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Jumpsuit Junkie
02-11-2007, 12:03 PM
I know this seems like a daft question coming from an Elvis Fan and asking the question on an Elvis message board but is Elvis as relevant today as he was 30-50 years ago. I know this subject has been touched on in various other threads but never as a subject in it's own right.

some questions to consider.......

Has Elvis become just a figurehead of EPE/Sillerman in a quest to sell an Image and not concentrate on the man or his music?

Is Elvis relevant to the teens and twenty-somethings in todays society, does his music reach them in sufficient numbers?

Where do you see Elvis' future going, do you think that he will just end up being a figure head like Colonel Sanders for KFC?

Elvis is relevant in my life and in turn this makes him relevant to my family. I don't kid myself that my family would ever have the same reverence that I have but if I was to pop off tomorrow I think they would still listen to the odd song, but would they buy a DVD or CD?

As a fans do we tend to overstate Elvis' relevance in todays society because of who we are and how we feel about Elvis, do we become overprotective of the man.

I don't doubt Elvis' popularity In certain areas of the world, Memphis is a prime example, he is their son and still generates lots of tourists and $$$.

Is Elvis a desired and sought after artist or just a bargain basement cheap and cheerful Walmart product?

Do big business see Elvis an artist worth investing in?

I know this seems a little downbeat, but I'm sure there are people who will come back fighting and give counter arguments and statistics to prove otherwise.

Matt

MauriceColgan
02-11-2007, 12:53 PM
The question pops up now and again on FECC and Elvisnumberones.

My take is Elvis's music no longer relies on a young audience exclusively.

He has become a Classic artist.

Like the great Ludwig Van Beethoven, but Elvis attracts discerning popular music lovers. That magnificent voice heard at it's best cannot help but seduce listeners.

Having said that. If the media can sell Johnny Cash to the general public again on a huge scale, the same could be done for Elvis. I like Johnny Cash but he is nowhere in the same league as Elvis Presley.

Statistics don't turn me on, Elvis's records turned generations on and will continue to do so, just ask my grandchildren as they watch "Loving You".

Seriously, one day that movie was on our TV and I looked at my wife, daughter and her three daughters and they were enraptured watching Elvis sing to Dolores Hart! :-)

http://irelandtoo.blogspot.com

jak
02-11-2007, 07:21 PM
You touch on many points in your post that I often wonder about.Elvis' place in history is secure no matter what.Nobody can argue that he was the most singular important force in music history.However time is not kind to anyone's memory.Particulary someone in the entertainment field.The people of today dont realize the impact Elvis had back in the 50's and how special it was.Elvis is so tame by today's standard's and teens today just dont listen to him or other great artists of the past.You were exactly right when you stated we fans overstate his importance in today's world.Elvis is relevant to his fans but that's where it stops.He isnt a global influence any longer.Memories of a person gone 30 years cannot equal the living person who is still producing his art.To here Elvis on the radio you must seek out an oldies station.It's not knocking Elvis but just common sense.Elvis already has become the Col Sanders figure you mentioned.That's the real tragedy.When it comes to respect I dare say he is behind the likes of Cash and the Beatles because of this.Elvis has been a huge part of my life since I was just 7 years old.For me that is 34 years of being a loyal fan.His impact has not diminished for me at all.However I would be kidding myself if I said he was just as important in today's society as he ever was.If we are honest with ourselves,his importance was already waning the last few years of his life.
Jak

Suspicious Minds
02-12-2007, 09:40 AM
What a daft question in the first place? Elvis is one of the top earners in the music business. If it wasn't for Elvis there would not be the Beatles or the top groups or singers we have today. Elvis made the music business better. Elvis was the first person to get a record straight in at No 1 and sell a million. Not many singers or groups can say that.:doh:


(y) :king:

MauriceColgan
02-12-2007, 10:16 AM
When I was in hospital recovering from a triple by-pass op August 2002 this article appeared in "The Irish Times". It helped me recover. :-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/MauriceColgan/ELVISBattersby.jpg

I wonder how many were influenced and went out and bought an Elvis CD from curiosity? That's the kind of publicity in a "quality" newspaper that we need.

http://irelandtoo.blogspot.com

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-12-2007, 12:12 PM
What a daft question in the first place? Elvis is one of the top earners in the music business. If it wasn't for Elvis there would not be the Beatles or the top groups or singers we have today. Elvis made the music business better. Elvis was the first person to get a record straight in at No 1 and sell a million. Not many singers or groups can say that.:doh:


(y) :king:

Please read the original first post before making insulting statements, perhaps when you re-read the post it will explain what a ridiculous statement yours is and you might attempt to answer the question instead of a knee jerk reaction. (n)

Matt

Lisarose
02-12-2007, 05:39 PM
When I was in hospital recovering from a triple by-pass op August 2002 this article appeared in "The Irish Times". It helped me recover. :-)Maurice Colgan

What a great article. The author sums it all up beautifully. Thanks for sharing this one. (How can I get my own copy?) Elvis doesn't have a place in history because he happened to be loved by teenage girls, & boys, he doesn't have a place in history because his voice was better than average. As Ms Battersby points out, he has made history because he WAS his music. He could take any song & make it his own. As he himself stated "I don't sound like nobody" It wasn't his intention to copy other musicians, yet in his own polite & courteous manner he paid homage to those he admired as well as present his own interpretations of their music. IMO, he didn't set to be better than anyone, he set out to make music that everyone would enjoy & remember. He isn't the only singer to take music to this level, but he is the one I choose to listen to everyday.
Elvis will be remembered & loved by new generations because he could do something that is uniquely his own.

MauriceColgan
02-12-2007, 06:43 PM
Lisarose, you could try eileen.battersby@irish-times.ie

Or I could send you a photocopy.

On a radio show where a journalist was questioning Elvis's voice I had the pleasure of reading part of the article to him live on RTE 2fm Radio. The Dave Fanning Show.

Fanning is a twit who thought Elvis after Sun was rubbish!!! He's a huge Beatles fan..go figure?

Eileen is hammering Norma Mailer this week :-)

KPM
02-12-2007, 07:22 PM
I had a hard debate with the Program director of an oldies station in St. Louis
because they played the hits o f the 60s and 70s(or so they said) and they only played "3" Elvis songs Susp. Minds, Burning love, Kentucky Rain. Yet they played a multitude of Beatle songs everyday. I pointed out the many other hits Elvis had in the 60s and 70s. He told me,
"Elvis is not as relevent as the Beatles to our listeners so we play more varied Beatle music"
I told him I was a listener and I knew several people who also were and liked to here a little more Elvis and not the same 3 songs. I pointed out his ALLC worldwide hit which got play on the top pop stations here and around the world. He said,
"Well that is fine but it has no bearing on our playlist"
I got a bunch of people I knew to e-mail and they finally began to play more Elvis and not just the same 3.
I think Elvis is given more respect in places overseas, Japan-England-Germany etc.
I think to gain more relevancy, somehow a new respect for what he did for the birth of rock and his vocal and performing abilities will have to be generated in younger people.
Johhny Cash got that respect with his newer albums which were produced by young producers, the video of "Hurt' by Cash was so powerful they could see "truth being told" in it. It made him more respected, more appreciated. How can you do the same for Elvis since he is gone? Is a not impossible but It will take a real effort from the estate, BMG. I felt that ALLC was a good step(my younger daughter asked to look thru may Elvis music after it was a hit and started to explore him like he was someone new) but it was not followed up well I thought.
30 years of the "overweight singer in white jumpsuits" has pushed aside his true greatness -of voice and performing to many.
Some young people get it just hearing or seeing one song by him, others need to be led to the water.

MauriceColgan
02-12-2007, 08:06 PM
Well Done KPM, getting Elvis played on radio is very important indeed.

Before I got a PC AND email I listened to a lot of radio and hardly ever heard Elvis. I was back in Ireland seventeen years before I decided to get involved in replying to DJs slurs on Elvis.

Ronan.Collins@rte.ie read out my message about Elvis not getting much airplay, on his show. To be fair Ronan played requests so did in fact play Elvis quite often in the afternoons.

But other DJs also got email whenever they disrespected Elvis. Slowly but surely just about every DJ on a host of radio shows got to know me. The letters pages in the newspapers too. Even American and British Radio stations contacted me. It's great working for Elvis..the pay isn't great but it's rewarding in itself.

Often I was invited to comment on Elvis live on radio. It took years but if an old guy like me can do it...............................

An old Irish DJ Larry.Gogan@2fm.ie has just this minute said how much he loves Elvis on our national TV!! uncanny :-) He has a two hour radio show in the afternoon.

Suspicious Minds
02-12-2007, 08:22 PM
Please read the original first post before making insulting statements, perhaps when you re-read the post it will explain what a ridiculous statement yours is and you might attempt to answer the question instead of a knee jerk reaction. (n)

Matt

Elvis is part of my life too. I did not intend to insult your question. Not many youngsters are Elvis fans today. Elvis still sells records today. When some groups or singers has retired. I am sorry if it offended you but my answer was not rediciculous.

Raised on Rock
02-12-2007, 09:00 PM
Well something odd about my country... (hope not to go off topic). From what I heard from older people, during the 50's Elvis Presley was adored here in México, been so close to the U.S. we lisened Elvis even before he get airplay in Britain, this was mainly because in those days, mostly in the Northern part of my country, we recieved the signal of many southern U.S. radio stations, so we got Prelsey since the SUn era, a popular writer here in Mexico, Jose Agustin, recalls how when he was about 14 in '55 remebers that American Country Station that used to play a song called "Mystery Train" from a guy with a funny, and it sounded like something that it had never been heard before at make him going into somekind of trance; then some more music of that guy came out and it was all exiting, then by '56 Mexican radio stations as same as everywhere started to play Elvis and that was the year of the Presley mania. It is funny to notice that here in Mexico we had Elvis long before Chuck Berry or Litle Richard, we had Bill Haley before Elvis but nobody here really played much attention, ROck Around the CLock i was just a good record for dancing, so Elvis was the one who bringed rock and roll to us.

ELvis was "THe Icon", we never got the chance to see him live, well nobody did except Canadians. but being so near the US and being those days long before the American Paranoia, and the Mexica migration issues, it was to easy traveling to the States for a weekwend and see Elvis live everytime we toured the south during the '50 so lots of people here got the chance to see him preform, and when you came back you bring home some single records before the get released here in Mexico.

The 50's movies caused histerya, even the police had to cancel the playing some nights at the middle of the film preventing riots, rock and roll has a tremendous thing here in Mexico, but then Elvis went to the Army, Buddy Holly died, Berry went to Jail and suddenly we stop hearing about Jerry Lee, but mostly, some autorithies get really hard about banning everything related to rock music. (The Beatles were to come here to Mexico City in '65 but that was canceled cause someone decided they should not come here and spoil our youth... same happened with the DOors in '68.)

Elvis came out of the army, he was the embodiment of rock and roll and he gave us GI BLues and well, I guess some really really didnt like that or they like it a lot cause they literary put a cinema on fire here in Mexico City, so Elvis movies where banned here in Mexico for about two years or so, yes believe it or not! plus someone made it big with the rumor about some racist coments about ELvis disliking mexican girls, and many radio stations, even the ones that usually played rock and roll stop playing Elvis, Elvis carrer was pretty damage here during the first half of the 60's, and when ELvis movies where showed again in cinemas and the rumor was cleared up by the means Fun in Acapulco (a movie that may have made happy lots of Mexican girls but seriously disapointed his remaining original rock fans) The Beatles and The STones and the whole British invasion had conquered this country just as every where, so Elvis was past.

Now for some reason the comback special didn´t aired here, it was shown on some Movie Theaters next year, and only the die hard fans attended, so it couldn't reach a lot of people and show them the King was back, Suspicious Minds was a Big Hit, and although they were many hits for Elvis here in the 70's, and the "Aloha form Hawaii" aired here in Mexico and got good reviews, Elvis never reached the level of popularity he had on the UK or the States during the same period, by '75 people was into something else, then he passed, and the CBS special was aired on Mexian TV, by the early 80's Elvis was a fat gringo and except his devotedfans like everywherem nobody could care less about him.

ANyway probably this story is no diferent from the one Elvis fans could tell about Elvis impact on forgein contries but then something quite unike happened here, by the mid 80's the punks died and a new undergound scene apeared, a new interest in rockabilly music among young people, but that wasnt mainstream, radio stations except one AM and one FM didnt care about this, people lisened to Cind Laouper, Madona, and all that shit, but there was this bar that became notorious for presenting this mixture of rockabilly punk bands, local and forgein, plus they developed this retro '50 image with some punk touches and people got crazy with it, and yes, Elvis was discovered again with that, but not as a mainstream, but in the way it matters: street credibility. THen during the 90's some smart people got his hands on the music bussines again and stuff like the Elvis in the 90's reisuees was pushed hard here in Mexico, and then the '96 release of ELVIs '56 and a reisuee of the video with the same name plus a TV broadcast on prime hour in Mexico City TV put Elvis on the Map once again, then next year a Greatest Hits Collection (Elvis Essential Collection I think it was a BMG Mexico release only, and may I say with better selections than Elvis 30's No1 hits) was on the No1 on the charts around here for almost the whole '97 even keeping Beatles Anthology 2 away from the No1 spot.

Right now I dare to say Elvis has total credibility around here, but the oddly thing that I have notice in Mexico is that the people who recognizes Elvis as a true artist, a man that you got to respect even if you dont like his music are the older than 58 years old and the younger than 25. Every one between that ages that doesnt laught when they hear the word Elvis is a rare exception, the rare ones who disliked the 80's music and everything about that decade but they had to grow then and so they search in the past for getting good stuff.

Well hope that wasn't looong boring.

rebby
02-12-2007, 09:13 PM
Oh of course Elvis is still relevent!!!!! The amount of mentions he gets in TV shows, movies and books is unbelieveable!!!! LONG LIVE THE KING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suspicious Minds
02-12-2007, 10:16 PM
Elvis is relevant today. The commercials use Elvis music when ever they can lately. They even got the guts to use Graceland as part of the show American Pop Idol. So they cannot make it without using Elvis.:king:

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-12-2007, 11:38 PM
Thank you "Raised on Rock" that was the kind of reply I was looking for (y)

Lisarose
02-13-2007, 12:36 AM
MauriceColgan;97502] Lisarose, you could try eileen.battersby@irish-times.ie Or I could send you a photocopy.

Thank you, kind sir, I will try Ms. Battersby first, may contact you later!

My collection of Elvis is growing. I try to get CDs with music I am totally unfamiliar with, then I play them constantly. My younger son has grown quite fond of Elvis & has even asked to hear his music. Elvis is so unique that Timothy instantly recognizes his style now. Just that - the instant recognization is Elvis' legacy. Forget the clothes, that was just a sign of an era - Elvis didn't wear jumpsuits in the 50's or 60's & his music was noteworthy then.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-13-2007, 12:29 PM
Why write an whole page for an answer? Raised on Rock has said similar things that I have said. Only in story form.

What is your problem?

The thing you said in short form was


What a daft question in the first place?

Hardly the same thing at all :mad:

I would kindly ask that you do not respond to any of my posts in the future unless you have some contributory statements or informed discussion that MIGHT add to the ORIGINAL post. :nono:

jak
02-13-2007, 01:45 PM
In reading the posts I think some confuse popularity with relevancy.They are two different things in my opinion.Somebody like Paris Hilton is in the news on a continous basis but is hardly relevant to society.Elvis' greatest impact was 50 years ago.He changed the course of culture in this country forever.Time has faded the impact he had however.People born much later just cant realize how different things were back then nor do they truly appreciate the magnitude of what Elvis did.A majority of younger people today fail to acknowledge the past.The world has basically become a "what have you done for me lately" society.
Jak

MauriceColgan
02-13-2007, 02:48 PM
In reading the posts I think some confuse popularity with relevancy.They are two different things in my opinion.Somebody like Paris Hilton is in the news on a continous basis but is hardly relevant to society.Elvis' greatest impact was 50 years ago.He changed the course of culture in this country forever.Time has faded the impact he had however.People born much later just cant realize how different things were back then nor do they truly appreciate the magnitude of what Elvis did.A majority of younger people today fail to acknowledge the past.The world has basically become a "what have you done for me lately" society.
Jak


I disagree.

Whenever major pop stars are questioned about Elvis they nearly always praise him to the sky.

Young people do not miss much. Although they may not rush out and purchase Elvis CDs they realise his impact on popular music was extraordinary. They will probably discover his music later.

Rock mags usually do an Elvis special now and again and the young readership cannot help but notice Elvis is revered.

From reading thousands of books I discovered Beethoven's wonderful music, because so many authors I loved, kept mentioning one or another of his works.

That's how it works. We are influenced by those we respect. Elvis is just too big in the history of popular music to be irrelevant.

Any city I visit I bump into his image whether New York, Manchester UK, or Dublin.

In our fashionable poster shops a selection of Elvis images can always be found. HMV stocks quite a selection of Elvis CD AND DVDs.

Just about everyday on google.com news there are Elvis articles from around the world.

Back in the early days in Europe Elvis got very little airplay but kids were singing his songs in the street!

The young, and older kids living close by sing "Hound Dog" to us when we go out :-)

I think we are in for a further upsurge of interest in Elvis as we approach the 30th Anniversary. The media is increasingly hungry for stories and Elvis is one of the biggest in August, no matter what else happens in the world.

I had a nice email from the editor of Bella magazine online about Elvis this very morning. She has a great collection of quotes about Elvis on their website. Read them all and then return to the question.

Good questions get us thinking just a little deeper. Just imagine if all the free publicity was harnessed efficiently by BMG what a difference we would see in Elvis sales.

Khachaturian's "Sparticus" was hardly known by the general public and even by many classical music lovers, but once it was used in a BBC TV series it entered high on the pop charts!

Once people who love music hear Elvis at his best how can they not want more? SEE newspaper article above.

Coincidently. Today a business Press Release on google says most people it Polled have chosen Elvis's "Can't Help Falling in Love" as the best Valentine's Day song.

srj1967
02-13-2007, 03:39 PM
A majority of younger people today fail to acknowledge the past.The world has basically become a "what have you done for me lately" society.
Jak

EVERY young generation is like this; today's kids are no different to their parents and grandparents were in their day.

The children who come after us (and, thankfully, none will ever be produced by yours truly) will be exactly the same, and the kids of today will *****'n'moan about their own kids as they become parents themselves.

An appreciation for the past - whether it be about music, history or one's country - usually comes to a person with maturity.

Let kids be kids. They'll listen to their own music, and some will eventually incorporate Elvis and all the other important music figures (and their modern favourites) into their own lives.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-13-2007, 04:02 PM
I Tend to agree with what Jak is saying and some of what you say also Maurice! although when you say you see Elvis' Image in every city you see..... you could say the same for Coca Cola, McDonalds and KFC, they contibute to society also ;)

Where I do differ, I agree that todays society are just the same music wise as other generations, I would have hated my parents ramming what I then considered old fashioned music :blush:

Matt

jak
02-13-2007, 04:11 PM
I disagree.

Whenever major pop stars are questioned about Elvis they nearly always praise him to the sky.

Young people do not miss much. Although they may not rush out and purchase Elvis CDs they realise his impact on popular music was extraordinary. They will probably discover his music later.

Rock mags usually do an Elvis special now and again and the young readership cannot help but notice Elvis is revered.

From reading thousands of books I discovered Beethoven's wonderful music, because so many authors I loved, kept mentioning one or another of his works.

That's how it works. We are influenced by those we respect. Elvis is just too big in the history of popular music to be irrelevant.

Any city I visit I bump into his image whether New York, Manchester UK, or Dublin.

In our fashionable poster shops a selection of Elvis images can always be found. HMV stocks quite a selection of Elvis CD AND DVDs.

Just about everyday on google.com news there are Elvis articles from around the world.

Back in the early days in Europe Elvis got very little airplay but kids were singing his songs in the street!

The young, and older kids living close by sing "Hound Dog" to us when we go out :-)

I think we are in for a further upsurge of interest in Elvis as we approach the 30th Anniversary. The media is increasingly hungry for stories and Elvis is one of the biggest in August, no matter what else happens in the world.

I had a nice email from the editor of Bella magazine online about Elvis this very morning. She has a great collection of quotes about Elvis on their website. Read them all and then return to the question.

Good questions get us thinking just a little deeper. Just imagine if all the free publicity was harnessed efficiently by BMG what a difference we would see in Elvis sales.

Khachaturian's "Sparticus" was hardly known by the general public and even by many classical music lovers, but once it was used in a BBC TV series it entered high on the pop charts!

Once people who love music hear Elvis at his best how can they not want more? SEE newspaper article above.

Coincidently. Today a business Press Release on google says most people it Polled have chosen Elvis's "Can't Help Falling in Love" as the best Valentine's Day song.

I know the point youre trying to make Maurice but I still think the lines between celebrity and relevancy are being blurred somewhat.Surely the likes of Paris Hilton, Brad Pitt and now Ann Nicole get more media coverage than Elvis as well do a host of today's so called stars.My original point is that celebrity and noteriety does not equal relevancy.In my opinion the people I listed are completely irrelevant to society.Yet they have great noteriety.Elvis was a driving force in our cultural society.He changed people's lives I believe.The key word is was.Elvis had his time.Nobody can dispute it.I just believe that in this day and age Elvis is not a driving force in popular culture.He wasnt when he died either.Dont be so sure either to state that young people acknolwedge Elvis' impact.Im just not seeing that.Sometimes I might play an Elvis track and I'll think,how can anybody not be an Elvis fan after hearing that?The truth is we fans want everybody to embrace Elvis like we do.It just doesnt work that way.
Jak

srj1967
02-13-2007, 04:27 PM
Surely the likes of Paris Hilton, Brad Pitt and now Ann Nicole get more media coverage than Elvis as well do a host of today's so called stars.
Jak

Sorry, but are you placing Brad Pitt in the same relevance category as Paris Hilton and Anna Nicole Smith?

He's a good actor and has credibility in terms of his performances. The whole paparazzi obsession with him and Angelina Jolie is merely a byproduct of his union with Ange, the rest of his career and life is rock solid.

A genuine star, one of the few we have these days ...

jak
02-13-2007, 04:46 PM
Sorry, but are you placing Brad Pitt in the same relevance category as Paris Hilton and Anna Nicole Smith?

He's a good actor and has credibility in terms of his performances. The whole paparazzi obsession with him and Angelina Jolie is merely a byproduct of his union with Ange, the rest of his career and life is rock solid.

A genuine star, one of the few we have these days ...

You are missing the point.Im talking about media coverage.Not the caliber of performer.Brad Pitt may make some good movies yet I believe he is culturally insignificant.He has not changed the lives of people through his onscreen work.Neither did the other two I mentioned.Yet they are media magnets.None of those three people are relevant to our society.They provide escapist entertainment.That goes for most of today's stars.Elvis is deserving of his fame and praise unlike most.
Jak

nashville cat
02-13-2007, 05:13 PM
Unfortunately, Elvis' relevancy on modern music is still sometimes shortchanged because of the old "he didn't write his own music...blah, blah, blah".....argument. Never mind those that did write their own music have not had nearly the influence on performance and the creation of the image of the pop/rock star. Every one since owes a debt to EP.

