (cleaning, ironing etc.). Elvis very seldom used the same suit two days in a row, but during his final shows he did for unclear reasons. He probably felt comfortable in the Mexican Sundial Suit with only 2 buttons on sleeves?

rickb
08-13-2008, 12:34 AM
Are we sure there were two versions?
Maybe a button fell off.
I know this suit gets ridiculed a lot for its pizza design and unflattering look for Elvis' weight, but i think it is quite regal and would have been fine if he was looking better

JDD
08-13-2008, 12:40 AM
I was never that fond of it until I seen it up close at the Jumpsuit exhibit at Graceland. I could see in person up that close just all the work that went into it and how much nicer the thing looks then it does on TV.

JD

Wendy56
08-13-2008, 02:31 AM
Yes, that suit is so beautiful! :clap: :rule: I love it... wonder why? :D

alstrada
08-13-2008, 02:45 AM
Only one version.a button fell off.

Mexican Sundial Jumpsuit (1974-1977) aka the Pizza. First worn in 1974 and then rested. It was most popular during 1977 where Elvis virtually wore it to every show during the later stages.

It was speculated that there might have been more than one Sundial suit due to the missing buttons on the sleeves in May/June 1977. This has however been cleared up by Gene Doucette who commented that there was only one of this suit made.


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Getlo
08-13-2008, 12:17 PM
One suit. One button fell off.

Billy Budd
08-13-2008, 07:09 PM
...............................

LtCarman
08-13-2008, 07:53 PM
nope...............................

I can assure you, there was only one version of the jumpsuit made. Even the suit's designer, Gene Doucette, said that there was only one version of it made.

Tony Trout
08-13-2008, 08:10 PM
This suit is Elvis' finest ever. Period. Just perfect.

One version of this suit was made in 1974 with 3 buttons and another version was made in 1977 with only 2 buttons on sleeves.

3 BUTTON VERSION USED:
17.02.77: Savannah
20.02.77: Charlotte
23.03.77: Tempe
25.03.77: Norman
27.03.77: Abilene
29.03.77: Alexandria
21.04.77: Greensboro
22.04.77: Detroit
23.04.77: Toledo
25.04.77: Saginaw
26.04.77: Kalamazoo
27.04.77: Milwaukee
28.04.77: Green Bay
30.04.77: St. Paul
02.05.77: Chicago
03.05.77: Saginaw

2 BUTTON VERSION USED:
20.05.77: Knoxville
21.05.77: Louisville
22.05.77: Largo
23.05.77: Providence
24.05.77: Augusta
25.05.77: Rochester
26.05.77: Binghampton
27.05.77: Binghampton
28.05.77: Philadelphia
29.05.77: Baltimore
30.05.77: Jacksonville
31.05.77: Baton Rouge
01.06.77: Macon
02.06.77: Mobile
17.06.77: Springfield
19.06.77: Omaha
20.06.77: Lincoln
21.06.77: Rapid City
22.06.77: Sioux Falls
23.06.77: Des Moines
24.06.77: Madison
25.06.77: Cincinnati
26.06.77: Indianapolis

During Elvis last shows from May until June 26 the "3 buttons version" was prepered for Elvis by his crew for every new show (cleaning, ironing etc.). Elvis very seldom used the same suit two days in a row, but during his final shows he did for unclear reasons. He probably felt comfortable in the Mexican Sundial Suit with only 2 buttons on sleeves?



Wrong. There was only one (1) version of this suit made. Ask Leroy. He spoke with Gene Doucette (Gene designed the suit--he should know how many versions there are).



Are we sure there were two versions?
Maybe a button fell off.
I know this suit gets ridiculed a lot for its pizza design and unflattering look for Elvis' weight, but i think it is quite regal and would have been fine if he was looking better


One suit. One button fell off.


Agreed.




1 vs 2 versions:

I have spoken to members of Elvis entourage who went on tour with him (the Memphis Mafia). They told me that two versions excists.


They're mistaken. There is only one. Gene Doucette designed just the one (1) suit in 1974.

Jumpsuit Junkie
08-13-2008, 10:57 PM
I responded to this post last night:-

Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Budd http://www.tcb-world.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?p=236760#post236760)
Matt: You are not right.

Hi Billy, It is not a question of me not being right, it is a question of whether Gene Doucette (http://www.b-k-enterprises.com/genebio.html) is right. Seeing as how Gene designed the suits and did the embroidery, I'm pretty certain that he would remember if there were two suits made?

