Vernon Presley after Elvis died

[JDD]

I forget who, but last week someone in here in passing in another post wonder aloud that they wondered what Vernon did, who spent time with him in his last days. I've wondered that myself and exhusted my book collection and the web searchers trying to find answers Now I'm Just going to ask here.

How did the man spend his days following Elvis death? I know there are claims he changed the will after Elvis died, that he cut ties with the rest of the guys Elvis still had around and the opinions of his business abilities handling Elvis affairs are not very glowing. Business wise and Personal life I'm interested in the mans life after that date. Anyone have any Info or any tips on where I could find it? How did he come to chose Priscilla as the person to take over if something happened to him, who was with him in his final days when he was sick? I find the whole father son relationship they had interesting and Vernon in general .

I know there was supposedly a public Appearence on the TV show "Hee Haw" at some point where he was introduced as Elvis Presleys father. Other then that I haven't really been able to find any other public appearences.

Where do you look to learn more about Vernon?

[Diane]

That was my question JDD. I hope someone will be able to give us all some information on what was going on with Vernon after Elvis' death. So little is written about him.

[joanne]

I think the poor man lost the will to live.
I feel so sorry for him at the end of the CBS Special when he thanks the fans for sending him letters etc and he says god bless you.
He was a beautiful man and after Elvis died although he was already in ill health before he completely went downhill.
I believe he died of a broken heart. He loved his son.
When he was in hospital practically dying Priscilla was visited him trying to get him to sign everything over to her.

[0349054]

When Elvis died Vernon was living on Dolan with Sandy Miller. After Elvis's death he moved into Graceland. He sold Dolan and also had to sell Elvis's planes to pay the bills, seeing as Elvis didn't have much cash in the bank when he died.

He made a public appearence also at the Las Vegas Hilton with The Colonel when the statue of Elvis was unveiled and also appeared with Priscilla on occasion.

It was on his death bed that Priscilla convinced him to turn the will over to her along with a few other trustees. Such as Beecher if my memory serves me correctly and the bank. Vernon hesitated on that for a quite a while and she got real mad over it. As for the will being altered, Billy Smith says it's different than the one Elvis gave him, which he then gave to Patsy Presley who called him and asked for it on Vernons behalf after Elvis died.

Vernon also burnt a lot of paperwork following Elvis's death. It has been rumoured that Glady's had left a will stating what her brothers and sisters were to get and again its rumoured that Vernon did not abide by her wishes.

The will information is rumour, I can't confirm it. Vernon was engadged to Sandy Miller.

Delta was the last person to live in the house and she had the keys and a free run of the mansion when tours were over, she had a bedroom just off the kitchen.

[JDD]

Yes Diane, sorry I just couldn't remember who'd asked. I knew it was a question in one of the threads and since I've started searching through all the books and websites I could find and there just isn't a lot so far.

Joanne , I agree, it had to be hard outliving both your wife, and both your Kids.

I know "uncle vester" was kept around for the rest of his life as well but in all the years of reading of Elvis, I don't remember ever hearing if Vernon and Vester were close though I know the brothers married sisters. I'd personally gotten to speak with Vester a couple of times and got a book signed by him, and listened to him tell me some of his stories of course at the time I only asked things about Elvis. He was a real charicter.

Thanks 0349054 for the response. I'd heard some of that with Sandy Miller but didn't know they were officially engaged . I know the Dee Stanley marriage ended very badly and supposedly he lost a house and a lot of money in that settlement.

Hopefully more info on this topic gets uncovered. A lot of folks here have a lot of good refrence material so maybe we'll get some answers Diane. We have a start anyway.

I should start a file on anything I can find out on the topic . For whatever reason he really interests me, maybe because he spoke like and slightly resembles my deseased Grandfather. and also the father of the King.

A couple of the guys GK, Red, Joe, Marty etc have also stated that Vernon was known to be able to carry a tune as well .