MauriceColgan
02-13-2007, 05:48 PM
I Tend to agree with what Jak is saying and some of what you say also Maurice! although when you say you see Elvis' Image in every city you see..... you could say the same for Coca Cola, McDonalds and KFC, they contibute to society also ;)

Where I do differ, I agree that todays society are just the same music wise as other generations, I would have hated my parents ramming what I then considered old fashioned music :blush:

Matt

Coca Cola and the others are one dimensional so to speak. Elvis has so many dimensions he is liable to turn up in the most unexpected places.:-)

My mother collected the recordings of Jose Locke a well known Irish tenor in the UK and here in Ireland.

As a fifteen year old I would moan and grown about the awful noise waiting to use the record player to play Elvis in 1957.

Decades later I bought A Josef locke Album out of nostalgia, and became an ardent fan 1976! What a voice he had! I had to grow up to appreciate it fully. :blush:

I had met Josef in his pub in Dublin 1964 and got his autograph for my Mother on a cigarette pack!

2001 I started a campaign in Derry his hometown Northern Ireland (He actually lived out his life south of Dublin here in the south) to get a statue of Josef erected. The BBC and newspapers here ran quite a few stories about the idea. A northern Irish guy jumped on the bandwagon, organised a special Concert in Derry and a beautiful Memorial to Josef was erected in 2003.
Ned Beaty played Josef in the Hollywood movie "Hear My Song". Josef acted in a few small british movies in the 40s!

Bear with me please :-)

My son was into a great many super groups in his teens during the 70s, his sister had her favourite musicians too.

They both are classical musicians, but what did they buy their young kids for christmas 2006?..................... Elvis DVDs And CDS :-)

It's a Cycle.

The great Composers popularity comes and goes as serious music critics change the fashion decade after decade. When I was young, all the talk was about Wagner and Mahler, now it's Bach to Mozart and Beethoven :-)

Cyclical.

Once again I contend Elvis is as relevant as he ever was.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/MauriceColgan/jlocke45.jpga

diamond
02-13-2007, 06:18 PM
Just a quick question

Why has a topic about Elvis being relevant turned into Someone's usual rant of self-indulgence. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GIVE IT A REST.

If this gets removed or I get another strike or heaven forbid banned could ADMIN inform me of the reason why by E-mail please.

senadw124
02-13-2007, 07:45 PM
No matter how many records artists break today, you can't compare them to Elvis' records. There will never be an artist to sell 5 mill copies of a SINGLE like Elvis did because of all the illegal downloads and stuff.

So yes, I think Elvis will be relevant for years, if not forever! (y)

memphis 77
02-13-2007, 08:24 PM
is ELVIS relevant? hell yes , the hall of gold is proof enough that he is rellevant, 50 million ELVIS fans can't be wrong[my 2 cents]. i ask you the question are other so called artists / like NELLY, FITY CENT, SNOOP DOG, MADONNA, ALL GHETTO ARTISTS? GIVE ME A BREAK THEY ARE ALL THUGS AND PROMOTE THE THUG LIFE-LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO TUPAK AND BIGGIE....C'MON elvis presley WAS ,IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE RELLIVANT, the fact that we are here talking/fighting about him is proof enough.[just my opinon though].

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-13-2007, 10:56 PM
Coca Cola and the others are one dimensional so to speak. Elvis has so many dimensions he is liable to turn up in the most unexpected places.:-)

After finally reading the monologue :P I see the point your were making but still struggle with the youth and relevancy point (apart from your family). To the youth of today surely Elvis is one dimensional to them maybe two. There are not many who are willing to look up rock 'n' roll's roots and history let alone be grateful.

I agree with Jak on the point about is Elvis relevant in todays society!
I'm not asking the question is Elvis popular, we know he is.
Selling records does not make you relevant, your art and how you are perceived does.

How is Elvis perceived by the average person, not an Elvis fan :hmm:

senadw124
02-13-2007, 11:16 PM
I'm 17 for example, and I started to listen to Elvis since I were 12. Not because my parents did, but because I found Love me Tender interesting (The first song I heard)
I love to listen to his music, but not everybody at my age feels the same. He's just old fashion they say.

Don't you think Elvis would be more relevant for my generation if they make more remixes of his songs? Everybody I know likes A little less conversation, they can't stop listen to it. Don't forget, my generation are those who shall pass Elvis' legacy further, to our kids ect.

BMG just need to take some chances and do more remixes, that are superb of course. I think it would secure Elvis' music for another generation, if not more.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-13-2007, 11:50 PM
BMG just need to take some chances and do more remixes, that are superb of course. I think it would secure Elvis' music for another generation, if not more.

BMG should take more risks!! unfortunately if you get someone noteworthy to re-mix an Elvis track you have to share the loot :doh: Also it can become a one trick pony, too many re-mixes and you will become a laughing stock.

It is all to easy for BMG to just release a compilation album (Again)

I would be happy to see a unplugged album..... strip out the overdubs, let people hear the voice, that will sell with a good video. If you listen to "In The Ghetto (Alternate take)" and "Suspicious Minds 6 (Alternate take) and you will know what I mean.

Matt

senadw124
02-13-2007, 11:54 PM
You're right jumpsuit junkie.

They could do a musicvideo and show it on MTV. I mean, a musicvideo of Elvis singing Suspicious Minds from TTWII SE, and set some other clips from the movie, and just mix it all together. That would most surely attract some viewers!

Dovey
02-14-2007, 12:17 AM
Oh of course Elvis is still relevent!!!!! The amount of mentions he gets in TV shows, movies and books is unbelieveable!!!! LONG LIVE THE KING!!!!!!!!!!!!


To make a short and sweet answer I agree with Reddy 100%.. it seems lately we see more Elvis mentioned on TV than there has been in years.

Long Live the KIng ... He will always be relevent in Histroy as the fist singer who was not afraid to stand up to redicule and sing and move on the stage to the beat of the music he loved so much and felt deep in his heart. Dovey ;)

KPM
02-14-2007, 04:23 AM
BMG should take more risks!! unfortunately if you get someone noteworthy to re-mix an Elvis track you have to share the loot :doh: Also it can become a one trick pony, too many re-mixes and you will become a laughing stock.

It is all to easy for BMG to just release a compilation album (Again)

I would be happy to see a unplugged album..... strip out the overdubs, let people hear the voice, that will sell with a good video. If you listen to "In The Ghetto (Alternate take)" and "Suspicious Minds 6 (Alternate take) and you will know what I mean.

Matt
I am all for remixes, and a good unplugged album stripped down to highlight the voice as you said-but if it is not promoted big time, like 30#1s and ALLC (which was all over the place), it will get nowhere IMO. BMG wants to suck the memory dry. They release the compilations with new covers hoping to get a few sales from new people and sales from the fans who wants every release as part of their collection. They spend as little as possible to max the profits. When ALLC was played on pop stations even the disc jockeys I heard were happy to be playing an Elvis hit again, they marveled at how after 25 years he had hit again. I do not know if I am as worried about his being relevant as I am that he is appreciated and respected. It is hard to be a relevant force in pop music when you are dead. But you can be respected and appreciated for all your talent and for what you have done for music. The young people who like him should not be looked at as "odd" because they do like his music. I mean there are certain artists everyone should have in a good music collection. Elvis should be at the top of the rock list and "relevant in that respect" for sure.

MauriceColgan
02-14-2007, 11:04 AM
After finally reading the monologue :P I see the point your were making but still struggle with the youth and relevancy point (apart from your family). To the youth of today surely Elvis is one dimensional to them maybe two. There are not many who are willing to look up rock 'n' roll's roots and history let alone be grateful.

I agree with Jak on the point about is Elvis relevant in todays society!
I'm not asking the question is Elvis popular, we know he is.
Selling records does not make you relevant, your art and how you are perceived does.

How is Elvis perceived by the average person, not an Elvis fan :hmm:

Apart from my little anecdotes about family members (who actually do not live in a vacuum, they have many aquaintances and friends who also like Elvis's music) We have seen Elvis mentioned on Radio Documentaries TV and in countless movies recently.

Just this second AYLT was played on EURO News TV shown in maybe seventeen countries including Russia. with a photo of Elvis advertising love songs...it's been on everyday for months!

Was Elvis relevant in the 50s ? Only to teenagers, the rest of the people thought he was a flash in the pan..a nine day wonder. Every decade Elvis is written off by media articles yet here we are :-)

Yes Elvis is indeed very relevant.

Happy St Valentines Day everyone. the coloured board looks well. Thanks TCB World. Nice touch.

Merry
02-14-2007, 11:22 AM
Well said Maurice.

Jess :clap: (y) :)

jak
02-14-2007, 11:43 AM
After finally reading the monologue :P I see the point your were making but still struggle with the youth and relevancy point (apart from your family). To the youth of today surely Elvis is one dimensional to them maybe two. There are not many who are willing to look up rock 'n' roll's roots and history let alone be grateful.

I agree with Jak on the point about is Elvis relevant in todays society!
I'm not asking the question is Elvis popular, we know he is.
Selling records does not make you relevant, your art and how you are perceived does.

How is Elvis perceived by the average person, not an Elvis fan :hmm:

You are making the point I was trying to express.Being popular does not mean you are relevant to society in an important way.Many people are famous these days who have done absolutley nothing.They are adored and cause a sensation wherever they go.Yet their absence would mean nothing.
Another situation that tends to mislead fans into thinking Elvis is more popular than he is would be the environment they live in.We come to the message boards,visit graceland or go to fanclub meetings.We seek Elvis out and converse with like minded people.Elvis fans form their own little click to exist in.The average person is not getting exposed to Elvis like this.Not even close.They dont punch in Elvis' name on google to check out the news about him.They dont care.Elvis is not big news.Elvis week will be a curiosity to some.Elvis news is just something to fill time and space.He isnt here to make news by his actions.Memories can only do so much.Memories are just a shadow of the person.To say he as relevant today as he was 40 or 50 years ago goes against common sense.I cant think of anyone in the entertainment field who could achieve that.
Jak

MauriceColgan
02-14-2007, 11:47 AM
Thanks Jess. :-)

I forget to mention there are presently courses on Elvis Presley at Universities and Colleges. Dr Peter Nazareth's Elvis class in Iowa City University attracted a lot of attention in the press a few years ago. His essay on Elvis in the book "In Search of Elvis" by Dr Vernon Chadwick is hilarious, also thought provoking.

I come across this kind of info on the WWW all the time. Over time millions more must see it too. And it's still early days on the Web.

Yes Elvis has always been pertinent..nothing has changed. If Anything he is even more relevant these days. I'm not confusing the word with popularity either.

Merry
02-14-2007, 12:38 PM
Hi Maurice,

Do you know any more about the class/s? What does the course/s entail?

I agree re your thoughts on Elvis. My son at 12, enjoys Elvis' music, because the music is good. My son also likes the music of today, plus rock music, all kinds, actually. I guess that comes along with he wanting to learn his instrument.

Kind wishes,
Jess

srj1967
02-14-2007, 02:37 PM
This will no doubt raise a few hackles, but I must make reference to the word "icon" as applied to Elvis here in this poll regarding his relavance.

As a journalist and news editor, I can tell you "icon" is one of those words of which the original usage has been misinterpreted and bastardised over the years.

I have always taught my staff to avoid using it at all costs when referring to a person. When news stories come in over the wires, all proper journalists remove the word and replace it with something else before putting up the story.

The exact definition of "icon" is:

1. A picture, image, or other representation;
2. Eastern Church: a representation of some sacred personage, as Christ or a saint or angel, painted usually on a wood surface and venerated itself as sacred;
3. A sign or representation that stands for its object by virtue of a resemblance or analogy to it;
4. Computers: a picture or symbol that appears on a monitor and is used to represent a command, as a file drawer to represent filing;
5. Semiotics: a sign or representation that stands for its object by virtue of a resemblance or analogy to it.

"Icon" has religious significance, and it should only be used when referring to statues, paintings etc. And let's not get into a debate about how some people see Elvis as a god, and being a fan as some sort of religion.

I am talking about the strictest definition of the word. Elvis is a man, a legend, a star, a superstar, a cultish figure etc ... but not an icon.

The same applies when using silly expressions like "movie icon", "fashion icon" etc. Totally wrong.

Sorry, but the journalist in me just could not let that one go.

jak
02-14-2007, 02:46 PM
Couldnt people fall under "other representation" since they may represent the pinnacle of achievement in their field?Just asking.

srj1967
02-14-2007, 02:53 PM
No, "other representation" means things like statues, drawings, heiroglyphics, maps, medals, plaques, even "visions" that some people claim to have had at religious sites.

You could certainly have a picture of Elvis (I'm thinking of those hideous velvet things) or of another person that some people may treat as an "icon".

But the person themselves cannot be an icon.

(There are hundreds of words and expressions that, sadly, the general public gets wrong. One example is for when people get what they deserve. Most people think the expression is "just desserts", but it is actually "just deserts" It has nothing to do with desserts - or even deserts, ie places with a lack of water. It comes from the French word 'deseriv', meaning 'deserve'. Just one example ...)

jak
02-14-2007, 03:31 PM
Im not so sure.In today's world the old webster may not be totally valid.From Wikipedia,Icon:used in the general sense of symbol,I.E a name,face,picture,edifice or a person readily recognized as having some well known significane or containing certain qualities.I know im way off topic so I will cease at this point.I just seek knowledge and truth;)
Jak

Dudcowboy_1
02-14-2007, 03:48 PM
I believe Elvis is here to stay and well not go anywhere. I mean if you ask anyone who Loves,likes, dislikes Elvis they know who Elvis is. I'm very lucky that I was raised by my grandparents who got me hooked on Elvis. My grandmother and late grandfather always told me that they never pictured me big this big of a fan. Thing was they didn't force it on me. They let me listen to what ever I wanted and I always seemed go back to Elvis.
I plan on passing it to my kids, I well show them who Elvis was and if they want keep listen to his music its up to them. I note some of parents (not saying all of them) try force Elvis on them. Trust me everyone know's who he is.

Love to all,
Tim Dudley "A Tribute To Elvis Show"
http://www.geocities.com/dudcowboy_1/

MauriceColgan
02-14-2007, 06:29 PM
Hi Maurice,

Do you know any more about the class/s? What does the course/s entail?

I agree re your thoughts on Elvis. My son at 12, enjoys Elvis' music, because the music is good. My son also likes the music of today, plus rock music, all kinds, actually. I guess that comes along with he wanting to learn his instrument.

Kind wishes,
Jess

Hello Jess, Sorry for the delay in replying. We were out most of the day.

"Peter Nazareth
Elvis as Anthology
Peter Nazareth, The University of Iowa

Elvis Presley was a twin whose twin brother was born dead. He twinned himself in much of his music with performers such as Mario Lanza, Jackie Wilson, LaVern Baker, Johnnie Ray, Ivory Joe Hunter, Chuck Willis, and others. Peter Nazareth has been teaching a class at the University of Iowa since 1992 entitled ?Elvis as Anthology? in which he demonstrates this ?twinning? by playing records, videos and movie clips and reading selected works of fiction and non-fiction. The purpose of the ?twinning? is complex: Elvis mirrors the other, sometimes drawing attention to the overlooked, at other times changing the meaning by reversing, turning it upside down or adding something to it. Sometimes he twins with himself. His purpose is to change the world, to move humanity to a higher level of consciousness. Elvis thus opened several doors ? and other artists passed through him such as John Lennon and El Vez, the Mexican American Elvis interpreter.


When Professor Nazareth first taught the class, there was a great deal of media attention ? World News Tonight with Peter Jennings, The Today Show, AP, UPI, As It Happens and National Public Radio being among the many who did stories or interviews: it is estimated that around 700 million worldwide found out about the class. One result was that the first person who played the part of the missing twin, Elvis?s first cousin Gene Smith, asked him to write the foreword to his book, Elvis?s Man Friday.


Professor Nazareth selects titles according to the interest of the particular audience: for example, ?Elvis, El Vez and Alice? (Alice Walker); ?Elvis Presley and Jackie Wilson?; ?Elvis and the Black Matrix?; ?Elvis as Multicultural Artist?; ?Elvis Presley and John Lennon.?


About the Speaker

Peter Nazareth is Professor of English and African American World Studies at the University of Iowa. A Goan, born in Uganda, educated at Leeds in England, Professor Nazareth studied at Yale shortly after the expulsion of Asians from Uganda under Idi Amin. He has published two novels and four books of literary criticism. He can be reached at (319) 354-1344, (319) 621-1133 or (319) 335-0448 and email address NazarethP@aol.com."

I have comminicated with Dr Peter Nazareth, and have a letter from him. We also spoke on the telephoe. He is a very clever guy. But I do not go along with all he says about Elvis.

I usually search Elvis Academics and find articles that interest me.

Elvis fans are very independent and often steadfastly cling to their own view of his career. But facts can get in the way somtimes and we are forced to face reality.

This thread has been an example of how a debate should proceed without the need for hysterical outbursts.

None of us have all the answers but it is very interesting exploring all aspects of the question. This is what a good Elvis message board is all about.

Ger Rijff on FECC is running into some trouble because he dared tell it as it is concerning Elvis. I'm of the same generation we are outspoken and bow to nobody.

It's our duty to inform other, mostly younger Elvis fans as best we can without threat or hindrance. If we are wrong in our views we will be out argued by logic. Logic demands an open mind.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-14-2007, 08:58 PM
Yes Elvis has always been pertinent..nothing has changed. If Anything he is even more relevant these days. I'm not confusing the word with popularity either.

I know I seem to be banging on this drum :blush: (and YES I am a huge Elvis fan)

I can see from you posts that you are a truly committed fan, I can see your frustration also.

Using you statement above would the same then apply to say Bill Gates or Michael Jackson? I see Bill gates as relevant and world changing, Jackson however I would see as someone who has generated a huge fan base but not exactly been ground breaking in his musical direction, more of a great pop artist who wrote/produced popular music which had a unique style but never the less was still pop. (Lets not get into his private life!!!).

MauriceColgan
02-14-2007, 10:14 PM
You can see my frustration? But can you feel it :-)

Hadn't though too much about Bill Gates, but yes he has had an enormous impact on our lives, and he is doing great work by using his wealth to alleviate some of the suffering in this world. Yes he is a Major player.

Michael Jackson did have an impact on popular music..often exaggerated. Nevertheless like Elvis said, "There is room for us all".

I'm not into Jackson's music, he could have been still relevant, but unfortunately the man is VERY ill. Elvis fans are usually understanding and compassionate and so it should be be.

We have a common cause here, and we can make a difference to the way Elvis is viewed by setting an example.


I'll get down off my soapbox now :blush:

Merry
02-14-2007, 11:24 PM
This will no doubt raise a few hackles, but I must make reference to the word "icon" as applied to Elvis here in this poll regarding his relavance.

As a journalist and news editor, I can tell you "icon" is one of those words of which the original usage has been misinterpreted and bastardised over the years.

The exact definition of "icon" is:

1. A picture, image, or other representation;
2. Eastern Church: a representation of some sacred personage, as Christ or a saint or angel, painted usually on a wood surface and venerated itself as sacred;
3. A sign or representation that stands for its object by virtue of a resemblance or analogy to it;
4. Computers: a picture or symbol that appears on a monitor and is used to represent a command, as a file drawer to represent filing;
5. Semiotics: a sign or representation that stands for its object by virtue of a resemblance or analogy to it.

"Icon" has religious significance, and it should only be used when referring to statues, paintings etc. And let's not get into a debate about how some people see Elvis as a god, and being a fan as some sort of religion.

I am talking about the strictest definition of the word. Elvis is a man, a legend, a star, a superstar, a cultish figure etc ... but not an icon.

The same applies when using silly expressions like "movie icon", "fashion icon" etc. Totally wrong.

Sorry, but the journalist in me just could not let that one go.


Very true, I'm glad you pointed this fact out, thank you.

Jess

Merry
02-15-2007, 12:10 AM
We have a common cause here, and we can make a difference to the way Elvis is viewed by setting an example.


I'll get down off my soapbox now :blush:


Well said. Sorry, I just read what I wrote, and I've gone off on a little tangent; however, what I've said is in the context of above, "setting an example", please forgive me, :huh: :doh: :jawdrop:

My opinion is that some negative people live vicariously through Elvis, building themselves up, by aligning themselves with him in their minds, then picking fault, looking for the negative, rather than the good points in a person. This courtesy, of looking for the good, should be given to everyone. It is also learned, and should be taught in schools. Ahh, what it would be like to live in a world where people do genuinely care for others. A lot do, so this is good (y) .

Unfortunately some of these negative people (I'm speaking generally not about anyone here, (y) ), need to change their thinking about themselves, this then opens up the way to be able to care for others and have empathy (including for Elvis) thinking of what makes sense, not what they are told through books. My point mainly refers to some of Elvis' so called "friends" who shared their experiences of their lives with him, through their projection of their life experience within their own minds, through their negative outlook and ultimately, their obvious jealousy.


Bang, crash, off my soap box too, lol

Jess

Merry
02-15-2007, 01:45 AM
Hello Jess, Sorry for the delay in replying. We were out most of the day.

"Peter Nazareth
Elvis as Anthology
Peter Nazareth, The University of Iowa

Elvis Presley was a twin whose twin brother was born dead. He twinned himself in much of his music with performers such as Mario Lanza, Jackie Wilson, LaVern Baker, Johnnie Ray, Ivory Joe Hunter, Chuck Willis, and others. Peter Nazareth has been teaching a class at the University of Iowa since 1992 entitled ?Elvis as Anthology? in which he demonstrates this ?twinning? by playing records, videos and movie clips and reading selected works of fiction and non-fiction. The purpose of the ?twinning? is complex: Elvis mirrors the other, sometimes drawing attention to the overlooked, at other times changing the meaning by reversing, turning it upside down or adding something to it. Sometimes he twins with himself. His purpose is to change the world, to move humanity to a higher level of consciousness. Elvis thus opened several doors ? and other artists passed through him such as John Lennon and El Vez, the Mexican American Elvis interpreter.


When Professor Nazareth first taught the class, there was a great deal of media attention ? World News Tonight with Peter Jennings, The Today Show, AP, UPI, As It Happens and National Public Radio being among the many who did stories or interviews: it is estimated that around 700 million worldwide found out about the class. One result was that the first person who played the part of the missing twin, Elvis?s first cousin Gene Smith, asked him to write the foreword to his book, Elvis?s Man Friday.


Professor Nazareth selects titles according to the interest of the particular audience: for example, ?Elvis, El Vez and Alice? (Alice Walker); ?Elvis Presley and Jackie Wilson?; ?Elvis and the Black Matrix?; ?Elvis as Multicultural Artist?; ?Elvis Presley and John Lennon.?


About the Speaker

Peter Nazareth is Professor of English and African American World Studies at the University of Iowa. A Goan, born in Uganda, educated at Leeds in England, Professor Nazareth studied at Yale shortly after the expulsion of Asians from Uganda under Idi Amin. He has published two novels and four books of literary criticism. He can be reached at (319) 354-1344, (319) 621-1133 or (319) 335-0448 and email address NazarethP@aol.com."

I have comminicated with Dr Peter Nazareth, and have a letter from him. We also spoke on the telephoe. He is a very clever guy. But I do not go along with all he says about Elvis.

I usually search Elvis Academics and find articles that interest me.

Elvis fans are very independent and often steadfastly cling to their own view of his career. But facts can get in the way somtimes and we are forced to face reality.

This thread has been an example of how a debate should proceed without the need for hysterical outbursts.

None of us have all the answers but it is very interesting exploring all aspects of the question. This is what a good Elvis message board is all about.

Ger Rijff on FECC is running into some trouble because he dared tell it as it is concerning Elvis. I'm of the same generation we are outspoken and bow to nobody.

It's our duty to inform other, mostly younger Elvis fans as best we can without threat or hindrance. If we are wrong in our views we will be out argued by logic. Logic demands an open mind.


Thanks Maurice for typing all of this out - wow... A University subject. I'm speechless, thank you for the information, though.

Kind wishes,
Jess

ajr
02-15-2007, 07:47 AM
I think Elvis will always be relevant ; at least to many and in the Music World. The hoopla may slow down ,with the passing of some. But, I believe Elvis will always be important for a whole generation and turning "the music" completely around.

My grandsons know who he is & recognize it when he sings. "Lilo & Stitch" brought Elvis to them. ;) {They're 5 and 6 years old} Let's hope the "dirt" some told will fade away, and the music will live on as his legacy.
It's the least we can give him.(y)

jak
02-15-2007, 11:40 AM
Apart from my little anecdotes about family members (who actually do not live in a vacuum, they have many aquaintances and friends who also like Elvis's music) We have seen Elvis mentioned on Radio Documentaries TV and in countless movies recently.

Just this second AYLT was played on EURO News TV shown in maybe seventeen countries including Russia. with a photo of Elvis advertising love songs...it's been on everyday for months!

Was Elvis relevant in the 50s ? Only to teenagers, the rest of the people thought he was a flash in the pan..a nine day wonder. Every decade Elvis is written off by media articles yet here we are :-)

Yes Elvis is indeed very relevant.

Happy St Valentines Day everyone. the coloured board looks well. Thanks TCB World. Nice touch.

Elvis was not relevant to just teenagers in the 50's.Here is the confusion Im talking about.I agree that a majority of older adults disregarded Elvis back then.However he was relevant to them because he was changing the society they lived in.You did not have to be a fan of Elvis Presley in the 50's to be affected by what he did.Even if you completely ignored him you were not immune from his influence.He changed what you heard on the radio and what you saw on tv.Elvis altered the course of history and nobody could avoid it.This is the true meaning of relevancy.Not popularity.I dont care if I see an Elvis calendar in a store everyday or hear ALLC 5 times a day.These things are nice but not culturally significant.To say he is even more relevant today than he ever was is an incredible statement.He was the catalyst back in the 50's and he is responsible for more change in popular culture than many realize.Since then others have contributed and popular culture has taken it's many twists and turns and things have certainly changed.Elvis was the first and greatest but he is no longer having an affect on the masses.
A word about remixes.ALLC benefited from a NIKE promotion along with the ELV1S album and the 25th anniverssary which was the pinnacle.Everything came together for that track and it benefited from that.The next attempt was Rubberneckin which most consider a flop.Lightning may not strike twice for a remix.Im not so sure a remix album would do that well.Im sure BMG thinks the same thing.Once again it all comes down to getting their money back on doing a project like that.If they thought it looked favorable they would do it without hesitation.
One last comment.Somebody mentioned about getting Elvis on MTV.This will never happen.These hopes are from the fans wearing the famous "rose colored glasses".VH1 use to air some Elvis stuff but they even stopped.Sorry guys but look at these realisticly.
Jak

MauriceColgan
02-15-2007, 12:47 PM
http://www.sheboygan-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070215/SHE04/702150410/1097/SHElife

A neat story above.

A dose of realism is seeing the Masses are not "The Masses" anymore. All aspects of entertainment have been so fragmented in recent decades no Star is Universally accepted as Elvis was and is..even across the continents.

The relaxation of the Eastern Bloc and China will see these people's affluence grow and the Elvis fans there will start to accumulate Elvis Music as we have before them, generating demand.

A Polish guy here is selling Elvis CDs to his compatriots at a busy market here. We have had a huge influx of Polish, Russian Latvian and Lithunians to Ireland because of our economic success lately. They are purchasing Elvis CDs AND DVDs now they can afford them.

In some respects Elvis get's a new Audience every decade. Most of the recent Polls by the media and websites has Elvis either winning or very close to the top. Strange?........not at all :)

The same applies to the likes of Beethoven. Is he not relevant because "The Masses" do not rush to buy his music, mostly because they say
they do not understand it? Or it is Boring!!!
Beethoven today is still regarded by many musicologists as the greatest composer ever. How relevant is that.

Back to Icons.
There is a very large and very heavy book available listing "The 200 Icons of the 20th Century". Most people would recognise the vast majority of them instantly.
Elvis is described by the author as, "The Stand Alone Icon of the 20th Century".

No other man in recent times has had the impact on people worldwide like Elvis had on the world of entertainment. That's why we are here still debating how relevant he is.

He remains very relevant indeed for that reason!

I'll have to get a larger soapbox. :blush:

jak
02-15-2007, 01:46 PM
Maurice
You stated Elvis is more relevant today than he ever was.Is it your posistion that the happenings in the Elvis world today are as important and influential as they were back in his heyday?
It's an amazing thing that Elvis has sustained so much popularity over the years.I think he's the only one that could accomplish it.He's always going to be around.He's always going to get new fans.However his fans tend to exaggerate his popularity today.Just ask yourself how many fans do you know outside this board or a fan club?How many of you younger people know Elvis fans at school or work with other fans?Im not trying to be negative but it's not realistic to think the majority of the world worships Elvis.We should treasure what he gave us but dont fool yourself into thinking he's impacting the world today like he did decades ago.
Jak

MauriceColgan
02-15-2007, 02:11 PM
I wouldn't say he was impacting the world like he did in the 50s...there again, we think as we write, there are countries discovering far more about Elvis as their economies create the wealth to purchase luxuries like CDs .

Within a few miles of here there are Two large very busy Elvis fan clubs which raise hundreds of thousand of Euros for Charity every year. There gatherings and doings often appear in the media, radio TV and newspapers etc.It would be a dense 7 year old who did not know who Elvis was....in the whole of Ireland. As for here in Swords our local newspaper has printed dozens of Elvis stories every year since 1997 when we first contacted them. :blush:

I think I already said there were large Elvis prints in our local shops and supermarket all over Christmas. Plenty of his music too. Ireland is an Elvis Hot Spot. We get millions of visitors here every year from all over the world they cannot but help glimpse Elvis all over the place. Like England we are a nation of shopkeepers :-)

Try saying, Elvis is irrelevant, to Hollywood :-)

Your experience may be valid in your location, but my experience is of large cities in the UK and Ireland in particular. Plus I hardly miss new Elvis stories on the web like the latest news from Hawaii which is already being picked up by the international media. Why would they bother if Elvis was old news?

One example of direct action. http://www.gigwise.com/news.asp?contentid=27974

ajr
02-15-2007, 03:40 PM
It's amazing to me that Elvis is so popular {& relevant ;) } all over the world. He never got to go to these other countries . Yet, other countries have more celebrations & honor him more than we do .{US}
I find that interesting; and in a way, sad.
Elvis is our native son; but we tend to take him for granted.

So, I agree with both sides of this discussion. I believe he's not so relevant here as he was, except to his fans . But, I can see that he is to others ,and I just can't explain that .

What is that saying ? A prophet is never welcome in his own land ?? {No religious intent meant}

lawdy_missclawdy
02-15-2007, 03:44 PM
I think that Elvis always will be relevant. He will never be forgotten. I became an Elvis fan about a year ago, 13 years old. Elvis and his music effects all generations, and it always will.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-15-2007, 04:14 PM
I think this thread is losing it's cogency! It seems to have lost a battle with Google hits and stories from around the world and statues? Stalin still has staues in Russia is he still relevant? You can go to college and learn Klingon. None of the above proves something is relevant. It may have been relevant but is it still relevant? I guess the word "Relevant" is proving difficult to summarise or quantify.

Knowing who someone is and whether they are relevant are two different questions, I don't want to belittle or run down Elvis in any way as his achievements speak for themselves in a very real way.

I was hoping for a philosophical debate rather than predictable defencive responses, I would like people to think out of the box and look at the bigger picture and give an unbiased response.

one of the best comments addressing the original post:-


I believe he's not so relevant here as he was, except to his fans. But, I can see that he is to others ,and I just can't explain that.

The questions in the original post seems to be lost, what are the answers in the foreseeable future given that the 30th Anniversary is bound to attract more publicity than you average year?

MauriceColgan
02-15-2007, 04:46 PM
A narrow American perspective not taking in the World view does not answer the question.

What is obvious to some often goes unrecognised by others. Stalin couldn't sing like Elvis and there is no recording of him on our airwaves.

Google is the Major search engine these days and the majority of Elvis stories arrive there almost every MINUTE. We cannot ignore the impact of Elvis as reported by the International media, whether it is about Elvis's latest music releases, Movies, the many Elvis Festivals worldwide, and yes, Statues and such that generate even more Elvis stories.

"The International Conference on Elvis Presley" by academics who studied Philosophy at University level and thought it worthwhile to launch a debate about Elvis in the modern world was proof enough for me that Elvis, even after his death, was still a very relevant entity indeed.

I have studied Philosophy all my adult life from the Ancient Greeks to todays notable intellectuals. The fact we are even dicussing this question has me a little confused. As far as I'm concerned Elvis Presley is of course relevant.

The logic of Socratese persists. :)

jak
02-15-2007, 05:41 PM
I think the comparison of Stalin and Bill Gates illustrate this thread perfectly.During his time Stalin was a major force.He will always be known and is still talked about.He is a major historical figure.Yet in today's world he is completely irrelevant.Bill Gates is someone whose face many around the world may not know.Some may not even know any details about him or are aware of what he has done.Yet his influence is unavoidable.He has changed society forever.Here is someone whose relevancy is only growing stronger as time goes on.What this demonstrates is that past accomplishments does not mean you will have a continuing effect on world.The same goes for Elvis.The fans love him but his explosion on the scene and greatest impact was 50 years ago.Get a bunch of high school school kids in a room and pop in the Sullivan dvd's or the Dorsey Brothers shows with Elvis.Then watch the ones that dont fall asleep make a stampede out the room.I know Elvis still gets new fans but his music and style does not have the impact it once did.Sinatra has a huge loyal following but it's the same for him.His influence was huge but his time has come and gone just like Elvis'.
Jak

MauriceColgan
02-15-2007, 06:19 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/MauriceColgan/ELAINE031.jpg

None of the participants at the Elvis Conference fell asleep. On the contrary they were enthralled.

Only dullards would fall asleep watching Elvis. His beauty and magnetism alone on the Ed Sullivan shows would transfix anyone with a brain.

The young girl from BMG Ireland who was not an Elvis fan and hardly knew anything about him went to Memphis (out of duty) with us in 1997 and watched the Elvis Concert. She was astonished that she could not keep her eyes off Elvis on the large screens. That's what she told us after the show.

I feel we will have to agree to disagree on this relevance question. There is no doubt in my mind Elvis remains a major influence on a great many young people. It's Likely to increase too.

ajr
02-15-2007, 06:29 PM
I have seen many great scholars try to explain Elvis' appeal. They never made any sense to me. The biggest thing to me is; he came and did what he was meant to do and be. It would be nice if we all just enjoyed what he left for us. He seemed a humble .loving man. He never found it necessary to brag on his accomplishments or tell others what to do or how to live.

He never asked or expected accolaides . He even said ;"I'm just an entertainer ." there is a difference in the man and the public personna that was forced on him. He was always uncomfortable with the title of "King."

Elvis' time is past {in my opinion} but he left a great legacy in his music. I think he'd be satisfied just knowing that some still care . Some will never forget him until their dying day. Others will just recognise his place in musical history and thank him.

It's not necessary ,IMO....to hold him up as something or someone more important than he is. We can just acknowledge his contribution. I think he'd be more comfortable with that. :)

MauriceColgan
02-15-2007, 06:43 PM
ajr, you could be right but somehow........

TV Land Celebrates Elvis
Top40-Charts.com, NY - 14 minutes ago
Performance specials - Elvis: '68 Comeback Special, Aloha From Hawaii, Elvis: the Great Performances and Ed Sullivan's Rock 'N' Roll Classics: Elvis Presley ...

Elvis Presley statue erected in Hawaii
NME.com, UK - 58 minutes ago
Speaking about the statue Mayor Mufi Hannemann said: "Elvis remains an idol and a hero to so many of us. Hawaii considers him an adopted son." ...

Elvis Presley To 'Forever Remain A Part of Hawaii's Identity'
Starpulse.com, CT - 1 hour ago
Music legend Elvis Presley is to be immortalized in bronze, when a statue is erected in Hawaii this August to mark the 30th anniversary of the singer's ...

Statue of Elvis going up in Hawaii to commemorate historic 1973 ...
KOMO, WA - 2 hours ago
HONOLULU (AP) - Elvis Presley fans will soon have a place in the islands to fondly remember why they couldn't help falling in love with the star of "Blue ...

Elvis Presley statue going up in Hawaii
Hinesberg Journal, Canada - 2 hours ago
HONOLULU - Elvis Presley fans will soon have a place in the islands to fondly remember why they couldn?t help falling in love with the star of "Blue Hawaii. ...

TV Land planning life-sized statue of Elvis in Hawaii
Houston Chronicle, TX - 2 hours ago
HONOLULU ? Elvis Presley fans will soon have a place in the islands to fondly remember why they couldn't help falling in love with the star of Blue Hawaii. ...

Statue to commemorate historic Hawaii Elvis concert
KPUA, HI - 2 hours ago
HONOLULU (AP) _ A life-size bronze statue of Elvis Presley is slated to be unveiled this July in front of the Neal Blaisdell Center in Honolulu. ...

Elvis Presley statue going up in Hawaii
Leading The Charge, Australia - 2 hours ago
HONOLULU - Elvis Presley fans will soon have a place in the islands to fondly remember why they couldn?t help falling in love with the star of "Blue Hawaii. ...

Elvis Presley statue going up in Hawaii
Herald News Daily, ND - 2 hours ago
HONOLULU - Elvis Presley fans will soon have a place in the islands to fondly remember why they couldn?t help falling in love with the star of "Blue Hawaii. ...

Elvis Presley statue going up in Hawaii
Meadow Free Press, ID - 2 hours ago
HONOLULU - Elvis Presley fans will soon have a place in the islands to fondly remember why they couldn?t help falling in love with the star of "Blue Hawaii. ...

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ajr
02-15-2007, 07:33 PM
To me.....it's kinda like having a funeral.
It's done for the ones that are still here. The one not here could care less .;)

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-15-2007, 07:34 PM
A narrow American perspective not taking in the World view does not answer the question.

I think the above comment is both understating and over estimating in the same sentence ;)


What is obvious to some often goes unrecognised by others. Stalin couldn't sing like Elvis and there is no recording of him on our airwaves.

Elitist and flippant


Google is the Major search engine these days and the majority of Elvis stories arrive there almost every MINUTE. We cannot ignore the impact of Elvis as reported by the International media, whether it is about Elvis's latest music releases, Movies, the many Elvis Festivals worldwide, and yes, Statues and such that generate even more Elvis stories.

Google is a major source of information you can even find thousands of pages for academy award winner Victor McLaglen ;)


"The International Conference on Elvis Presley" by academics who studied Philosophy at University level and thought it worthwhile to launch a debate about Elvis in the modern world was proof enough for me that Elvis, even after his death, was still a very relevant entity indeed.

This statement implies they have no degree, I have :D


I have studied Philosophy all my adult life from the Ancient Greeks to todays notable intellectuals. The fact we are even discussing this question has me a little confused. As far as I'm concerned Elvis Presley is of course relevant.

The logic of Socratese persists. :)

Socrates is is widely credited for laying the foundation for Western Philosophy! Are we not have a philosophical debate?

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-15-2007, 07:40 PM
I have seen many great scholars try to explain Elvis' appeal. They never made any sense to me. The biggest thing to me is; he came and did what he was meant to do and be. It would be nice if we all just enjoyed what he left for us. He seemed a humble .loving man. He never found it necessary to brag on his accomplishments or tell others what to do or how to live.

He never asked or expected accolaides . He even said ;"I'm just an entertainer ." there is a difference in the man and the public personna that was forced on him. He was always uncomfortable with the title of "King."

Elvis' time is past {in my opinion} but he left a great legacy in his music. I think he'd be satisfied just knowing that some still care . Some will never forget him until their dying day. Others will just recognise his place in musical history and thank him.

It's not necessary ,IMO....to hold him up as something or someone more important than he is. We can just acknowledge his contribution. I think he'd be more comfortable with that. :)

I like this kind of logic, niether flippant nor trite and tells me more about the person posting rather than quoting dry statistics (y)

Suspicious Minds
02-15-2007, 07:53 PM
A lot of fans have never been to University and don't know what philosophy is all about. This is an Elvis Forum and not a scholars debate. The answers to this question has lost the plot.:hmm:

MauriceColgan
02-15-2007, 07:59 PM
Well I cannot use the quote boxes like you.

Bu I am not the kind to make flippant replies. Nor am I elitest.

Chadwick I think has three Degrees. Many more of the participants in the Conferences over the years have degrees too , but I dont think Ger Rijff has one nor Ernest Jorgensen and many other Elvis fans who took part and submitted Essays to the Elvis Conference. It's was a very democratic gathering.

Yes there are many pages about all sorts of things on google.com But I'm talking about daily news reports about Elvis...hundreds of them some days from all over the world.

There appears to be no meeting of minds here. :) I'm not sure we will ever agree about this matter so I'll call it a day.

You win. But maybe you don't. Time will tell anyway wont it? :)

Let's keep things on a humuorous level Elvis may be looking in. No I don't believe he is. I'm an atheist.

If you do not understand my sense of humour what can I do do about it.?

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-15-2007, 08:10 PM
A lot of fans have never been to University and don't know what philosophy is all about. This is an Elvis Forum and not a scholars debate. The answers to this question has lost the plot.:hmm:

I agree, I have been to university, this does not make me more or less of a fan, It's all to do with preference not academia.

I wanted the debate to be around feelings which would be more heart felt rather than statistics, Elvis is not about statistics, you either get it or you don't :!:

You can't tap into a computer and ask it what makes an Elvis fan.

The original question is about relevance, William Shakespeare is relevant, Beethoven is relevant to children's lives because they are taught about him, this is probably not the case for many children with regards to Elvis.

I just wanted to know how people felt and maybe a bit of truth and honesty!

Matt

ajr
02-15-2007, 08:20 PM
I know all kinds of Academia's . Elvis had only a high school education , but he understood people better than any of the so called "smart people." It doesn't take a brain to understand him & all he tried to do; just a heart.

It's best "not to brag on oneself " as your friends will become few because of boredom....;)

Feelings are hard to explain & even harder to confess sometimes.
We'll keep working on it ....:) Ciao....

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-15-2007, 08:25 PM
Well I cannot use the quote boxes like you.

Bu I am not the kind to make flippant replies. Nor am I elitest.

Chadwick I think has three Degrees. Many more of the participants in the Conferences over the years have degrees too , but I dont think Ger Rijff has one nor Ernest Jorgensen and many other Elvis fans who took part and submitted Essays to the Elvis Conference. It's was a very democratic gathering.

Yes there are many pages about all sorts of things on google.com But I'm talking about daily news reports about Elvis...hundreds of them some days from all over the world.

There appears to be no meeting of minds here. :) I'm not sure we will ever agree about this matter so I'll call it a day.

You win. But maybe you don't. Time will tell anyway wont it? :)

Let's keep things on a humuorous level Elvis may be looking in. No I don't believe he is. I'm an atheist.

If you do not understand my sense of humour what can I do do about it.?

Maurice, I will never take a debate (and it is a debate) to a personal level. I get what you are saying, I do get your humour. What I really want to hear is the person behind the statistics, more heart felt than "This is what I found on Google" I know you really care about Elvis, as do we all! I know what Elvis means to you personally and how you have gone to great lengths to raise awareness.

There must be some part of you that acknowledges that no matter how much Elvis means to us as fans, his popularity must be measured in years, there has to be a barometer. At this moment in time Elvis' profile is riding high due to the 30th anniversary. I will take nothing away from Elvis' talents they are timeless and numerous but we live in a microcosm of Elvis mania, we seek out the king....... do others feel the same way in the general populace as they did 50 years ago?

MauriceColgan
02-15-2007, 08:41 PM
Surely that is a case of, "It goes without saying". Do Elvis fans really have to explain their own feelings for Elvis and his music? We are here are we not because of his music. All the rest is opinion based on opinion as Eileen Batterby pointed out in her excellent article on Elvis in the Irish Times.


The real truth always surfaces in the end, that has been my experience searching for it all my adult life.

There are far too few here debating the question for us to come to any firm answer to the question.

It's a huge Elvis world out there. I for one am very glad to be a part of it. Elvis enriched my life not only way back in the 50s but through every decade since.

Especially in recent years!

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-15-2007, 08:43 PM
I know all kinds of Academia's . Elvis had only a high school education , but he understood people better than any of the so called "smart people." It doesn't take a brain to understand him & all he tried to do; just a heart.

It's best "not to brag on oneself " as your friends will become few because of boredom....;)

Feelings are hard to explain & even harder to confess sometimes.
We'll keep working on it ....:) Ciao....

I have never mentioned about my degree in the 3 years I have been on TCB nor the job I do. A degree doesn't make you clever, my spelling is still terable and it won't make my hair grow back :lmfao: sorry if I have offended, it was ment to be a joke :doh:

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-15-2007, 08:45 PM
Moving on............. does anyone want an Ice cream :whistling

MauriceColgan
02-15-2007, 08:53 PM
:) Vanilla please.

ajr
02-15-2007, 09:28 PM
I have never mentioned about my degree in the 3 years I have been on TCB nor the job I do. A degree doesn't make you clever, my spelling is still terable and it won't make my hair grow back :lmfao: sorry if I have offended, it was ment to be a joke :doh:

No offense taken.....I wasn't talking about you.
Just people that can't seem to help bragging on themselves.
When all questions/discussions pertain to Elvis ??

I know a lot of degreed folks that are pretty stupid ;)
Sure, and I'm one of them.......ha !!
Peace out ........

KPM
02-15-2007, 10:57 PM
Maybe the question should be "Is Elvis the driving force in rock music today?"
To me that is the same as "Is Elvis a relevant force in rock music today?"
The answer has to be no.
"Are the Beatles a driving force in music today?" The answer would have to be no.
"Is Frank Sinatra a driving force in music today?" No.
But all of them will never be forgotton, and it does not change the music they made, or the contributions to the world they made. They will all continue to gain new fans but not at a pace of the latest trends or fads of newer music as it comes along.

Merry
02-15-2007, 11:29 PM
I know this seems like a daft question coming from an Elvis Fan and asking the question on an Elvis message board but is Elvis as relevant today as he was 30-50 years ago. I know this subject has been touched on in various other threads but never as a subject in it's own right.

some questions to consider.......

Has Elvis become just a figurehead of EPE/Sillerman in a quest to sell an Image and not concentrate on the man or his music?

Is Elvis relevant to the teens and twenty-somethings in todays society, does his music reach them in sufficient numbers?

Where do you see Elvis' future going, do you think that he will just end up being a figure head like Colonel Sanders for KFC?

Elvis is relevant in my life and in turn this makes him relevant to my family. I don't kid myself that my family would ever have the same reverence that I have but if I was to pop off tomorrow I think they would still listen to the odd song, but would they buy a DVD or CD?

As a fans do we tend to overstate Elvis' relevance in todays society because of who we are and how we feel about Elvis, do we become overprotective of the man.

I don't doubt Elvis' popularity In certain areas of the world, Memphis is a prime example, he is their son and still generates lots of tourists and $$$.


MattRelevant: bearing upon or connected with the matter in hand; pertinent: a relevant remark.


Yes, Elvis is relevant. His music lives on, as our blood runs through our children's veins from generation to generation, as does Elvis' music run through the veins of those whom he has inspired, through his music, including other musicians. As it the nature of music, or something that someone loves to do.

The original questions outlining this topic are tangibles. The question re Elvis
being "relevant" is an intangible, because it is a feeling, not a logical happening or circumstance.

"Has Elvis become a figurehead of EPE........." Yes he has to them, but not his fans. We aren't Elvis fans to make money, we are Elvis' fans because of the pleasure he gives us, through his music.

"Is Elvis relevant to the teens.......:" As human beings, our tastes change through life experience. As adults, generally speaking, we don't conform to be like everyone else, as do teenagers and our younger generation in their early 20's. So this question, could be premature. I know that as a child, I didn't like most classical music, as I wasn't exposed to it. As an adult, I do, and I can appreciate classical music, as I have matured.

"Where do you see Elvis' future"....... I feel Elvis' fans will always look after him. Elvis' music, because he didn't conform with others, is " classic" and doesn't age with time.

I'm not concerned if my son buys Elvis' music or not. Elvis gave and still does, give me pleasure, they are my memories. If someone else enjoys his music as well, fine, if not, they may change their mind as they mature, it doesn't matter. There will always be people who love his music. (I am lucky, my son doesn't conform, he is his own person, and he does love Elvis' music).

Giving statistics to prove otherwise? They are obviously there. Besides that, Jumpsuit Junkie, to me this is a mute point. Elvis' music stands up on it's own, for itself, and always will.

Are you aware that some has been translated to Latin for Church Services?

There you go, lol

Jess

P.S. Great questions.

Merry
02-15-2007, 11:51 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/MauriceColgan/ELAINE031.jpg

None of the participants at the Elvis Conference fell asleep. On the contrary they were enthralled.

Only dullards would fall asleep watching Elvis. His beauty and magnetism alone on the Ed Sullivan shows would transfix anyone with a brain.

The young girl from BMG Ireland who was not an Elvis fan and hardly knew anything about him went to Memphis (out of duty) with us in 1997 and watched the Elvis Concert. She was astonished that she could not keep her eyes off Elvis on the large screens. That's what she told us after the show.

I feel we will have to agree to disagree on this relevance question. There is no doubt in my mind Elvis remains a major influence on a great many young people. It's Likely to increase too.



Maurice, while I agree with you re "His beauty and magnetism alone on the Ed Sullivan shows would transfix anyone with a brain" Elvis had more than this.

I'm speaking to the converted, lol, but there are a lot of beautiful people in the world. What was the main force within Elvis, his magnetism, was that his intentions were always good, (yes he could be a challenge, but that makes him not boring, lol). Elvis cared for others, he had a high Emotional IQ, which would be rare, I would think, in the circles he had to keep company in, and with others, of celebrity status.

This to me, is perhaps why he may have felt alone. He was a man before his time. This is also, why he is relevant.

Jess

Diane
02-16-2007, 12:50 AM
Jess, (y) (y) (y)

jak
02-16-2007, 01:43 AM
Maybe the question should be "Is Elvis the driving force in rock music today?"
To me that is the same as "Is Elvis a relevant force in rock music today?"
The answer has to be no.
"Are the Beatles a driving force in music today?" The answer would have to be no.
"Is Frank Sinatra a driving force in music today?" No.
But all of them will never be forgotton, and it does not change the music they made, or the contributions to the world they made. They will all continue to gain new fans but not at a pace of the latest trends or fads of newer music as it comes along.

Well said(y)

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-16-2007, 01:49 AM
Now we are cooking on gas (y) thank you Jess, Jak & KPM

Merry
02-16-2007, 02:17 AM
Maybe the question should be "Is Elvis the driving force in rock music today?"
To me that is the same as "Is Elvis a relevant force in rock music today?"
The answer has to be no.
"Are the Beatles a driving force in music today?" The answer would have to be no.
"Is Frank Sinatra a driving force in music today?" No.
But all of them will never be forgotton, and it does not change the music they made, or the contributions to the world they made. They will all continue to gain new fans but not at a pace of the latest trends or fads of newer music as it comes along.


LOL, after Jumpsuite Junkie's reply, I realised I may have to reply to you, if that's o.k.?

I usually leave people to their opinions, as we all have them, but this isn't the point of this thread? :D

With all due respect, and again, only my opinion, a lot of the artists today were inspired by Elvis, and still look up to him. Granted, Elvis isn't a driving force in rock music today, (but this wasn't the question). However, :supriced: I have extra words today, and a broken arm, my left hand is getting quite good at this typing, lol.

I would also like to qualify my comments. I'm not in the industry, I am only speaking from observation, so please take this into consideration.

Rock music today has evolved to what the younger musicians feel they have evolved it towards, to be "their music" which is what we'd want for them.

Elvis had that extra "something" that neither Frank nor the Beatles had (Yeah the Beatles wrote "Something" but that is different.....:clap: .......:blink: lol).

"but not at a pace of the latest trends or fads of newer music as it comes along"

There is something that is very relevant here, that hasn't been thought of, with regard to your comment above. What about all the bands that were the latest trends or fads of newer music? How many of those are gone and forgotten, were one hit wonders?

How many of them had a varied career (movies as well) spanning twenty years, then another thirty (fifty all up) as Elvis does?

I can think of Jon Bon Jovi being in movies, he is an excellent musician, and I enjoy his acting. How many others are there? (I'm from Australia, so there may be others, I can't think of any though?).

Is the gas still on?

I'm going to have a Cappacino, lol, with some yummy chocolate powder.

Jess

KPM
02-16-2007, 03:40 AM
Well I think what we are really having a problem with is what the word relevant means. To me it is as I stated earlier. I feel Elvis is hard for a lot of young people to relate to -if they can not relate to him then to them he is not relevant. I believe he was the greatest entertainer who ever lived-chrisma, vocal talent, personality, the whole nine yards. But obviously a majority of young people do not see it that way. Some do but not the majority.
When Rubberneckins remix came out the video was hardly played on MTV or VH1. I e-mailed them about why they were not running it and they said, "Theres just very little interest in it"
My daughter subscribes to Blender magazine, a more youth oriented Rolling Stone to me. I have noticed articles on the Beatles but hardly any on Elvis, but what has bothered me is when he is mentioned it has always seemed less than flatterring. When new groups or artists are asked in it who are their influences-he is just not mentioned much. Now go back to the 60s, 70s, and even 80s he was mentioned in this respect alot. Bono acknowledges Elvis (and U2 is still huge,) but the really new bands do not list him as a hero. Even Springstein is not as relevant today as he was in his heydey, even though he is still very successful. You are right that fads and trends do not last -but they are relevant to the times they are in.

In a lot of ways Elvis is relevant, but not in terms of how I took this question-
"Is he today a driving force in rock music?"
If he were still alive and recording perhaps he would be, but he is not. Since I did not author the question I can not say how it was exactly meant but thats how I took it. Finally I would point out that to alot of people the Beatles did have something special, they wrote some of the greatest rock and pop ever written, were chrismatic and took rock to the next step. To many (I am not one of them so do not take this next statement wrong) they are considered bigger than Elvis.
I love Elvis, he has given me many hours of peace and enjoyment thru his music. It is no reflection on his talent, nor his life or legacy when I voice my opinion on things like this. He was and is the "Big Bang" of rock music-and for every big bang the ripples get smaller the further they get away from that initial explosion-but they continue forever!!

Merry
02-16-2007, 04:27 AM
[QUOTE=KPM;97974]Well I think what we are really having a problem with is what the word relevant means. QUOTE]


LOL KPM,

"Relevant: bearing upon or connected with the matter in hand; pertinent: a relevant remark."

Elvis inspires or has inspired our musicians of today = connected with the matter at hand (relevant).


I recall when "Rubberneckin'" came out, a very close friend of mine looked at me and said: "you are an Elvis fan, we are too, now!" lol. "Rubberneckin' was played a lot on the radio, which was great, although I didn't like the new mix as much, lol. Great to see it, though. I remember also watching "Lilo and Stitch" with my little boy, enjoying Elvis' music in the movie, enjoying my little one's reaction.

The new Elvis fans, when "Rubberneckin" was re-released, included my friend's extended family, her children, (who were around 10 and 12 at the time) plus the girls next door to them, who were teenagers at the time. They really made a huge fuss, it was lovely. Surprisingly, her husband also said that he had played in some gigs "Elvis The Concert" and doing covers over the years, and has turned into a fan. He looked at me and said "I like Elvis' music". This was big comment for him, lol, huge! He is jaded from all his gigs, lol.

Perhaps it depends on who one's friends or circles they are in, too, as to how they are exposed to Elvis' music? To be honest, the friends of mine whom I am speaking about, were re-introduced to Elvis (in their 30's the time) are working professional musicians, trained at the Conservatorium of Music here in Australia, so perhaps my exposure is different? They are also Classically trained.

Now is the time, where I shall go to my corner. If I may add, watching Youtube, there have been rock stars and celebrities who have quoted Elvis as being one whom they look up to; these clips have been taped in the last few years. (Britney Spears, Robbie Williams, there are others, I can't recall at the moment).

I would like to add that in my opinion (which could be wrong) is that a lot of what is in magazines you are talking about, would be whomever promotes The Stones, presuming said promotion would be more active than the "old EPE"?.

It is refreshing to be able to express one's opinion, without the sinking feeling of someone abusing another, and to be able to read what other's say, and know one can speak again, another day!

Think I've run out of opinions, lol

Kind wishes,
Jess

Merry
02-16-2007, 07:07 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200612/influentials

Have a squiz at No. 66.

Jess

MauriceColgan
02-16-2007, 08:00 AM
Hi Jess, Good find. I commented on that poll maybe 6 weeks ago on the American Heritage page.

Having soaked up all the viewpoints on this thread there is far more that unites us than divides us.

In a manner of speaking we are ALL right. Elvis has just so many facets he satisfies us all in many ways. Elvis at 66 above means some voted him higher :-) One I took to task had him at 98 or somewhere near that!

This article below gives us a taste of the why of it all.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=717 My wife and I had a cruise on the Potomac river Washington DC September 2000.

Suspicious Minds
02-16-2007, 10:00 AM
If Elvis was the driving force of music of today the answer would be no.
Elvis was the driving force of music in the 50's, the early and late 60's and the early 70's. Most groups or single singers wanted to be like Elvis in away after seeing Elvis on screen or on stage. Elvis may not lead the music field today but he still sells records by the milions 30 years after his death.
All there is in the charts today is boy and girl bands.:hmm:

MauriceColgan
02-16-2007, 10:29 AM
Elvis was on the BBC's Top of the Pops in the UK just a couple of years ago and his singles were in the singles rack at HMV and Tower records where teenagers congregate en masse.

Wasn't "Heartbreak Hotel" in the American singles chart last year? The teenagers may not have bought them but they couldn't miss them and maybe paused for thought?

There are always exceptons to the rule although I don't think Elvis is a Driving force either.

Once again may I remind people certain things "Go without saying" otherwise our posts would be many pages long if we had to express our total thoughts on the subject. And I type with one finger!

I hope people will read the WASHINGTON DC article above it's getting a very warm reception elsewhere.

jak
02-16-2007, 11:47 AM
Even though I am on the side that believes Elvis is not a relevant force in today's culture,dont mistake this for denying his stature.We all know he's still a legend and he always will be.However this does not mean you have a continuing effect on the world.Today's artist's are inspired by other people than Presley.After 30 years of his absence you have many people who were not exposed to him.Wall calendars and statues cannot take the place of the person creating his art and exacting their influence by their actions.Elvis is more of a commodity now than a musical influence.Elvis talent was to great to be ignored and people will always discover it.It's just that his music wont make a difference anymore.It wont change or influence pop culture.The social relevance of Elvis' career are long past.It's the youth of the world that steer pop culture in whatever direction it takes.Just like when Elvis galvanized the young people back in the 50's.In today's world Elvis is so far removed from that role he's hopelessly out of touch.Im sorry guys but if you think droves of young people are flocking to Elvis you are sadly mistaken.
Jak

MauriceColgan
02-16-2007, 02:15 PM
Noel Gallagher says Sting and Geldoff are irrelevant. Guess who he says HE could be bigger than?

Story on the link.

http://people.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1264600.php/Noels_Elvis_boast

The story is all over the entertainment news. :)

Wendy56
02-16-2007, 07:08 PM
Guess I'll read the "Raised on Rock" reply... :P But something I'm sure of is this: Elvis is relevant! He's an icon. Many countries around the world have millions of fans. And if Elvis weren't relevant, then how can you explain the growing of fans comunity. I mean, every year appear new young fans over the planet (?) :cool:

KPM
02-16-2007, 07:51 PM
There is no debate about Elvis and his stature in music history, nor his talent, nor his chrisma. But this is a fact:
MTV/VH1 just would not play the Rubberneckin video. I heard Rubberneckin twice on radio, but heard ALLC dozens of times when it was big. Top of the Pops did have ALLC at #1 for I think 4 weeks in 2002 and several Elvis songs have gone to #1 in Britain since then. But a #1 single now does not mean millions in sales like the 50s 60s & 70s. I recall Heartbreak Hotel was #1 in sales early 2006 but it had sold only 26,000 copies. ALLC has not been issued gold and it was a huge worldwide hit.
Elvis is very relevant to his fans(us) we get it! He was the spark and we see everyway he has affected music, fashion, the world. He is the model for the word "Superstar" He is an icon,a legend. But even though the last few years have been very good in the Elvis world. The newest bands are not wearing their hair Elvis style, nor is the rockabilly sound the sound to strive for in new music. As I said if in Blender mag or even Rolling Stone mag you would here from these young bands in interviews:
" oh well Elvis is who inspired me to play" you would see a relevance for todays music and EP, but I have looked for a couple years in this Blender mag since my daughter subscribed and it just is not being said. When he is mentioned they usually comment on his Sun records and early RCA music.
You would not believe some of the names who are mentioned -Prince, Micheal JAckson, Sting, Mellencamp- then ones a little more expected John Lennon, Clapton, McCartney, Dave Matthews etc. But rarely Elvis -it is sad.
I wish they would see beyond the white suit and "Thank you, Thank You very much" but sadly many do not.
My niece got married and her husband came for Christmas dinner a few years ago, they are in their 20s. We were watching the 68 special. He watched and after a few minutes he said,
"You know he is hypnotic to watch, you just automatically look at him when hes on the screen"
So he did see what we all see the chrisma-but he did not run out and buy some new Elvis videos or cds, or plan a trip to Graceland. He did not decide to buy a book and read up on Elvis. He did not start telling his buddys ,
"Hey you need to catch this guy Elvis on video hes great"
I also enjoy being able to give an opinion and not be attacked for it, so please do not think I am sure 100% I am right. Its a big world and what is very relevant in one area or country or even state may not be elsewhere.
I guess being relevant is in itself-a relevant thing. Ha ha

MauriceColgan
02-16-2007, 08:04 PM
This may surprise some considering the dates.

"The top ten artists 1955-99 are:

1. Elvis Presley 8,067
2. The Beatles 4,703
3. Elton John 4,473
4. Madonna 3,717
5. Stevie Wonder 3,707
6. Michael Jackson 3,316
7. The Rolling Stones 3,138
8. Paul McCartney / Wings 2,983
9. Mariah Carey 2,909
10. Aretha Franklin 2,845" (Recent Source FECC 2nd to Elvis thread)

1999! Not so long ago huh?

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-16-2007, 08:11 PM
This may surprise some considering the dates.

"The top ten artists 1955-99 are:

1. Elvis Presley 8,067
2. The Beatles 4,703
3. Elton John 4,473
4. Madonna 3,717
5. Stevie Wonder 3,707
6. Michael Jackson 3,316
7. The Rolling Stones 3,138
8. Paul McCartney / Wings 2,983
9. Mariah Carey 2,909
10. Aretha Franklin 2,845" (Recent Source FECC 2nd to Elvis thread)

1999! Not so long ago huh?

Hi Maurice, What do the numbers represent?

Hi KPM - Great post I enjoyed reading what you had to say (y)

Matt

MauriceColgan
02-16-2007, 08:25 PM
Matt, I believe it's weeks in the charts. But if you like I'll copy and paste the whole message from FECC by Claus?

Here it is

Claus



Joined: 18 Oct 2003
Posts: 225

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject:

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Deke Rivers II wrote:
Thanks Claus for that link for the Everly Brother information.

Btw, my info came from The Fifth Edition of Joel Whitburn's Top Pop Singles 1955-1986 from 1987. Strikes me as strange that information such as this from '55 to '59 would change that much between 1987 and 2000 (apparently new sales figures are figured in??). Does your list have the points for each artist that you have in the Top Ten?

I love those Joel Whitburn books but at $80 to $90 dollars (Hardback edition) they ought to be great.


The points look like this:

1. Elvis Presley 3,324
2. Pat Boone 2,462
3. Perry Como 1,754
4. Fats Domino 1,389
5. Ricky Nelson 1,373
6. The Platters 1,240
7. Nat "King" Cole 1,230
8. The Everly Brothers 1,049
9. Frank Sinatra 1,028
10. The McGuire Sisters 989

Here is how the points are awarded:

#1 = 100 points for its first week at #1, plus 10 points for each additional week at #1
#2 = 90 points for its first week at #2 plus 5 points for each additional week at #2
#3 = 80 points for its first week at #3 plus 3 points for each additional week at #3
#4-5 = 70 points
#6-10 = 60 points
#11-20 = 50 points
#21-30 = 45 points
#31-40 = 40 points

The top ten artists 1955-99 are:

1. Elvis Presley 8,067
2. The Beatles 4,703
3. Elton John 4,473
4. Madonna 3,717
5. Stevie Wonder 3,707
6. Michael Jackson 3,316
7. The Rolling Stones 3,138
8. Paul McCartney / Wings 2,983
9. Mariah Carey 2,909
10. Aretha Franklin 2,845

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-16-2007, 09:20 PM
Thanks Maurice (y)

KPM
02-16-2007, 10:36 PM
The list shows how well Elvis has done over his career, He is ranked the #1artist of the 50s, #2 for the 60s and 11th for the 70s even though he died 3 years before the decade was over. I do not know for sure about the 80s and 90s.

Its my understanding of this point system that in the late 80s Billboard changed its way of ranking the top songs. It had somehing to do with not just sales but radio airplays. Now a song can be the top selling song in the country for sales but is not considered the top song accross the country.
This is a list of rock era artists, from 1955 on, but the all time point leader, according to Wayne Schmidt at his web site called This and That, is Bing Crosby- he says Bing Crosby's top-30 total is 27,465 points using the same method for the 55-99 list. Crosbys had many chart records from the late 20s into the 60s. His site gives a very biased comparison of Elvis and Crosby. I am not sure of record sales he claims for Crosby since Crosbys hey day was during the depression and people surely had little money for records durings that 10 years. Crosby had a 50 year plus career of recordings where as Elvis had under a 25 year recording career while alive. He downplays the huge gold and platinum award totals Elvis has, by saying they did not give those awards during Bings time.

Merry
02-17-2007, 01:33 AM
Makes one lose respect for one's words upfront, (Schmidt) if when reporting something, they don't try to give an overall picture. It is then useless info, lol.

Jess

jak
02-17-2007, 02:09 AM
This may surprise some considering the dates.

"The top ten artists 1955-99 are:

1. Elvis Presley 8,067
2. The Beatles 4,703
3. Elton John 4,473
4. Madonna 3,717
5. Stevie Wonder 3,707
6. Michael Jackson 3,316
7. The Rolling Stones 3,138
8. Paul McCartney / Wings 2,983
9. Mariah Carey 2,909
10. Aretha Franklin 2,845" (Recent Source FECC 2nd to Elvis thread)

1999! Not so long ago huh?

This is very misleading.Elvis is ranked high because of what he has done in the past.The same goes for many others on the list.Elvis wasnt riding high on the charts even in the 70's when he was making new music.
Jak

Merry
02-17-2007, 03:17 AM
The statistics from the TCB members' pole should be observed, too (y)

Jess

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-17-2007, 09:18 AM
A little bit of trivia :)

The 25th anniversary of Elvis Presley's death has ensured The King remains top of the list of the biggest-earning dead celebrities.

The late star, who died on 16 August 1977, earned $37m (?24m) in the past year as fans continue to snap up his music and merchandise.
Influential US business website Forbes.com has compiled its second list of the 13 most profitable dead celebrities under the heading Earnings from the Crypt.
The top four from last year remain unchanged with Peanuts cartoonist Charles Shultz's estate valued at more than $28m (?18.2m), a rise of more than ?8m on 2001, putting him at number two.
He is followed by John Lennon and racing driver Dale Earnhardt, both on $20m (?13m).
Impersonations
The number one remix of Presley's single, A Little Less Conversation, his 18th UK chart-topper, ensured he stayed at the top of the earnings league.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1690000/images/_1693160_harrison150.jpg George Harrison died in November 2001



Sales of his album have reached the 100 million mark, according to the Recording Association of America (RIAA), as records such as Heart and Soul, The Rock 'n' Roll Era, and It's Christmas Time continue to sell.
A new four-CD box set, Elvis Today, Tomorrow and Forever, is due to be released in the US in September.
The announcement comes as a poll in the US found that 71 million adults consider themselves to be Presley fans, with 70% having watched at least one of his movies.
It also discovered that more than 17 million Americans had at some point impersonated The King and one in 10 has visited his Graceland home. There are several new entries in this year's Forbes chart including former Beatle George Harrison, who died from cancer in November, 2001.

KPM
02-17-2007, 08:12 PM
Great Trivia!(y)
Kurt Cobain was the # 1 deceased earner this last year, but only because of a one time sale of part of his catalogue by his wife I read. I'm sure Elvis will be back on top in 2007

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-17-2007, 09:58 PM
Great Trivia!(y)
Kurt Cobain was the # 1 deceased earner this last year, but only because of a one time sale of part of his catalogue by his wife I read. I'm sure Elvis will be back on top in 2007

I liked some of Nivarna's music but Kurt Cobain was way to miserable, now the King was Cool and liked to be cool. Cool = Happy (y)

Raised on Rock
02-18-2007, 04:47 AM
Relevance... Shakespeare is relevant cause he was influential, he had an impact not only on literature but in the way we experience reality, now today no writer wants to make theather the way Shakespeare did, many other great ones had lived after him, now there are two kinds of being influential on literature, (well there could be 84,000 but being practical I'll say there are two) as someone who right now ir very recently made an impact on our ways to understand our world and our inner self, and so his way of writing, of creating became the trend for doing literature,the one that is relevant today, but in time someone else will overcome that trend, yet the previous authors will remain as influential and shall became relevant, in the means that because of the seed we got the tree and because of the tree we got the apple, so any time we chew the apple we are getting something from the tree and the seed, number two it reamins influential because history could be revisited a hundred of times in search of new refreshing ideas as well as to understand the current trends and break into new ground by doing that.

So Shakespeare is no longer influential or relevant if we mean nobody wants to create using the forms he showed to us, but it is both influential and relevant cause today trends do own something at least in a remote way to SHakespeare writen word, and thats why we today still study his works and more than anything, a Shakespeare work can still awake a range of emotions in our society.

During the the 50's and early to mid 60's any rock and roll band wanted to be Elvis, today hardly we can find a rock band that wants to be Elvis, but if they are a good rock band, you can find a lot of Elvis in them, even, and thats the big deal, even if they don´t know, and thats a way of being influential. Plus Elvis was not only about rock and roll, it was about singing and performing, and if we go to the pop scene, there are still and bunch of singers, pop stars that quotes Elvis as an inmediate influence, that's they want to be like Elvis in the way Lennon or Dylan did, even if they music is not rock and roll Elvis at all, and thats odd cause even if Elvis did a lot of great stuff doing many kinds of music, it was in Rock and roll the big impact and changes he did, it turns out that those pop hits from the early 60's that were not at all revolutinary in the way his music iin the 50's was, its now being influential in a way in the pop scene.

So is Elvis relevant and influential? I think it still is, but not in the way of a lot of teenagers trying to imitate his ways, or a lot musicians sounding or wanting to sound like him or being evidently derivative of Elvis, he is relevant, but that relevance and influence doesn't really have to do a lot with having a number one via a remix or a Bob Sillyman taking his chance making a lot of money doing amazing marketing with an historic icon but doing nothing in a direct way for his work of art.

Menwithbrokenhearts
02-18-2007, 10:28 AM
Relevance... Shakespeare is relevant cause he was influential, he had an impact not only on literature but in the way we experience reality, now today no writer wants to make theather the way Shakespeare did, many other great ones had lived after him, now there are two kinds of being influential on literature, (well there could be 84,000 but being practical I'll say there are two) as someone who right now ir very recently made an impact on our ways to understand our world and our inner self, and so his way of writing, of creating became the trend for doing literature,the one that is relevant today, but in time someone else will overcome that trend, yet the previous authors will remain as influential and shall became relevant, in the means that because of the seed we got the tree and because of the tree we got the apple, so any time we chew the apple we are getting something from the tree and the seed, number two it reamins influential because history could be revisited a hundred of times in search of new refreshing ideas as well as to understand the current trends and break into new ground by doing that.

So Shakespeare is no longer influential or relevant if we mean nobody wants to create using the forms he showed to us, but it is both influential and relevant cause today trends do own something at least in a remote way to SHakespeare writen word, and thats way we today still study his works and more than anything, a Shakespeare work can still awake a range of emotions in our society.

During the the 50's and early to mid 60's any rock and roll band wanted to be Elvis, today hardly we can find a rock band that wants to be Elvis, but if they are a good rock band, you can find a lot of Elvis in them, even, and thats the big deal, even if they don´t know, and thats a way of being influential. Plus Elvis was not only about rock and roll, it was about singing and performing, and if we go to the pop scene, there are still and bunch of singers, pop stars that quotes Elvis as an inmediate influence, that's they want to be like Elvis in the way Lennon or Dylan did, even if they music is not rock and roll Elvis at all, and thats odd cause even if Elvis did a lot of great stuff doing many kinds of music, it was in Rock and roll the big impact and changes he did.

So is Elvis relevant and influential? I think it still is, but not in the way of a lot of teenagers trying to imitate his ways, or a lot musicians sounding or wanting to sound or evidently derivative of Elvis, and that relevance and influence doesn't really have to do a lot with having a number one via a remix or a Bob Sillyman taking his chance making a lot of money doing amazing marketing with an historic icon but nothing in a direct form for his work of art.

Here I sit musing over all these posts and right at the end I see this one which sort of states what had been formulating in my mind the entire time. Thanks RR (good post JJ also.)

There are many variables to consider when taking on the word "relevant" and applying to Elvis Presley. I see alot of posts that state he is not because he is not a driving force in music or culture today. I think he is in a way that an engine propels a vehicle. Sure the car is beautiful, new and clean, popular, sells well, but without the engine, that someone designed many years before, what would it be? Useless,all flash and no substance. (like alot of artists today unfortunately.) Not sure if that is a good analogy, but bear with me......

His cultural significance is undeniable in that he changed the way musical genres were associated with cultural divisions that still has significance today. His interpretations of music can still be seen in the way many artists today perform and record. His stage manner and style are still influential, in the way an artist is represented live or on film.(think of when he saw Streisand perform and how he hated that she was practically alone onstage and not interacting with the band and singers. That is the way most artists were. He changed that.) Music videos, he was the first. Essentially his movies were just that. You take out everthing but the music and you have MTV Elvis! His superstar , rock idol image, with the MM (now called a posse) is still emulated today and set the standard for guaging success in entertainment. The way he dealt with his fame, the way it affected him, put the measure out for all who would follow in fame's footsteps. (ie...It had never really happened that way before, now someone has been through it, we all know what to expect and how to react) He set a standard for the way he treated fans and the charity work he did that is often emulated ( whether they know it or not) today. Hell, even the way the tours were handled was initially new and had to be created on the spot.

So, what I guess I'm trying to say, is sure he is not played on MTV or VH1, or on most radio stations except oldies. Well that makes sense, the youth drive music sales and it's all about the money. Do sales figures and radio play determine relevancy? Is it a popularity contest or a brand name recognition thing (like EPE are trying to achieve) that determine relevancy? Or is it more about whether popular culture and music (especially the music and the music industry) are still directly affected by the trail blazed by a young man from Tupelo Miss and the superstar he became? In my humble opinion, yes.....

Merry
02-18-2007, 11:06 AM
Here I sit musing over all these posts and right at the end I see this one which sort of states what had been formulating in my mind the entire time. (good post JJ)

There are many variables to consider when taking on the word "relevant" and applying to Elvis Presley. I see alot of posts that state he is not because he is not a driving force in music or culture today. I think he is in a way that an engine propels a vehicle. Sure the car is beautiful, new and clean, popular, sells well, but without the engine, that someone designed many years before, what would it be? Useless,all flash and no substance. (like alot of artists today unfortunately.) Not sure if that is a good analogy, but bear with me......

His cultural significance is undeniable in that he changed the way musical genres were associated with cultural divisions that still has significance today. His interpretations of music can still be seen in the way many artists today perform and record. His stage manner and style are still influential, in the way an artist is represented live or on film.(think of when he saw Streisand perform and how he hated that she was practically alone onstage and not interacting with the band and singers. That is the way most artists were. He changed that.) Music videos, he was the first. Essentially his movies were just that. You take out everthing but the music and you have MTV Elvis! His superstar , rock idol image, with the MM (now called a posse) is still emulated today and set the standard for guaging success in entertainment. The way he dealt with his fame, the way it affected him, put the measure out for all who would follow in fame's footsteps. (ie...It had never really happened that way before, now someone has been through it, we all know what to expect and how to react) He set a standard for the way he treated fans and the charity work he did that is often emulated ( whether they know it or not) today. Hell, even the way the tours were handled was initially new and had to be created on the spot.

So, what I guess I'm trying to say, is sure he is not played on MTV or VH1, or on most radio stations except oldies. Well that makes sense, the youth drive music sales and it's all about the money. Do sales figures and radio play determine relevancy? Is it a popularity contest or a brand name recognition thing (like EPE are trying to achieve) that determine relevancy? Or is it more about whether popular culture and music (especially the music and the music industry) are still directly affected by the trail blazed by a young man from Tupelo Miss and the superstar he became? In my humble opinion, yes.....


Well written, and spot on!

Jess

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-18-2007, 11:24 AM
That is a great post Menwithbrokenhearts, I love the analogies you have used, also a nod of the hat to Raised On Rock (y)

Dovey
02-18-2007, 12:32 PM
Great Post Menwithbrokenhearts, so happy to see you back again and I sure do love to read your reasoning ... makes a lot of sence to me. (y) (y) Dovey ;)

Raised on Rock
02-19-2007, 06:23 AM
Elvis is still relevant cause the music of today, the bussiness, and the paraphernalia around it, is still derivative from what Presley changed on those fields. We are still living in the days of the Rock star, or should I say, the decay of the Rock star thing? but until someone end with that and rock became the next chaleston, Elvis remains as the biggest icon of our days.

We need another revolution as the one that started with Presley in the 50's, became red hot during the 60's, and gave its last fruits in the 90's. If that revolution in music happens, then Elvis will stop being influential, and became like Sinatra (or Shakespeare), but their place in histrory will remain until our civilization stops being relevant.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-19-2007, 04:39 PM
Wow 105 votes in total so far (y) I didn't doubt for one minute that the result would have gone any other way :supriced:

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-19-2007, 04:49 PM
I think I'm turning into Maurice :P here is a article from International Business Times that address this topic nicely: -

Teenagers in the 1950s and '60s went wild over Elvis Presley, much to the consternation of their parents, but kids in the new millennium aren't so stirred by rock 'n' roll's original rebel.

"I can't try to sell somebody Elvis who doesn't know who he is ... that he's not just some guy who's been gone for 30 years," said Paul Jankowski, chief of marketing for Elvis Presley Enterprises Inc.

Next year, three decades after Presley's death, the multimillion dollar Elvis business will try to connect with a new generation of teenage fans.

"Our opportunity demographic is really going to be 12 to 34 (years old), with a sweet spot around the 18-to-24 area," Jankowski said.

In the early days of Presley's career, teenagers gathered at jukeboxes or around 45-rpm turntables. But now the music has moved to the Internet, on sites like MySpace, which is part of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., and Google Inc.'s YouTube.

Next year more film clips, photos and other material from the vast Presley archives will be showing up online.

"We will take our MySpace page and we will focus on expanding our number of friends on MySpace, that kind of thing," Jankowski said. "There's all kind of Elvis content on YouTube, things that we put up, things that fans put up."

MySpace is a social-networking site that lets visitors share photos and personal Web pages. YouTube lets users post and share videos.

The Elvis archives offer a rich source of material for "digital tactics," Jankowski said. "You know, for cell phones or doing wallpaper or doing podcasts."

Moving Elvis content online should be easy; making Elvis cool again will be more difficult. After all, for most kids, Elvis is the music of their parents' - or grandparents' - generation.

Aaron O'Connell, a 17-year-old from Fredericksburg, Va., who was visiting souvenir shops at Graceland, said it could be tough to make Elvis relevant again.

"Probably in today's world, like, he wouldn't be as cool, but back then he probably was," said O'Connell, a high school junior in town for the Liberty Bowl football game.

Presley managers are preparing for a big year, particularly for the weeklong series of concerts, fan-club gatherings and other death anniversary events held each August at Graceland, which draws more than 600,000 visitors annually.

Presley died of heart disease and prescription drug abuse at age 42 at Graceland on Aug. 16, 1977.

Elvis Presley Enterprises has more than 200 licensees producing souvenirs and signature products, and new ones for 2007 will have a youthful focus, like a peanut butter and banana cream candy bar from Hershey with the King's picture on the wrapper.

A Harley-Davidson dealer, with plans to open an office at Graceland, is coming out with a limited line of 30 custom-made motorcycles - just like the ones Elvis rode.

Prices aren't yet set, but the one-of-a-kind Harleys could run up to $50,000. And while that's well beyond the reach of most teenagers - or Elvis fans in general - the replica bikes are also part of the cool factor in Presley marketing.

"The new owners will be flown to Memphis and they'll pick their bikes up at the steps of Graceland," Jankowski said.

Jankowski was brought to Memphis by CKX Inc., the company that took over Elvis Presley Enterprises and Graceland after buying the rights to Presley's name and image last year from daughter Lisa Marie.

Forbes magazine says Elvis, one of the top-grossing dead celebrities, brought in $42 million over the past year. But with the aging of Presley's longtime base of admirers, EPE needs a new wave of younger fans.

"We want to reinvigorate our core demographic and grow it," Jankowski said, "while we introduce the icon to the next generation."

Diane
02-19-2007, 05:00 PM
Elvis was the driving force (great analogy Jess with the car....) of everything that happened in music since he came on the scene, so in that way he is always relevant and always will be.(y) (y) Diane

Raised on Rock
02-19-2007, 07:06 PM
Wow 105 votes in total so far (y) I didn't doubt for one minute that the result would have gone any other way :supriced:

Yes, couldn't expect something else, but being this an Elvis fan forum, that really doesn't prove much, in fact it could just reads: he is relevant only for his fans. He is relevant, but maybe not in the way most of his fans think.

MauriceColgan
02-19-2007, 07:16 PM
Hey JJ :-)

"
February 19, 2007 12:20 PM Eastern Time
The King of Rock ?n? Roll Lives Again in A Special Live Concert TV Special and DVD
NASHVILLE, Tenn.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Imagine if you could still attend a live concert event starring Elvis Presley--a young, vibrant Elvis, in his prime. Modern technology has made that possible, and PBS will present all the excitement of an Elvis event, beginning in March!

Elvis Presley was larger than life, and the Elvis experience is an amazing phenomenon that has continued to astonish 30 years after his death in 1977. In commemoration of the 25th anniversary of his death, Elvis: The 25th Anniversary Concert Event was staged at the Pyramid Coliseum in 2002 in his hometown of Memphis, Tennessee. Through the magic of modern technology, Elvis is reunited with his original TCB band, his back-up singers and musical director for a unique concert special, featuring Elvis from Hawaii, in one of the biggest satellite concerts ever, and Las Vegas, and his supporting musicians and singers live on stage together in Memphis. This one-of-a-kind sold-out concert event has toured the world, stirring audiences and igniting a passion for the King in a whole new generation of music lovers.

Staged just as if Elvis was appearing live in concert, the limousine arrives at the stage to a thunderous ovation, the lights go down, and suddenly Elvis appears center stage, only this time, it?s on a video screen and the young, vibrant King of Rock ?n? Roll appears 20 times larger than life. On stage with him, playing and singing live are his band members and members of the Jordanaires, the Imperials, the Stamps and the Sweet Inspirations, all led by band leader, Joe Guercio. Performance footage from the live concert is punctuated with interviews with these supporting members.

Joe Moscheo, a member of the Imperials and executive producer of the special, explains that the magic part was in syncing the live with the recorded. ?The trick was to isolate the voice so all that was recorded was Elvis? image and his voice,? he noted. ?Some people don?t realize that it?s a live show accompanying Elvis? voice. What?s especially thrilling about this is that we?re introducing Elvis to a whole new generation of music lovers. This image of Elvis we all have is as a young man, and now he?ll never grow old.?

In cooperation with the Elvis Presley Estate, Coming Home Music has captured all the excitement of that concert in a television special, Elvis Lives, airing exclusively on most PBS member stations nationwide beginning in March. Elvis Lives: The 25th Anniversary Special is available on DVD March 6th."

Today on google. Need we continue.............

Elvis_Priestly
02-19-2007, 11:18 PM
Hmm, relevance? Is it financial, cultural or in the days of democracy about the sum total of hearts moved by a particular thing?
I'm a priest and "relevance" is often discussed in my "professional" life. How do we become more relevant? etc. etc. But such discussions lead to futile projects and consumerist marketing plans, which give a few months enthusiasm until the next thing comes along.
For me relevance IS in the hearts that are touched. I was 5 when he died so I had no idea who he was, yet here I am now listening to him, singing him, talking about him, writing about him. A look at the birthdays on the home page, even in the brief time I've been a member, shows there are a lot of fans out there younger than me. Hearts will continue to be touched by the man, the music, the story - he's relevant.
Or as those clever marketing fellows at RCA once said "50 000 000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong" How many of us are there now!?

MauriceColgan
02-20-2007, 12:55 PM
If you can get Elvis's beautiful Gospel music played for your congregation we could start a movement.

A Gospel music choir in a well known RC Chapel in Dublin is going from strength to strength. :)

Merry
02-20-2007, 01:12 PM
Hi Maurice,

That sounds like a wonderful idea!

Welcome Elvis Priestly :)

Jess

Elvis_Priestly
02-20-2007, 01:47 PM
If you can get Elvis's beautiful Gospel music played for your congregation we could start a movement.


Fear not, with Elvis Priestly as their Parish Priest they hear of the King quite regularly and hear from him whenever "How Great thou Art" or "Amazing Grace" or .... hits the hymn board! :P
Heck I even use "A Little Less Conversation a Little More Action Please" as a mission statement! :lol:

Merry
02-20-2007, 01:53 PM
Fear not, with Elvis Priestly as their Parish Priest they hear of the King quite regularly and hear from him whenever "How Great thou Art" or "Amazing Grace" or .... hits the hymn board! :P
Heck I even use "A Little Less Conversation a Little More Action Please" as a mission statement! :lol:



LOL, I would be part of your congregation with those songs!

It sounds like you all have a wonderful time, lovely to hear.

Jess

Elvis_Priestly
02-20-2007, 02:07 PM
LOL, I would be part of your congregation with those songs!

800 Elvis Priestly :D Fans Can't Be Wrong! :P

Diane
02-20-2007, 02:16 PM
Well I've got to tell you Father Priestly that things have certainly changed since I went to church!) I'm very happy to welcome you here and I know you'll enjoy our site!:) (y)

SingingStarlet
02-20-2007, 04:32 PM
I plan on exposing my child to Elvis' music. He's already heard a bit and loves to hold onto his playpen sides and shake his little bum around (It's really cute, honestly!). I do believe that every generation's kids don't appreciate the past and there are the rare kids who will listen to it and enjoy it.

I do believe that there are people who have brought Elvis to the forefront. Whether it's good or not, Eminem has used him in his music. Some kid may say 'who is this Elvis guy?' and google him only to find some great music.

Merry
02-20-2007, 11:54 PM
I plan on exposing my child to Elvis' music. He's already heard a bit and loves to hold onto his playpen sides and shake his little bum around (It's really cute, honestly!). I do believe that every generation's kids don't appreciate the past and there are the rare kids who will listen to it and enjoy it.

I do believe that there are people who have brought Elvis to the forefront. Whether it's good or not, Eminem has used him in his music. Some kid may say 'who is this Elvis guy?' and google him only to find some great music.


My twelve year old boy loves hard rock, classical, today's music, he plays a musical instrument, and likes Elvis, including the "Elvis Lives" Concert, which we went to last year.

I think music is "in the bones" or it isn't. DC used to dance like your little one too, a lovely memory, and yes, soooo cute, lol, enjoy! :)

Jess

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-23-2007, 06:59 PM
My daughter and nephew used to like "Yoga Is As As Yoga Does" and "Do The Vega" :lol: if you can get them hooked early on and with whatever catches their attention, well you will have them for life........

diamond
02-23-2007, 07:10 PM
My two Boys or should I say ''Men'' were brought up on Elvis, but I'm sorry to say haven't followed it through. They do however indulge me by buying me presents of Albums and DVD's and never complain when I play them.

I'm curious to know how the younger members got interested in Elvis.

I also think every Pop Star will give some credit to Elvis somewhere down the line wether it be a large or small part.

KPM
02-23-2007, 10:29 PM
My oldest daughter, when she was about 8, liked the movie "Frankie and Johnny" and would watch it quite often. Then when she hit 11 she heard "IF I CAN DREAM' and for a couple weeks she played it every night. But sad to say she then went on to Micheal Jackson, then to the Beatles, then to Alannis Morrisette. She did like ALLC in 2002. Today shes 22 and likes the Dave Mathews band. She still has a respect for Elvis but does not listen to him. She also buys me DVDS or books about Elvis for gifts. My other kids, one 24, the other 20 have not showed much interest. My son likes the movies "Stay Away Joe" and "Tickle Me" though.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-25-2007, 01:06 PM
My oldest daughter, when she was about 8, liked the movie "Frankie and Johnny" and would watch it quite often. Then when she hit 11 she heard "IF I CAN DREAM' and for a couple weeks she played it every night. But sad to say she then went on to Micheal Jackson, then to the Beatles, then to Alannis Morrisette. She did like ALLC in 2002. Today shes 22 and likes the Dave Mathews band. She still has a respect for Elvis but does not listen to him. She also buys me DVDS or books about Elvis for gifts. My other kids, one 24, the other 20 have not showed much interest. My son likes the movies "Stay Away Joe" and "Tickle Me" though.

My daughter pulls a face if I put an Elvis film on :'( I have to go upstairs and watch it (n)

Matt

my boy
02-25-2007, 03:08 PM
I have just read the article and must say it's one of the best I have ever read about Elvis.I agree with eveything she said,a great story of discovery. Elvis was called the king and she found out on her car journeys listening to the radio. fantastic:clap:

stevegirton
02-26-2007, 08:06 PM
Elvis is still relevant. Im 22 years old and I listen to Elvis every day.

Granted my friends arent such fans but its because they werent exsposed.

After I made them listen to his music then watch his concerts and watch

his biographys they began to say hay this guys not so bad . Look at johnny

cash after his movie came out he blew up. I see young people every ware

wearing his shirts and listening to his music. Although its not easy to make

a good movie about Elvis. Come on, no one can play the King.

If young people are exsposed to him they are sure to like him if not love him.

MauriceColgan
02-26-2007, 08:07 PM
I have just read the article and must say it's one of the best I have ever read about Elvis.I agree with eveything she said,a great story of discovery. Elvis was called the king and she found out on her car journeys listening to the radio. fantastic:clap:

Yes my boy, I think so too.

It's the kind of article that can influence people enough to actually go out and purchase Elvis Presley CDs. Print it out and post it on your local Supermarket message board. :-)

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-26-2007, 10:43 PM
Look at johnny cash after his movie came out he blew up. I see young people every ware wearing his shirts and listening to his music. Although its not easy to make a good movie about Elvis. Come on, no one can play the King.

I agree with you on that score, I have never seen a film or mini series that 100% depicts Elvis in the right way! I suppose we as fans are biased and to close to give the thumbs up, I'm sure many Johnny Cash fans have said the same :hmm:

KPM
02-26-2007, 11:29 PM
I know the JCash movie drew alot of people but his first intro in years to many was that video -"Hurt"- him at that piano looking old and used was so striking. My daughter said his face looked like he had lived the song. That I think was his "in" to young people.

JDD
02-27-2007, 12:11 AM
I agree with you on that score, I have never seen a film or mini series that 100% depicts Elvis in the right way! I suppose we as fans are biased and to close to give the thumbs up, I'm sure many Johnny Cash fans have said the same :hmm:




My biggest problem with all the films is the blatant over acting of the so called Elvis mannerisms , they're always over the top and borderline comical even though thats not the intent I'm sure. I've seen a lot of actors try and haven't cared for any of them as Elvis. At this point I wish they'd quit trying and go the documentary route if they have to tell the story again. I have a 6 part 6 hour long Documentary on Muhammad Ali called the life and times of originally made for Japanese TV but later aired on ESPN and ESPN Classic, that was fantastic. There is no reason they can't crank out a respectable one on Elvis in similar fashion .

Joe Car
02-27-2007, 01:00 AM
I know the JCash movie drew alot of people but his first intro in years to many was that video -"Hurt"- him at that piano looking old and used was so striking. My daughter said his face looked like he had lived the song. That I think was his "in" to young people.

God, there are so many video's of EP living a particular song, that's what set him apart from everybody else in my opinion.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-27-2007, 07:59 PM
My biggest problem with all the films is the blatant over acting of the so called Elvis mannerisms , they're always over the top and borderline comical even though thats not the intent I'm sure. I've seen a lot of actors try and haven't cared for any of them as Elvis.

Yes! that is exactly how I feel, it's like a really bad Tribute Artist :supriced: with the "Thank you, Thank you very much" and some kind of weird southern style accent that anyone from the south would cringe hearing?

Joaquin Phoenix (http://imdb.com/name/nm0001618/) doesn't look like Johnny cash that much, so that isn't the issue with Elvis films, they have to look similar of course but an understated version would be ok (y)

I like the Kurt Russel film a lot but that is a long time ago :'(

KPM
02-28-2007, 02:17 AM
God, there are so many video's of EP living a particular song, that's what set him apart from everybody else in my opinion.
You are right about Elvis living songs and how that sets him apart-but infortunately VH-1 and MTV won't play them. The remixes got almost no play. But Cash's version of the "Nine Inch Nail" groups song "Hurt" (not the Elvis song)got all kinds of requests and play on both VH-1 and MTV. It had a great edit of Cash as he was then, a little while before he died, and of the younger robust Cash jumping onto trains, etc.
I don't know if you have seen this video but it does pull at your heart, and shows you a man who is baring his soul.

Merry
02-28-2007, 02:33 AM
In the context of Elvis not receiving as much air play as we'd like:

You have to remember, that radio and television just follow whatever is "in" now. (I'm talking in the context of four television stations and few radio stations in my area, I live in Australia).

For example:
There were the cop shows (liked those).
There were the lawyer shows (liked those).
Then there was Big Brother.
Then reality television.

The media all follow each other blindly, appealing to thirteen and over? Who knows. Wish they'd get some backbone and play/show something decent. There are other audiences out there, a lot do have intelligence, lol

:supriced:

Jess

TCE
02-28-2007, 11:55 AM
Elvis is relevant even nowadays. Just look around and you'll see Elvis his influence even today. In moves artists make today, in clothing etc. Most artists have one particular group that they reach Elvis is for young and old not for just one particular group. What I'm trying to say: It's not only Elvis music that reach people it's also the person it self. He was very wise and I always get amazed of his wisdom when I read his quotes. It's only a pitty that only we (fans) know most of his quotes. A lot of people could learn from them and I'm sure people would be more tollerant to eachother. The most beautiful and oh so true story is the one he told in a concert: Men with broken dreams. I love this one.


Christel (TCE)

nashville cat
02-28-2007, 09:28 PM
It's hard for me to answer. Man, if I walk within a four/five block area of my office here in downtown Nashville - Elvis is everywhere. There are two life-size figures of him, and his music is blasting 2nd ave N (a tourist area) from the Sun record store. (y) Anybody traveling that area can't miss him. And it's one of the biggest tourist areas in town.

I know that largely that is just the image, but in these days and times all artists are pretty much image anyway - especially since the MTV age. What's popular anymore is very seldom ground-breaking or unique.

Even during his time, he did not get the credit he should have for what he created and acheived. He was dismissed by the show business movers and shakers, and the press of the time. They said it would not last.

marce_itec70
02-28-2007, 11:34 PM
For his fans, Elvis Presley is irrelevant

Jumpsuit Junkie
03-01-2007, 12:19 AM
For his fans, Elvis Presley is irrelevant

Surely you mean relevant?

ajr
04-02-2007, 02:13 AM
Surely ,a typo ?? Relevant to most. ;)

TCBEP
04-04-2007, 11:59 PM
For his fans, Elvis Presley is irrelevant


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elvisfan4life
04-05-2007, 06:28 AM
I believe that Elvis will be relevent today, tomorrow and years from now. They use his music in marketing cars, to tourist videos for Tennessee.

As for the teens today, I have an eighth grader who's friends love Elvis. At the school dances, the love the remix of A little less conversation - Burning Love, and they love it.

Go to any souvenir shop in Tennessee and you'll find Elvis souvenirs......

Of course one of the first songs I played for my step sons was Only the strong Survive......... Every Christmas, I wake everyone up to the sound of Merry, Merry Christmas Baby - A tradition that was passed down from my father.

My mother in law who's in her '70s loves Elvis Christian music. So I believe that Elvis' music is relevent to all ages for one reason or another and also for marketing purposes. (y)

Jumpsuit Junkie
05-18-2007, 10:17 AM
I didn't want to open a new thread but kind of extent the question.......

If you could bring Elvis back today what period would you want to bring him back from and why?

I also would like to throw this in the mix just to get your thoughts! should Elvis be brought back, has he had his time or do you think he could be contemporary in this era and sustain that?

JJ

jak
05-18-2007, 12:10 PM
I certainly wish Elvis could be brought back of course.I just dont know how well he would be perceived in today's music scene.In this day and age I think substance takes a backseat to style and flash.I dont think anyone could ever equal the magnitude of his success and that includes him if he came back.Society has changed to much.Nobody could have the impact he had ever again.The Elvis of the 50's or 60's wouldnt stand a chance today I dont think.Maybe the 70's Elvis could make it on the contemporary charts?Elvis had his time and everything was in place for him perfectly back then.It would be a lot tougher for him now I think.Just getting noticed today would probably be a challenge.
Jak

Merry
05-18-2007, 03:33 PM
Let me answer this this way.

I just returned from a horsie day with Show Jumping, Hacking (yuck, lol) and a Rodeo.

Age groups from 6 to whatever.

FANTASTIC band on tonight, started at 6:00pm, I've just arrived home, it is 11:30 p.m. and most were still going (more competing tomorrow, so we reluctantly left).

The band was a rock and roll band, who played a lot of Elvis' songs. Amongst them "That's Alright Mama", "Mystery Train" and "Heartbreak Hotel". There were cowboys there from the Rodeo, young girls, guys, children, adults, grandparents. (The band also played Cold Chisel, Johnny Cash, U2, heaps, on and on, it was FANTASTIC!).

The place was absolutely rocking. EVERYONE, I mean EVERYONE was dancing, they were having a ball. They loved Elvis' songs, and they sang, they had their arms in the air, some of the guys were pretending to play guitar, rough housing, it was great!

My answer is, yes, absolutely, yes, Elvis is loved from 6 (or younger) upwards, adored. We had a ball! He would be embraced and loved.

Besides, Elvis had a feel for what his fans liked, he was popular every decade he worked in, and still is now.

Who else is spoken about, as is Elvis?

Jess

Jumpsuit Junkie
06-08-2007, 12:18 AM
I think it is great that 145 people have voted on this topic (y)

goodelvisgirl
06-08-2007, 03:19 AM
elvis is and will always be relevant he changed so much in music and in the culture of young people i don't think elvis would do so well in todays market as most people today wouldnt know music if it jumped up and hit them he is a style and magnitude that will never be replaced if i could jumpsuit junkie i would pick the 70's elvis but i cant se elvis as a rapper or singing hip hop or todays form of rock and r&b elvis was the right time the right place he was the king

SweetCaroline
06-08-2007, 05:20 AM
When I was in hospital recovering from a triple by-pass op August 2002 this article appeared in "The Irish Times". It helped me recover. :-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/MauriceColgan/ELVISBattersby.jpg

I wonder how many were influenced and went out and bought an Elvis CD from curiosity? That's the kind of publicity in a "quality" newspaper that we need.

http://irelandtoo.blogspot.com


The article was beautiful. So well stated. I loved it and thank you for posting it. Somehow I am always so pleased when a fellow human ....has been touched by the king...and drawn into the ranks of those that love him. :)

~Carole~

EnigmaticSun
06-08-2007, 01:40 PM
Elvis' music is absolutely timeless. Okay, 'How Great Thou Art' from the sixties is more interesting than the average Teddy/Cruel medley, but all in all he did a good job.

It doesn't matter what people or modern artists think of him. It has been said Elvis did influence popular modern American culture - but MTV is a far cry from 'Love Me Tender' and 'It's Now Or Never', so there's really no connection to this day.

This doesn't mean he didn't have quality. You don't hear Bach's influence in Stockhausen or Schönberg, but it doesn't mean Bach wasn't a musical genius. There's this general tendancy for the human race to degenerate (after a period of high culture and prosperity), such was the case during the times of Noah, Moses, the Roman Empire and even the 3rd Reich (which was rather disciplined in the beginning, with it's schools for the elite) had it's share of drunkenness and sexual excess when the foundation was starting to crumble. During these times of demise and decadence, people forget timelessness and it's just about immediate gratification, which is also the case now.

But Elvis will stand the test of time like Bach, Mozart and Beethoven.

Jumpsuit Junkie
06-08-2007, 11:39 PM
Elvis' music is absolutely timeless. Okay, 'How Great Thou Art' from the sixties is more interesting than the average Teddy/Cruel medley, but all in all he did a good job.

It doesn't matter what people or modern artists think of him. It has been said Elvis did influence popular modern American culture - but MTV is a far cry from 'Love Me Tender' and 'It's Now Or Never', so there's really no connection to this day.

This doesn't mean he didn't have quality. You don't hear Bach's influence in Stockhausen or Sch?nberg, but it doesn't mean Bach wasn't a musical genius. There's this general tendancy for the human race to degenerate (after a period of high culture and prosperity), such was the case during the times of Noah, Moses, the Roman Empire and even the 3rd Reich (which was rather disciplined in the beginning, with it's schools for the elite) had it's share of drunkenness and sexual excess when the foundation was starting to crumble. During these times of demise and decadence, people forget timelessness and it's just about immediate gratification, which is also the case now.

But Elvis will stand the test of time like Bach, Mozart and Beethoven.

I am not entirely sure that the 3rd Reich should be discussed in comparison with the relevance of Elvis?

EnigmaticSun
06-09-2007, 08:27 AM
Pretending as if it has never been there will not erase it from history. It's just a very 'dry' look at history, to compare different times of demise. It's not more important than Julius Caesar.

Elvis68
06-09-2007, 10:21 AM
He is just the King. He set the standard, music of today (if one still can call it music) wouldn't be this if it wasn't for him.

goodelvisgirl
06-09-2007, 02:33 PM
well said elvis 68 i agree with you there

rickeap
06-09-2007, 03:38 PM
To answer the question - yes

Diana
06-09-2007, 07:07 PM
In my country( Ukraine) I don't know Elvis' fans, but I don't a person who don't know Elvis!!!
He is like Kennedy, Monroe...just BIGGER!!!!(y) :king: (y)

EnigmaticSun
06-09-2007, 10:46 PM
Elvis was no emperor or a glamour puss, but a fine musician in all respects.

A lot of these modern artists need special promotion to sell something. It's no crime to put Elvis' material in the spotlights, but you can't hide lack of quality by copying the tactics of a political party (which is often the case for modern artists; too dependent on promotion).

SweetCaroline
06-09-2007, 10:53 PM
For a long time I thought Elvis might become less relevant and popular as those fans that walked the earth when he did... died off. :'( I kept Elvis in my own little sheltered world and heart. I didn't have a clue that his popularity had not waned ...because I live a fairly secluded life. :blink: In the past couple of weeks I started to trek around the different Elvis websites and message boards... because an oline friend wanted to hear a version of the 1969 laughing "Are You Lonesome Tonight".... and I have had the most pleasant surprise.....so many new young fans from all over the WORLD!!!....Lots of them not even born yet on August 16, 1977!!! I can't imagine any entertainer, but Elvis, that could keep that kind of popularity happening after the curtains had gone down.
What a thrill the last couple of weeks have been for me!!!
Go TEAM ELVIS!!! :king:
Now I am sure that Elvis will ALWAYS be revelant to society because of the the uniqueness of the man and his music...
ELVIS will be remembered through the ages.
That thought makes me smile. :D

*If Elvis' home GRACELAND is a National Historic Landmark.....then certainly the man who made Graceland famous is a timeless National HistoricTreasure....who has become a timeless...World Treasure!(y)

ajr
06-09-2007, 11:38 PM
Well put, SC......no one can disagree with that. ;)

EnigmaticSun
06-09-2007, 11:51 PM
But how can you bear living in a world with MTV and such, where you don't hear any connection to Elvis' work?

I don't think he'll be forgotten, but the 'modern popular American culture' thing.. I don't know. Elvis had the heart for music, but it's missing nowadays (in modern music).

ajr
06-10-2007, 12:13 AM
But how can you bear living in a world with MTV and such, where you don't hear any connection to Elvis' work?

I don't think he'll be forgotten, but the 'modern popular American culture' thing.. I don't know. Elvis had the heart for music, but it's missing nowadays (in modern music).

Music changes with the times......but Elvis is never forgotten.
We never lose connection to Elvis' work.
It's just gotten better & more accessable to all.
The "younger generation " has always had their own music......such as the one Elvis started in '56 . Big difference; Elvis has always stayed .....others are forgotten.

Not everyone listens or watches MTV here. Where do you get your information from ??;)

SweetCaroline
06-10-2007, 12:25 AM
What's MTV?????? :D :D :D

ajr
06-10-2007, 12:33 AM
Now why didn't I think of that ????:lol:
Good one, SC !!

I don't think any of my kids even watch MTV anymore.
Only when it was new......it was a passing phase, I guess .
Though I'm sure some still watch it.

EnigmaticSun
06-13-2007, 10:51 AM
Not everyone watches MTV. But for a lot of youngsters, it's the main source of 'music' on television. Not everyone eats at Mc Donald's, but it is a disease. It's not like it ought to be.. and I can't take it..

Anyway, '56 is a far cry from heavy metal and gangster rap I can tell. At least Elvis sang ballads and gospel songs. Even 'Hound Dog' was tame compared to the cussing and fussing on television.

ajr
06-13-2007, 12:05 PM
Not everyone watches MTV. But for a lot of youngsters, it's the main source of 'music' on television. Not everyone eats at Mc Donald's, but it is a disease. It's not like it ought to be.. and I can't take it..

Anyway, '56 is a far cry from heavy metal and gangster rap I can tell. At least Elvis sang ballads and gospel songs. Even 'Hound Dog' was tame compared to the cussing and fussing on television.

Most of "the youger generation" here have their own ipods , etc. & download their own music now. Very few {that I know of} use TV as their source of music. It's a different world....;)
Elvis didn't always sing ballads. His early music & he, himself was quite controversial when he began.
Heavy metal & rap has also gone the way of most music fads here.
Elvis remains a constant.....proving that he was/is something "special." :D

EnigmaticSun
06-13-2007, 03:25 PM
Gangster rap, heavy metal or poppy stars can't match Elvis' versatility. Although Elvis did rock with 'Jailhouse Rock' or 'Hound Dog', he didn't forget to sing 'Love Me Tender' or 'There'll Be Peace In The Valley'. Elvis didn't just shout and was no plastic person.

The ipods and such are the same trouble we've always been through, the Justin Timberlake kind of rubbish. It's all mainstream commerce, so is MTV. Today's youth is spoiled, with parents trying to buy them gadgets to hide their lack of affection.

The kids from Elvis' days weren't so Roman, spoiled and decadent. Although you can't blame them exclusively, since their parents, school and the media have made it like this.

ajr
06-13-2007, 03:41 PM
Gangster rap, heavy metal or poppy stars can't match Elvis' versatility. Although Elvis did rock with 'Jailhouse Rock' or 'Hound Dog', he didn't forget to sing 'Love Me Tender' or 'There'll Be Peace In The Valley'. Elvis didn't just shout and was no plastic person.


The ipods and such are the same trouble we've always been through, the Justin Timberlake kind of rubbish. It's all mainstream commerce, so is MTV. Today's youth is spoiled, with parents trying to buy them gadgets to hide their lack of affection.

The kids from Elvis' days weren't so Roman, spoiled and decadent. Although you can't blame them exclusively, since their parents, school and the media have made it like this.

From my experience with my kids.....they outgrow it. ;)

EnigmaticSun
06-13-2007, 03:49 PM
It's no generalization, of course. But I did keep my eyes open looking at my peers. They may deify another lazy youth. It's all about the money boys!

Some folks might say, that Elvis was good - and he was - but before having lived the American Dream (which implies your first million comes with effort and pain, but all after that is a piece of cake) he was better to keep out of the rich man's way.

He won't be forgotten, that's for sure.

Burning_Love
06-13-2007, 06:49 PM
Well, as a 16 Year old girl from England, Elvis is relevent to me. Not to others my age..sadly.

Elvis has become known as 'The fat man in the jumpsuit who can't dance' that's what i heard during a discussion in my English lesson. You see Elvis to me, has matured me. I now listen to that type of music, not todays. Which people may think odd.

Kids my age, they don't understand Elvis, they don't know him the way i do, they think he's some old fashioned man, when actually, he's a normal man. But he's different, he's unique, he's special.

I think if Elvis was to be brought back it would be great, like how Johnny Cash has and i would have something in common with people nowadays. But i'm glad i am different in that way, and i like it like that (y)

I like to be different, i like to have my own style, the way Elvis did.

So Elvis to me is something different and he is a special man, i wish people today would look at him the way i do and not criticise him so much, they don't think of him the way i do.
And He Is Only Relevent To The Fans.

"Before you abuse,
Criticise and acuse,
Walk a mile in my shoes.."

http://www.elvispresleythelegend.piczo.com :king:

goodelvisgirl
06-13-2007, 06:59 PM
elvis has opened my eyes and tought me that music isnt all about money,sex,drugs and rehab as i have grew up to believe with tv and music artists of today you are not a celebrity until you haver been to rehab but then you were a celebrity for your talent,i am only 17 and have been a fan since i was 12 elvis might not be on tv or alive today but we all find him someway his music is a talent that will never die out people try to achieve what he had and stil has and have failed when i'm 60 i will be talking to young people who have just found elvis aslong as their is music and people there will be elvis

Miss Clawdy
06-13-2007, 08:23 PM
Well, as a 16 Year old girl from England, Elvis is relevent to me. Not to others my age..sadly.

Elvis has become known as 'The fat man in the jumpsuit who can't dance' that's what i heard during a discussion in my English lesson. You see Elvis to me, has matured me. I now listen to that type of music, not todays. Which people may think odd.

Kids my age, they don't understand Elvis, they don't know him the way i do, they think he's some old fashioned man, when actually, he's a normal man. But he's different, he's unique, he's special.

I think if Elvis was to be brought back it would be great, like how Johnny Cash has and i would have something in common with people nowadays. But i'm glad i am different in that way, and i like it like that (y)

I like to be different, i like to have my own style, the way Elvis did.

So Elvis to me is something different and he is a special man, i wish people today would look at him the way i do and not criticise him so much, they don't think of him the way i do.
And He Is Only Relevent To The Fans.

"Before you abuse,
Criticise and acuse,
Walk a mile in my shoes.."

http://www.elvispresleythelegend.piczo.com :king:

You are absolutely right, it's the same here in Germany. Most of the
people only know a fat Elvis in jumpsuits who died of drug abuse.
They know nothing about his life and little about his music. You cannot
hear him on tv or on the radio. People think he is out of date and this is
not cool, you should listen to modern music to be hip and this is relevant
to most of the youngsters of today. But thank God there are also kids like
you who can hear and see the magic and beauty of Elvis(y)
I always thought music is something timeless but this seems to be
a privilege only for classical music, if you mention Beethoven or
Mozart nobody would say they are pass?.
Yes it would be great if they would make a film about his life, but
who could fill the role of Elvis and be convincing?:doh:

ajr
06-14-2007, 01:23 AM
Elvis is definitly relevant ....& more so today.
Man !! I wish he were here ....he'd have a few choice words to say.....;) :D

Jumpsuit Junkie
06-16-2007, 09:05 PM
I wish he were here ....he'd have a few choice words to say.....;) :D

I don't think that anything said today wasn't said when Elvis was alive!

The problem is this, opinions are like ***-holes, everyones got one.
The problem with message boards is that people cannot see each other, so the experience can be quite impersonal. Consequently people do not take other peoples feelings into consideration and respond without prejudice. Most of this behaviour is bravado and locking of horns.

I would like to think that Elvis would have risen above this kind of behaviour and not dignified it with a response!

ajr
06-16-2007, 09:23 PM
I don't think that anything said today wasn't said when Elvis was alive!

I would like to think that Elvis would have risen above this kind of behaviour and not dignified it with a response!

As with Elvis......and anyone . It gets **************** old having to put up with the same old crap .So, as he did in his Desert Storm gig....it's time to stop being pushed around & tell 'em how it is . ;) The games the same.

EnigmaticSun
06-18-2007, 11:04 AM
What younger people mention here is exactly what I thought to be true. I suppose these youngsters feel the way I do - that for some reason Elvis is not getting the respect he deserves and the sense of being lonely in a world of celebrities living expensively, going in and out of the rehab and such without having to work hard.

All in all, the majority of the human race is inclined to walk along with all the others. It's not self-explanatory or natural for kids to forget Elvis like that, it's because interests in music and the media want something else for you. If you could somehow break the dictatorship of big companies, people would be able to listen to older music as well. I don't think only classical music can be timeless, the same goes for folk songs, chants and Elvis' music.

You don't get to hear Elvis in the supermarket but you don't get to hear Mozart either. I think the media serve to brainwash people. Today's pop music keeps people braindead, I really mean it. For those in power, the ideal situation would be for you to have no culture, some food but not too healthy, live to work instead of work to live, ask no questions and such. The spiritual death is what the Bible warns for and it is so true! You can start brainwashing deforming the minds of young people, there's a priority.

The best alternative on a grand scale to confront people with culture is the church. I think I'm the right guy to do 'the low church' and my husband (the priest) does 'the high church' (liturgy). I think it's possible to get people swinging with 'Working on the building' and such.

ajr
06-18-2007, 11:22 AM
......for some reason Elvis is not getting the respect he deserves .....

All in all, the majority of the human race is inclined to walk along with all the others.

You don't get to hear Elvis in the supermarket but you don't get to hear Mozart either. I think the media serve to brainwash people.
You can start brainwashing deforming the minds of young people....

Amen,to no respect.

Humans don't want "to rock the boat." It's easier to "go along" than to stand up for something you believe in.

I do hear Elvis in the stores here.....but, the media does indeed brainwash people. Unfortunately, we do not take the time to "look for ourselves," but instead believe everything that is written or on TV.

EnigmaticSun
06-18-2007, 11:45 AM
That's why both Marxism and Capitalism were succesful. Let the state or the free market do the thinking for you. To stand up for something, is to take a risk - people seek the safety of the herd; but we're no sheep or fish. Don't give up your individuality; some would say: sit down, shut up and be one of the pack. I'd say dare to be different, be yourself - Elvis was surely different when he started out in the business.

ajr
06-18-2007, 11:56 AM
To stand up for something, is to take a risk - people seek the safety of the herd; but we're no sheep or fish. Don't give up your individuality; some would say: sit down, shut up and be one of the pack. I'd say dare to be different, be yourself - Elvis was surely different when he started out in the business.

Well said......My individuality was "hard earned." I don't intend to ever give it up. Yes, I dare ...it is afterall who I am.
Elvis was indeed "different" & look at all the riots he stirred up.
He was & always will be relevant, IMO.

EnigmaticSun
06-18-2007, 12:08 PM
Thanks for that meaningful reaction!

Yes, Elvis did stir some controversy, but without saying f**k this or that, without throwing bottles at people, without shocking people with private parts and such, without saying 'it's all because of you capitalist pigs' (it's not that simple). He did his thing being a southern gentleman.

ajr
06-18-2007, 03:11 PM
Thanks for that meaningful reaction!

Yes, Elvis did stir some controversy, but without saying f**k this or that, without throwing bottles at people, without shocking people with private parts and such, without saying 'it's all because of you capitalist pigs' (it's not that simple). He did his thing being a southern gentleman.

Well, he used the F word toward the end a few times.... maybe because he got tired of all the BS.
I'm pretty sure he might like to have thrown some bottles too....
but, he did it his way until the end....
Yes, a southern gentleman with too much on his plate.
No one noticed & no one seemed to care.

EnigmaticSun
06-18-2007, 03:21 PM
I guess I was just not there yet to care or notice this.

He did use the F-word, but not to everybody for no reason. In a lot of cases, he was just joking. I like the Italian version of 'Moody Blue' and the alternative 'Heart Of Rome'.

Towards the end, he did get angry every now and then. But if he got mad at you, it was for a reason.

ajr
06-18-2007, 03:30 PM
Towards the end, he did get angry every now and then. But if he got mad at you, it was for a reason.

Agreed. Most of us have a pretty good reason, before getting angry.
Usually, we're pushed too far. Sooner or later, one must fight back.
Is that relevant?? I think it is.

Merry
06-18-2007, 03:32 PM
Well, he used the F word toward the end a few times.... maybe because he got tired of all the BS.
I'm pretty sure he might like to have thrown some bottles too....
but, he did it his way until the end....
Yes, a southern gentleman with too much on his plate.
No one noticed & no one seemed to care.


Well I noticed, I care, Elvis will always be in my heart. There is something special about a Southern Gentleman.

There are a lot of others who care too, you included, AJ.

Coincidences, of the many, my Palomino Stock Horse x Quarter Horse, Rusty, his Pedigree Name is "Southern Gentleman".

Jess


P.S. It is good to read the Mod's care, too. About time, TCB may go back on track again and have more people posting instead of joining, then leaving after reading the negativity, as seems to be the case. Most of the fans object to it, it is only the minority who feel it is "necessary". Who knows why! Let's hope the arguments have stopped, along with the negativity.

There is a good saying re negativity: "Is it necessary?".

Getting along and having fun is what would be lovely for people to focus on, and I can't see how for me to make this comment, is controlling, it is a statement of fact, that having fun and getting along, is what makes people happy.

P.P.S. I respect Elvis for telling it "how it is" and telling people where to go when they deserve it!

goodelvisgirl
06-18-2007, 04:03 PM
Thanks for that meaningful reaction!

Yes, Elvis did stir some controversy, but without saying f**k this or that, without throwing bottles at people, without shocking people with private parts and such, without saying 'it's all because of you capitalist pigs' (it's not that simple). He did his thing being a southern gentleman.

well said it would take those drastic mesures today but not then he was and will always be e gentleman but he could go to hell and back when he wanted to telling people exactly what he thought and where to go today its all about rehab and sex elvis did it his way not to shock but to rock

EnigmaticSun
06-18-2007, 05:24 PM
What I meant with 'getting along' is not about being friends; I meant that most people are inclined to follow the illusionary safety of the herd, not asking questions, drawn to conformism.

There are opportunities in life for gaining knowledge and experience; sometimes it's necessary to take a risk, like Elvis did when he started out in the business.

I hadn't been posting on TCB-world for some months - but now I know it was wrong to go.

elvisfan4life
06-20-2007, 09:21 AM
Elvis Presley is relevant now and for many more generations to come. As a parent of teenagers, they have inherited the love of Elvis Presley. We recently went to Graceland May 19th and it was totally awesome - our second visit there. As part of the generation who witnessed the debut of MTV, or even cable, Elvis is and always will be the King of Rock and Roll as a part of history. I was in a Dollar General store today and saw a banana peanut butter reese's cup (yuk!). There are movies that have Elvis songs that bring younger generations interested in Elvis - look at Lilo and Stitch..... look at the remixes of A little less Conversation and .......uuugghhh I can't think of the other one........ :'( It is our generations and our love for Elvis that will keep passing down through the generations because of the King - Elvis Presley. From his debut into music, his jumpsuits, everything......... so yes, I believe Elvis Presley will be relevant for many, many generations to come.(y) (y)

Jumpsuit Junkie
06-24-2007, 02:34 AM
I think that Elvis' relevance has become marginalised in a world where "artists" feel they need to shock to get a result. You only have to look at people such as Britney Spears and Michael Jackson to see how fame and money has taken them down a path where stars have previously trodden!

Elvis may have taken the wrong road, but went down that path with far greater dignity than anyone I could name in todays crowd.....

There are not many stars who have had to suffer the intensity of fame such as Elvis and not been burnt by the bright lights of fame.

goodelvisgirl
06-24-2007, 04:36 PM
I think that Elvis' relevance has become marginalised in a world where "artists" feel they need to shock to get a result. You only have to look at people such as Britney Spears and Michael Jackson to see how fame and money has taken them down a path where stars have previously trodden!

Elvis may have taken the wrong road, but went down that path with far greater dignity than anyone I could name in todays crowd.....

There are not many stars who have had to suffer the intensity of fame such as Elvis and not been burnt by the bright lights of fame.

well i couldn't have put it better myself you hit it right on the head today you have to go to rehab or be seen acting like a drunken fool or flash your private parts to get in papers many have fallen from grace with disgrace but not elvis rock on elvis

goodelvisgirl
06-24-2007, 04:38 PM
well said it would take those drastic mesures today but not then he was and will always be e gentleman but he could go to hell and back when he wanted to telling people exactly what he thought and where to go today its all about rehab and sex elvis did it his way not to shock but to rock this is what i said earlier but the way you put it was much better jumpsuitjunkie

Jumpsuit Junkie
06-24-2007, 07:16 PM
well i couldn't have put it better myself you hit it right on the head today you have to go to rehab or be seen acting like a drunken fool or flash your private parts to get in papers many have fallen from grace with disgrace but not elvis rock on elvis


It's a sad fact but people do not want to know celebrities who behave well in public any more, they are always looking to find some seedy secret, the tabloid newspapers have created this kind of celebrity. everyone wants their pound of flesh, it isn't good enough to enjoy the music or the pleasure the entertainer gives, you have to find what makes the person tick, who have they slept with etc. This has always been around but to a far lesser degree!

Todays paparazzi really don't behave in a dignified way, these guys are on bikes taking photo's of you even while you are dieing!!! A photograph can be emailed across the globe for thousands of dollars.

Guess who trail blazed this lifestyle under constant scrutiny......:hmm:

Burning_Love
06-25-2007, 11:55 AM
I Love Elvis and if other people my age don't, i don't really care, i only care about Elvis...Their Loss My Gain Eh ! :king:

EnigmaticSun
07-16-2007, 11:24 PM
Artists who need to draw attention by misbehaving will not stand the test of time - simple. Elvis will, and so do James Dean, Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison or classical composers for that matter.

It's a sign of the times.

Jumpsuit Junkie
07-19-2007, 01:17 AM
Artists who need to draw attention by misbehaving will not stand the test of time - simple. Elvis will, and so do James Dean, Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison or classical composers for that matter.

It's a sign of the times.

It is a sad fact that todays artists are so fickle, true celebrity can be read about HERE! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley#The_final_year) as well as TCB World!

Here is a taster (y)

"For those too young to have experienced Elvis Presley in his prime, today?s celebration of the 25th anniversary of his death must seem peculiar. All the talentless impersonators and appalling black velvet paintings on display can make him seem little more than a perverse and distant memory. But before Elvis was camp, he was its opposite: a genuine cultural force... Elvis?s breakthroughs are underappreciated because in this rock-and-roll age, his hard-rocking music and sultry style have triumphed so completely."

Memory
07-24-2007, 01:08 PM
He is still the king because he created his own musik style and made societyable Rock n Roll for all people.Black and white.He invented a music direction also for the future Popmusic he was the model.And so he is still a legend and every day he get new fans all over the world.A lot of Pop stars
Paul McCartney,John Lennon,Bruce Springsteen,Madonna and Elton John like Elvis. :D This are different age groups.It is still his throne,nowbody is like him.

EnigmaticSun
07-26-2007, 01:21 AM
Some names have obviously been able to get a firm place in this world - strangely enough during the 20th century the two most recognizable names are probably Hitler and Presley - though one may be in the context of a war and the other in the context of rock 'n roll, both are immediately recognized by face and name. I don't mean to bash Elvis this way - some respectable older men who knew and/or worked with Elvis (Hal Kanter, Martin Sheen) have drawn the very same parallel.

In a broader historical context, most probably know Moses and very, very likely Jesus Christ, some know Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar (I suppose not every famous name belongs to an angel) - but what Elvis has achieved more recently is very special.

His musical styles were refreshing to say the least, though I don't think white people daily came to drink coffee with the blacks - at least he made the boundary between 'black' or 'white' music less obvious.

Merry
07-26-2007, 02:58 AM
Some names have obviously been able to get a firm place in this world - strangely enough during the 20th century the two most recognizable names are probably Hitler and Presley - though one may be in the context of a war and the other in the context of rock 'n roll, both are immediately recognized by face and name. I don't mean to bash Elvis this way - some respectable older men who knew and/or worked with Elvis (Hal Kanter, Martin Sheen) have drawn the very same parallel.

In a broader historical context, most probably know Moses and very, very likely Jesus Christ, some know Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar (I suppose not every famous name belongs to an angel) - but what Elvis has achieved more recently is very special.

His musical styles were refreshing to say the least, though I don't think white people daily came to drink coffee with the blacks - at least he made the boundary between 'black' or 'white' music less obvious.


I appreciate your post, but reading it, what ran through my mind immediately, was:

Hitler = hate

Elvis = LOVE

Jess

Jumpsuit Junkie
07-26-2007, 10:11 AM
Some names have obviously been able to get a firm place in this world - strangely enough during the 20th century the two most recognizable names are probably Hitler and Presley - though one may be in the context of a war and the other in the context of rock 'n roll, both are immediately recognized by face and name. I don't mean to bash Elvis this way - some respectable older men who knew and/or worked with Elvis (Hal Kanter, Martin Sheen) have drawn the very same parallel.

In a broader historical context, most probably know Moses and very, very likely Jesus Christ, some know Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar (I suppose not every famous name belongs to an angel) - but what Elvis has achieved more recently is very special.

His musical styles were refreshing to say the least, though I don't think white people daily came to drink coffee with the blacks - at least he made the boundary between 'black' or 'white' music less obvious.

I'm not entirely sure why you would compare Elvis and Hitler in any context?

elvisfan4life
07-27-2007, 07:07 AM
After seeing "Next best thing" on tv these past several weeks, Elvis Presley is a part of our every day lives although we may not realize it. Heartbreak Elvis impersonator who won first place shows that even the young and old still have so much love and admiration for Elvis Presley and his music. My mother-in-law who is in her 70's loves Elvis Presley's gospel music, I'm in my 40's - had the privilege of seeing Elvis, and down to my daughter's age who will be starting high school this year - and her peers love Elvis' music. Elvis has such a wide genre of fans during his career and the same goes for now.

King_Creole
07-27-2007, 07:45 AM
Elvis may not be relevant now, but he will be again this coming August !!! :)

Elvis'Darlin
07-27-2007, 09:26 AM
There is the one word answer: Yes.

Elvis will always be relevant. He is American music. He is known world round. He is known by one name: Elvis! He had a talent that is everlasting. I understand that he is not thought of by the young people today very often, but they do know who he is and they recognize his image (gorgeous)and his voice (fabulous).

One thing that I am puzzled about. In the past on each tenth (or fifth) anniversary there was a lot of coverage in all media. This year, I haven't seen a lot of coverage by the print media. I know that there are many movies and documentaries on cable or satellite television, but not that much on broadcast television.

It would be helpful if the owners - Sillerman & the studios - would put more into the promotion of Elvis without regard for making money on everything... in other words, he could be put on "free" TV more. The FTDs could be a somewhat less expensive. I do appreciate the fact that there are more of the obscure songs being released to You Tube, without the legal threats. It may be a little late, however. Elvis seems to be more prominent in other countries where he has been freely shown in all venues for years and years.

But then, he still is Elvis. He will always be relevant because of his contributions to music, movies (yes, the movies), spectacular performances in concert. Elvis. Elvis. Elvis.


:!::!::!::!::!::!::!::!::!::!::!::!::!::!::!:

EnigmaticSun
08-04-2007, 01:02 AM
I'm not entirely sure why you would compare Elvis and Hitler in any context?

To answer your question, it was to point out a parallel which had been drawn by two older guys, Hal Kanter and Martin Sheen. They just mentioned this great impact on youth. I have stressed the fact that these are two different individuals with different walks of life, so to say - of course it's a shame the talent of one had been used (and abused) for the wrong purpose. I suppose he wouldn't have been so mad without capitalists from America and marxists from Russia interfering with Germany's culture and heritage!

Still, more comedians and actors bear this resemblance. I'd suggest you to see this French comedian/actor Louis de Fun?s:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si9rvDlTo9A

The way Dennis Hopper acts in Blue Velvet (his rage) reminds me of the same thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJtGCvKpEWM

If you want a direct parallel between Elvis' stage act and Hitler, you have to listen to the version of 'I Can't Stop Loving You' on the 'On Stage' album. The way he ends the song..

"herherher-daay-haay - hoah yeah - HOAH YEAH (song ends) -RAAAH (to finish it)".

Another parallel is his angry speech on stage in Las Vegas in 1974.. 'OUT OF THE ROOTS', know what I mean? I guess this is what people call charisma.

I hope this answers your question and if you don't like parts of it, at least allow some of my story to remain intact.

Jumpsuit Junkie
08-04-2007, 08:51 PM
To answer your question, it was to point out a parallel which had been drawn by two older guys, Hal Kanter and Martin Sheen. They just mentioned this great impact on youth. I have stressed the fact that these are two different individuals with different walks of life, so to say - of course it's a shame the talent of one had been used (and abused) for the wrong purpose. I suppose he wouldn't have been so mad without capitalists from America and marxists from Russia interfering with Germany's culture and heritage!

Still, more comedians and actors bear this resemblance. I'd suggest you to see this French comedian/actor Louis de Fun?s:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si9rvDlTo9A

The way Dennis Hopper acts in Blue Velvet (his rage) reminds me of the same thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJtGCvKpEWM

If you want a direct parallel between Elvis' stage act and Hitler, you have to listen to the version of 'I Can't Stop Loving You' on the 'On Stage' album. The way he ends the song..

"herherher-daay-haay - hoah yeah - HOAH YEAH (song ends) -RAAAH (to finish it)".

Another parallel is his angry speech on stage in Las Vegas in 1974.. 'OUT OF THE ROOTS', know what I mean? I guess this is what people call charisma.

I hope this answers your question and if you don't like parts of it, at least allow some of my story to remain intact.


I'm still at a loss as to why Elvis could be compared to Hitler, Hitler was a homicidal maniac who caused the genocide of millions of Jews :cursing: quite how this can be compared to anything Elvis did is beyond my comprehension. Elvis is angry in the Desert Storm speech, Hitler on the other hand was completely barking mad :supriced: As for the TTWII comparison :blink:

There are ways to assess impact on society, I just cannot compare the positive albeit risky impact of the 1950's Elvis to a detrimental impact of a tyrant who stifled freedom of speech and murdered millions due to a warped perception of what was right and wrong.....

I just find it extremely difficult to put into words how distasteful it is to compare these two people when I do not see any resemblance in there genetic makeup?

Joe Car
08-04-2007, 09:17 PM
I'm still at a loss as to why Elvis could be compared to Hitler, Hitler was a homicidal maniac who caused the genocide of millions of Jews :cursing: quite how this can be compared to anything Elvis did is beyond my comprehension. Elvis is angry in the Desert Storm speech, Hitler on the other hand was completely barking mad :supriced: As for the TTWII comparison :blink:

There are ways to assess impact on society, I just cannot compare the positive albeit risky impact of the 1950's Elvis to a detrimental impact of a tyrant who stifled freedom of speech and murdered millions due to a warped perception of what was right and wrong.....

I just find it extremely difficult to put into words how distasteful it is to compare these two people when I do not see any resemblance in there genetic makeup?

Yeah, like none of us have ever had a rant before. Christ, my dad use to scream at me all the time, I didn't associate him with the biggest piece of crap and coward known to man kind, Adolph Hitler. Was there a politer or more respectful person then Elvis, especially in the fifties! Given the rumour that was spreading around Vegas because of some a--hole, concerning EP having a heroin addiction, if that was me, I'd be pissed to. Tell you what, after the rant, that rumour died down very quickly.

Joe Car
08-04-2007, 09:20 PM
Thanks for that meaningful reaction!

Yes, Elvis did stir some controversy, but without saying f**k this or that, without throwing bottles at people, without shocking people with private parts and such, without saying 'it's all because of you capitalist pigs' (it's not that simple). He did his thing being a southern gentleman.

Watch Tiger Woods hit a bad shot, and you'll hear a lot of swearing, which only means he's human, as was Elvis.

Burning_Love
08-04-2007, 09:20 PM
Elvis is ALWAYS relevent in my heart..Always.

EnigmaticSun
08-06-2007, 12:32 AM
Sorry to morally offend you guys, I guess I'm a person as terrible as Hal Kanter and Martin Sheen. I'm so ashamed now.

And get this right: how many gypsies, handicapped people, gays/lesbians became victims? The Anglo-American bombs over Leipzig and Dresden, cities of culture? The American atomic bombs over Japan? After that, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and every guerilla in South and Middle-America? You Americans have invented genocide with guns, ask the Indians.

And Hitler was simply the result of YOUR political system. There's a-cultural fascism (USA) and cultural fascism (Germany, Italy, Japan).

And I have always praised Elvis' human side, probably even more than you do. Thanks.

To explain this, more people can get angry, of course - but some are to the extreme. Elvis had this acting talent, I suppose (too bad Hollywood didn't get more out of his potential) like Dennis Hopper, Louis de Fun?s and Bruno Ganz. Try to simulate that 'RAAAH' part in 'I Can't Stop Loving You', it's not that easy.

Jumpsuit Junkie
08-06-2007, 10:39 AM
Sorry to morally offend you guys, I guess I'm a person as terrible as Hal Kanter and Martin Sheen. I'm so ashamed now.

And get this right: how many gypsies, handicapped people, gays/lesbians became victims? The Anglo-American bombs over Leipzig and Dresden, cities of culture? The American atomic bombs over Japan? After that, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and every guerilla in South and Middle-America? You Americans have invented genocide with guns, ask the Indians.

And Hitler was simply the result of YOUR political system. There's a-cultural fascism (USA) and cultural fascism (Germany, Italy, Japan).

And I have always praised Elvis' human side, probably even more than you do. Thanks.

To explain this, more people can get angry, of course - but some are to the extreme. Elvis had this acting talent, I suppose (too bad Hollywood didn't get more out of his potential) like Dennis Hopper, Louis de Fun?s and Bruno Ganz. Try to simulate that 'RAAAH' part in 'I Can't Stop Loving You', it's not that easy.

You are taking this personally. I find it reprehensible that you are justifying Hitler's sick and twisted mind through a political Ideology that he did or did not subscribe too. Hitler was responsible for ethnic cleansing on the scale of which has never been seen by any leader ever. Quite how the Anglo Americans can be somehow made responsible for Hitlers actions evades me. Russia did not live by the same principals as the Anglo American Alliance but unified against Germany for their aggressive tactics across Europe. I have never, nor will I ever agree with war (by any country) as a means to gaining natural resources.

Hitler was an aggressor, he persecuted his own people and waged war across Europe. I have never read anywhere that Hitler killed Jews, Blacks, Gypsies or Gays because of the Anglo Americans, it was his own personal sick twisted mind and those who agreed to do his bidding!

Countries have for centuries killed each other and gone to war, this will not stop! I do not justify it, nor do I try to blame other countries for what one continent/country is doing.

It does not matter what your race, creed or colour is, we should all unite in our outrage against any leader who justifies the killing of others for political, personal reasons.

Obviously this has gone way off topic and I apologise.

Matt

Miss Clawdy
08-06-2007, 09:32 PM
Thank you for these words, Matt, I agree 10000000000%

EnigmaticSun
08-21-2007, 01:17 AM
You are taking this personally. I find it reprehensible that you are justifying Hitler's sick and twisted mind through a political Ideology that he did or did not subscribe too. Hitler was responsible for ethnic cleansing on the scale of which has never been seen by any leader ever. Quite how the Anglo Americans can be somehow made responsible for Hitlers actions evades me. Russia did not live by the same principals as the Anglo American Alliance but unified against Germany for their aggressive tactics across Europe. I have never, nor will I ever agree with war (by any country) as a means to gaining natural resources.

Hitler was an aggressor, he persecuted his own people and waged war across Europe. I have never read anywhere that Hitler killed Jews, Blacks, Gypsies or Gays because of the Anglo Americans, it was his own personal sick twisted mind and those who agreed to do his bidding!

Countries have for centuries killed each other and gone to war, this will not stop! I do not justify it, nor do I try to blame other countries for what one continent/country is doing.

It does not matter what your race, creed or colour is, we should all unite in our outrage against any leader who justifies the killing of others for political, personal reasons.

Obviously this has gone way off topic and I apologise.

Matt

At least I do appreciate you not having taken the entire thread off the board yet - I've been on message boards concerning racing and they are harder to live with, I suppose, which might imply our love for Elvis and music makes it a better board.

I will now try to point out exactly what I meant comparing these two persons. First of all, this comparison is purely 'beyond good and evil' (there's no moral or justifying tone in it) and some traits/characteristics people or things have in common don't imply they are the same - like a canary and a banana are both yellow, but not the same.

I've thought meticulously about this and came to the following parallels:

- Both had a great impact on the masses - take, for instance, the crowds going mad in the 70's. It's the point where a man comes and only has to move his finger to get the crowd going.

- Hitler used Wagner's work to enrich his speeches, Elvis used 'Also Sprach Zarathustra' to start his concerts (big, compelling pieces)

- Hitler had these raging speeches to hypnotize the crowd; these can be compared to Elvis' electrifying, high-energy driven performances from around 1970. They still need to find a performer who can stand that kind of pressure, so to say ;)

- Both had 'yes-men' around them who said 'I love you, I think you're great and to me you're like God's representation on earth', who eventually betrayed them.

- Towards the end, both made a day out of the night and needed to take medication to keep the body going.

- Both can be recognized by face and names - Hitler the guy with the moustache, Elvis the guy with the sideburns; Elvis means Presley or Presley means Elvis just like Adolf means Hitler or Hitler means Adolf.

I hope you will be able to understand I do know wars cause victims and I'm glad for Elvis he never persevered on intending to kill Mike Stone.

What I meant with 'your political system' is that we bleed because of your inflation and stock market crash. On top of that, who was behind the investors Brown Brothers Harriman and the Union Banking Corporation? Prescott Bush..

Hitler probably trusted England to support his fight against the communists and although there was at least some support from Great Britain, the influence from the USA was too great (in GB). America just ruins our culture and countries, then goes on to play the big liberator. I must correct a previous statement, though - these things are not because of 'Americans' in general, but because of the American political and financial system. I can be friends with Americans, just don't give me the big liberator thing or McDonalds. Well, at least Germany developed the bombs the Americans weren't capable of in the 40's and your country knew a slight economic improvement because of the weapon/war trade around '45.

Well, the genocide question: it's still hard to tell how many Native Americans have been killed, but it's not to be underestimated, even though there may not be one 'demon' for this - and remember Hitler too was surrounded by many opportunistic 'yes-men'.

It's no secret not just the Jews have been victims, there were more non-Jewish victims in WW2 than there have been Jewish.

I now hope to have given you all sufficient information and don't get me wrong - my passion for Elvis is not to be underestimated. Like I've said, my post is 'beyond good and evil', it's not to deny or to justify any war.

artfromtex
08-21-2007, 06:53 PM
first off, let me say that i believe most people are *****s. especially in the era of Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Pimp My Ride, etc, etc,

while older acts like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and the Doors still resonate with 16-20 year olds (who almost systematically delve into classic rock at that time) Elvis often gets ignored. i see this as the collateral damage of the caricature of Elvis that has been created post death. the "ahhh gimmee a jelly donut" version of Elvis that the masses latch on to. then you go up against the whole race thing. few of these *****s have the attention span to actually delve into his music and try to "get it". most of them just follow doctrine of "buy the t-shirt first, learn about the music later". do know how many goofy teenagers i see wearing an AC/DC shirt that couldn't tell ya who Bon Scott was to save their lives? these people don't get Elvis. i just take it as proof that Elvis really was the KING; because if these brain-dead *****s don't like you, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.

ksimms2
08-21-2007, 07:45 PM
Wow there are so many pages on this I don't have time right this second to sit and read them all...however...can I just say - look at the thousands who flocked to Graceland for Elvis' 30th anniversary candlelight vigil - and that's only those that could afford to go. Others, like myself, who could not afford to go probably also equals thousands, hundreds of thousands, so I guess my point is - Elvis is certainly a legend, still a wonderful entertainer (even in death) and as far as I am concerned will always be.

My daughter (who is 10) likes Elvis and now her 11 yr old friend does too....so yes the younger generation is certainly getting turned on to the King....

Now this is how us fans feel - how those who "own" Elvis now - that's another story - they are certainly commercializing him just for profit.....so it's up to us fans to keep his memory alive for the right reasons....

I hope this answers your questions?

ksimms2
08-21-2007, 07:55 PM
After seeing "Next best thing" on tv these past several weeks, Elvis Presley is a part of our every day lives although we may not realize it. Heartbreak Elvis impersonator who won first place shows that even the young and old still have so much love and admiration for Elvis Presley and his music. My mother-in-law who is in her 70's loves Elvis Presley's gospel music, I'm in my 40's - had the privilege of seeing Elvis, and down to my daughter's age who will be starting high school this year - and her peers love Elvis' music. Elvis has such a wide genre of fans during his career and the same goes for now.

absolutely agree! and by the way.....your Elvis song "If I can Dream" is my FAVORITE! :king:

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-28-2008, 02:26 PM
Rather than start a new thread I thought I would revive an old one ;)

Now that the hubbub of the 30th anniversary has passed and the immediate relevance of Sillerman the saviour seems to have diminished somewhat, how do you think this will impact Elvis' relevance in the coming years....

Is there any big events that will get the attention of the media and public at large? It seems to me that there is very little media coverage at the moment... No revamped songs or albums to peak the wider public!

Am I wrong, is there something going on that I have missed? (Please don't turn this into a Graceland Thread).

Getlo
02-28-2008, 02:37 PM
the immediate relevance of Sillerman the saviour seems to have diminished somewhat

:lmfao: D-a-m-n right! Can't wait for the fireworks over that one!


t seems to me that there is very little media coverage at the moment... No revamped songs or albums to peak the wider public!

That's a natural thing. Elvis' 73rd birthday and 31st anniversary aren't milestones, so it's to be expected.

As for no revamped songs etc, that's entirely BMG and EPE's fault. I have to say though, enough with the remixes! They missed a great opportunity last year for the 30th anniversary, and what did we get? More Greatest Hits crap. Sick of it.

As I've said before, BS and his cronies are spending too much time concentrating on Graceland as a business, and are neglecting the essence of Elvis: his music.

jak
02-28-2008, 02:40 PM
Im glad you got the thread going again.This is an interesting one.I for one think things will quiet down considerably now in the Elvis world.There just isnt anything left to cause a big spark.I dont see anything EPE or BMG can use to cause any marketing or media frenzy.It's only natural for this to happen.Elvis' memory will always exist but it wont be as prevelant.Time just slowly erades a person's influence over the years.His music will carry on though as well it should and deserve to.Another thing contributing to this is the passing of his contemporaries.The people who can relate first hand knowledge of him are not getting any younger.The same goes for his fans who were loyal while he was alive.He will always have fans but I dont think it's the same.It's different when you have actual memories of him when he was around.He was tangible.The newer fans can only imagine what it was like back then.Things will be very different from now on I think.I have always said the 3oth was the last hurrah in a way.
Jak

Getlo
02-28-2008, 02:53 PM
I dont see anything EPE or BMG can use to cause any marketing or media frenzy.

Elvis On Tour - special 4-DVD (at least) edition! (y)

jak
02-28-2008, 03:00 PM
Elvis On Tour - special 4-DVD (at least) edition! (y)

I think when and if that happens only the fans will care.I dont think the general public is going to take notice.The releases of Aloha and 68 had broad appeal due to their noteriety.Some shows filmed in Va or NC just wont catch the people's imagination no matter how good they are.The general public has never heard of EOT.That's why it hasnt been released already.They are afraid to lose money on it.Generally speaking Elvis dvd's are not huge sellers.The 30th would have been the best time to do it.The fact it wasnt released to cash in speaks volumes.I would love to be proven wrong.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-28-2008, 03:09 PM
BS and his cronies are spending too much time concentrating on Graceland as a business, and are neglecting the essence of Elvis: his music.

Agreed, as the saying goes, "The Image is one thing..."


I have always said the 3oth was the last hurrah in a way.
Jak

I agree we have perhaps reached a level where no new material is available. The desire to bring the existing material up to a mechanisable quality (On Tour a prime example) with a limited audience is less appealing, than say re-releasing a hits CD.


Elvis On Tour - special 4-DVD (at least) edition! (y)

I would buy this in a heartbeat, unfortunately it has a limited market, especially as the 68 Deluxe and Aloha series struggled by all accounts :'(

The King's Queen
02-28-2008, 03:13 PM
As for no revamped songs etc, that's entirely BMG and EPE's fault. I have to say though, enough with the remixes! They missed a great opportunity last year for the 30th anniversary, and what did we get? More Greatest Hits crap. Sick of it.

As I've said before, BS and his cronies are spending too much time concentrating on Graceland as a business, and are neglecting the essence of Elvis: his music.


:notworthy:notworthyGetlo...you are right on the money! (y)

IMO, Graceland and Elvis go hand in hand...BUT...it was not Graceland that made him a phenomenon. IT WAS HIS MUSIC! BS and the 'cronies' are looking at keeping the money rolling in IN a BIG way. Which is to up the anty on the "Graceland Experience", and up the price tags that go along with it! :angry: They seem to be forgetting that his music, his 'essence', is the one key essential to keeping the flow pumped up in the veins of Elvis fans... This is why I said a long, long time ago...

ENOUGH OF THE COMMERCIALISM THAT HAS BECOME GRACELAND! :cursing:

I'm not necessarily against upkeep of the place, nor making it more enjoyable for the fans. But when you go to extremes with it and then expect the fans to cover the cost by upping prices, it seems to me that his MUSIC and his LEGACY get put on the back burner. Middle class America cannot afford to foot the bill for this type of stuff, and thus, most will decide NOT to go there just because of that alone. If they really want to keep Elvis alive musically, why not spend more money on the thing that drew the fans to him to begin with....? Makes no sense to me at all:!::blink:

cameron
02-28-2008, 04:12 PM
Not a lot makes sense since "Elvis the man " has been taken out of the equation. IMO, we will see a lot more commercialism and "selling of Elvis" the money making side.
Nope, I don't like it, but it's already done. I just hope Lisa doesn't regret it.

As for Elvis' music, my 2 year old grandson recognizes his voice ,sometimes before I do. ;) To me, that's a good thing ! I still have hopes for the man !!

KPM
02-28-2008, 11:51 PM
Well we are talking about new projects and things which might be on the horizon since the 30th has come and gone. But lets face it if they announced lets say a new remix album- half of we fans would be against it.
You can see this here on this forum(or actually any Elvis forum when the subject comes up) So why would BMG or anyone consider the time, expense and trouble of doing it-if half the fans are against it? I mean they would want to reach new fans, but they have to count on the old fans some to make it profitable. So if there research department knows half of us strongly oppose remixes-why should they take a chance. Same with the DVD editions of Elvis movies-they did a remix of TTWII at Turner and it sold poorly.(partly because they premiered it on TCM before it went on sale and partly because it had no extras IMO) but since it did not sell-why go to the expense to do it to EOT?
Don't we as fans send a mixed message to the people who can make choices such as remixes, duets albums, or movie releases-we complain they are not doing anything-but half of us don't want what they might be able to do-if they thought it would sell?

KPM
02-28-2008, 11:52 PM
Agreed, as the saying goes, "The Image is one thing..."



I agree we have perhaps reached a level where no new material is available. The desire to bring the existing material up to a mechanisable quality (On Tour a prime example) with a limited audience is less appealing, than say re-releasing a hits CD.



I would buy this in a heartbeat, unfortunately it has a limited market, especially as the 68 Deluxe and Aloha series struggled by all accounts :'(
I thought they did pretty well considering they stayed in the charts quite a while?

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-29-2008, 09:30 AM
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I thought they did pretty well considering they stayed in the charts quite a while?

These projects did do well in terms of being an Elvis Presley release however I was comparing them to other modern day artists :hmm:

ehollier
02-29-2008, 01:35 PM
Without a doubt is he relavent!!! He is responsible for changing everything!!!!! Its hard to imagine today things being so different, but before he came on the seen, things were quire a bit 'stuffy' for all fo those post war baby-boomers who were listening to Frank Sinatra. No one else has made the impact that Elvis has!!!!

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-29-2008, 02:43 PM
Without a doubt is he relavent!!! He is responsible for changing everything!!!!! Its hard to imagine today things being so different, but before he came on the seen, things were quire a bit 'stuffy' for all fo those post war baby-boomers who were listening to Frank Sinatra. No one else has made the impact that Elvis has!!!!

The impact that Elvis had in the 1950's is not in question here, what I was trying to establish is.... Is Elvis relevant to those born after his passing and the teenagers of today?

Diane
02-29-2008, 03:09 PM
Yes I think Elvis is relevant to everyone in one form or another. Those who were born after or are young teens, if they haven't become Elvis fans at least know who he is, what he did and is considered the King.

Diane

TCBnAflash
02-29-2008, 03:23 PM
The question pops up now and again on FECC and Elvisnumberones.

My take is Elvis's music no longer relies on a young audience exclusively.

He has become a Classic artist.

Like the great Ludwig Van Beethoven, but Elvis attracts discerning popular music lovers. That magnificent voice heard at it's best cannot help but seduce listeners.

Having said that. If the media can sell Johnny Cash to the general public again on a huge scale, the same could be done for Elvis. I like Johnny Cash but he is nowhere in the same league as Elvis Presley.

Statistics don't turn me on, Elvis's records turned generations on and will continue to do so, just ask my grandchildren as they watch "Loving You".

Seriously, one day that movie was on our TV and I looked at my wife, daughter and her three daughters and they were enraptured watching Elvis sing to Dolores Hart! :-)

http://irelandtoo.blogspot.com

I hear young people sometimes say,"Elvis was cool but his music sucked" I'm just quoting my girlfriends little sister and her friends here.
When I asked them, do you know any Elvis songs? they try really hard to think about it, only to come up with, "Hound Dog". But in reality, that music started 50years ago so it seems old to them. I wasn't brought up that way.
Even Elvis was way before my time but I just liked good singing voices.
This whole Johnny Cash thing should have happened with Elvis. For some reason, maybe it's getting a good percentage on using his name, these movie makers just have nothing to do with Elvis.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-29-2008, 03:40 PM
I hear young people sometimes say,"Elvis was cool but his music sucked" I'm just quoting my girlfriends little sister and her friends here.
When I asked them, do you know any Elvis songs? they try really hard to think about it, only to come up with, "Hound Dog". But in reality, that music started 50years ago so it seems old to them. I wasn't brought up that way.
Even Elvis was way before my time but I just liked good singing voices.
This whole Johnny Cash thing should have happened with Elvis. For some reason, maybe it's getting a good percentage on using his name, these movie makers just have nothing to do with Elvis.


The reason Hollywood don't go near Elvis with a bargepole is because he has an Image problem! No matter what way you slice it, they have to end the film with Elvis being overweight saying "Thank you very much" and dress someone up in a spangly jumpsuit thus perpetuating an Image that doesn't need perpetuating!

The film made by Kurt Russel is the closest we are going to get. :supriced:

TotallyInsane
02-29-2008, 04:17 PM
Personally, I think Sillerman may end up with some egg on his face. I tend to think that the fans that were around when he was here have had a whole lot to do with keeping his name out there. I don't see how that will continue with the kids of today growing up...like someone above posted...they don't have the personal memories or the real connection to him as his fans once had. I think 30 was the big rah rah and there will be no more that big again!!! My gut feeling is there are others in Memphis who had been thinking the same thing and that's why the decision was made to do what was done a couple of years ago....just in case this happened. To me, it was pretty smart thinking in advance. Yeah, there may be still be a tourist attraction but at some point - that's all it's going to be.

cameron
02-29-2008, 04:26 PM
Personally, I think Sillerman may end up with some egg on his face. I tend to think that the fans that were around when he was here have had a whole lot to do with keeping his name out there. I don't see how that will continue with the kids of today growing up...like someone above posted...they don't have the personal memories or the real connection to him as his fans once had. I think 30 was the big rah rah and there will be no more that big again!!! My gut feeling is there are others in Memphis who had been thinking the same thing and that's why the decision was made to do what was done a couple of years ago....just in case this happened. To me, it was pretty smart thinking in advance. Yeah, there may be still be a tourist attraction but at some point - that's all it's going to be.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. It was my opinion when the sale took place. I hope I'm proven wrong.

Jumpsuit Junkie
02-29-2008, 05:01 PM
The problem with EPE/Sillerman and Co is that they are too far removed from the fans and what they want. It would be interesting to see if any surveys have been conducted into what the fans want?

The optimist in me says that Elvis will be around for a long time to come, 30 years have past and we are still here talking about Elvis so not everything is wrong with the Elvis world. I was only 8 when Elvis died and it was his death that led me to being a fan.

Perhaps Sillerman has got some tricks up his sleeve when the Graceland projects have been completed.

TotallyInsane
02-29-2008, 05:08 PM
The problem with EPE/Sillerman and Co is that they are too far removed from the fans and what they want. It would be interesting to see if any surveys have been conducted into what the fans want?

The optimist in me says that Elvis will be around for a long time to come, 30 years have past and we are still here talking about Elvis so not everything is wrong with the Elvis world. I was only 8 when Elvis died and it was his death that led me to being a fan.

Perhaps Sillerman has got some tricks up his sleeve when the Graceland projects have been completed.

We can only hope!!!

KPM
03-01-2008, 09:35 PM
These projects did do well in terms of being an Elvis Presley release however I was comparing them to other modern day artists :hmm:
You are correct compared to modern artists they do pale.
My local Walmart still stocks the single disc version of both the 68 Special and the Aloha in the top 20 of their big sellers. But the multi disc sets are not stocked.

utmom2008
03-01-2008, 11:35 PM
The people who can relate first hand knowledge of him are not getting any younger.The same goes for his fans who were loyal while he was alive.He will always have fans but I dont think it's the same.It's different when you have actual memories of him when he was around.He was tangible.The newer fans can only imagine what it was like back then.Things will be very different from now on I think.I have always said the 3oth was the last hurrah in a way.
Jak

I totally agree with you on this Jak. It's a conversation that SweetCaroline and TotallyInsane and I have had before. It's also something that is difficult to put in to words without sounding bragadocious, so in turn we don't say alot. It's wonderful that some of the younger ones have found him to love and admire.
But...unless you were there, it's impossible to explain what it was like. We all 3 agree also that there is no way to put into words what it was like being in that Vegas showroom. There are no words. As the 3 of us agree...concerts were a great fix until it was time for Vegas again. I for one know that I will never experience anything quite like that again. It can't ever be duplicated.:blush::sad:

utmom2008
03-01-2008, 11:39 PM
I'm still at a loss as to why Elvis could be compared to Hitler, Hitler was a homicidal maniac who caused the genocide of millions of Jews :cursing: quite how this can be compared to anything Elvis did is beyond my comprehension. Elvis is angry in the Desert Storm speech, Hitler on the other hand was completely barking mad :supriced: As for the TTWII comparison :blink:

There are ways to assess impact on society, I just cannot compare the positive albeit risky impact of the 1950's Elvis to a detrimental impact of a tyrant who stifled freedom of speech and murdered millions due to a warped perception of what was right and wrong.....

I just find it extremely difficult to put into words how distasteful it is to compare these two people when I do not see any resemblance in there genetic makeup?
I agree with you at least 1000% on all of this. I keep re-reading this, but I can't make any sense at all out of it....none. Elvis and Hitler........I can't seem tp process this, and not sure that I even want to try. (n):mad:

KPM
03-02-2008, 12:08 AM
Well lets remember people were saying the 25th anniversary with the ALLC hit was the last great hurrah-and now the 30th year was pretty good also.
So lets hope the 35th surprizes us!

utmom2008
03-02-2008, 12:42 AM
So lets hope the 35th surprizes us!

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

KPM
03-02-2008, 04:33 AM
Personally, I think Sillerman may end up with some egg on his face. I tend to think that the fans that were around when he was here have had a whole lot to do with keeping his name out there. I don't see how that will continue with the kids of today growing up...like someone above posted...they don't have the personal memories or the real connection to him as his fans once had. I think 30 was the big rah rah and there will be no more that big again!!! My gut feeling is there are others in Memphis who had been thinking the same thing and that's why the decision was made to do what was done a couple of years ago....just in case this happened. To me, it was pretty smart thinking in advance. Yeah, there may be still be a tourist attraction but at some point - that's all it's going to be.
Young people today are much more prone to move onto the next big thing. SInatra fans always loved Sinatra, Elvis fans love Elvis, Beatle fans still love the Beatles etc....today music stars are thrown away quicker than ever and nothing seems to really grab young people in a permanent way like the ones I mentioned.

The King's Queen
03-02-2008, 04:37 AM
Young people today are much more prone to move onto the next big thing. SInatra fans always loved Sinatra, Elvis fans love Elvis, Beatle fans still love the Beatles etc....today music stars are thrown away quicker than ever and nothing seems to really grab young people in a permanent way like the ones I mentioned.

I agree KPM. Seems as if the younger generation is rather shallow in some ways. They don't 'grab hold' of an idol and remain loyal. At least, not like we did. ;) But we have quite a few young'uns on this forum...and so I feel that the lure that is Elvis will still be able to snag it's fair share of fans throughout the coming generations. At least I hope so...:king:

Jumpsuit Junkie
03-02-2008, 12:03 PM
Young people today are much more prone to move onto the next big thing. SInatra fans always loved Sinatra, Elvis fans love Elvis, Beatle fans still love the Beatles etc....today music stars are thrown away quicker than ever and nothing seems to really grab young people in a permanent way like the ones I mentioned.

I agree that the youth of today are more fluid with their loyalties these days. This is a deliberate strategy by the music Moguls like Simon Cowell, they realise that a star will sell x amount of records in their first 3-5 years so they do not invest it longevity, they are simply a commodity that is discarded once their popularity starts to fade. There isn't the same set up these days to ensure that stars are given the support or tools to make a life long career. There are a few stars who have achieved cult status but the media and the public at large are only to willing to let them fall (Michael Jackson). The media these days is a frenzy, stars are put out to dry by their record labels who do not protect them (Britney Spears).

I suppose in one way the Colonel was there for Elvis as he was only managing one star and put all his energies into promoting his career albeit without thought for the person and his health!

The King's Queen
03-02-2008, 02:59 PM
I agree that the youth of today are more fluid with their loyalties these days. This is a deliberate strategy by the music Moguls like Simon Cowell, they realise that a star will sell x amount of records in their first 3-5 years so they do not invest it longevity, they are simply a commodity that is discarded once their popularity starts to fade. There isn't the same set up these days to ensure that stars are given the support or tools to make a life long career. There are a few stars who have achieved cult status but the media and the public at large are only to willing to let them fall (Michael Jackson). The media these days is a frenzy, stars are put out to dry by their record labels who do not protect them (Britney Spears).

I suppose in one way the Colonel was there for Elvis as he was only managing one star and put all his energies into promoting his career albeit without thought for the person and his health!

WELL SAID JJ! (y):notworthy:king:

Diane
03-02-2008, 03:40 PM
I totally agree with your post Matt.

Diane

KPM
03-02-2008, 07:52 PM
I agree that the youth of today are more fluid with their loyalties these days. This is a deliberate strategy by the music Moguls like Simon Cowell, they realise that a star will sell x amount of records in their first 3-5 years so they do not invest it longevity, they are simply a commodity that is discarded once their popularity starts to fade. There isn't the same set up these days to ensure that stars are given the support or tools to make a life long career. There are a few stars who have achieved cult status but the media and the public at large are only to willing to let them fall (Michael Jackson). The media these days is a frenzy, stars are put out to dry by their record labels who do not protect them (Britney Spears).

I suppose in one way the Colonel was there for Elvis as he was only managing one star and put all his energies into promoting his career albeit without thought for the person and his health!
I could draw a comparison to the music videos which are produced for MTV-the quick cut is king. Fast changing, little substance, flashy with glitter and explosions. Don't let the camera set in one place too long-they might get bored.

Broussey
07-17-2008, 09:08 PM
Elvis was here 50 years ago ..He will be Here in another 50 years and probably 50 years after that:D

SeeSeeRider777
07-17-2008, 09:50 PM
They will be talking about Elvis Aron Presley till the end of time.

Unchained Melody
07-19-2008, 07:49 AM
They will be talking about Elvis Aron Presley till the end of time.

And most likely after that aswell :P;)

fillaelvis
08-24-2008, 09:10 PM
From Here to ETERNITY you can say. He will be on earth forever and FOREVER. He IS relevant. A legend. We miss him.