Leroy went to see Gene Doucette and Bill Belew (http://www.b-k-enterprises.com/billbelew.html) in Amsterdam a couple of years ago and had a long conversation, many myths were dispelled and names of suits were corrected etc. Leroy put the question of the two Sundial Suits and Gene said that there was only 'one' made.

Elvis wore this suit more than any other, there were more signs of ware and tear than any other, hence the missing buttons. To be exact there were 3 buttons on each cuff (both sides) giving a total of 12, some went missing, possibly fans who knows, but the suit was repaired and the buttons then went to two on all sides giving a total of 8.

I have no wish to get into any argument when the information has come from the designers. As far as I'm concerned this issue has been discussed and answers given.

Please have a look at the photo below, one of Leeches from 24.05.77

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1916/leach240577um7.jpg

If you look at the cuff on the outside you can see two, where as when you look at the inside you can clearly see three!

Would this suit have been designed in such a way? Highly unlikely...

Another shot from the 23.05.77 plus a shot from April/May 77 with the left hand inside cuff button missing compare to the right hand!
Attached Thumbnails http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25621&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1218584661 (http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25621&d=1218584661) http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25622&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1218585228 (http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25622&d=1218585228)

thehillbillycat
08-14-2008, 01:57 AM
This suit is Elvis' finest ever. Period. Just perfect.

One version of this suit was made in 1974 with 3 buttons and another version was made in 1977 with only 2 buttons on sleeves.

3 BUTTON VERSION USED:
17.02.77: Savannah
20.02.77: Charlotte
23.03.77: Tempe
25.03.77: Norman
27.03.77: Abilene
29.03.77: Alexandria
21.04.77: Greensboro
22.04.77: Detroit
23.04.77: Toledo
25.04.77: Saginaw
26.04.77: Kalamazoo
27.04.77: Milwaukee
28.04.77: Green Bay
30.04.77: St. Paul
02.05.77: Chicago
03.05.77: Saginaw

2 BUTTON VERSION USED:
20.05.77: Knoxville
21.05.77: Louisville
22.05.77: Largo
23.05.77: Providence
24.05.77: Augusta
25.05.77: Rochester
26.05.77: Binghampton
27.05.77: Binghampton
28.05.77: Philadelphia
29.05.77: Baltimore
30.05.77: Jacksonville
31.05.77: Baton Rouge
01.06.77: Macon
02.06.77: Mobile
17.06.77: Springfield
19.06.77: Omaha
20.06.77: Lincoln
21.06.77: Rapid City
22.06.77: Sioux Falls
23.06.77: Des Moines
24.06.77: Madison
25.06.77: Cincinnati
26.06.77: Indianapolis

During Elvis last shows from May until June 26 the "3 buttons version" was prepered for Elvis by his crew for every new show (cleaning, ironing etc.). Elvis very seldom used the same suit two days in a row, but during his final shows he did for unclear reasons. He probably felt comfortable in the Mexican Sundial Suit with only 2 buttons on sleeves?

Wrong, as it was said by other members that Gene Doucette and Bill Belew have stated that only one suit was made. I know a fan who owns a button from the suit went it came off in Savannah along with some stones. The suit was worn so often that the suit was really falling apart. Hence the fact you see buttons in different numbers from show to show. There was never two suit. It is a fact that Elvis did have 2 or more suits of the same suit but after the 1974 range only one suit that was know of had 2 suits and that was the flame suit. It is the only one that has two suits.

elvispresleytheking
08-14-2008, 02:09 AM
He looks good in it in 1974.http://www.elvis-collectors.com/cc1974-1.html

Jumpsuit Junkie
08-14-2008, 08:14 AM
Wrong, as it was said by other members that Gene Doucette and Bill Belew have stated that only one suit was made. I know a fan who owns a button from the suit went it came off in Savannah along with some stones. The suit was worn so often that the suit was really falling apart. Hence the fact you see buttons in different numbers from show to show. There was never two suit. It is a fact that Elvis did have 2 or more suits of the same suit but after the 1974 range only one suit that was know of had 2 suits and that was the flame suit. It is the only one that has two suits.

Correct (y)

Billy Budd
08-15-2008, 10:13 AM
If only 1 Mexican Sundial Suit:

*Elvis would very seldom use the same jumpsuit day after day. Why did he do that so often in 1977 and not the other years?

*If buttons fell off why wasn't they replaced in any way?

*How come both sides of the jumpsuit lost its buttons (at the same time)?

If you look closely on this picture there don't seem to have been a third button - just my openion.

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=28180&c=35

Jumpsuit Junkie
08-15-2008, 10:46 AM
I respect that there is a theory that there were two suits as it does indeed seem strange for Elvis to have used just the one suit for so long!