[franny]

Is Delta still alive? Has she made any comments about Elvis, Vernon or living at Graceland?

franny

[JDD]

I can't remember the date but She's also gone now Franny. They say She didn't really like the fans so she probably doesn't have a lot of documented quotes.

[0349054]

Delta lived at the house until she died. She was there when it opened for tours and occupied a bedroom off the kitchen, for a while the kitchen wasn't part of the tour as Delta was still living in the house. Once the tours finished she had a free run of the whole house.

She wasnt happy about the fans being in there, she cursed and ran at fans, and also cursed at Priscilla and Jack Soden when they were discussing the opening of the house.

It was her home, and quite rightly she didn't want strangers walking all about it. I'll try dig out some pictures of her in her later years at Graceland, she got quite frail towards the end.

[Tony Trout]

FYI: Delta Mae Biggs passed away in 1993

[JDD]

Delta lived at the house until she died. She was there when it opened for tours and occupied a bedroom off the kitchen, for a while the kitchen wasn't part of the tour as Delta was still living in the house. Once the tours finished she had a free run of the whole house.

She wasnt happy about the fans being in there, she cursed and ran at fans, and also cursed at Priscilla and Jack Soden when they were discussing the opening of the house.

It was her home, and quite rightly she didn't want strangers walking all about it. I'll try dig out some pictures of her in her later years at Graceland, she got quite frail towards the end.



Ha ha haa ! yeah thats true . Last June when I was there I was talking to a lady who was there for the 27th time. She was telling me this story about Delta coming out from a door near the car port in the back and cussing out fans.

To me it was a very odd living arrangement. I can see taking in parents in a house that big but the extended family, the friends etc , that stuff would get on my nerves fast. I'm surprised there isn't more Mobil Homes on the property then there are.

[Diane]

I'm so glad your started this thread JDD. I should have thought of it but didn't. Sure hope we can find out more about Vernon. There is so much mystery surrounding Elvis' last will. I have a hard time believing that it was Vernon who destroyed or altered it even though he was well known to be very tight and not to want to part with money. I can't see him cutting Billy out.

I almost hate to suggest it but Patsy Presley was a good friend of PP's wasn't she? What happened to that will after Billy gave it to Patsy? Did it go straight to Vernon or did it take a detour? There is just something so wrong about the whole thing.

I read where Delta was quite the looney in that house. Bad temper, drank too much and caused quite a bit of havock around the place. Poor old thing though, it must have been hard for her to be invaded by fans.

I also read where Vernon and Gladys both had nice singing voices and Gladys loved to dance. I love that picture where Elvis is playing the piano and they are singing together.

Joanne, I'm sure you were right that the heart went out of Vernon after Elvis died. I don't think he was very close to anyone except Gladys and Elvis.

[JDD]

I'm so glad your started this thread JDD. I should have thought of it but didn't. Sure hope we can find out more about Vernon. There is so much mystery surrounding Elvis' last will. I have a hard time believing that it was Vernon who destroyed or altered it even though he was well known to be very tight and not to want to part with money. I can't see him cutting Billy out.

I almost hate to suggest it but Patsy Presley was a good friend of PP's wasn't she? What happened to that will after Billy gave it to Patsy? Did it go straight to Vernon or did it take a detour? There is just something so wrong about the whole thing.

I read where Delta was quite the looney in that house. Bad temper, drank too much and caused quite a bit of havock around the place. Poor old thing though, it must have been hard for her to be invaded by fans.

I also read where Vernon and Gladys both had nice singing voices and Gladys loved to dance. I love that picture where Elvis is playing the piano and they are singing together.

Joanne, I'm sure you were right that the heart went out of Vernon after Elvis died. I don't think he was very close to anyone except Gladys and Elvis.




Well being an old Southern Boy (Transplanted from TN to IL myself) I imagine Vernon was probably close with his Mom. I was just thinking Vernon Outlived all his own Family , but "the Dodger" had to also have had it rough out living and having to see her own Son and even Grandson pass on first .

