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Suzan
07-31-2007, 07:24 PM
I wish they'd get their facts right, Priscilla didn't form EPE she just revamped it w/her people. Elvis' & Col. formed it in late 50's. Also Lisa owns Graceland but I don't know what they mean by Sillerman controls it....unless they are referring to the 100 yr. lease she signed for the tours to continue?

What do you guys think of Lisa doing that?

Elvis managers plan Graceland overhaul
By WOODY BAIRD, Associated Press Writer
42 minutes ago



MEMPHIS, Tenn. - The thousands of Elvis Presley fans descending on Memphis for the 30th anniversary of his death Aug. 16 won't see much sign of it, but plans are moving along for big-time changes at Graceland.

Managers of Presley's famous home want to overhaul its tourist complex ? with a new visitors center bigger than a football field, a convention hotel and high-tech museum displays that can give a new, digital life to the King himself.

All it will take to bring about those wonders is $250 million or so; the total reorganization of CKX Inc., the New York-based company that controls all things Elvis; and a publicly supported facelift for Graceland's struggling neighborhood.

The obstacles are far from small, but the people behind the plans, led by CKX Chairman Robert F.X. Sillerman, have a history of putting together big deals and making money for investors.

Sillerman, a multimillionaire dealer in media and entertainment assets, took over Graceland in 2005 when he bought the rights to Elvis' name and image from daughter Lisa Marie, Presley's sole heir.

When Presley died, his finances were in sad shape. Led by his ex-wife Priscilla Presley, the estate formed Elvis Presley Enterprises, opened Graceland to the public and solidified the legal rights to make money on Elvis' name and image.

Last year, Graceland took in $27 million in revenue, and the overall Elvis business brings in more than $40 million a year. That made him the second-highest grossing dead celebrity in 2006, behind only Nirvana's Kurt Cobain, according to Forbes.

Lisa Marie Presley still owns her father's house and 15 percent of Elvis Presley Enterprises, but CKX controls Graceland and its sprawling complex of souvenir shops and memorabilia museums.

"As great as it is," Sillerman said after a recent visit to Graceland, "it can be so much better."

The big, white-columned house Presley bought in 1957 for just over $100,000 draws close to 600,000 visitors a year, and for a week around the anniversary of his death on Aug. 16, 1977, it attracts legions of his still-adoring fans.

Graceland's current visitors center, souvenir shops and museums were cobbled together by renovating a small strip mall across the street from what the Elvis faithful affectionately call "the mansion."

The new plans call for leveling all that and building a 80,000-square-foot visitors center designed from the ground up for handling big crowds and high-tech exhibits.

"To put that in perspective, that's about six or seven times the size of the mansion," Sillerman said.

The center will be equipped for the kind of technical wizardry that allowed singer Celine Dion to recently perform what appeared to be a live duet with Elvis on the "American Idol" TV show, which CKX also owns.

"People will actually think Elvis is there," Sillerman said. "It's going to be, 'Oh, wow,' I can tell you that."

For years, Elvis Presley Enterprises, now a CKX subsidiary, has been buying land for expansion and has put together 100-acres needed for the renovation, which would move the tourist center to the same side of Elvis Presley Boulevard as Graceland.

"We've continued all these years to be a major destination attraction with a busy, pretty unattractive street running right through the middle of it," said Jack Soden, EPE's top executive and a major player in opening Graceland to the public in 1982.

Graceland's 128-room Heartbreak Hotel, also on the wrong side of the four-lane street, is to be replaced by a convention hotel, on the better side, with up to 500 rooms.

No timeline for the expansion has been set, Soden said.

"But moving straight ahead, with every intention of keeping the ball moving, we're probably looking at something in the neighborhood of a three-year process," he said.

Top CKX managers, led by Sillerman, want to buy the company for $1.3 billion, at $13.75 a share plus stock equaling 25 percent of FX Luxury Realty, an affiliate with plans to develop hotels, casinos or other such projects with CKX.

Shareholders are expected to vote on the proposal perhaps in October, said Sillerman, the company's largest stockholder with 34 percent.

The plan is to take CKX private, with a small group of big-dollar investors including Sillerman and "American Idol" creator Simon Fuller, and continue its focus on intellectual property and entertainment content.

Fuller is chief executive of CKX subsidiary 19 Entertainment, the company's biggest revenue source and owner of the "American Idol" franchise. After the buyout, CKX would become 19X.

FX Luxury Realty, as FXLR, would remain public with a much broader shareholder base to develop real estate projects in Memphis, Las Vegas and elsewhere, including abroad.

CKX, which also owns the rights to former heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali's name and image, might have a better shot at other such deals as a private company, since celebrities are often reluctant to have their financial dealings made public, said Bear Stearns analyst Christopher Ensley.

Bear Stearns, which is not involved in the buyout, predicts a total cost, including expenses, of $1.5 billion, with $600 million in equity and $950 million in debt. CKX management is expected to provide $200 million with the rest coming from institutional investors.

With Sillerman and other CKX managers holding more than 45 percent of its shares, approval for the buyout is likely, with a closing perhaps by the end of the year, Ensley said.

"I looked at the transaction several different ways, and I thought the valuation was full and fair to investors," he said.

Sillerman's past success in putting together investment packages may help attract buyout backers, Ensley said.

In the 1990s, Sillerman helped put together a group of radio stations that sold for $2 billion, and he was a leading founder of a SFX Entertainment, a sports and live concert company that sold for $4 billion in 2000.

Graceland managers have been working on their expansion plans for more than a year, and Sillerman has come to Memphis to talk with city, county and state officials about their assistance.

CKX wants a "mutual cooperation agreement" with local government for major highway and utility improvements and renovation help for other businesses in the area, particularly along Elvis Presley Boulevard, a once vibrant commercial strip now dotted with used-car lots and empty buildings.

"We don't want to create an island," Soden said. "We want to be a catalyst for the right kind of growth and the right kind of revitalization of the commercial corridors."

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presley31
07-31-2007, 08:48 PM
Don't know enough to give a comment

EP75
07-31-2007, 09:37 PM
This news is music to my ears!!!!:D My friend Lakeisha told me what all was planned from her inside sources and apparently she was right on the ball with it all! The new visitor's center sounds AMAZING! Bigger than a football field?:supriced: Wow! And the new interactive museum attraction sounds similar to what Disney World and Epcot Center in Orlando both have which is STATE OF THE ART!!(y) I am so glad that they are tearing down the outdated rundown old looking plaza and going to build all state of the art facilities and on the same side of street as Graceland and next to it. I hope they have a restaurant there facing Graceland's side to have a view of the home just yards away. That would be so cool to have dinner and stare at Graceland while you eat.:notworthy

There is another story online from a Memphis news station about this news and they said that plans for the residents aren't known yet but many are just waiting for Bob Sillerman to come knocking on their door to buy their homes, that they would be willing to do so. One of the residents said that she heard that they were going to turn that entire neighborhood into a Disney type of place. Also Bob Sillerman has been buying up more land north of Graceland and recently paid $2.1 million for property, twice as much as it was worth.

I can't wait for these changes to be made and completed so that I can return to Memphis and this time with my girl and not have to worry about being mugged or approached by a hooker. Great times are around the corner indeed!:clap:

King_Creole
07-31-2007, 09:45 PM
No offense Suzan, but I'd much rather listen and enjoy my Elvis music and films than to be bothered with this crap ...