However, what reason would there be for Gene and Bill to lie about there only being one suit, what would they have to gain?

Did you have a look at the photo's I posted on the Mexican Sundial thread? You can clearly see that there is a button missing on both arms! Clik HERE (http://www.tcb-world.com/showpost.php?p=236777&postcount=83)

Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one...

MojoElvis
08-15-2008, 01:30 PM
One suit. One button fell off.

i agree with Getlo on this one.

Billy Budd
08-15-2008, 01:46 PM
Hi there Elvis fans.

I'm not saying that Gene and Bill lie. I'm just saying that I'm not 100% convinced. It's 30 years ago. They can even be wrong. I have also been talking with a lot of "inside-folks" from the Elvis gang the last 10 years or so and know a lot about how thins were when Elvis was on tour. It was not normal for him to use the same outfit night after night.

If i'm wrong, well i can live with that! Thanks for info anyway.

Getlo
08-15-2008, 02:14 PM
I'm not saying that Gene and Bill lie.

No, they don't.


I'm just saying that I'm not 100% convinced.

There's no reason not to be. The idea that there were two Sundial suits was dismissed years ago. It was obvious that the only difference was the missing button.


It's 30 years ago.

So what?


They can even be wrong.

The designers and makers of the suit would certainly know if they had made more than one of any suit, especially one so important in the Presley saga. They have informed us of previously unknown doubles (Flame Suits, Fringe Suits et al) so the idea that they would not remember a second Sundial does not hold water.


I have also been talking with a lot of "inside-folks" from the Elvis gang the last 10 years or so and know a lot about how thins were when Elvis was on tour.

None of these "insiders" would know anything relating to what Elvis wore on tour, except for maybe Joe Esposito. They would have no idea about what the suit-cleaning regimen was.


It was not normal for him to use the same outfit night after night.

The Sundial suit was probably the only suit that fitted him reasonably well by the end. Although the King of Spades provided occasional relief, up to the final tour. But for those months in 1977, the only suit he wore was the Sundial, and there was only one version of it. Also, in 1976, the Bicentennial Suits were not always alternated; there were times when he wore the same one two or three nights in a row.

If there was a second version of the Sundial, Graceland would have it in their records and archives (like the two Flame Suits) but they don't, because it does not exist.


If i'm wrong, well i can live with that!

Then you'll have to live with that.

Tony Trout
08-15-2008, 04:23 PM
No, they don't.



There's no reason not to be. The idea that there were two Sundial suits was dismissed years ago. It was obvious that the only difference was the missing button.



So what?



The designers and makers of the suit would certainly know if they had made more than one of any suit, especially one so important in the Presley saga. They have informed us of previously unknown doubles (Flame Suits, Fringe Suits et al) so the idea that they would not remember a second Sundial does not hold water.



None of these "insiders" would know anything relating to what Elvis wore on tour, except for maybe Joe Esposito. They would have no idea about what the suit-cleaning regimen was.



The Sundial suit was probably the only suit that fitted him reasonably well by the end. Although the King of Spades provided occasional relief, up to the final tour. But for those months in 1977, the only suit he wore was the Sundial, and there was only one version of it. Also, in 1976, the Bicentennial Suits were not always alternated; there were times when he wore the same one two or three nights in a row.

If there was a second version of the Sundial, Graceland would have it in their records and archives (like the two Flame Suits) but they don't, because it does not exist.



Then you'll have to live with that.


I agree with Getlo on all statements. There was and is only one Mexican Sundial suit. First worn in October of 1974 then put away for some unknown reason until 1977.

alstrada
08-15-2008, 05:16 PM
The EP'designer Gene Doucette said ; "I made only one "Sundial Jumpsuit" ........

It's clear !!!

thehillbillycat
08-15-2008, 05:42 PM
If only 1 Mexican Sundial Suit:

*Elvis would very seldom use the same jumpsuit day after day. Why did he do that so often in 1977 and not the other years?

*If buttons fell off why wasn't they replaced in any way?

*How come both sides of the jumpsuit lost its buttons (at the same time)?

If you look closely on this picture there don't seem to have been a third button - just my openion.

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=28180&c=35

Elvis was very different in 1977 compared to the Elvis before 1977. As I have said and Leroy will confirmed this also. Elvis started losing the buttons during the second tour. The suit was worn so often that the suit was coming apart.