[Redroo]

I think the poor man lost the will to live.
I feel so sorry for him at the end of the CBS Special when he thanks the fans for sending him letters etc and he says god bless you.
He was a beautiful man and after Elvis died although he was already in ill health before he completely went downhill.
I believe he died of a broken heart. He loved his son.
When he was in hospital practically dying Priscilla was visited him trying to get him to sign everything over to her.
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That is a joke right, pic trying to get Vernon to sign everything over to her, really did this happen?

[Diane]

Yes there was Minnie Mae still there for Vernon and I'm sure he was close to her too. Aunt Delta was also there and I guess uncle Vester but I don't think there's been any mention of how close he was to his sibblings.

No matter what that poor Presley family had more than their share of heartache even after Elvis became famous and relieved their financial worries.

[riley]

I have a pic of Vernon, in his last days, being in the hospital.

Priscilla and Lisa are standing next to his bed.

They seemed to get along still very good.

[joanne]

vernon was smiling at his granddaughter Lisa who he loved.
when vernon was with priscilla at the statue unveling he snubbed her.

[JDD]

I have a pic of Vernon, in his last days, being in the hospital.

Priscilla and Lisa are standing next to his bed.

They seemed to get along still very good.


Riley do you have that photo uploaded here somewhere? Where did you come across that photo? I figured on this site where people seem to have a lot of refrence material that someone would have more info then has come out so far, so I'd be happy to see anything you have related to it if possible.

[Redroo]

I have a pic of Vernon, in his last days, being in the hospital.

Priscilla and Lisa are standing next to his bed.

They seemed to get along still very good.

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Riley you share that pic with use mate...

[franny]

Did Elvis' other relatives ever live at Graceland, such as Patsy Presley or Billy Smith or any others from Gladys' or Vernon's side of the family?

I never hear anything on this...

franny

[Diane]

Franny, I don't know if Patsy Presley lived at Graceland but I do know that Billy did. Quite a few others did too in trailors at the back of Graceland but I don't know who they were except Billy and Charlie. Maybe someone else can tell us more?

[wild4elvis1962]

Aunt Delta Mae Biggs Is Dead....she Died Not Long After Vernon.

[riley]

Quite some trailers in the back of Graceland.

I don't think anyone exactly knows who lived in them and in which period they did.

I think it quite changed a lot, depending on several situations.

Patsy had her own house with her husband not that far off.

While Elvis was alive, I think the Presley and Smith family was all kept together in some way but it all changed .

It looks like Lisa nor Priscilla still have anything to do with them anymore.

That always puzzles me till today.

Also his former friends don't have any contact with them anymore except Schilling and obvious in the dvd EBTP also Patsy Presley.

And I'm even not sure about Joe Esposito, or is former wife Joanne who was Cilla's best friend at the time.

It is so unusual to me. Billy Smith was very good to him in those last months they were real close and he is also ignored by them.

WHY???:doh:


Is it because they think themselves to good or any other reasons:hmm: :hmm:


I'll share the pic of Vernon in his hospital bed with you in my next post.;)

[riley]

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9089/z31djpgob9.jpg



vernon's grave just after the funeral




http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7451/z31dasf7.jpg

[JDD]

Riley, I've never seen that picture before. Thanks for posting it. Vernon looks like he lost a considerable amount of weight before he died.

[Tony Trout]

Aunt Delta Mae Biggs Is Dead....she Died Not Long After Vernon.


As I already stated in an earlier post:

Delta Mae Biggs Presley passed away on June 29, 1993...nearly fourteen years after Vernon Presley.

[memphis 77]

this is total bunk about priscilla demanding vernon to sighn the rights over to her and the bank, ELVIS left a provision in his will that VERNON assume control over his estae and become executor of E.P.E. Also a provision was made that lisa would assume all assetts control afetr vernons death or her 18 th birthday. VERNON relinquished all control to PRISCILLA 2 months before his death, VERNON was really close to priscilla /vice versa, he had alot of respect for her, as this did not go to probate.