EP75
07-31-2007, 10:04 PM
No offense Suzan, but I'd much rather listen and enjoy my Elvis music and films than to be bothered with this crap ...

Are you crazy? This is an opportunity to raise EP to another level, bigger than he's ever been at before and you call it crap.:angry: EP deserves this and more. Finally he's getting the attention and respect that has long been overdue. Graceland has simply become a dump from across the street and that surrounding area has really gone down hill. The mansion aside is gorgeous and untouchable as far as I'm concerned. No home can rival it. That's why this news isn't just exciting but extremely important to the future of Graceland and the legacy. Without these plans, Graceland doesn't survive longevity much longer. that's why it IS important to make these changes to broaden the horizon and bring in younger and newer fans.

Let me ask you this, and all of you who think it's crap too or not important? What would you say if EPE didn't have Bob Sillerman calling the shots, financing these plans, and putting EP back on TV as he is now doing? What would you say if no one cared as he does and just let EP die out with time? Would you still think these plans were crap? No you wouldn't. Your perspective would be much different then.

Believe it or not but the music won't last forever. But the image, the legacy, the memory and the phenomenon will, as long as someone like Bob Sillerman is in charge. We should all THANK him for what he has already done in such a short time.

Jumpsuit Junkie
07-31-2007, 10:25 PM
No offense Suzan, but I'd much rather listen and enjoy my Elvis music and films than to be bothered with this crap ...

Why would you even make a comment such as this?



Believe it or not but the music won't last forever. But the image, the legacy, the memory and the phenomenon will, as long as someone like Bob Sillerman is in charge. We should all THANK him for what he has already done in such a short time.

This is so true...... Priscilla and LMP have run out of Ideas and need an injection of new plans to bring Elvis into the new millennium. The fact someone of Sillermans calibre is willing to take this project on is exciting. Like it or not Elvis is a commodity and as such needs to be managed by someone willing to make bigger, bolder plans and be willing to inject capitol and not use it as a soul income and career as Priscilla has for many years.

Some may not like this commercialisation as a way forward but lets face it Parker did it for years!

Suzan
08-01-2007, 02:27 AM
I don't know...I've mixed emotions and my sources telling me same thing as this article...but not like definite plans as to how and what they are going to do exactly.
No offense to anyone, but I think EPE/Memphis made that area a dump, they could have made it so much better, when Elvis was there, yes there was a stip mall across the street, HOWEVER, there were also trees, etc...next to it on the land Elvis owned, whereas now it's souvenir shops and airplane's and museums, etc...they could have made it fancier but they wanted more money in their pocket and now that they've found Sillerman who's worth billions and billions and isn't afraid to invest, all of a sudden it's a major thing for them, when it should have been a priorotity the whole time. 25 yrs. is a while to get ur act together.
EAP75..I see some of your points on other hand you sound like a "suit" or like someone who is being paid to post in Sillerman's favor...lol...b4 u go off on a business tangent I am aware of how business's run as my husband and I own a construction company and have for years, but there is such a thing as being NICE and owning a business. :D:D:D:D No offense meant by anything above it is just my opinion, just like everyone else has one.:):):):)
I don't think it's crap I'm sorry that you do...if that is the case why do u come to threads like this? Just curious. :D

EP75
08-01-2007, 03:19 AM
I don;t work for or am I a suit for Bob Sillerman. I just happen to be glad to see someone taking a serious interest into EP and his world and investing millions and millions of dollars to take it to another level that couldn't have been reached before. Susan, the problem with EPE is that they lack vision, leadership and creativity. They always have since they opened it in 1982. They are very cheap. But throughout the years, the thing they lacked the most was financial resources which they now have and have no excuses anymore. That is why NOW we are seeing them move forward to make Graceland and that surrounding area into a money melting pot for tourism. This isn't about EPE woke up and smelt the roses. This is about someone kicked EPE in the rear and showed them you have to spend money to make more money. FXS is the greatest thing that has or could have ever happened to EP since his death as far as I'm concerned.

rocknroll
08-01-2007, 04:15 AM
[QUOTE=EP75;124496]

Believe it or not but the music won't last forever. QUOTE]


I have been an Elvis fan and collector since the '60's, and in all those years, this has got to be the most ludicrous statement concerning Elvis I have ever heard. Unbelievable.

Suzan
08-01-2007, 07:15 AM
The music WILL LAST FOREVER...his humanity and the heart and soul of the man will live on forever!

I can't say I don't agree w/u to an extent EP75, except I don't think EPE lacked the money, they were making hand over fist, enough that Lisa's inheritance went from 5mil. (which for back then was not a bad sum contrary to how some make it sound like he was broke) to 500 mil. and Pris raking in the cash LONNNGGGGG after she left him to me is ludicrous...but anyway, point is this on my part...they COULD have done a lot more w/the estate if they had not wanted to line their own pockets more. :)

I don't know if Sillerman is the best thing that's happened to Elvis...I prefer as a long long long time fan to remember the man, not the "Mickey Mouse" figure he is becoming...Graceland was his HOME it was never meant as a "Disneyland".

Since I"m new on this forum...I mean no disrespect to anyone or anyone's view point, I appreciate and can see everyone's angle, I just don't agree with it all the time just like not evreryone will agree w/my viewpoint and that's ok. :)

P.S. Annie
08-01-2007, 08:43 AM
[quote=EP75;124496]

Believe it or not but the music won't last forever. QUOTE]


I have been an Elvis fan and collector since the '60's, and in all those years, this has got to be the most ludicrous statement concerning Elvis I have ever heard. Unbelievable.Have to agree with you rocknroll, Elvis is all about music of course also the man he was but in my opinion your cant see Elvis disconnected from his music. It all started with the music it always be about the music in basics.

Brian Quinn
08-01-2007, 09:34 AM
Bob Sillerman is the best thing to ever happen to the Elvis Estate. This news is fantastic. The icing on the cake would be if Sillerman could buy out Elvis' back catalogue from Sony BMG. They have run out of ideas and appear not to have the will to further the Elvis Legacy e.g. no record award upgrades or remix singles/albums etc.

Brian :D (y) :D

jak
08-01-2007, 10:04 AM
"Believe it or not but the music won't last forever."

Then there is no point in anything.His music is all that matters.It's why he was and is still important to so many people.Personally I think his music will last forever.Hopefully the changes at Graceland will be positive.Although I am one of those who liked it just fine when all you had were a few shops and you just walked up the driveway.Sometimes bigger isnt always better.Back then it was almost a mythical place.The commercialization has stripped much of that away for me.
Jak

Suzan
08-01-2007, 10:29 AM
Brian I agree about the music catalog. Now THAT would be fantastic. :D
I re-watched Elvis by the Presley's...and Lisa made it sound like it's up to her whether or not another remix is approved, she said something along the lines "nothing has come along that grabs me" or something like that...so I don't think it's up to BMG on that end but I don't know.:)

Dovey
08-01-2007, 11:46 AM
(y)(y) I agree with you 100% JaK, but we will always have his music and memories. Dovey ;)

jak
08-01-2007, 12:51 PM
(y)(y) I agree with you 100% JaK, but we will always have his music and memories. Dovey ;)

Youre right Dovey.I guess it's different for some of the newer fans who were not around when he was.Hopefully the changes will help draw them to Graceland and keep things going strong.I just hope things dont get to over the top if you know what I mean.
Jak

P.S. Annie
08-01-2007, 02:32 PM
You have said what I tried to say Jak. Thanks:D

Diane
08-01-2007, 02:54 PM
I agree with both Dovey and Jak. I do believe his music will live forever and your comment Jak about your fear about the renovations going over the top is my biggest fear too. Hopefully all will be done to enhance Graceland instead of overwhelming it.

Diane

P.S. Annie
08-01-2007, 02:57 PM
And I hope that they keep doing it, also when it maybe financially not so interesting anymore.... that is my biggest fear, no money.....no Elvis :'(

srj1967
08-01-2007, 04:29 PM
The so-called "long term" plans for the Graceland expansion will only be effective for the next 40 or 50 years or so.

In, say, 100 years, there is no way that Graceland will attract as many visitors as it does today. Elvis isn't really part of history yet (I mean, the sort of history you'd study at school) and there are millions of people still left on earth who have memories of him, his music and his death.

While Elvis and his music will never be forgotten, once the last person who has memories of 1977 and earlier disappears from the earth, things will inevitably change. Elvis will become like Beethoven or other great artists throughout time: still important, naturally, but no longer in the general public consciousness like he is today.

The music will one day run out (come on, you know it's true ... there can't be that much left in the RCA archives to last for another century!) and Elvis' place in the pantheon of people who have shaped history will naturally morph into something different than what it is today. Something still good, I'm sure.

All things must pass, as George Harrison said.

None of us, of course, will be around to see it though ...

jak
08-01-2007, 06:07 PM
"The music will one day run out (come on, you know it's true ... there can't be that much left in the RCA archives to last for another century!) "

Your statement is basically true at the present time.I believe though the music Elvis released while alive is what will bring him new fans and carry on his legacy.Graceland is just his house and although it's a special place for the fans, it's not what matters to me.For me it's always been his music.Everything esle is just secondary.
Jak

EP75
08-01-2007, 06:22 PM
EP's music is already fading. Even the sound of it is aging. Some of it is still fresh. But most of it, from the soundtracks, to the early years are fading with time. You don't even hear his music on radio at all anymore. Hell there aren't even any 50' or 60's station on radio anymore. The only place EP is played these days is through satellite radio. And only a small percentage of the American population actually owns a Sirius or XM system. The record company has truly ran out of ways and ideas to hook new fans. Just as Graceland was until Bob Sillerman came to the rescue. It is going to take someone like Sillerman to rescue EP's music catalog and revamp it. RCA has ruined EP's catalog by putting out countless and countless of useless releases. Even with the unreleased concert on the new set, it's still a useless release towards the mainstream. If anything, the joking and goofing off will only turn naysayers even more against EP. Wait till the media jumps on the new release and calls EP 'soft Vegas act". Because that is pretty much what they did to market this new single cd release. It's very soft in sound especially.

The image of EP is what sells today. Not the music. You can now go into a grocery store and see EP cutouts advertising the new Reese's cup banana flavored (which by the way is delicious) than you can the music in a music store without going to his section. Let's face it. The only people buying the current mainstream releases are fans. The MTV generation isn't.

The image, the icon, the phenomenon is what sells EP today and will for years to come. If the music ever does pick up to the level of 30 Number one Hits and reaches the top at half a million copies sold in its first week, then it'll be a remix or reworked album. The original music isn't selling except to the die hard fans. Now I know many older fans will complain about that last statement. But whatever. It is what it is and there's no changing it.


I do want to add something to what Brian Quinn mentioned about buying the catalog. You can bet that Bob Sillerman is already trying to find a way to get the catalog in his possession and collection or a large sum of it's royalty rights.(y)

Miss Clawdy
08-01-2007, 09:59 PM
I hope you don't mind srj, I've copied your post from the 'Tupelo house thread'....



As I explained in my thread re my recent trip there, the magic has gone for me. The area across from the mansion is overloaded with crap souvenirs - there is really nothing interesting available.

The tours are now impersonal (ie those stupid audio things you have to press to hear commentary) rather than a guide taking the time to explain things; the general approach from EPE / Sillerman etc is, IMO, now more about marketing rather than maintaining the spirit of the man or his music.

As I have said, Graceland will slowly be turned into Disneyland II. I have been twice now - for my 21st and 40th birthdays - and that will do me until I drop off the twig.

The general atmosphere there is no longer pleasant, at least not to me. It used to feel like a former home, now it just feels like an "attraction". In some respects, I felt like I was visiting a theme park, and the new ideas for the Graceland expansion will only make that feeling increase, IMO. Yes, the area certainly needs to be cleaned up, but a new luxury hotel? Not necessary.

It's difficult to explain, but that's how it was for me this past June.

.....because you've got that feeling even by now. It won't be about Elvis at all when the new 'Sillermanland' will be finished. :'(

'I just happen to be glad to see someone taking a serious interest into EP and his world......' by EP75

.....a serious interest in maximizing their profits :lol:

EP75
08-01-2007, 11:35 PM
I hope you don't mind srj, I've copied your post from the 'Tupelo house thread'....




.....because you've got that feeling even by now. It won't be about Elvis at all when the new 'Sillermanland' will be finished. :'(

'I just happen to be glad to see someone taking a serious interest into EP and his world......' by EP75

.....a serious interest in maximizing their profits :lol:

What is at Graceland NOW is crap. What is coming to Graceland (the hi-tech museum, the new visitor's center, the new conventional hotel, etc) is a blessing. You would think EP fans would want it to be bigger and better. Not seen as just some former home of a famous star. EP was no ordinary star. He was the biggest and brightest there will ever be. It's like one lady said on a news report, Elvis is King and he needs to have a bigger throne.

Some EP fans say that they are disappointed that it's seen as an attraction. Well hello, it's been that way for the past 25 years. Why complain now? EP is an attraction whether it's Memphis, Tupelo, LA or Las Vegas. He's an icon and a commodity also. I'll admit that Graceland is somewhat of a circus. But that's how it's always been. Besides Colonel Parker destroyed EP and turned him into a carnival act while he was still alive. The world already knew that. But I don't see EP fans blasting Parker for doing that. Bob Sillerman in my opinion is reestablishing what the Colonel brought down. Remodeling the fort. Recreating the past. And last but not least, rebuilding the image and the legacy for generations to come. Why EP fans question this and his vision is beyond me.:doh:

Suzan
08-02-2007, 02:49 AM
Last interview I heard from BMG was that they had soundboards that would keep them releasing "new" material for 80 yrs. or so...they just choose to, for whatever reason, re-package most of it.
I agree Jac and yes some of us that have memories of when he was alive, we have different feelings and emotions, then lets say, someone younger, to whom he's just an image on a screen, make sense? :):)
I sure hope they don't go over the top w/the expansion, Graceland should be as it is and not dwarfed by anything.:)

EP75
08-02-2007, 03:16 AM
Today, in this realistic world, everything old is getting a face lift of some sort. Take for instance Yankee Stadium. There are talks of plans to remodel and re-renovate the aging current historical one that Babe Ruth once played in. Yankee Stadium is the Graceland to major league sports. All historical attractions must upgrade in order to stay afloat and not lose financially. That includes Graceland and the area it's in. The location is a complete dump and ghetto now. The plans are to clean it up, revamp and revitalize that area to make it attractive to onlookers, passer buyers, and of course tourists who come daily. Building a new visitor's center and a hi-tech museum isn't what I would call "Disney" affect. Now if there were thrill rides and roller coasters then I would be concerned that it was becoming an amusement park. But there are no plans at all for that with the coming plans.

EP fans need to see the full clear picture here instead of criticizing FXS for his vision of a better and bigger Graceland. Sure it's about money. What isn't? It's not going to degrade or bring EP down or turn him into a Mickey Mouse cartoon character of entertainment. He's already been there done that anyhow. These new changes will do wonders that will introduce EP to a whole new generation through hi-tech attractions and interactive exhibits. Imagine seeing the Lisa Marie inside and not outdoors in the rain and cold and snow or out in the blistering summer heat.

Bottom line is this. Without the planned transformation then Graceland wouldn't survive another 10 years at the rate it was going. It's simple as that. Tourism is actually down yearly since 2002. And that has absolutely nothing to do with 911 or the terror threat. That's just EPE's excuse to save their own butts from public scrutiny and humiliation.

Suzan
08-02-2007, 04:32 AM
First of all, Graceland would still be where it is in 10yrs...it's 2nd only to the White House in visitors, and ALL tourism is down, has been since 9/11..and w/gas prices etc...it's been rough on tourism period.
And as for "Disney" effect, I was referring to the hawking of Elvis...another thing, Graceland is only part of EPE but seperate as well so when people see "changes to Graceland" they think "house" not the things surrounding it, the home itself is not undergoing any major changes it still belongs to Lisa as do his personal effects.
As for the airplane, that is on consignment or loan, I wonder how long that contract is for and if it will be renewed? Same w/the Jetstar.
And yes everything does go thru change, and yes older things need to be refurbished but I don't see that they are building a convention center right in the middle of the stadium or moving things right next to it...if that makes sense.
It's obvious EP75 that you for some reason are up Sillerman's butt..and that's ok, u have ur opinions I have mine...I am not trying to change your mind nor am I attacking your view point...that is what makes America great.:D:D
I just think that Elvis the MAN is being forgotten in Elvis the PRODUCT and that is a shame for he was a beautiful human being. Business is about money, sure, but at what cost to the legacy? When is enough enough?

And your comment about former home well lets not forget that it's also his FINAL RESTING PLACE and that if his immediate family.
Peace

EP75
08-02-2007, 05:29 AM
First of all, Graceland would still be where it is in 10yrs...it's 2nd only to the White House in visitors, and ALL tourism is down, has been since 9/11..and w/gas prices etc...it's been rough on tourism period.
And as for "Disney" effect, I was referring to the hawking of Elvis...another thing, Graceland is only part of EPE but seperate as well so when people see "changes to Graceland" they think "house" not the things surrounding it, the home itself is not undergoing any major changes it still belongs to Lisa as do his personal effects.
As for the airplane, that is on consignment or loan, I wonder how long that contract is for and if it will be renewed? Same w/the Jetstar.
And yes everything does go thru change, and yes older things need to be refurbished but I don't see that they are building a convention center right in the middle of the stadium or moving things right next to it...if that makes sense.
It's obvious EP75 that you for some reason are up Sillerman's butt..and that's ok, u have ur opinions I have mine...I am not trying to change your mind nor am I attacking your view point...that is what makes America great.:D:D
I just think that Elvis the MAN is being forgotten in Elvis the PRODUCT and that is a shame for he was a beautiful human being. Business is about money, sure, but at what cost to the legacy? When is enough enough?

And your comment about former home well lets not forget that it's also his FINAL RESTING PLACE and that if his immediate family.
Peace

Before I got to bed, I want to point out some things.

1)Graceland has been declining for years. Fans just don't want to admit it. It was in danger of closing or being sold at one point back in the late 90's due to concerns of financial problems. FXS is saving it from crashing as a business and making it bigger and better. Why can't the fans realize this?

2)Disney's tourism and attendance isn't down due to terror threats. In fact they reach new record highs last year. So why should Graceland's?

3)I was referring to Disney when I said I didn't see it being that way was due to what the fans are saying. Not what you said.

4)Gas prices are up yes, but not to record highs which does not have any impact on Graceland's attendance being down. Please stop making excuses for that as EPE and other have. It is irrelevant.

5)I'm not up Bob Sillerman's butt. I just happen to respect the man's brilliance and wonderful vision to better the image of my life long idol named Elvis Presley. He has something Parker and Soden combined never had. Respect for the man AND the music.

6)EPE owns the planes, both of them. They're not on any type of loan to the estate. They bought them back in 1984. It's the tour bus and jumpsuits and some of the cars that are on loan to the estate. But now they have the money backing to purchase those items that they currently don't own. Remember, they bought out the Elvis O Rama museum in Las Vegas. I'm assuming much of that will be on display in the near future at the new museum.

7)Once the changes have been made, the new hi-tech interactive visitor's center and museum and attraction is built and opened, then the image will be restored to its rightful place. It will once again be about the MAN.(y)

8)I will bet money that those die hards who are complaining about the changes will be the first ones in line when they open and will be praising them and Sillerman for his amazing transformation for their (and mine) hero and idol. You can count on that.

9)There won't be any convention center. Memphis already has one of the top convention centers in America with the Cook Convention Center in downtown. They are building a convention hotel that can hold conventions.

10)The new expansion will not be near the grave site. It will on the opposite side of the mansion to the far left. Why would this effect the grave? It won't.

Suzan
08-02-2007, 05:56 AM
LOL whatever to the first point.:D

And ummm recheck your facts, the planes ARE NOT owned by EPE...they are on loan/perm. display w/contract w/current owner's that's FACT...check it out. :D:D

The rest, whatever...I found amusing to read so thank you for that.:):):):):)

No brilliance needed w/Elvis...my dog could make money selling Elvis.:D:D And seems to me your not truly a "fan", otherwise you'd realize quite a few things.:D:D:D:D

Peace, nothing further to say to you or ur yarns. :D lol

EP75
08-02-2007, 02:40 PM
I'm a bigger fan than you think or give me credit for that's for sure. My father even met EP, at Graceland in the late 60's. I was raised on him. I just happen to not want to see him fade out or die out with time. That's why I along with many other younger fans welcome these changes with open arms.

As for the planes, I think YOU need to recheck your FACTS. Because you are wrong about this. Jack Soden has publicly stated on several occasions that they BOUGHT the planes from a private dealer in Florida in 1984 and had them relocated to Graceland afterwards. They even had to remove parts of the wings just so that they could get the plane towed down Elvis Presley Boulevard. I have this on video him making that statement. When you buy something, you own it. And another thing, why are you even questioning the planes ownership? They have been sitting at Graceland now for 23 years and have never left. They will be there another 23 plus years without leaving, except to be moved to the other side. Besides, EPE and FXS both understand how important the Lisa Marie plane is as a major attraction. They aren't going to let that get away. TRUST ME ON THAT.

And for all the other stuff, well all I am going to say to you and all of the other fans who aren't getting the picture clearly about this is that to each his and her own. Some of us want to see change for the better while other don't and want to see him stay nostalgic and die out with them. Not me. I have tried so hard to point out what was going to be happening and how it will only benefit and make EP stronger and bigger and better and much more popular with tourism in the public eye and all some fans can do is take it as degrading him or his legacy. I guess some are satisfied with the fat peanut butter and banana sandwich eating drug addict racist image that the media has created of him over the past 30 years, and those are the same fans I question their real loyalty to the man.(n)

srj1967
08-02-2007, 02:49 PM
Some EP fans say that they are disappointed that it's seen as an attraction. Well hello, it's been that way for the past 25 years.

No it has not.

By "attraction", I meant a type of theme park. And that is not what I want to see happen to Graceland, not that my opinion as one fan matters much.

There is no class there, no style. It's all about getting people though the gates and into the souvenir shops.

You mentioned Yankee Stadium in one of your other posts. In case you hadn't heard, this is closing soon (around 2011, I think) and it will be turned into a baseball musuem and perhaps a conference centre; then the Yankees will move into their new digs.

srj1967
08-02-2007, 02:53 PM
First of all, Graceland would still be where it is in 10yrs...it's 2nd only to the White House in visitors.

The White House no longer accepts visitors (and hasn't since 9/11) so maybe Graceland should be put on top of the list of most-visited US houses?

To get into the White House these days, US citizens have to write to their Congressman, get a reference and then do a private tour. The public can no longer rock up and go through there. I was there in July, and was hoping to go inside, but was declined. (n)

srj1967
08-02-2007, 02:55 PM
. FXS is saving it from crashing as a business and making it bigger and better. Why can't the fans realize this?

Bigger does not always mean better.

IMO, the "bigger" approach Sillerman's group is taking will be the eventual downfall of Graceland.

jak
08-02-2007, 02:56 PM
"And for all the other stuff, well all I am going to say to you and all of the other fans who aren't getting the picture clearly about this is that to each his and her own. Some of us want to see change for the better while other don't and want to see him stay nostalgic and die out with them. Not me. I have tried so hard to point out what was going to be happening and how it will only benefit and make EP stronger and bigger and better and much more popular with tourism in the public eye and all some fans can do is take it as degrading him or his legacy. I guess some are satisfied with the fat peanut butter and banana sandwich eating drug addict racist image that the media has created of him over the past 30 years, and those are the same fans I question their real loyalty to the man"

Youre being a little harsh on Elvis' fan base dont you think?The people you are reffering to are the ones that made his legacy what it is.Graceland is a very special place to many people and they are just naturally concerned.Maybe the people who need an enhanced experience to visit Graceland are the one's whose loyalty need questioning?Back in the day a trip to Graceland was a way to feel closer to Elvis and that was enough.Im all for cleaning up the area and improving the facilities so dont get me wrong.In the good old days you went to Graceland and you met with other fans from all over.It was like a brotherhood.In the future it sounds like you may go and mingle with everyday tourists just there to see the spectacle.Im only 42 but I do remember clearly when a visit to Graceland actually meant something special to the people who went.It wasnt just a vacation.That feeling has been lost though I guess for many.No matter what Sillerman spends he cant replace that.Im glad I got to experience it while it lasted.
Jak

EP75
08-02-2007, 03:03 PM
Bigger does not always mean better.

IMO, the "bigger" approach Sillerman's group is taking will be the eventual downfall of Graceland.


Please explain this last sentence to me. Because I can't see how on earth anyone can sit and say that. If anything FXS' approach will only be the beginning of something FANTASTIC that WILL survive another 20-40 years or longer. The last I heard, EP died 30 years ago. Meaning he isn't getting any younger. But these changes will make him get younger with time through modern day technology. And as for getting visitors through the gates and into souvenir shops. That's funny becuase I haven't hardly had much about that in any of the recent reports. Every has been about what was to come. Not how much money fans will spend.

EP75
08-02-2007, 03:09 PM
"And for all the other stuff, well all I am going to say to you and all of the other fans who aren't getting the picture clearly about this is that to each his and her own. Some of us want to see change for the better while other don't and want to see him stay nostalgic and die out with them. Not me. I have tried so hard to point out what was going to be happening and how it will only benefit and make EP stronger and bigger and better and much more popular with tourism in the public eye and all some fans can do is take it as degrading him or his legacy. I guess some are satisfied with the fat peanut butter and banana sandwich eating drug addict racist image that the media has created of him over the past 30 years, and those are the same fans I question their real loyalty to the man"

You're being a little harsh on Elvis' fan base don't you think?The people you are referring to are the ones that made his legacy what it is. Graceland is a very special place to many people and they are just naturally concerned.Maybe the people who need an enhanced experience to visit Graceland are the one's whose loyalty need questioning?Back in the day a trip to Graceland was a way to feel closer to Elvis and that was enough.Im all for cleaning up the area and improving the facilities so dont get me wrong.In the good old days you went to Graceland and you met with other fans from all over.It was like a brotherhood.In the future it sounds like you may go and mingle with everyday tourists just there to see the spectacle.Im only 42 but I do remember clearly when a visit to Graceland actually meant something special to the people who went.It wasnt just a vacation.That feeling has been lost though I guess for many.No matter what Sillerman spends he cant replace that.Im glad I got to experience it while it lasted.
Jak

I understand what you are saying. But a lot of those fans you referred to from back in the day are dying off daily. EP would have been 72 himself. As for the experience-I remember going in 1994 and was excited, but disappointed that there wasn't more to the plaza. I felt then like it could have been much better arranged and laid out. The same as FXS sees it today. I approach the vision as a fan but also as a non fan would see it too. So in this case, like it or not, feel it or not, CHANGE IS BETTER.(y)

srj1967
08-02-2007, 03:21 PM
. That's funny becuase I haven't hardly had much about that in any of the recent reports. Every has been about what was to come.

I've absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here, but my attitude to the expansions is a personal thing. Have you been to Graceland ... or Disneyland?

I, for one, would hate to see a luxury hotel go up across the road from the house, or an Elvis IMAX cinema, or an amusement park (a rumour, I suppose, but I wouldn't put it past them); or a huge restaurant complex; or an Elvis wax museum as someone on here suggested; and most of the ideas put forward so far don't grab me.

Graceland is, by celebrity standards, a small and dignified house (former home). IMO, the new expansion ideas are taking away all that dignity, and class and (no pun intended here), all of its grace. While the house itself will presumably never change, the areas surrounding the mansion should reflect that dignity, and not be a mini-Vegas type of thing. Sillerman's version of "bigger" seems to me to be over-the-top.

And as for getting people into the souvenir shops ... I'm assuming you haven't been there lately? You can't exit the planes, the jumpsuit exhibit, the Elvis After Dark exhibit etc witout going through the souvenir shops (all of which are the same, by the way, and sell mostly crap). It never used to be like that.

Also, with regards to the tickets ... you can no longer pick and choose what you want to see there. It's either the Platinum or the other tour. You can't, for example, just get a ticket to the house and the planes. You have to pay for extra stuff. And yes, I know that as a business they should be maximising their profits, but people should still be able to choose for themselves. Years ago, you could pick and choose what you saw.

EPE seems to have lost sight of the man is all I (and others on here) are saying. Yes, Elvis is a product these days ... but he shouldn't be treated as JUST a product.

The expansion plans so far, IMO, have no respect for him or his spirit. And after two separate visits to Graceland almost 20 years apart, and being a fan for over 35 years, I feel I am more than qualified to offer my own opinion.

Visiting Graceland these days feels like going on an amusement park ride ... soulless, a quick thrill, and with no lasting impact. It shouldn't be that way.

As for Graceland's downfall, I meant downfall as something beautiful, an American treasure that people the world over would want to see. Now, it's just a theme park, without the rides ... yet!

It is all about dignity, as I said. And the expansion ideas are undignified. That's as simply as I can express my opinion.

EP75
08-02-2007, 03:32 PM
I have been to both Graceland and Disney World and Epcot. As much as I love and admire EP, my idol, I was more impressed with Epcot more than I was Graceland. I was 22 at the time I saw Graceland and was only 13 at the time I saw Epcot. Shouldn't that be the other way around? Wouldn't a kid be more impressed with a theme park than a piece of history? Well that was what it did to me at that age.

Maybe the reason you, Susan, and a few others are so uptight about the changes are that you are not in the average age group that is now visiting Graceland and don't understand modern day technology or the good use of it. That's just my assumption. Most visitor's to Graceland today are not from his original era. It has been documented by media and by EPE that over half the tourism is people born AFTER 1977. meaning the MTV generation and young adults are who is buying tickets to see the mansion. not grandmas and grandpas as was the case years ago. No offense to the elderly here. Just that the visitor rates among youngsters is way up lately. But at the same time the average is down among all visitors. That's why these changes are important to keep them up for years to come.

srj1967
08-02-2007, 03:38 PM
Maybe the reason you, Susan, and a few others are so uptight about the changes are that you are not in the average age group that is now visiting Graceland and don't understand modern day technology or the good use of it.

Give me a friggin' break. :angry:

You're all of six years younger than me. I can assure you that, mainly due to my profession (internet journalism, with a focus on entertainment) that I have a good ... actually no ... bloody good understanding of what you call "modern technology".

I am all for modernism, so long as the dignity of the man remains, and a sense of the history of the place, the music and the man. And I agree the visitors' centre needs to be replaced. So long as it remains one storey and is in keeping with the general style and history of the area.

Miss Clawdy
08-02-2007, 03:53 PM
Youre being a little harsh on Elvis' fan base dont you think?The people you are reffering to are the ones that made his legacy what it is.Graceland is a very special place to many people and they are just naturally concerned.........Jak


I've absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here, but my attitude to the expansions is a personal thing. Have you been to Graceland ... or Disneyland?

I, for one, would hate to see a luxury hotel go up across the road from the house, or an Elvis IMAX cinema, or an amusement park (a rumour, I suppose, but I wouldn't put it past them); or a huge restaurant complex; or an Elvis wax museum as someone on here suggested; and most of the ideas put forward so far don't grab me........


Thank you Jak and srj, you found the right words....I am 42 as well and unfortunatelly I was not around in the old days, but I feel all the same.

Diane
08-02-2007, 03:55 PM
(y)(y)(y)(y) What I've been saying all along srj! Graceland should remain the focal point and the surroundings should be in keeping with it in style and size and not make it look like some poor lost little old mansion among a crowd of modern building.

Diane

Tony Trout
08-02-2007, 04:09 PM
I'm excited 'bout these new changes but someone made a quote along the lines of "Graceland will still be there in 10 years" and I don't know if I agree with this statement or not....nothing lasts forever...even the White House will disappear one day...the mansion was built in 1939.....that's almost 68 years ago....it won't be here forever....look at all the buildings associated with Elvis (the Market Square arena and others) that have been torn down in years past....I'm not saying they'll tear down Graceland one day but...it most definitely won't be here forever....so enjoy it while we can.....

srj1967
08-02-2007, 04:20 PM
...nothing lasts forever...


Well, if you want to get esoteric and nihilistic about it, the Sun will supernova in a million years or so. Then, the entire planet, every building, every human and everything humanity has ever accomplished will be swallowed up and lost forever.

Have a nice day now! :lol:

EP75
08-02-2007, 04:30 PM
Jesus will return before anything like that happens. Besides, back to EP-the bottom line is these change ARE going to happen and they are happening because of a change NEEDED to make the place more attractive for years to come. PERIOD.

And I agree with Tony. nothing lasts forever. In case most don;t know, Memphis has been told by scientists and studiers of the earth that a major earthquake WILL happen within the next 50 years and Memphis will be the hardest hit and that it could be anytime between now and then and that residents and businesses need to acquire earthquake insurance. All buildings now being built in Memphis are forced to have springs underneath them so that they don't collapse. This was all on the news.

Unfortunately this can't be done for Graceland. it will either crumble or be ruined by the flood. This is all sad to think of but it's eventually going to happen. That's why I want to see changes happen sooner than later or there may not be a Graceland around in the next 10 to 50 years.

But there's another scary fear. And that is tornadoes. Memphis lies in a dangerous storm front path that every year drops tornadoes down in the outskirts of that city. Could one fall in Whitehaven and destroy Graceland? It is always a serious possibility.

So in other words, Graceland could be here today and gone tomorrow. But they can always rebuild a museum to display his life. They could never rebuild Graceland.

srj1967
08-02-2007, 04:46 PM
Jesus will return before anything like that happens.




Please keep religion and your beliefs off this forum!

It has nothing to do with Elvis or this thread ... and is offensive to those of us who hold no religous belief.

EP75
08-02-2007, 06:35 PM
Please keep religion and your beliefs off this forum!

It has nothing to do with Elvis or this thread ... and is offensive to those of us who hold no religous belief.


Tell that to EP then because he wouldn't have liked what you just said.(n)

EP75
08-02-2007, 09:58 PM
Speaking of the transformation at Graceland-I was just at MTV.COM and saw this mixed in with their latest news. Nothing new. But still great to see none the less and especially coming from MTV!!:clap::clap::clap:(y)

"The managers of Graceland ? home to Elvis Presley ? are planning a $250 million overhaul, AP reports. The plans include a massive tourist complex larger than a football field, a convention hotel and a high-tech museum. ..."

Suzan
08-03-2007, 04:07 AM
srj I total agree w/all you've said. :D:D

EP75, so ur saying ur a bigger fan than anybody else here becuase ur dad met Elvis? ROF OMG get over yourself, please. :) And do keep religion out of it.
Really? Hmmm then somebody @ Graceland has their facts wrong. :)
and I'm aware what needed to be done when Plane brought thru the streets but thanks for the trip down memory lane. LOL ;)
Have a nice day.:D:D:D:D:D:D

EP75
08-03-2007, 04:37 AM
srj I total agree w/all you've said. :D:D

EP75, so ur saying ur a bigger fan than anybody else here becuase ur dad met Elvis? ROF OMG get over yourself, please. :) And do keep religion out of it.
Really? Hmmm then somebody @ Graceland has their facts wrong. :)
and I'm aware what needed to be done when Plane brought thru the streets but thanks for the trip down memory lane. LOL ;)
Have a nice day.:D:D:D:D:D:D

Susan, I am not a fan just because my dad met him. I was raised on EP. How does that make me full of myself? If anything you sounded jealous for some reason. But it is what it is. I never met him. I wished I had. As for the plane, then yes whoever told you about the plane needs to do some research then. LOL Because EPE DOES OWN THE PLANE. PERIOD!

And please don't tell me what what to do. Last I checked it was a FREE country.

rocknroll
08-03-2007, 04:50 AM
First, who is FXS?

Second, Elvis' original music draws new, young fans EVERY day.

Third, make this message board number three that EP 75 stirs the pot with no factual base and then gets his butt handed to him as a result.

Suzan
08-03-2007, 05:03 AM
ROFLMFAO OMG jealous of what? I'm sorry I don't know you but by ur posts I don't want to...fans like you are reason Elvis fans are made fun of.:( Jealous of what or whom? You? Oh please...roflmfao ummm NOT! Sorry to burst your bubble on that, you know you never quite know whom your "talking" to.:D
I will find where it says that they don't own it if I can locate and post for you and would you please post this interview where Soden says they do? :D Thanks. :)

I so agree rocknroll, I've been seeing this person do this and I'm new so that says a lot...maybe they are just bored and have nothing better to do? :D And I agree with you 100% It is Elvis' music that draws in, the heart of the man, etc...not anything else and to be fair EPE was doing well prior to Sillerman, so much so that Elvis' w/exception of last year AFTER Sillerman purchased the name/likeness, when Elvis fell to number 2 on the Forbes list of deceased celebs, he had been no. 1 earning 40+ million. :D:D:D:D So where this individual gets the notion that Graceland was going to fold is beyond me. lol
:D

Menwithbrokenhearts
08-03-2007, 06:51 AM
It's a mixed thing with me but I do like the idea of fixing up the Blvd. Someone said that EPE contributed to the downfall of EPB. But that is not the case. Memphis is responsible for that. Memphis is like a rotten apple only in the core. I grew up there and it has changed so much. It was once mostly beautiful and safe and that is pretty much true now only in the suburbs outside of Memphis (ie, Bartlett, Collierville, Germantown etc..) I for one, will feel much better about taking my daughter there (Who at Four wants to go so bad she can't stand it) when they clean it up. I was there last year and that area around and down the Blvd from Graceland is rough and dirty. All you have to do is drive around in most of Metro Memphis and it is the same, not just there. The City of Memphis has dropped the ball on that city. If anything, Elvis' tourist draw has helped the city, They have just mismanaged it with a bunch of self serving politicians running the city.They have cleaned up the Beale Street area and that is a blessing. Just 10 years ago it was extremely unsafe to wander off of Beale.

Anyway, I know that" the image is one thing and the man another" like Elvis says. He was ok while he was alive and the Colonel had all kinds of rediculous stuff with Elvis' name and image on it. He would be ok now I think. The real soul and heart of the man will always shine through all the other crap. No matter how rediculous it gets. It did before and will now. He had a genuiness that was and still is rare and unique in the entertainment world. Everytime I watch Entertainment Tonight, I can't believe how pathetic some of those people are. Do you think any of them would for a moment open up the gates of their property and sign autographs, or send drinks down on a hot day. Not for a minute! And not one of them were ever as big as Elvis. Their actions towards fans and the public is what has created this mass hysteria of paparazzi.

The music will live on because that is where his heart and soul was and besides it's so **************** good and I'm not talking just a few song but a huge amount of songs! So I disagree with that comment.
They might "Mickey Mouse " it too much sometimes marketing the Image and that I don't like, but The Col. did it , and all Elvis did was smile and write another check. But like JJ said , he is a commodity now just as he was then, and it needs to be handled. I think this company will do it well enough to carry Elvis on to new generations. If it's done right It might be kind of cool. Personally, most of the crap they have across the street now is tacky, and, believe it or not, that crap started popping up like crazy within days of Elvis' death. I remember the news reporting it. Made me want to go down there and tear it all down, and I was just 11 years old!

Suzan
08-03-2007, 07:25 AM
Well said on all points, but it was I think, different when he was alive...he was still seen as a human being and I think sight of that is lost sometimes in the name of profit. :D

And OMG are u ever right, the souvenirs were tacky on the day he died or couple days after and EPE claimed they bought it all out so that they could have "better quality" merchandise, well, like you said, it's still the same tacky stuff just now endorsed by the estate.:(

I think too yes the city had a lot to do with the situation but EPE could have also done more, like they are now, if they could move the TN courts to pass a law about heirs I'm sure they could have also made something happen w/the surrounding area. JMO :D




It's a mixed thing with me but I do like the idea of fixing up the Blvd. Someone said that EPE contributed to the downfall of EPB. But that is not the case. Memphis is responsible for that. Memphis is like a rotten apple only in the core. I grew up there and it has changed so much. It was once mostly beautiful and safe and that is pretty much true now only in the suburbs outside of Memphis (ie, Bartlett, Collierville, Germantown etc..) I for one, will feel much better about taking my daughter there (Who at Four wants to go so bad she can't stand it) when they clean it up. I was there last year and that area around and down the Blvd from Graceland is rough and dirty. All you have to do is drive around in most of Metro Memphis and it is the same, not just there. The City of Memphis has dropped the ball on that city. If anything, Elvis' tourist draw has helped the city, They have just mismanaged it with a bunch of self serving politicians running the city.They have cleaned up the Beale Street area and that is a blessing. Just 10 years ago it was extremely unsafe to wander off of Beale.

Anyway, I know that" the image is one thing and the man another" like Elvis says. He was ok while he was alive and the Colonel had all kinds of rediculous stuff with Elvis' name and image on it. He would be ok now I think. The real soul and heart of the man will always shine through all the other crap. No matter how rediculous it gets. It did before and will now. He had a genuiness that was and still is rare and unique in the entertainment world. Everytime I watch Entertainment Tonight, I can't believe how pathetic some of those people are. Do you think any of them would for a moment open up the gates of their property and sign autographs, or send drinks down on a hot day. Not for a minute! And not one of them were ever as big as Elvis. Their actions towards fans and the public is what has created this mass hysteria of paparazzi.

The music will live on because that is where his heart and soul was and besides it's so **************** good and I'm not talking just a few song but a huge amount of songs! So I disagree with that comment.
They might "Mickey Mouse " it too much sometimes marketing the Image and that I don't like, but The Col. did it , and all Elvis did was smile and write another check. But like JJ said , he is a commodity now just as he was then, and it needs to be handled. I think this company will do it well enough to carry Elvis on to new generations. If it's done right It might be kind of cool. Personally, most of the crap they have across the street now is tacky, and, believe it or not, that crap started popping up like crazy within days of Elvis' death. I remember the news reporting it. Made me want to go down there and tear it all down, and I was just 11 years old!

Menwithbrokenhearts
08-04-2007, 08:04 AM
Well said on all points, but it was I think, different when he was alive...he was still seen as a human being and I think sight of that is lost sometimes in the name of profit. :D

I think too yes the city had a lot to do with the situation but EPE could have also done more, like they are now, if they could move the TN courts to pass a law about heirs I'm sure they could have also made something happen w/the surrounding area. JMO :D

Good points both. It definately was different living there when Elvis was still alive. I remember my heart skipping a beat everytime we drove by Graceland. As far as the world and how he was seen, Im not sure but you could be right. :)

Suzan
08-04-2007, 08:08 AM
Good points both. It definately was different living there when Elvis was still alive. I remember my heart skipping a beat everytime we drove by Graceland. As far as the world and how he was seen, Im not sure but you could be right. :)

How cool, I think I would have fainted! :D:D:D:D lol

I remember when I went in March of 1978, it still had a feeling of him being around, like he was going to come around the corner @ any moment and ask what we all were doing in his backyard. lol
In 1982 it still had the feeling, I remember looking up the stairs and thinking "oh boy he's gonna come down and ask us what the hell we were standing in his foyer for?". Friends who have gone in more recent years say that it's sort of lost some of that feeling.:(

Menwithbrokenhearts
08-08-2007, 07:46 AM
How cool, I think I would have fainted! :D:D:D:D lol

I remember when I went in March of 1978, it still had a feeling of him being around, like he was going to come around the corner @ any moment and ask what we all were doing in his backyard. lol
In 1982 it still had the feeling, I remember looking up the stairs and thinking "oh boy he's gonna come down and ask us what the hell we were standing in his foyer for?". Friends who have gone in more recent years say that it's sort of lost some of that feeling.:(

It was real cool. We went everyyear to see the Christmas lights. We saw a black car pull out once but could not see if it was Elvis. My stepmom Casey saw him pull out on his motorcycle, and my aunt saw him downtown in the 50's. I begged to go by more often, but we didn't get the chance too much, But it was sure cool when we did. I went to Graceland the first year they opened up the Meditation Gardens and from there to now, everytrip has lost that feeling even more. It's cool to see all the stuff now, but the mystery and spirit of the place is somehow lost. Can't quite explain it. I still like to go though, and will soon as my 4 year old daughter already wants to go someday. How can I refuse?:D

The King's Queen
08-08-2007, 03:19 PM
His music will go on and on and on.... Perhaps, when everyone is gone who once knew him, it will become different. But the title "The King of Rock'n'Roll" holds much esteem. He will always be remembered for his music and the contribution he made to rock'n'roll as a whole. Of course there won't be "new" music, so to speak, but isn't there a saying..."Everything old is new again"...? I think that is being proven right now by the scores of young, even teenaged, Elvis fans that are emerging today. Elvis IS the music. The music IS Elvis. The two could never be seperated....

retroprincess
08-19-2007, 03:46 PM
I have mixed feelings about all this. While I think I can see that the mall/shops etc surrounding Graceland might need a major overhaul, I feel a bit apprehensive when I read about a theme park operating in conjunction with Gracelands, perhaps because what I see when I hear all this is Elvis being turned into a product, instead of being celebrated as the wonderful performer and person he was.

And to say that "Believe it or not but the music won't last forever" - well, imho that's one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard in my life. Elvis' music has the ability to reach many, many generations into the future. It doesn't need to be 'repackaged', it doesn't matter if no 'new' material comes out - becasue what we have - Elvis' music, which is the LEGACY of Elvis Presley - holds merit enough to be rediscovered and appreciated just as it is. Just as classical music is seen today, so will Elvis' music be enjoyed by many, many future generations. Because the way I see it, the guy had something that transcends years.

Just my 2c worth anyhow.

EP75
08-19-2007, 04:43 PM
The truth is, the image will outlive the music. It's already happening now. The muisc will still be around 30 years form now. But the image will be around 100 years form now due to it's historic longevity and importance. I can promise you this. Had Robert Sillerman and EPE not merged and joined forces and had a positive vision for the future of both Graceland and EP, then Graceland would have been in danger and possibly wouldn't remain open too much longer. EP fans apparently aren't aware that the numbers were dropping over the past 3 years. Now this year those numbers will go back up due to the record setting EP Week. And thankfully those numbers will rise even higher per year with the new museum attractions.

Personally and this is not aimed at any individual, but I am so happy that Priscilla, Lisa and Bob Sillerman don't have such a negative outlook at keeping EP alive for generations to come as some fans do. At least they want to take it to a bigger and better level. But apparently that is too hard for some fans to comprehend.

I also don't understand why fans can't get it in their heads that THIS WILL NOT BE AN AMUSEUMENT PARK. Priscilla has addressed this publicly and even during the Insiders meeting that IT WILL NOT HAVE RIDES. What this will be is what it should have been years ago. In fact Priscilla and Lisa both have been wanting this transformation for 15 years now. They wanted the best way possible to tell the entire story and to separate the museum factor from the home. That is what they are about to do.

The home will be restored to what it actually was when EP lived there. In other words, the museum part will be taken out. The racquetball court will no longer be the trophy room. The new exhibit in EP's garage area will be restored to a garage, from my understanding. All of the museum effects and artifacts currently inside the mansion will be removed to the new museum. Their plan is to turn Graceland back into the home it once was.

KPM
08-19-2007, 06:02 PM
The so-called "long term" plans for the Graceland expansion will only be effective for the next 40 or 50 years or so.

In, say, 100 years, there is no way that Graceland will attract as many visitors as it does today. Elvis isn't really part of history yet (I mean, the sort of history you'd study at school) and there are millions of people still left on earth who have memories of him, his music and his death.

While Elvis and his music will never be forgotten, once the last person who has memories of 1977 and earlier disappears from the earth, things will inevitably change. Elvis will become like Beethoven or other great artists throughout time: still important, naturally, but no longer in the general public consciousness like he is today.

The music will one day run out (come on, you know it's true ... there can't be that much left in the RCA archives to last for another century!) and Elvis' place in the pantheon of people who have shaped history will naturally morph into something different than what it is today. Something still good, I'm s

All things must pass, as George Harrison said.

None of us, of course, will be around to see it though ...

I am not so sure of your comment about the 100 years from now no way it will attract as many visitors. IMO it may attract as many, if not more. They may visit for different reasons than fans of today- but the curiosity to see this home will always be strong. I mean it is not just die hard fans who visit the home. When people travel they do not just go to the places that have been their lifelong desires-they go to interesting, fun places. I think we can say without much doubt that Graceland is interesting and has a lot to show even non-fans. There will always be fans who bring their kids, and even if they do not become die hard fans it makes a soft spot for Elvis in their hearts. They in turn will have kids and one day- they recall the neat things they saw and they go again.
When Rock started they said it was a fad-would not last 3 years. Elvis was a flash in the pan and he would long be forgotten out of the Army. Lets see that was over 50 years ago. Rock is still here and is the predominate music of our time, so acts like Elvis and the Beatles are always going to attract new fans. (but obviously not like their heydays)

Do you know who Buffalo Bill Cody is? He was a wild west cowboy born in the mid 1800s. He was a buffalo skinner as a young man- ended up being in a Wild West show in the last years of his life. He retired to Colorado and died.
Hes buried on Pikes Peak. They have a museum, restaurants, his home and his grave up their. I went to see in in the 1960s on vacation with my family.
Now this guy was not anywhere near the cultural influence that Elvis was. This guy does not have hundreds of recordings and filmed performances as a legacy to help keep his name alive. His fame is no where near the scope and magnitude of Elvis. But he was a colorful and flamboyant person and his exploits are legendary. No one alive today could ever have known of him except from the storys told about him. Hes been dead over 90 years and still today thousands from the world over visit Pikes Peak and his grave each year. Its one of the biggest tourist attractions in Colorado and the west in general. IMO if old Buffalo Bill can still draw a crowd-so will Elvis:D

KPM
08-19-2007, 06:40 PM
I wish they'd get their facts right, Priscilla didn't form EPE she just revamped it w/her people. Elvis' & Col. formed it in late 50's. Also Lisa owns Graceland but I don't know what they mean by Sillerman controls it....unless they are referring to the 100 yr. lease she signed for the tours to continue?

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Actually the companies formed by the Elvis and the Col. were EPE but it was a completely different set up for different circumstances between the Col and Elvis. The current EPE was created by the Elvis Presley Trust set up for Lisa after Elvis died- Vernon was Trustee.
Vernon Presley's will brought about the appointment of three co-executors/co-trustees to succeed him. They were: the National Bank of Commerce in Memphis, which was the bank Elvis and Vernon had done business with; Joseph Hanks, who had been Elvis and Vernon's accountant for a number of years; and Priscilla Beaulieu Presley, who had divorced Elvis in 1973, and was Lisa's legal guardian. Joseph Hanks retired from his post in 1990.

Upon Lisa Presley's twenty-fifth birthday in 1993, the trust automatically dissolved and Lisa chose to form a new trust, The Elvis Presley Trust, to continue the successful management of the estate, with Priscilla Presley and the National Bank of Commerce continuing to serve as co-trustees

Elvis Presley Enterprises, Inc. (EPE) is the corporate entity that was created by the Elvis Presley Trust to conduct business and manage its assets. EPE was wholly owned by the Elvis Presley Trust/Lisa Marie Presley until 2005.



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