1973 was really the last year that 2 or more suits was made for a certain suit. Aloha suit has three versions - The one used for Alternate is one suit and the one used for telecast is another. The reason why we know this is because of the line up of the star that is around the eagle. They are different. A third suit was made and was used after Aloha. That suit looks like the telecast but the stars looks like the one used for Alternate.

The only suit that we know of that had 2 or more suits made was the Flame suit. We know this because of the pant legs. They are different from each other. In 1977 only Indian Feather, Sundial, King of Spades, Rainfall fitted him right. That is why he only wore them.

Sundial was first worn in 1974 and so was the King of Spades. They was first worn in Tahoe and was put away and King of Spades made it debut again in 1976 and Sundial in 1977.

When Elvis came to Savannah stones from the suit and buttons was coming off. A lady that I met in Macon has some of the stones and one button from the suit.

But as we see in the photos buttons was added and come off again, that is what we see in the photos. 1977, Elvis was at a point that he had to decided really what to wear between four suits. Then when it came up to the final tour only one suit he felt better in and that was Sundial.

As Getlo said, Graceland doesn't have in their archives that two or more suits was made of the Sundial and the designers themselves said that only one suit was made. That is two sources right there. The only person that I would believe that was around Elvis the whole time is Joe. The rest I wouldn't believe since they didn't know what Elvis really have. That wasn't their business. Those "insiders" doesn't know anything. If you want to believe that Elvis had two suits made you have your opinion. We here on this forum it has already been confirmed that Elvis only had one suit made for the sundial. Leroy is the top guy on this forum that knows about the jumpsuits and he says that only one was made.

Billy Budd
08-15-2008, 07:39 PM
Okay, okay...! I get it. Thanks for info you sundial folks.

Billy Budd
08-15-2008, 07:46 PM
BTW:

"When Elvis came to Savannah stones from the suit and buttons was coming off. A lady that I met in Macon has some of the stones and one button from the suit."

Can you tell us (me) the full story of that? Who is she? How did she capture the stones and one button?

thehillbillycat
08-15-2008, 08:06 PM
BTW:

"When Elvis came to Savannah stones from the suit and buttons was coming off. A lady that I met in Macon has some of the stones and one button from the suit."

Can you tell us (me) the full story of that? Who is she? How did she capture the stones and one button?

I don't remember her name but I go to a flea market in Macon each weekend and I am known there as The Elvis Collector. Well she heard of me and got some things from me. She told me that she has something to show me the following weekend and ask if I will be there. I told her yes. Well, When I saw her she showed me a small ziploc bag. Inside the bag was about a button and some stones. I ask her where did they came from and told me it was from the suit that Elvis wore in Savannah. That she was there and during the show when Elvis would move around or go and kiss some fans that these stones would fall off. A button fell off too. I ask her if it was the Sundial suit. Well, she not 100% fimilar with the name of the suits. Well, I ask her if she remembers the Elvis In Concert CBS Special and said was that the suit he wore in Savannah. She said yes it was. I told her that was the Sundial suit. She said ok. She ask if I would know the value of these. I told her that they would be consider priceless since they came from the suit. A value really can't be place on them since you don't get to see them much at all. I ask her if she can prove that these was the stones from that suit. She said yes she could by witnesses around her and from a photo that she took of Elvis kissing a fan and you can actually see a small stone pop off the suit. That there is proof that stones pop off the suit. I told her because of Elvis wearing the suit alot that the suit was falling apart. She told me she wondered why a stone would fall off of his suit and now she knew. She told me that she isn't going to sell them and that they will be staying with the family.

Billy Budd
08-15-2008, 08:49 PM
Great story thanks.

"...witnesses around her and from a photo that she took of Elvis kissing a fan and you can actually see a small stone pop off the suit..."

Do you have that picture? A link or something? I have some pictures from the show but i don't think they are the right ones. PLEASE!

Unchained Melody
08-15-2008, 08:58 PM
Only one suit as its been discussed many times. I actually think its one of the beautiful suit's he wore :notworthy

Jumpsuit Junkie
08-15-2008, 09:21 PM
Just as a footnote, the fans that went to see Elvis wouldn't have known that Elvis wore this suit numerous times as the majority would have only seen Elvis once or twice :hmm:

Billy Budd
08-15-2008, 10:17 PM
Only one suit as its been discussed many times. I actually think its one of the beautiful suit's he wore :notworthy

AGREE 100%

Unchained Melody
08-18-2008, 07:06 AM
However, what reason would there be for Gene and Bill to lie about there only being one suit, what would they have to gain?


Exactly, there isn't nothing to gain. If the men who designed the suit say there was only one made then i think its obvious who to beleive.:doh: