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hgs262626
02-17-2008, 11:26 PM
does anyone know for sure what the book he was reading was when he passed away? people keep changing their mind and what happened to it???! thnx:):):):):):)

Lonniebealestreet
02-18-2008, 02:05 AM
It isn't so much that people have been changing their minds but that there was more than one book that Elvis read that night, hence some of the confusion. So the reports you have heard are all probably at least partly true. These books are now in private hands.

Leroy
02-18-2008, 03:00 AM
According to Larry Geller, who provided Elvis with books, he was reading "A Sientific Search for the Face of Jesus".

Tony Trout
02-18-2008, 03:56 AM
According to Larry Geller, who provided Elvis with books, he was reading "A Sientific Search for the Face of Jesus".


No. He was reading a book on sex and psychic energy.

cameron
02-18-2008, 04:16 AM
According to Larry Geller, who provided Elvis with books, he was reading "A Sientific Search for the Face of Jesus".


http://www.catholic-library.org.uk/catalogue/index.php?action=find_class&cur_page=0&find=232.966

A scientific search for the face of Jesus.. ADAMS, Frank O..
Shelf: ADA. accession No: 28853.
Tucson, Arizona, Psychical Aid Foundation, [c.1972]. [v], 82p., 14 plates, sd.

Lonniebealestreet
02-18-2008, 01:27 PM
Tony, Leroy is not wrong. Larry Geller wasn't there but was correctly told by someone who was there that Elvis had been reading the book he had given him. What you have read is also accurate...though only one of the two was the last book, obviously.

By the way, the content of the "psychic sex" book, the title of which escapes me, has been misrepresented in various books, The Death of Elvis among them, as raunchy when it in fact was nothing of the sort.

The King's Queen
02-18-2008, 02:00 PM
Tony, Leroy is not wrong. Larry Geller wasn't there but was correctly told by someone who was there that Elvis had been reading the book he had given him. What you have read is also accurate...though only one of the two was the last book, obviously.

By the way, the content of the "psychic sex" book, the title of which escapes me, has been misrepresented in various books, The Death of Elvis among them, as raunchy when it in fact was nothing of the sort.


:notworthy This is probably the best explanation on this that I have ever read. And I do believe you are 100% correct! Thanks...:D

john carpenter
02-18-2008, 02:25 PM
I read this..Elvis died on the toilet reading porn. You can't believe everything you read.I believe he was reading book on numerology.:cheers:

Tony Trout
02-18-2008, 02:25 PM
Tony, Leroy is not wrong. Larry Geller wasn't there but was correctly told by someone who was there that Elvis had been reading the book he had given him. What you have read is also accurate...though only one of the two was the last book, obviously.

By the way, the content of the "psychic sex" book, the title of which escapes me, has been misrepresented in various books, The Death of Elvis among them, as raunchy when it in fact was nothing of the sort.



That still leaves the question:

What book was Elvis actually reading on that fateful day?

(FWIW, I don't put a lot of stock in what "Geller The So-Called "Guru" says...)

Lonniebealestreet
02-18-2008, 04:08 PM
I am not basing anything on what Geller says, but he is not mistaken on this.

Elvis did read the other book as well that night.


BTW, thanks, Queen!

KPM
02-18-2008, 06:57 PM
I agree he probably read some of each of the books claimed to be the last book he was reading. He was reading, as he often did at night, IMO the title of the book is just another footnote of little consequence-since he read many books over his life of varying subjects.

4THEHEART
02-18-2008, 07:32 PM
btw I don't know or care about that book but,some far east teachings on using sexual energy for a higher and different experience (or learning not to waste that energy by traditional ways) exist and these has nothing to do with porn..c'mon those miserable people with their cheap and shallow minds, who tells a lot about Elvis and his life are no new news..

cameron
02-18-2008, 08:05 PM
btw I don't know or care about that book but,some far east teachings on using sexual energy for a higher and different experience (or learning not to waste that energy by traditional ways) exist and these has nothing to do with porn..c'mon those miserable people with their cheap and shallow minds, who tells a lot about Elvis and his life are no new news..

I agree with you. Some minds are very shallow and cheap. Guess they don't think it's necessary to read a book or two.:P

Anyway, I coild care less either. Because of some insisting it wasn't in print; I had to go looking and I found it. It was printed in 1972.
Elvis probably read several books that morning.

The King's Queen
02-18-2008, 08:26 PM
btw I don't know or care about that book but,some far east teachings on using sexual energy for a higher and different experience (or learning not to waste that energy by traditional ways) exist and these has nothing to do with porn..c'mon those miserable people with their cheap and shallow minds, who tells a lot about Elvis and his life are no new news..


You are very correct! (y) And I agree with you...some of the people you are making reference to are indeed cheap and shallow. Such a shame that they have chosen to disclose so much personal stuff, and fill in the blanks with untruths, just to make a buck! Hope I don't have any so called 'friends' like that....(n) :blink:

REDLO
02-18-2008, 09:52 PM
Over The Years Each And Every "friend" Has His Own Story What Happened In That Bathroom That Night .
I Sometimes Wonder How Many Were In That Bathroom That Night ???
No One Knows What Happened Exactly ....and We Never Will !!
He Died Alone .

Tony Trout
02-18-2008, 10:43 PM
Over The Years Each And Every "friend" Has His Own Story What Happened In That Bathroom That Night .
I Sometimes Wonder How Many Were In That Bathroom That Night ???
No One Knows What Happened Exactly ....and We Never Will !!
He Died Alone .


I think you've just nailed it....

We're never gonna know exactly what happened that night....

Jungleroom76
02-18-2008, 11:05 PM
Over The Years Each And Every "friend" Has His Own Story What Happened In That Bathroom That Night .
I Sometimes Wonder How Many Were In That Bathroom That Night ???
No One Knows What Happened Exactly ....and We Never Will !!
He Died Alone .

PRECISELY REDLO!!! (y)

I mean, look how many different versions of the story we have gotten from Elvis' associates and friends over the years about the events that transpired from the time they found him until he was pronounced deceased at the hospital!

There is NO WAY we're ever going to know what happened during those sad final hours of Elvis' life. There are just always going to be conflicting stories about those final hours, just like there are conflicting stories about the cause of death. (Although if the official autopsy is released in the future, perhaps that will finally put those stories to rest once and for all! :hmm:)

TCB!
Mike

utmom2008
02-19-2008, 12:02 AM
No One Knows What Happened Exactly ....and We Never Will !!
He Died Alone .

This is so true! Yet, there are still people that want to tell us exactly what went down that morning. All we know for sure is he went into the bathroom and shut the door.......we will never know what transpired next.:blush::blink:

EP75
02-19-2008, 12:39 AM
According to Rick Stanley EP was reading a religious book at the time of his death called The Shroud Of Christ.Rick has told the story where EP and him got down on their knees upstairs in EP's bedroom on August 15 and both prayed and EP asked God back into his life and that was when Rick got born again and discovered God. EP then died just a few hours later. Rick talks about it in his book Touched By Two Kings.

Pornography was NEVER in EP's hands when they found him dead.(n)

EP75
02-19-2008, 12:45 AM
This is so true! Yet, there are still people that want to tell us exactly what went down that morning. All we know for sure is he went into the bathroom and shut the door.......we will never know what transpired next.:blush::blink:

Actually we already do. EP took his normal amount of "attack pack" which had 11 different doctor prescribed pills in it and then relaxed with the book I just mentioned. He was on the toilet (what an embarrassing way for him to go) when he suffered a cardiac arrhythmia attack. That is where the body locks up and can't move and you can't speak. Very painful according to doctors. Almost like being paralyzed from the neck down.

utmom2008
02-19-2008, 01:02 AM
Actually we already do. EP took his normal amount of "attack pack" which had 11 different doctor prescribed pills in it and then relaxed with the book I just mentioned. He was on the toilet (what an embarrassing way for him to go) when he suffered a cardiac arrhythmia attack. That is where the body locks up and can't move and you can't speak. Very painful according to doctors. Almost like being paralyzed from the neck down.
Yes....I know all of that. I'm talking about how the whole thing went down once in the bathroom. Like I said...he shut the door, and that was it. I have been with 2 different people that died with heart attacks, neither one was just like the other one. No one will ever know what happened in the bathroom.......NO ONE.

cameron
02-19-2008, 01:06 AM
For anyone that read their stories : the book was called.
http://www.catholic-library.org.uk/c...0&find=232.966

A scientific search for the face of Jesus.. ADAMS, Frank O..
Shelf: ADA. accession No: 28853.
Tucson, Arizona, Psychical Aid Foundation, [c.1972]. [v], 82p., 14 plates, sd.

For some reason, some said it was not pubkished by 1977.
I went looking and there it is...:blink:

cameron
02-19-2008, 01:08 AM
Yes....I know all of that. I'm talking about how the whole thing went down once in the bathroom. Like I said...he shut the door, and that was it. I have been with 2 different people that died with heart attacks, neither one was just like the other one. No one will ever know what happened in the bathroom.......NO ONE.

You're right, Roseanne. He died alone,so no one can ever really know. :'(

utmom2008
02-19-2008, 01:08 AM
when he suffered a cardiac arrhythmia attack. That is where the body locks up and can't move and you can't speak. Very painful according to doctors. Almost like being paralyzed from the neck down.

Actually....cardiac arrythmia is an "irregular heartbeat", something that every living being has at one time or another. Some people actually live a lifetime with it. I'm sure you are probably too young to remember the press conference that was held while the autopsy was STILL being done, but cardiac arrythmia was a new term for most of the general public. That eventually became kind of a joke...because everyone has it at one time or another. Thus began the cover-up.

utmom2008
02-19-2008, 01:11 AM
You're right, Roseanne. He died alone,so no one can ever really know. :'(
That's right Cameron. I have always thought it was extrememly sad that a man that was literally loved by millions had to die alone...face down in his own vomit. That's not anything I would ever wish for anyone.

Getlo
02-19-2008, 01:24 AM
As I said in another thread:


THE DEATH OF ELVIS by Thompson & Cole; one of many sources. Elvis was actually reading a magazine called Sex and Psychic Energy. According to Dan Warlick (Shelby County Medical Examiner in 1977), "It was sorta like a 'IF HER PISCES IS IN THIS POSITION, THEN YOUR CAPRICORN SHOULD BE HERE' type of publication...very hardcore by 1977 standards."

It certainly wasn't porn; I really don't know why they bothered switching it with a book on the Shroud of Turin.

It is also referenced in Guralnick's Careless Love, among others.

Personally, I'd rather trust these two references than other sources.

Tony Trout
02-19-2008, 01:31 AM
According to Rick Stanley EP was reading a religious book at the time of his death called The Shroud Of Christ.Rick has told the story where EP and him got down on their knees upstairs in EP's bedroom on August 15 and both prayed and EP asked God back into his life and that was when Rick got born again and discovered God. EP then died just a few hours later. Rick talks about it in his book Touched By Two Kings.

Pornography was NEVER in EP's hands when they found him dead.(n)


Wrong again. And FWIW, Ricky Stanley didn't become a born-again Christian until several months after Elvis died.


As I said in another thread:


Agreed, Getlo. I think that some fans just don't want to destroy the "Good ol' boy" image that they have of Elvis in their minds. To them, Elvis would never stoop so low to read porn....

EP75
02-19-2008, 01:33 AM
As I said in another thread:

This is not true at all. There was no such a magazine in EP's possession at the time of his death. How any fan can even claim that is beyond me. The book was a religious book. Not about sex or psychic sex.(n)(n)(n)(n)

EP75
02-19-2008, 01:37 AM
Wrong again. And FWIW, Ricky Stanley didn't become a born-again Christian until several months after Elvis died.




Agreed, Getlo. I think that some fans just don't want to destroy the "Good ol' boy" imagie that they have of Elvis in their minds. To them, Elvis would never stoop so low to read porn....

I have met Ricky and he has gone on record and told his story on TBN, Trinity Broadcasting Network. He's from my town of Huntsville. His girlfriend had a dream that Ricky got killed in an accident and wasn't saved and this led him to go to EP on August 15 and tell him about his girlfriend's dream. EP told him 'she's right, let's pray Ricky. So they did and Rick says EP asked Jesus back into his heart that night. Ricky quoted a scripture out of the Bible where it says any man who asks God into his heart as his savior even in his final hour shall live in the Kingdom of God for eternity. EP died that night and Rick strongly believes EP is in heaven because of that last chance he had to get straight.

Tony Trout
02-19-2008, 01:39 AM
This is not true at all. There was no such a magazine in EP's possession at the time of his death. How any fan can even claim that is beyond me. The book was a religious book. Not about sex or psychic sex.(n)(n)(n)(n)


That's exactly what I'm talkin' 'bout....^^

I still stand by what I said. Which was:





I think that some fans just don't want to destroy the "Good ol' boy" image that they have of Elvis in their minds. To them, Elvis would never stoop so low to read porn....



EP75: Rick has his stories mixed up...I remember distinctly reading somewhere that Rick admitted that it was two months after Elvis's death that he became a Christian. Here's an interview I found with Rick where he mentioned that it was nearly two months after Elvis died that he became a Christian:


HG: Describe your conversion experience.

RS: I didn't anticipate it nor was I looking for it. It's something that God did. I didn't know that God could handle me. I always thought of God as being there and I even believed that Jesus is the Son of God because I had grown up in church and heard that all my life. So I didn't question that, but the idea that the Son of God could care enough to allow His spirit to inhabit me. It's like when someone would go see Elvis Presley, there would be a spirit of excitement. With Jesus Christ, we call it the Holy Spirit. He gripped my heart two months after Elvis died. It was the weirdest thing because all of a sudden I felt this real conviction in my heart and I realized that I had made a mess out of my life. I looked in the mirror one day and I thought I was going to get ill. I was so sick of myself and sin and the estrangement from God. So Robyn, now my wife, asked me to go to church, and I went. When I prayed and asked God to fulfill me and heal me, it happened. The best description that I can give it is warm waves of liquid. I was immersed in joy. Joy is the wine that God gives to the hearts of those that strive. I suddenly had meaning in all this chaos. It was like I had been looking through the end of a coke bottle for almost 24 years and suddenly things just became clear. That type of experience doesn't happen to everyone, but I have a theory. God knows that He will really have to make a strong impression on people who have assaulted their senses with drugs or alcohol so he gives them a high that will follow them the rest of their lives, and I believe that.



Anyway, this ain't about Ricky so...let's get back on topic....

TotallyInsane
02-19-2008, 02:08 AM
I have met Ricky and he has gone on record and told his story on TBN, Trinity Broadcasting Network. He's from my town of Huntsville. His girlfriend had a dream that Ricky got killed in an accident and wasn't saved and this led him to go to EP on August 15 and tell him about his girlfriend's dream. EP told him 'she's right, let's pray Ricky. So they did and Rick says EP asked Jesus back into his heart that night. Ricky quoted a scripture out of the Bible where it says any man who asks God into his heart as his savior even in his final hour shall live in the Kingdom of God for eternity. EP died that night and Rick strongly believes EP is in heaven because of that last chance he had to get straight.

I've met Ricky too starting back in the late 70's. It's a shame he can't remember which stories he's told over the years. Ricky was stoned out of his head the night Elvis died - wonder if he remembers telling that story?

Tony Trout
02-19-2008, 02:51 AM
Ricky was stoned out of his head the night Elvis died - wonder if he remembers telling that story?


I doubt it....

utmom2008
02-19-2008, 03:10 AM
This is not true at all. There was no such a magazine in EP's possession at the time of his death. How any fan can even claim that is beyond me. The book was a religious book. Not about sex or psychic sex.(n)(n)(n)(n)
Good Lord.....where have you been all these years? That story is old news these days....;)

utmom2008
02-19-2008, 03:15 AM
How any fan can even claim that is beyond me. The book was a religious book. Not about sex or psychic sex.(n)(n)(n)(n)

How any fan can claim that???? It's really pretty easy since it was written about in one of the more reputable books to ever come out on Elvis. I take it you haven't read the book?? I put more stock in what my cat and dog have to say than what Ricky Stanley has to say. He was the ultimate 70's pot-head, among other things.;);)

Lonniebealestreet
02-19-2008, 02:13 PM
My goodness.

Let me be very clear: there were in fact two different books, both of which were read that night. One was not made up because it was more palatable for Elvis' fans to deal with, or less damaging to his image. This is not a matter of fabrication....just two different books, plain and simple. He started with one in bed, and switched to the other in the bathroom. I assure you they are both very real.

Naturally some would prefer to focus on one because it was more sensational, and do a bad job of describing it at that. Forget porn or "hardcore" in the least...which is not to say the guy was above that. It just has nothing to do with the reading material from his final night.

I don't believe the above because it makes me feel better.

And you can take anything and everything the Stanleys have ever said about Elvis, print it out, put it in a folder and if you walk within 100 yards of any church or house of worship, I swear to you it will self-combust.

TotallyInsane
02-19-2008, 02:23 PM
My goodness.

Let me be very clear: there were in fact two different books, both of which were read that night. One was not made up because it was more palatable for Elvis' fans to deal with, or less damaging to his image. This is not a matter of fabrication....just two different books, plain and simple. He started with one in bed, and switched to the other in the bathroom. I assure you they are both very real.

Naturally some would prefer to focus on one because it was more sensational, and do a bad job of describing it at that. Forget porn or "hardcore" in the least...which is not to say the guy was above that. It just has nothing to do with the reading material from his final night.

I don't believe the above because it makes me feel better.

And you can take anything and everything the Stanleys have ever said about Elvis, print it out, put it in a folder and if you walk within 100 yards of any church or house of worship, I swear to you it will self-combust.

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

cameron
02-19-2008, 02:28 PM
My goodness.

Let me be very clear: there were in fact two different books, both of which were read that night. One was not made up because it was more palatable for Elvis' fans to deal with, or less damaging to his image. This is not a matter of fabrication....just two different books, plain and simple. He started with one in bed, and switched to the other in the bathroom. I assure you they are both very real.

Naturally some would prefer to focus on one because it was more sensational, and do a bad job of describing it at that. Forget porn or "hardcore" in the least...which is not to say the guy was above that. It just has nothing to do with the reading material from his final night.

I don't believe the above because it makes me feel better.

And you can take anything and everything the Stanleys have ever said about Elvis, print it out, put it in a folder and if you walk within 100 yards of any church or house of worship, I swear to you it will self-combust.

Well said and you're funny too !! :P:lmfao:

Diane
02-19-2008, 02:32 PM
I agree 100% with you Lonnie! All the Stanley boys had a big drug problem and as far as I've been told, Billy is still having big problems. We never hear much of him. As far as Ricky is concerned, it boggled my mind when I read he had become a minister???? It's a wonder to me he can even enter a church without self-combusting.:) David may be the straightest of the bunch but I wouldn't put stock in anything he had to say either and wouldn't be surprised if I learned he was also still a user. Is David a minister too? Not sure on that one....total hypocrisy!

I really don't care what Elvis was reading. It seems to me to be very insignificant compared to all the mystery surrounding his death. All of this could have been avoided had the ones who really had been around at the time (Joe etc.) had just told the truth in the first place. Any true fan could have accepted it.

Diane

KPM
02-19-2008, 06:10 PM
Yes....I know all of that. I'm talking about how the whole thing went down once in the bathroom. Like I said...he shut the door, and that was it. I have been with 2 different people that died with heart attacks, neither one was just like the other one. No one will ever know what happened in the bathroom.......NO ONE.
When my grandfather had his 1st heart attack he told us he was having it-sat at the kitchen table and finished his cigar. Then he told us to drive him to the hospital. But when he had the one that killed him 8 years later-(sitting at the same table with a cigar in his hand) he made a horrible face, grabbed his chest, tried to stand and fell forward-dead. Heart attacks are, indeed, very different.

4THEHEART
02-19-2008, 06:52 PM
Tony, it's really impressive how you are sure and know every specific details about Elvis's last minutes and you are so keen about the book being porn( while this has no importance comparing the death of man)then again it seems important for you..I do wonder what's behind of this interest?? what are you trying to say or make people think of..as Diane said ,I don't even feel that his death was a closed case,so why bother a book or magazine ,whatever it was..besides,it is so ridiculous for any of us to speak so certain about that moment..if we were there,so why didn't we help him??:hmm:

REDLO
02-19-2008, 09:33 PM
And Again One Person More That Was In The Bathroom With Elvis !!

Maybe He Was Reading The Donald Duck ....so What !!

The Man Is Dead , And He Died Alone

Tony Trout
02-19-2008, 09:39 PM
Tony, it's really impressive how you are sure and know every specific details about Elvis's last minutes and you are so keen about the book being porn( while this has no importance comparing the death of man)then again it seems important for you..I do wonder what's behind of this interest?? what are you trying to say or make people think of..as Diane said ,I don't even feel that his death was a closed case,so why bother a book or magazine ,whatever it was..besides,it is so ridiculous for any of us to speak so certain about that moment..if we were there,so why didn't we help him??:hmm:


The book wasn't **** (my edit) in the "normal" sense of the word. As has been stated earlier, he may have read both books...we'll never know because only one person was in that bathroom that morning--Elvis himself.

KPM
02-19-2008, 09:55 PM
That's right Cameron. I have always thought it was extrememly sad that a man that was literally loved by millions had to die alone...face down in his own vomit. That's not anything I would ever wish for anyone.

Face down in a small amount of vomit. He did not aspirate any vomit into his lungs which would constitute a large amount of vomit. But it seems we are drifting off topic.

utmom2008
02-19-2008, 09:56 PM
The book wasn't **** (my edit) in the "normal" sense of the word. As has been stated earlier, he may have read both books...we'll never know because only one person was in that bathroom that morning--Elvis himself.
If I were to die in the bathroom everyone can spend the next 30 years debating over what I was reading, was she reading "Sports Illustrated" or was it "People"? :lol: They are both in there..along with Vogue and a High School coaching magazine! Everyone can have a field day arguing over which one I was reading! ;);)

utmom2008
02-19-2008, 09:58 PM
Face down in a small amount of vomit. He did not aspirate any vomit into his lungs which would constitute a large amount of vomit. But it seems we are drifting off topic.
Yes, I know it was a small amount, and had been cleaned up by the time Dan Warlick got there to the house. Still a very sad way to die..IMO. What is it about a heart attack that causes the person to vomit?

KPM
02-19-2008, 10:49 PM
Yes, I know it was a small amount, and had been cleaned up by the time Dan Warlick got there to the house. Still a very sad way to die..IMO. What is it about a heart attack that causes the person to vomit?
I can only go by what I read, and many people get nauseous and or vomit during a heart attack. My uncle became sick to his stomach right before he had a non-fatal heart attack(but did not vomit) My grandfather said he just felt a huge pressure on his chest on his first heart attack. Symptoms are so different from one person to another.
What Are The Symptoms Of A Heart Attack?

Heart attacks occur most frequently between 6 and 10 a.m. This may be due to

Higher amounts of the hormone epinephrine (adrenaline) in blood in early morning

An increased systolic blood pressure

Increased blood thickness or "stickiness"


Most individuals experience symptoms with a heart attack. In fact, about two-thirds of people experience symptoms beginning in days to weeks before the heart attack, including

Vague chest discomfort

Fatigue

Nausea and/or vomiting

Malaise (a feeling of general discomfort or uneasiness)

Shortness of breath

Weakness

PS-from what I saw of my Grandpas fatal attack-I can guarantee if that type of pain is involved I would probably vomit.:blush:

Jungleroom76
02-19-2008, 11:07 PM
And you can take anything and everything the Stanleys have ever said about Elvis, print it out, put it in a folder and if you walk within 100 yards of any church or house of worship, I swear to you it will self-combust.

REALLY??? :hmm:

And I am assuming because you have made such a statement that you have actually TESTED this theory?? :lol:

TCB!
Mike

EP75
02-19-2008, 11:19 PM
I have a question-Why are some here talking about EP's vomit and the "rumor" that he had a pron magazine in his hands when found? Mary Jenkins once said that she cleared off the counter in his bathroom before the police came and threw away a newspaper that was in there. They do that whenever there's a chance for foul play or suicide. Not to say it was either. But the point is, she would have seen such a magazine if it were that and she has never said that she saw a porn magazine or any in there.:hmm:

Now can we just lock up this thread and end this discussion? It's disrespectful to the man and his memory not to mention his dignity. Talk about giving the man his dignity. The same ones that complained about that in the plans for Graceland are now talking about how much vomit was found.(n)(n)(n)

KPM
02-20-2008, 12:22 AM
I have a question-Why are some here talking about EP's vomit and the "rumor" that he had a pron magazine in his hands when found? Mary Jenkins once said that she cleared off the counter in his bathroom before the police came and threw away a newspaper that was in there. They do that whenever there's a chance for foul play or suicide. Not to say it was either. But the point is, she would have seen such a magazine if it were that and she has never said that she saw a porn magazine or any in there.:hmm:

Now can we just lock up this thread and end this discussion? It's disrespectful to the man and his memory not to mention his dignity. Talk about giving the man his dignity. The same ones that complained about that in the plans for Graceland are now talking about how much vomit was found.(n)(n)(n)
EP75 -I apologize if you were offended. I mentioned a small amount of vomit to point out it was not in significant quantity. People do regurgitate and Elvis was a real person. I also pointed out we were drifting off topic in my post.

TotallyInsane
02-20-2008, 12:30 AM
If I were to die in the bathroom everyone can spend the next 30 years debating over what I was reading, was she reading "Sports Illustrated" or was it "People"? :lol: They are both in there..along with Vogue and a High School coaching magazine! Everyone can have a field day arguing over which one I was reading! ;);)

Well, ya'll are gonna have a hard time figuring out what I was reading. I've got a ton of Home Theatre magazines and a book titled "I Love Him But"....
I surely hope my husband doesn't pass in there because his family would be devastated to hear that he may have been reading "I Love Him But"....:D

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 12:52 AM
I can only go by what I read, and many people get nauseous and or vomit during a heart attack.


You are correct. My aunt experienced the same thing right before she passed from a heart attack last July....

Getlo
02-20-2008, 01:35 AM
This is not true at all. There was no such a magazine in EP's possession at the time of his death. How any fan can even claim that is beyond me. The book was a religious book. Not about sex or psychic sex.(n)(n)(n)(n)

You need to read this and other threads again. The book/magazine was about sex and psychic energy. What is the difference between this and a book about the Shroud? So what if he was reading this? It is not - not in any way - pornography.

And if he was reading pornography when he died, then it should be brought out as the truth.

Getlo
02-20-2008, 01:42 AM
Tony, you are so keen about the book being porn

That's not what TT was saying! What he meant - forgive me for speaking on your behalf, TT - is that even if Elvis was reading porn, a lot of fans would want that swept under the carpet. The sex and psychic energy bok/magazine was not pornography!


I don't even feel that his death was a closed case

Then you have a major problem.

cameron
02-20-2008, 02:17 AM
I have tried to stay out of this thread .

IF Aunt Delta and Nancy Rooks went and cleaned up that bathroom, IMO you can bet they threw out any porn magazines etc. and Delta chased him all the way to the afterlife fussing at him !!
It wouldn't shock me IF Elvis read porn. It only shocks me that anyone was stupid enough to think it was important enough to report.

It was said that "The Scientific Study of the Face of Jesus " wasn''t in print to try and say he couldn't have been reading that. I found it; printed in 1972
It was just a part of the sensationalizm of the porn rumor ..

I don't give a darn what he was reading or not reading.
It's just none of our business !! Leave the man in peace and what little shred of dignity he has left .
Who cares ??

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:01 AM
That's not what TT was saying! What he meant - forgive me for speaking on your behalf, TT - is that even if Elvis was reading porn, a lot of fans would want that swept under the carpet.


Getlo,

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Thank you!!






I have tried to stay out of this thread .

IF Aunt Delta and Nancy Rooks went and cleaned up that bathroom, IMO you can bet they threw out any porn magazines etc. and Delta chased him all the way to the afterlife fussing at him !!



Now, that brings up another question:

If, as suggested, Aunt Delta and Nancy Rooks cleaned up the bedroom before the investigators and ME got there, would that not constitute breaking the law?

EP75
02-20-2008, 03:02 AM
I don't give a darn what he was reading or not reading.
It's just none of our business !! Leave the man in peace and what little shred of dignity he has left .
Who cares ??


:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

TotallyInsane
02-20-2008, 03:05 AM
Getlo,

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Thank you!!








Now, that brings up another question:

If, as suggested, Aunt Delta and Nancy Rooks cleaned up the bedroom before the investigators and ME got there, would that not constitute breaking the law?


Oh my - why weren't they prosecuted??? :D:D

TotallyInsane
02-20-2008, 03:07 AM
OK, I can't stand all this speculation and Elvis being accused of reading porn in the bathroom. I've never put this on a board before but he was reading a letter he got from me!! So, we can get over this now - it was just a clean and innocent letter from a teenager!!!:D

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:09 AM
Oh my - why weren't they prosecuted??? :D:D


I wonder that as well....I mean....did my question make any sense? Am I correct in my thinking that if they did clean up the bathroom before the investigators got there that they could have possibly been interfering with the investigation into the death and what actually happened??

cameron
02-20-2008, 03:12 AM
Oh my - why weren't they prosecuted??? :D:D

I've asked that question myself...in my own mind. :P
Supposedly they did clean it and it's in all kinds of books.
IF they were such great investigaors ; why didn't they arrest those 2 women?
Go figure .:blink:

TotallyInsane
02-20-2008, 03:12 AM
If it was a crime scene before the investigators there - we'll never know.

TotallyInsane
02-20-2008, 03:13 AM
The whole investigation was blotched from the word go in my opinion!!

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:19 AM
I've asked that question myself...in my own mind. :P
Supposedly they did clean it and it's in all kinds of books.
IF they were such great investigators ; why didn't they arrest those 2 women?


Your guess is as good as mine....




The whole investigation was blotched from the word go in my opinion!!

I'll definitely agree with you there, Gail! (y)


(Isn't it past your bedtime? I seem to recall reading in another thread that you're in bed by 8:30 p.m....*snicker*)

(just messin' with ya!)

cameron
02-20-2008, 03:22 AM
Now, that brings up another question:

If, as suggested, Aunt Delta and Nancy Rooks cleaned up the bedroom before the investigators and ME got there, would that not constitute breaking the law?


It's not suggested..it's stated in most every book I've read and a part of the story.How else would anything in the bathroom been cleaned, including the floor?
It's stated that it was cleaned after the MEs took the body away.

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:26 AM
It's not suggested..it's stated in most every book I've read and a part of the story.How else would anything in the bathroom been cleaned, including the floor?
It's stated that it was cleaned after the MEs took the body away.


Cameron,

Which book or books would this be? I've never ran across it...except that I did read a bit about the cleanup in "Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memhis Mafia".

Can you lead me to where the other places are that mention this?

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:31 AM
Cameron,

Which book or books would this be? I've never ran across it...except that I did read a bit about the cleanup in "Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memhis Mafia".

Can you lead me to where the other places are that mention this?
Tony...it's talked about in "The Death of Elvis", that's the first place I read about it.

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:33 AM
(Isn't it past your bedtime? I seem to recall reading in another thread that you're in bed by 8:30 p.m....*snicker*)

(just messin' with ya!)

You missed it by an hour...it's more like 9:30. Although, when I called her last night at 9:30 she was already in bed!:supriced::supriced::lol:

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:34 AM
Tony...it's talked about in "The Death of Elvis", that's the first place I read about it.


*goes to bookshelf to get out "The Death Of Elvis"*





You missed it by an hour...it's more like 9:30. Although, when I called her last night at 9:30 she was already in bed!:supriced::surpriced::lol:


LOL!

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:34 AM
The whole investigation was blotched from the word go in my opinion!!
Agreed! Who in the world performs an autopsy and pours the stomach contents down the sink?? :hmm:

EP75
02-20-2008, 03:36 AM
Cameron,

Which book or books would this be? I've never ran across it...except that I did read a bit about the cleanup in "Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memhis Mafia".

Can you lead me to where the other places are that mention this?

How would the mafia know? They weren't there or even worked for EP at the time of his death.:hmm::hmm::hmm:

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:36 AM
*goes to bookshelf to get out "The Death Of Elvis"*







LOL!
:D I'm sure this will offend at least one poster, but it includes info about Dan Warlick getting down on his hands and knees.......

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:37 AM
How would the mafia know? They weren't there or even worked for EP at the time of his death.:hmm::hmm::hmm:

WHAT?????????

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:39 AM
Agreed! Who in the world performs an autopsy and pours the stomach contents down the sink?? :hmm:


My guess is someone who doesn't know what they're doing....

The destroying of the stomach contents was a major boo-boo on the part of the medical technicians who were there.


I'm lovin' this discussion...but I'm getting sleepy...but I don't wanna go to bed!! :cursing::lol::P

EP75
02-20-2008, 03:41 AM
WHAT?????????

Did I studder? No I didn't.:mad:

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:41 AM
My guess is someone who doesn't know what they're doing....

The destroying of the stomach contents was a major boo-boo on the part of the medical technicians who were there.


I'm lovin' this discussion...but I'm getting sleepy...but I don't wanna go to bed!! :cursing::lol::P
Come on Tony! (y)(y) You can fight it off.....;);):lol:

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:42 AM
Did I studder? No I didn't.:mad:
Studder???? :lol: You must have meant stutter???

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:43 AM
How would the mafia know? They weren't there or even worked for EP at the time of his death.:hmm::hmm::hmm:


Um...Lamar was working "advance" in Portland, ME in preparation for the "tour that never was". Billy Smith was there in a trailer out behind Graceland. If you'll read the book, you'll find that Billy gives an account of what happened.

EP75
02-20-2008, 03:43 AM
My guess is someone who doesn't know what they're doing....

The destroying of the stomach contents was a major boo-boo on the part of the medical technicians who were there.


I'm lovin' this discussion...but I'm getting sleepy...but I don't wanna go to bed!! :cursing::lol::P


How can you "love" this discussion when it is about EP's sad ending and destroying what dignity he has left and still call yourself a fan?:hmm:(n)(n)(n)

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:44 AM
Did I studder? No I didn't.:mad:


Calm down. Read my reply above, please.


Come on Tony! (y)(y) You can fight it off.....;);):lol:


*tries to fight it off for a little while longer*......;);):lol:



How can you "love" this discussion when it is about EP's sad ending and destroying what dignity he has left and still call yourself a fan? :hmm:(n)(n)

How can I? It's because I choose to look at all sides of Elvis's life and death---and that includes the unsavory parts such as his final moments.

EP75
02-20-2008, 03:45 AM
Um...Lamar was working "advance" in Portland, ME in preparation for the "tour that never was". Billy Smith was there in a trailer out behind Graceland. If you'll read the book, you'll find that Billy gives an account of what happened.

Exactly. neither was even in the home when he passed or was found. Only Joe was.

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:45 AM
How can you "love" this discussion when it is about EP's sad ending and destroying what dignity he has left and still call yourself a fan?:hmm:(n)(n)(n)
For the very same reasons that you feel we need wax figures and chimpanzees running around...:lol:

EP75
02-20-2008, 03:46 AM
I'm not going to comment on this subject no longer. But I don't want to hear another poster say that I don't care for EP's dignity or integrity considering what some of you are doing right now by discussing his final moments which were in private and should be kept that way.

This obsession with his final days is just disturbing.(n)(n)(n)

cameron
02-20-2008, 03:46 AM
Sorry, Tony

I was away from the desk. Yes, The Death of Elvis ..
Can't remember if it was in Thompson and Coles book.
Just lately, Nancy Rooks book.

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:47 AM
Sorry, Tony

I was away from the desk. Yes, The Death of Elvis ..
Can't remember if it was in Thompson and Coles book.
Just lately, Nancy Rooks book.
Yes Cameron...it's in that book. I have read it also.

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:49 AM
I'm not going to comment on this subject no longer. But I don't want to hear another poster say that I don't care for EP's dignity or integrity considering what some of you are doing right now by discussing his final moments which were in private and should be kept that way.

This obsession with his final days is just disturbing.(n)(n)(n)
ok..... :cool:

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:51 AM
Exactly. neither was even in the home when he passed or was found. Only Joe was.


Yep, but Joe always tries to lie about what happened that day.....



For the very same reasons that you feel we need wax figures and chimpanzees running around...:lol:


LOL!




I'm not going to comment on this subject no longer. But I don't want to hear another poster say that I don't care for EP's dignity or integrity considering what some of you are doing right now by discussing his final moments which were in private and should be kept that way.

This obsession with his final days is just disturbing.(n)(n)(n)


*keeps mouth shut because if I say what I'm thinking I'll prolly get myself in trouble*




Oh, and Cameron? That's ok, hun. Thanks for looking up the info.

EP75
02-20-2008, 03:53 AM
For the very same reasons that you feel we need wax figures and chimpanzees running around...:lol:

I didn't see you have anything positive to say about the new graphics I posted and made like everyone else did. Oh that's right, you rather talk about his porn magazines and stomach being emptied into a sink instead. And yet you got the nerve to criticize me for wanting more people to take in EP and his legacy. Dignity. Yeah right.(n)(n)(n)

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:53 AM
*keeps mouth shut because if I say what I'm thinking I'll prolly get myself in trouble*



:lmfao::lmfao: I understand!(y) Try putting masking tape across your mouth!(y)

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:55 AM
:lmfao::lmfao: I understand!(y) Try putting masking tape across your mouth!(y)


*puts masking tape across my mouth and mumbles*

Darn, that doesn't seem to wanna work either.....:P:P

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:56 AM
I didn't see you have anything positive to say about the new graphics I posted and made like everyone else did. Oh that's right, you rather talk about his porn magazines

I thought you were leaving????;) Look again....not everyone has commented on your graphics.;);) And....look even more and you will see that I have said nothing about Elvis and his porn magazine.;) But...you know what?? If he was looking at it....it's his business, certainly not your place to jump up and join the Porn Police! :lmfao:

cameron
02-20-2008, 03:57 AM
This obsession with his final days is just disturbing.(n)(n)(n)

Al Strada was the first to the bathroom after Ginger.

I don't think anyone means to hurt Elvis in any way, discussing this.
It's just because so many different stories have been told. I'd just like the truth. I can handle it.
From all the lies has sprung the Elvis Lives stories, IMO.

EP75
02-20-2008, 03:57 AM
Moderators can we please LOCK this thread like the others that get locked for being out of hand?????? This is a disgrace to the memory and legacy fo EP. Imagine all the young viewers who just read and not post you read this thread and think of EP as a pervert or sexaholic. It is only doing more harm than good.(n)

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 03:57 AM
I thought you were leaving????;) Look again....not everyone has commented on your graphics.;);) And....look even more and you will see that I have said nothing about Elvis and his porn magazine.;) But...you know what?? If he was looking at it....it's his business, certainly not your place to jump up and join the Porn Police! :lmfao:


:lol:(y):lol:(y):lol:




Al Strada was the first to the bathroom after Ginger.

I don't think anyone means to hurt Elvis in any way, discussing this.
It's just because so many different stories have been told. I'd just like the truth. I can handle it.
From all the lies has sprung the Elvis Lives stories, IMO.


Agreed, Cameron! I'm off to bed, y'all! Carry on! G'night!!

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 03:57 AM
*puts masking tape across my mouth and mumbles*

Darn, that doesn't seem to wanna work either.....:P:P
:lol: It's because you can still mutter through it! :lol::D

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 04:00 AM
:lol: It's because you can still mutter through it! :lol::D




:lol::P:lol:

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 04:01 AM
. Imagine all the young viewers who just read and not post you read this thread and think of EP as a pervert or sexaholic. It is only doing more harm than good.(n)

Yes, I had rather the young fans think of Elvis and his perverted chimp running around the house. Now that's really normal.;);):lol:

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 04:03 AM
I don't think anyone means to hurt Elvis in any way, discussing this.
It's just because so many different stories have been told. I'd just like the truth. I can handle it.

Thank you Cameron! My sentiments exactly!(y)

cameron
02-20-2008, 04:04 AM
Moderators can we please LOCK this thread like the others that get locked for being out of hand?????? This is a disgrace to the memory and legacy fo EP. Imagine all the young viewers who just read and not post you read this thread and think of EP as a pervert or sexaholic. It is only doing more harm than good.(n)
I'm not looking for an arguement, but that story has been going around for many years about porn. Believe me, much worse has been said about him. :'(
The truth would help us all. especially Elvis.

I'm following Tony to bed....metaphysically; not physically.:P

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 04:04 AM
Yes, I had rather the young fans think of Elvis and his perverted chimp running around the house. Now that's really normal.;);):lol:



:lol::lol::lol::lol:


*Tony smacks himself upside the head and tells self: GO TO BED, YOU *****!!"*

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 04:17 AM
I'm not looking for an arguement, but that story has been going around for many years about porn. Believe me, much worse has been said about him. :'(
The truth would help us all. especially Elvis.

Agreed, Cameron!



I'm following Tony to bed....metaphysically; not physically.:P


ROTFLMAO!!! Goodnight, ya'll......

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 04:37 AM
Agreed, Cameron!





ROTFLMAO!!! Goodnight, ya'll......
Goodnight Tony....goodnight Cameron!

Lonniebealestreet
02-20-2008, 04:49 AM
There is nothing improper about the subject being discussed here so long as we stick to the topic. Keep opinions and feelings from other threads out of this one though, or we do have trouble.

There are plenty of mature/disturbing/unflattering/myth-shattering themes discussed on this forum as they relate to Elvis' life and as such they have a place here when addressed in an appropriate manner. If they turn you off simply do not participate. But being critical of other fans for their interest in certain aspects of Elvis' life or death or career or the handling of his estate today will not continue. Nothing further will be said along those lines by members who wish to remain members.

Back to the topic, I disagree that Joe always lies about what happened on 8/16. I know that initially he reported that Elvis died in his sleep in his bed (for which I respect him) and that some say he knocked out Elvis' teeth in an attempt to get an open airway, which he denies and which was not noted in the coroner's report if I recall correctly...There are some things about Joe that I don't care for personally but the fact is that his word about what happened there is about as reliable as it gets. I suppose his candor depends on his audience, since he does have to worry about sticking to the EPE-stamped version of everything in order to remain in their good graces. OK, maybe I should say that he knows about as much as anyone since he isn't always completely candid about things.

He would not be a proponent of the Magic (Single) Book Theory, by the way. ;)

Johnny
02-20-2008, 11:46 AM
There is nothing improper about the subject being discussed here so long as we stick to the topic.

Absolutely agree - and a rule should be added: "stand by your words!" Heck, I said I would stay out of any posts regarding Graceland (which, by the way - are in total violation of rule 1 in the Code of Conduct) - and I have ..sadly, some say they will stay out of topics, but then they don't :wallbash:


If they turn you off simply do not participate.

Exactly - Getlo's golden message should be put into the rules, "if you don't like a thread, stay out of it!", sadly thought I can see that rule being violated, just like rule nr 17.

But on topic, yepp many here are right that he read both things - and Billy Smith was the one that handed to him the non-"porn" (:lol:) book, as that's what he says in "Elvis and the Memphis Mafia" ..guess that "porn" book was tucked away in a good place in the bathroom :lmfao:

sweet pia
02-20-2008, 12:06 PM
Found a book with the title:

Bethards, Betty. SEX AND PSYCHIC ENERGY Beyond the Sexual Revolution. Novato, California: Inner Light Foundation, (1977.) First Edition


First printing, a trade paperback original, not issued in hardcover. Introduction by Cary E. McCarthy, Ph.D., illustrated by Leo August. The author believes that "sexual energy is your life force, and we have to learn how to direct it both for fulfillment in sexual love and pleasure and in awakening our higher psychic and intuitional abilities". 127 pp. Near fine. .

TotallyInsane
02-20-2008, 01:20 PM
Found a book with the title:

Bethards, Betty. SEX AND PSYCHIC ENERGY Beyond the Sexual Revolution. Novato, California: Inner Light Foundation, (1977.) First Edition


First printing, a trade paperback original, not issued in hardcover. Introduction by Cary E. McCarthy, Ph.D., illustrated by Leo August. The author believes that "sexual energy is your life force, and we have to learn how to direct it both for fulfillment in sexual love and pleasure and in awakening our higher psychic and intuitional abilities". 127 pp. Near fine. .

Maybe I need to get this book and wake up my psychic powers so I can get in touch with Elvis!!! :D:D

TotallyInsane
02-20-2008, 01:29 PM
Your guess is as good as mine....





I'll definitely agree with you there, Gail! (y)


(Isn't it past your bedtime? I seem to recall reading in another thread that you're in bed by 8:30 p.m....*snicker*)

(just messin' with ya!)


Hey,
Watch it DUDE!!! :D

TotallyInsane
02-20-2008, 01:32 PM
You missed it by an hour...it's more like 9:30. Although, when I called her last night at 9:30 she was already in bed!:supriced::supriced::lol:

No, actually Tony is right...my bedtime used to be 8:30 but since joining this board I've actually extended my bedtime.

I didn't know I was being watched though!! :)

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 01:47 PM
There is nothing improper about the subject being discussed here so long as we stick to the topic. Keep opinions and feelings from other threads out of this one though, or we do have trouble.

There are plenty of mature/disturbing/unflattering/myth-shattering themes discussed on this forum as they relate to Elvis' life and as such they have a place here when addressed in an appropriate manner. If they turn you off simply do not participate. But being critical of other fans for their interest in certain aspects of Elvis' life or death or career or the handling of his estate today will not continue. Nothing further will be said along those lines by members who wish to remain members.

Back to the topic, I disagree that Joe always lies about what happened on 8/16. I know that initially he reported that Elvis died in his sleep in his bed (for which I respect him) and that some say he knocked out Elvis' teeth in an attempt to get an open airway, which he denies and which was not noted in the coroner's report if I recall correctly...There are some things about Joe that I don't care for personally but the fact is that his word about what happened there is about as reliable as it gets. I suppose his candor depends on his audience, since he does have to worry about sticking to the EPE-stamped version of everything in order to remain in their good graces. OK, maybe I should say that he knows about as much as anyone since he isn't always completely candid about things.

He would not be a proponent of the Magic (Single) Book Theory, by the way. ;)


"The Single Book Theory"? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one!




Hey,
Watch it DUDE!!! :D


I'm innocent, I tell ya! *hee hee*



No, actually Tony is right...my bedtime used to be 8:30 but since joining this board I've actually extended my bedtime.

I didn't know I was being watched though!! :)


These boards sometimes do get very interesting! I hated to leave last night but I see I didn't miss much.

Anyway...back to the discussion at hand....

I wonder if Al Strada has ever said anything at all about the events of that day? After all, he was the first one up the stairs after Ginger alerted them and before Joe got there.....

4THEHEART
02-20-2008, 02:03 PM
Getlo.!. you should very well know that people with major problems can survive too,don't worry..;)

rhythmknights
02-20-2008, 03:27 PM
wow, what have i been missing here! better post before it gets locked down!!!
first, personally i don't care exactly what Elvis was reading before he died - i am intersted to know the types of stuff he enjoyed reading at any given time.
from sweet pia:
Found a book with the title:
Bethards, Betty. SEX AND PSYCHIC ENERGY Beyond the Sexual Revolution. Novato, California: Inner Light Foundation, (1977.) First Edition

First printing, a trade paperback original, not issued in hardcover. Introduction by Cary E. McCarthy, Ph.D., illustrated by Leo August. The author believes that "sexual energy is your life force, and we have to learn how to direct it both for fulfillment in sexual love and pleasure and in awakening our higher psychic and intuitional abilities". 127 pp. Near fine. . i think i need to add this to my reading list when i take that final psych class regarding human sexuality! [no really!] That totally sounds like Gellar. which book did Gellar give Presley?
let me stress here - this is my own opinion! - i have read so many different versions of what actually happened, what was in the 'library/bathroom' who found him, where he was found, etc. - we can only deduce what really happened from all these stories by using the same logic that cops use. i know some people have accepted a version, but since none of the people present managed to tell the same story [emphasis on story] so it's anybody's opinion.
personally, i like a thread with some meat, even though it tends to get into a barroom brawl. i draw the line at graphics, that thread, i'll stay away from! but let's be able to discuss these without trying to convert everyone to one stock opinion.

cameron
02-20-2008, 04:03 PM
This is the only time I know of Al Strada saying a word. When testifying at Dr Nicks court hearing.
{sorry, Tony made me go "off topic." ;)}
]Al Strada Testimony

Tapes 50 and 51, Trial Div-1, 9-30-81 78174 Nichopoulos

Witness information: 33 years old, graduate of University of LA, pre-med; worked P/T for Pacific Palisades Security firm; worked security at EP Trousdale estate, the Monovale estate; 1972 -1974, part-time; hired by EP directly in January 1974, full-time through 8/16/77. Strada (a defense witness) was subpoenaed, and thus was not testifying voluntarily.

--Strada stated that on one occasion in Palm Springs, a Las Vegas doctor flew in and visited with EP, then they went to Las Vegas and stayed with the physician at his home.

--EP was put on liquid diet and kept asleep; after 3-4 weeks, EP “looked like he was going to die,” and was “incoherent.” Strada and other aides carried EP to the plane, then flew to Memphis. Upon arrival in Memphis, EP was taken to Baptist Memorial Hospital on a stretcher


Here's a picture of Al Strada , a couple of years ago.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/alstrada-1.jpg

He was interviewed by Adam Muskiewicz,I'm still waiting to see that interview.

Diane
02-20-2008, 04:11 PM
That last paragraph is a prime example of how badly the treatment of Elvis by doctors was....liquid diet and kept asleep for 3/4 weeks?????? I'd be very interested to know just who this quack was!

Diane

Lonniebealestreet
02-20-2008, 04:49 PM
Yeah, that one was just bizarre. They kept him drugged so he would sleep a couple weeks or so of his life away (I don't think it actually went on for nearly on a month) and hopefully a bunch of pounds. Well, he would wake up for short periods apparently to drink and answer nature's calls, I guess, and they gave him some sort of fruit juice (might have been papaya?) and he drank the heck out of it as it was believed he could not gain weight from some juice. I would say back then they did not understand too well the effects of sugar, even naturally occurring sugars, in the diet. And reportedly he ended up at the end of this stint weighing more than he did at the beginning.

But it illustrates how wacky and extreme some of the diet trends were back then, as well as how image-conscious Elvis was and the measures he would go to -- short of reforming his eating habits in a healthy manner, of course -- to try and lose weight, as he no longer had the ability to take the pounds off so readily like he had done for the movies in the sixties. He cared very much about his appearance all the way to the end, though to look at him then some might assume he did not.

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 05:05 PM
That last paragraph is a prime example of how badly the treatment of Elvis by doctors was....liquid diet and kept asleep for 3/4 weeks?????? I'd be very interested to know just who this quack was!

Diane


The "quack" was the late Dr. Elias Ghanem, IIRC.....

cameron
02-20-2008, 05:09 PM
I have worked in the medical field most all of my life. I've taken issue on a lot of things that's been done; but I was truly shocked and disgusted when I read this .Keeping someone asleep to lose weight .??:cursing:
I'm afraid I might have been fired because I'd have reported them.

To me; none of that made sense . Why in the world could no one stop what they were doing {and I guess he allowed} to be done to his body??
I'll just never understand how any excuses would be "good enough." :blink:

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 05:27 PM
That last paragraph is a prime example of how badly the treatment of Elvis by doctors was....liquid diet and kept asleep for 3/4 weeks?????? I'd be very interested to know just who this quack was!

Diane
I think it's Dr. Elias Ghanem....the quack from Vegas. (n)

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 05:30 PM
And reportedly he ended up at the end of this stint weighing more than he did at the beginning.

He cared very much about his appearance all the way to the end, though to look at him then some might assume he did not.

Yes...I think he did as well. It had to be hard for him to go out and do the Feb. 77 tour looking the way he did.:'(

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 05:32 PM
No, actually Tony is right...my bedtime used to be 8:30 but since joining this board I've actually extended my bedtime.

OK...I admit it. I have been a terrible influence!:P(y)

Tony Trout
02-20-2008, 06:22 PM
I think it's Dr. Elias Ghanem....the quack from Vegas. (n)


Yes, it was.

KPM
02-20-2008, 06:46 PM
Yeah, that one was just bizarre. They kept him drugged so he would sleep a couple weeks or so of his life away (I don't think it actually went on for nearly on a month) and hopefully a bunch of pounds. Well, he would wake up for short periods apparently to drink and answer nature's calls, I guess, and they gave him some sort of fruit juice (might have been papaya?) and he drank the heck out of it as it was believed he could not gain weight from some juice. I would say back then they did not understand too well the effects of sugar, even naturally occurring sugars, in the diet. And reportedly he ended up at the end of this stint weighing more than he did at the beginning.

But it illustrates how wacky and extreme some of the diet trends were back then, as well as how image-conscious Elvis was and the measures he would go to -- short of reforming his eating habits in a healthy manner, of course -- to try and lose weight, as he no longer had the ability to take the pounds off so readily like he had done for the movies in the sixties. He cared very much about his appearance all the way to the end, though to look at him then some might assume he did not.
IMO it also shows how he would trust any treatment which a doctor told him was safe.
Also is Elvis and his actions toward diet and health much different from most people? You don't want the hard way, you want the easiest path to weight loss you can find. There must be a couple dozen new "miracle diets" a year which prey upon our wanting the easy way to a trim figure. Its a billion dollar business and many times now you don't have the slightest idea of what it will really do or any side effects -because most are considered a natural treatment and those are not regulated by the FDA. The problems come out later after a few people die or get extremely ill from the use of these products.

TotallyInsane
02-20-2008, 07:20 PM
I'm still looking for that easy way to shed the pounds without the sweat and still be able to eat all the fried food I want!!!

Lonniebealestreet
02-20-2008, 08:12 PM
But it illustrates how wacky and extreme some of the diet trends were back then, as well as how image-conscious Elvis was and the measures he would go to...

Also is Elvis and his actions toward diet and health much different from most people? You don't want the hard way, you want the easiest path to weight loss you can find. There must be a couple dozen new "miracle diets" a year which prey upon our wanting the easy way to a trim figure. Its a billion dollar business and many times now you don't have the slightest idea of what it will really do or any side effects...
You're absolutely right, KPM. I should have said "even back then" to acknowledge that things haven't changed much in that regard.

On the point of Elvis believing that anything a doctor would give him or do for him must be alright...I wrestle with that one because unless he was in pure denial he would have to consider the lengths he would go to to procure meds from those doctors. That being the case, it was obviously not just a matter of, "well, these doctors must think this is what's best for me" when he was pressuring them to cough up the goods in so many cases.

cameron
02-20-2008, 08:27 PM
On the point of Elvis believing that anything a doctor would give him or do for him must be alright...I wrestle with that one because unless he was in pure denial he would have to consider the lengths he would go to to procure meds from those doctors. That being the case, it was obviously not just a matter of, "well, these doctors must think this is what's best for me" when he was pressuring them to cough up the goods in so many cases.

Unfortunately, many think that way still today .Even after all the "educated public" ads, etc.I don't know the answer if education fails; except we need closer watch on the medical field. :hmm:

I don't take any "uppers" or "downers", but I can call my doctor and ask for a script when I'm ill ....and knowing me so long; he gives it to me.
It's easier for me but I'm not sure he should do that . ?? Hard to say.

utmom2008
02-20-2008, 08:41 PM
Unfortunately, many think that way still today .Even after all the "educated public" ads, etc.I don't know the answer if education fails; except we need closer watch on the medical field. :hmm:

So true Cameron. Look at the meds that Heath Ledger had in his system. They were ALL within the correct range, yet when combined together proved to be deadly.(n)

cameron
02-20-2008, 08:57 PM
So true Cameron. Look at the meds that Heath Ledger had in his system. They were ALL within the correct range, yet when combined together proved to be deadly.(n)
I thought it helped a lot when the Pharmacies got involved . They keep track of all a persons meds. {computer ;) } BUT, if you go to a different doctor or a different pharmacy....then it won't work. :doh:
I wish I knew the answer.

I've taken this way :offtopic: Forgive me . The darn book !!
Maybe it's better to be off for awhile. ;)

Lonniebealestreet
02-20-2008, 09:07 PM
Off the original topic but this current subject was a natural progression and does relate to Elvis in the context of the relationship he had with his doctors.

I had the same thing going with my allergist like what you described, cameron. I would self-diagnose a sinus infection or whatever and call and get a prescription, and he is a well-respected doctor. Convenient, yes, but at the same time it didn't seem like I should have been able to do that. He was always too quick to give me antibiotics anyway, until it eventually got to the point where it felt like they were hardly helping. So I quit going to him and quit taking antibiotics for my sinus infections. All in all, he never did too much to get my congestion issues under control that well either. Here, try some of this, I'll give you prescriptions for this and that...It's like he never had a good handle on it and kept wanting me to just try new meds, thinking eventually he'd get it right. Doctors definitely do not always know best. Ask ten different doctors for an opinion and you just may get ten different ones.

Sorry to continue the digression but it's mostly all good.

KPM
02-21-2008, 05:16 PM
You're absolutely right, KPM. I should have said "even back then" to acknowledge that things haven't changed much in that regard.

On the point of Elvis believing that anything a doctor would give him or do for him must be alright...I wrestle with that one because unless he was in pure denial he would have to consider the lengths he would go to to procure meds from those doctors. That being the case, it was obviously not just a matter of, "well, these doctors must think this is what's best for me" when he was pressuring them to cough up the goods in so many cases.
Well I see your point. But I think he believed he needed anything he was trying to get, he would see something or hear about something which fit the treatment for some illness he felt he had (real or imagined, physical or mental) and would want that drug. The idea it could not be harmful from a doctor- I think was his crutch-which gave him permission in his mind to try and procure whatever he thought he needed. But its very debateable. ;)

Lonniebealestreet
02-21-2008, 05:36 PM
Indeed. I can appreciate that angle.

utmom2008
02-21-2008, 05:43 PM
The idea it could not be harmful from a doctor- I think was his crutch-which gave him permission in his mind to try and procure whatever he thought he needed. But its very debateable. ;)

I agree with you on this point KPM....:notworthy

Diane
02-21-2008, 05:46 PM
I agree with you too KPM. I think that was the main problem.

Diane

cameron
02-21-2008, 06:26 PM
I think what I'd like to know is : Was he in great , physical pain as some say he complained of? IF so, then most of us would probably do anything to stop or lessen the pain.
I've wondered if he really might have needed the surgery the doctors tried to get him to have ....and, if so ,why he would choose to not have it? :doh: :blink:

Lonniebealestreet
02-21-2008, 06:32 PM
The gastric bypass, you mean, cameron?

Some of you probably know they talked about that and he paid for Lamar to have it done. He got down to the lower end of the 100-pound rage, if I recall correctly, and eventually had it reversed because he got down to such an unhealthy weight and was not getting nutrients in his body. This came to light when he was in a motorcycle wreck and broke some bones and from the X-rays they could see that his bones were starting to crack all over from malnutrition.

cameron
02-21-2008, 06:53 PM
The gastric bypass, you mean, cameron?

Some of you probably know they talked about that and he paid for Lamar to have it done. He got down to the lower end of the 100-pound rage, if I recall correctly, and eventually had it reversed because he got down to such an unhealthy weight and was not getting nutrients in his body. This came to light when he was in a motorcycle wreck and broke some bones and from the X-rays they could see that his bones were starting to crack all over from malnutrition.
Did we ever "get" the official name of what surgery they wanted him to have? I've heard; bowel resection and other things pertaining to his colon.

That gastric bypass would just cause weight loss.

Lonniebealestreet
02-21-2008, 07:08 PM
You're right, it would. I am talking about something else then as that may not have been something doctors wanted him to have. I know that they did not think the condition of his digestive system was too good, but I don't recall (if I ever knew) what they wanted him to have to take care of that.

KPM
02-21-2008, 09:35 PM
You're right, it would. I am talking about something else then as that may not have been something doctors wanted him to have. I know that they did not think the condition of his digestive system was too good, but I don't recall (if I ever knew) what they wanted him to have to take care of that.
Dr. Nick (in the book Elvis Close up)says they did talk to specialists about having part of his colon removed I think it was in 75 or early 76. But it was never done. His colon was already screwed up from the ganglionic fold he was born with- add the drug use, the horrid diet, and the long term reliance on laxatives- his colon was mess.

cameron
02-21-2008, 09:57 PM
Dr. Nick (in the book Elvis Close up)says they did talk to specialists about having part of his colon removed I think it was in 75 or early 76. But it was never done. His colon was already screwed up from the ganglionic fold he was born with- add the drug use, the horrid diet, and the long term reliance on laxatives- his colon was mess.

Since hearing about all that; I couldn't help wondering if he would have had to have a colostomy. I think that would be a big reason for him to refuse any surgery.

utmom2008
02-21-2008, 09:57 PM
Did we ever "get" the official name of what surgery they wanted him to have? I've heard; bowel resection and other things pertaining to his colon.

That gastric bypass would just cause weight loss.
I was wondering the same thing. You can't turn on the TV these days without ads for "gastric bypass" and how many lbs. people have lost because of it.

cameron
02-21-2008, 10:03 PM
I was wondering the same thing. You can't turn on the TV these days without ads for "gastric bypass" and how many lbs. people have lost because of it.

I worked with a doctor that had that done. Within months; he was very thin and he had been a chubby, jolly person. I've wondered how he got along after a few years.
Of course, they told him he had to have it or he'd die.
That's a pretty deperate measure , not to be taken lightly.

Getlo
02-23-2008, 02:52 AM
I don't give a darn what he was reading or not reading. It's just none of our business !! Leave the man in peace and what little shred of dignity he has left .
Who cares ??

I care, and so do millions of fans.

Why is a discussion of his reading material in any way robbing Elvis of his dignity? Reading material isn't like sexual peccadillos or drugs, now is it? What he was reading on his last night alive is just as important as what jumpsuit he wore on any given date, or which song was recorded when.

If the debate about what he was reading was between, say, War and Peace and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, people wouldn't be so uncomfortable.

Whatever he was reading, it was not porn. And, even if it was - even if he was reading Hustler magazine when he died! - so what?

Always - always - let the truth be told.

cameron
02-23-2008, 03:02 AM
I care, and so do millions of fans.

Why is a discussion of his reading material in any way robbing Elvis of his dignity? Reading material isn't like sexual peccadillos or drugs, now is it? What he was reading on his last night alive is just as important as what jumpsuit he wore on any given date, or which song was recorded when.

If the debate about what he was reading was between, say, War and Peace and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, people wouldn't be so uncomfortable.

Whatever he was reading, it was not porn. And, even if it was - even if he was reading Hustler magazine when he died! - so what?

Always - always - let the truth be told.

Maybe it's important to you , not me. I consider his death of much more importantance. Obviouly, someone thought the same as you and wanted everyone to be aware of it ...and spice it up a bit while they were at it. . :blink:

Getlo
02-23-2008, 03:09 AM
How can you "love" this discussion when it is about EP's sad ending and destroying what dignity he has left and still call yourself a fan?:hmm:(n)(n)(n)


I don't want to hear another poster say that I don't care for EP's dignity or integrity

Hmm. Seems a tad hypocritical to moi. ;) And if you don't like the subject ... you know the rest!


This is a disgrace to the memory and legacy fo EP. Imagine all the young viewers who just read and not post you read this thread and think of EP as a pervert or sexaholic. It is only doing more harm than good.(n)

Do you even read the threads to which you respond?!

No one is saying Sex and Psychic Energy was porn! How many times must this be stated until you understand? And even if it was porn, so what?

To the topic again, it is more likely Elvis was reading Sex and Psychic Energy when he died than the book on the Shroud, as it was a new release, and Elvis was always up to date in his reading. Or, both publications were there.

Presumably, during the cleanup, Delta or whomever immediately read the word "Sex", and hid the book/magazine.

Then they either a) replaced the "sex" magazine with the Shroud book or b) left the Shroud book there by itself. I doubt anyone would've taken the time to assess the merits of the "sex" publication during all the confusion.

Getlo
02-23-2008, 03:12 AM
Maybe it's important to you , not me.

Well, if Elvis' death-night reading material isn't important to you ...

... why are you even posting on this thread???!

It just boggles the mind; it really does. ;)

cameron
02-23-2008, 03:42 AM
Well, if Elvis' death-night reading material isn't important to you ...

... why are you even posting on this thread???!
It just boggles the mind; it really does. ;)

Because of misconceptions by people that refuse to look up the truth.
Besides, it's wonderful getting shouted at by you again. NOT !! :P ;)
:

http://www.catholic-library.org.uk/c...0&find=232.966

A scientific search for the face of Jesus.. ADAMS, Frank O..
Shelf: ADA. accession No: 28853.
Tucson, Arizona, Psychical Aid Foundation, [c.1972]. [v], 82p., 14 plates, sd.
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utmom2008
02-23-2008, 06:39 PM
Do you even read the threads to which you respond?!

No one is saying Sex and Psychic Energy was porn! How many times must this be stated until you understand? And even if it was porn, so what?

:supriced::supriced:I think there are several that consider themselves Captain of the Elvis Porn Police.:police:;)

john carpenter
03-07-2008, 01:03 AM
:hmm:If i offended anyone i appolgise(sp?) I read he was reading Chiros book of numbers, a book about numerology. That would make sence because Elvis was into that stuff. Remember the date 8- 16-1977= 2001. That was Elvis' opening in all his concerts (2001 a space Odyssey):king:

Getlo
03-07-2008, 11:52 AM
Remember the date 8- 16-1977= 2001. That was Elvis' opening in all his concerts (2001 a space Odyssey):king:

Which means nothing whatsoever. It is mere mathematical co-incidence.