[Tony Trout]

Actually, Vernon fought tooth and nail against Priscilla being executor of Elvis's estate. He never had any intention of her having control of Graceland. Here's a quote from
Marty Lacker from "Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memphis Mafia":


"On June 26, 1979--Colone's seventieth birthday--Vernon died of heart failure at sixty-three.. They buried him in the Meditation Garden, next to Elvis. Then the next year, Grandma died at eighty-six. And they buried her on the other side of Elvis

Right after Elvis died, Priscilla tried to get into acting, and for quite a while, she didn't have mushc success. So a year before Vernon died, she began maneuvering to gain control of the estate.

In early 1978, Priscilla and her sister, Michelle, stopped in to see us in California. They were on their way to the La Costa Spa in San Diego. Id' call Priscilla from time to time and say, "Anytime you need me to do something for you or Lisa, feel free to call me." I did it for Elvis, really. But she would always say, "Oh, thank you. Thank you."

Vernon was still alive, and he was the executor of the estate. And Priscilla sat there and whined to me that Vernon wouldn't name her as his successor. She said she wanted to be sure that Lisa Marie was protected. But that was only half the truth. Priscilla wanted control of the estate for her own sake.

She said, "Marty, what am I going to do? I keep pleading with him, but he won't do it." I said, "Priscilla, you've got to find a way to convince him that you don't want it for any other reason than to look out for Lisa."

Elvis's will said that if Vernon died without naming somebody, the National Bank Of Commerce in Memphis would become the executor and/or trustee. So Priscilla was desperate.

During that visit, she told me her father wanted to buy a liquor store in northern California. And she said she had asked Elvis if he would give her father $100,000.00. I'll never forget this. She said, "Elvis was going to do it, but then he up and died." Just like that. "And there went my father's liquor store because Vernon won't honor what Elvis said he'd do." But that's Little Miss Goody Two-shoes for you.

The fact is, she aced her way into being an executor, even though she wasn't Elvis's widow and she wasn't in his will. Elvis had no intention of Priscilla running the estate."



So there you have it...little Prissy lied her way into gaining control of Graceland....

[0349054]

this is total bunk about priscilla demanding vernon to sighn the rights over to her and the bank, ELVIS left a provision in his will that VERNON assume control over his estae and become executor of E.P.E. Also a provision was made that lisa would assume all assetts control afetr vernons death or her 18 th birthday. VERNON relinquished all control to PRISCILLA 2 months before his death, VERNON was really close to priscilla /vice versa, he had alot of respect for her, as this did not go to probate.

Don't know where you got that info from, but Vernon got more people involved in it than just Priscilla to keep an eye on her. He knew what she was like, and knew why his son had left NO provisions for her in HIS will.

Speaks volumes really.

[Tony Trout]

Don't know where you got that info from, but Vernon got more people involved in it than just Priscilla to keep an eye on her. He knew what she was like, and knew why his son had left NO provisions for her in HIS will.

Speaks volumes really.


That's correct....Vernon definitely knew what Priscilla was like and he fought like Hell (unsuccessfully) to keep her from gaining control of Elvis's estate.

[Dovey]

"Amen" "03" and Tony Trout !!!!! :cool: :D Dovey

[Diane]

Double Amen!! It couldn't have been any other way.....

[memphis 77]

again who cares what MARTY says he wasn't there for over 10 years, the transcripts from probate court clearly state that vernon gave control to PRISCILLA 2 months before his death, i believe robin rossanne still has these avilable to read, i know that MARIA COLUMBUS has them for sure, get your facts straight before posting.

[Tony Trout]

again who cares what MARTY says he wasn't there for over 10 years, the transcripts from probate court clearly state that vernon gave control to PRISCILLA 2 months before his death, i believe robin rossanne still has these avilable to read, i know that MARIA COLUMBUS has them for sure, get your facts straight before posting.


I'm not going to argue...I'll just say again that neither Vernon nor Elvis had any intention whatsoever of little miss Prissy running Graceland....ever!! The fact of the matter is that she lied her way into becoming executor of the estate and seized the opportunity.

[sexxxy2you]

I had rather have had Priscilla and Lisa (A Presley)to have run it than The city of Memphis whom have offered to buy the estate several times.

[JDD]

I had rather have had Priscilla and Lisa (A Presley)to have run it than The city of Memphis whom have offered to buy the estate several times.

I'm with you on that. IMO Memphis, doesn't even do a great job of running Memphis .

[0349054]

again who cares what MARTY says he wasn't there for over 10 years, the transcripts from probate court clearly state that vernon gave control to PRISCILLA 2 months before his death, i believe robin rossanne still has these avilable to read, i know that MARIA COLUMBUS has them for sure, get your facts straight before posting.

Vernon signed it over to not just Priscilla if you care to read those transcripts. You may also care to read Elvis's will and note he left Priscilla absoloutely nothing.

If Vernon had so much trust in her, it boggles the mind why he got the bank and the accountant involved as well as Priscilla to hold it in trust until Lisa was old enough.

Both Elvis and Mr.Presley's actions speak for themselves.

[Tony Trout]

Vernon signed it over to not just Priscilla if you care to read those transcripts. You may also care to read Elvis's will and note he left Priscilla absoloutely nothing.

If Vernon had so much trust in her, it boggles the mind why he got the bank and the accountant involved as well as Priscilla to hold it in trust until Lisa was old enough.

Both Elvis and Mr.Presley's actions speak for themselves.


Agree 100%!

[JDD]

Vernon signed it over to not just Priscilla if you care to read those transcripts. You may also care to read Elvis's will and note he left Priscilla absoloutely nothing.

If Vernon had so much trust in her, it boggles the mind why he got the bank and the accountant involved as well as Priscilla to hold it in trust until Lisa was old enough.

Both Elvis and Mr.Presley's actions speak for themselves.




That goes both ways , if he had so little trust in her as several of you claim, why'd he appoint her in there at all? He didn't have to. He could have chosen anyone. Any stranger, any realitive, He could have opened the phone book closed his eyes pointed to a Trust attorney set the terms himself and appointed them, but instead He named her.

I don't wish my ex wife harm or carry any lasting bad feelings but If I die tommorow she won't be left a dime either, it'll all be left to my son. Thats really not that uncommon a situation, most people leave their estate to their kids if they aren't married.

[Menwithbrokenhearts]

I'm with you on that. IMO Memphis, doesn't even do a great job of running Memphis .
True! I just got back from there and that city is a mess! Politicians are all corrupt there and were in the news for taking payoffs while I was there. It's a shame about Memphis , so much history. Blues, rock and roll, jazz, cotton, Mississippi River, civil rights, the hub of the Mid- South. It could be made into an awesome tourist destination and beautiful historic city. Instead it's like a shiny red apple with a rotten core. The more you explore old Memphis the worse it gets. Get outside Memphis and it's nice. I hate to see it get that way. So many places I grew up with are gone or ruined.

[0349054]

That goes both ways , if he had so little trust in her as several of you claim, why'd he appoint her in there at all? He didn't have to. He could have chosen anyone. Any stranger, any realitive, He could have opened the phone book closed his eyes pointed to a Trust attorney set the terms himself and appointed them, but instead He named her.

I don't wish my ex wife harm or carry any lasting bad feelings but If I die tommorow she won't be left a dime either, it'll all be left to my son. Thats really not that uncommon a situation, most people leave their estate to their kids if they aren't married.


That's what Elvis did. He left Cilla nothing. Why did Vernon appoint Priscilla? Well only Vernon can answer that question. Maybe it was because she is Lisa's mother, maybe he didn't wish to see the estate in the hands of just the bank and acountant. One thing's for sure, he didn't trust her enough to give her sole control.

[meg]

That's what Elvis did. He left Cilla nothing. Why did Vernon appoint Priscilla? Well only Vernon can answer that question. Maybe it was because she is Lisa's mother, maybe he didn't wish to see the estate in the hands of just the bank and acountant. One thing's for sure, he didn't trust her enough to give her sole control.

I think for the reason she is Lisa?s mother:D

[JDD]

I think for the reason she is Lisa?s mother:D




If you hated and didn't trust someone at all, I can't imagine that would be enough of a reason. You'd really have to be pretty stupid to appoint someone you had no trust in to watch over the money left for your only grandchild. I'm just guessing here but to me , Vernon seemed complicated sure, but not stupid.

[txwoman4]

Aunt Delta Mae Biggs Is Dead....she Died Not Long After Vernon.


Actually Aunt Delta died MANY yrs after Vernon. She died in 1994!

[Maikcool]

This is what I found:
Video: Vernon Presley on Hee Haw January 1978

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbl5Kh2QBDo&NR


It`s very sad...

[memphis 77]

wow that clip on HEE HAW was very sad, VERNON sure was in ill health i still don't know how he lasted a year and some months after EP'S demise. I would just like to say that he had no other recourcse but to sighn over to PRISCILLA, after all it was stipulated that she would gain control if VERNON died etc... and LISA was not of age, as for ELVIS not leaving PRISCILLA anything, that is false, he not only willed all his personal belongings, including his jewelery, 2 cars and one new van, also his a 70% payout of all royalties from rca , the life insurance policy was to be paid to elvis last spouse[ie CILLA] the insurance company and estae planners went into graceland 2 weeks after elvis death and videotaped all belongings etc and named PRISCILLA /LISA PRESLEY as sole heirs, again this is public record from shelby county court house files.

[JDD]

This is what I found:
Video: Vernon Presley on Hee Haw January 1978

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbl5Kh2QBDo&NR


It`s very sad...



Thanks. I'd never seen that.

[0349054]

wow that clip on HEE HAW was very sad, VERNON sure was in ill health i still don't know how he lasted a year and some months after EP'S demise. I would just like to say that he had no other recourcse but to sighn over to PRISCILLA, after all it was stipulated that she would gain control if VERNON died etc... and LISA was not of age, as for ELVIS not leaving PRISCILLA anything, that is false, he not only willed all his personal belongings, including his jewelery, 2 cars and one new van, also his a 70% payout of all royalties from rca , the life insurance policy was to be paid to elvis last spouse[ie CILLA] the insurance company and estae planners went into graceland 2 weeks after elvis death and videotaped all belongings etc and named PRISCILLA /LISA PRESLEY as sole heirs, again this is public record from shelby county court house files.

Elvis's will did not stipulate Priscilla, nor did it EVEN name her. I will post a copy of his will here if I have to, but it is widely available on the internet.

Elvis left Priscilla nothing. Zilch.

I don't know where your getting your information from but it is completely incorrect.

Not even Cilla would claim that he left her that much!

Where are you finding this stuff!?!

[Dovey]

:D "Ditto" "03"

Sure blows the mind!!!

Have a great day.... good to have you back ! Dovey ;)

[Donut]

MARTY LACKER: After Elvis died Priscilla called one day and asked if she could come over to say goodbye. I thought that was very nice of her and said OK. When she arrived she asked if I would be seeing Vernon when I got back to Memphis. I said yes. She said she was worried about what would happen to the state in case of Vernon?s death, and would I help talk Vernon into naming her in his will as an executor of Elvis state ? I knew then why she?d been so nice to stop by.

ARLENE COGAN ( was part of Elvis gang for years ): A while after Elvis died, Vernon told me on the phone that he didn?t know what he was gonna do about Graceland. Being that Elvis was gone and MIss Minnie (Elvis grandmother) was so old. He said that he didn?t really want to do it, but he felt he had no choice but to name Priscilla as an executor of the state, because if for nothing else, she would oversee Lisa?s best interests.

:hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

[0349054]

MARTY LACKER: After Elvis died Priscilla called one day and asked if she could come over to say goodbye. I thought that was very nice of her and said OK. When she arrived she asked if I would be seeing Vernon when I got back to Memphis. I said yes. She said she was worried about what would happen to the state in case of Vernon?s death, and would I help talk Vernon into naming her in his will as an executor of Elvis state ? I knew then why she?d been so nice to stop by.

ARLENE COGAN ( was part of Elvis gang for years ): A while after Elvis died, Vernon told me on the phone that he didn?t know what he was gonna do about Graceland. Being that Elvis was gone and MIss Minnie (Elvis grandmother) was so old. He said that he didn?t really want to do it, but he felt he had no choice but to name Priscilla as an executor of the state, because if for nothing else, she would oversee Lisa?s best interests.

:hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

Then she started to attempt to sue Marty and the others over loans Elvis gave them, loans Elvis never asked for back and according to them never expected back.

It really is great that Lisa and Cilla have such interest in the Presley side of Elvis's family and the Smith side of course.

Seeing as they only speak to Patsy Presley, it kinda talks for itself.

I'm sure Elvis would be real pleased to see his money go into Scientology.....knowing what he said about it during his life.

[memphis 77]

the will that you are reffering to was non void 60 days before before vernons death, elvis left most of his jewelery to priscilla, opels , ganish gold , hri necklace, this was deeded to her and precented in court on the 20 of sept 77 when it went to probate along with 2 cadillacs [which she had sold] along with a 1978 custom van that elovis did not even get to see , but purchased, this can all be found in the shelby court transcripts, again do not post when you don't know JACK! Your hate for cilla is obvious, and your letting it cloud your judgement, as for the post about marty lacker who can honestly believe this clown, i mean this guy was phased out of e.p's life in 68, and had no conmtact with him since despite his stories, alsohe was the first to dish the dirt on E.P. with his book[great loyalty he had]. My final response is this PRISCILLA had every right to everything that elvis earned because he cheated herand manipulated her for years, this poor woman didn't even know what amount of money her husband earned up until their divorce, ELVIS looked after himself very well , but tried to cgeat PRISCILLA the mother of his daughter, out of millions at the time of his death he was worth 2.7 million and his accountants hadn't bin paid for 8 months as the firm they were with had filed a grievence with the estatre, vernon kept avoidingb paying these bills along the city taxes that were at 86000 , in the past year, plus the intrest, and yet this is the man who was looking out for LISA and her inheratence, even the mansin and grounda needed up keep that ran up to 60 000 per year, Well priscilla inherited nothing but DEBT, the first thing she did was pay all debts and leans against e.p.e, the opening of GRACELAND IS SOMETHING SHE HAD TO DO.and GOD bless her for it. I mean it wouldn't be standing today if it were left in vernons hands believe you me. Vernon was nothing but an unabitious ,lazy, man who didn't wantb to work to support his wife and child. I know that me being a father there is nothing i wouldn't do to provide for my wife and children, but ol VERNON thought otherwise. If you look real close ELVIS had no real love for his daughter or priscilla , he was just to **************** self centered, something his mama had raised him to be, yes i love elvis and his music , but i also acknoledge that he had a pretty s...ty personality trate, something that we as fans helped prolong, if we all back in the day would have acknoledged that he wasn't up to par and ripping us off at his performances for years, may be he would have woken up and faced reality!:mad:

[meg]

the will that you are reffering to was non void 60 days before before vernons death, elvis left most of his jewelery to priscilla, opels , ganish gold , hri necklace, this was deeded to her and precented in court on the 20 of sept 77 when it went to probate along with 2 cadillacs [which she had sold] along with a 1978 custom van that elovis did not even get to see , but purchased, this can all be found in the shelby court transcripts, again do not post when you don't know JACK! Your hate for cilla is obvious, and your letting it cloud your judgement, as for the post about marty lacker who can honestly believe this clown, i mean this guy was phased out of e.p's life in 68, and had no conmtact with him since despite his stories, alsohe was the first to dish the dirt on E.P. with his book[great loyalty he had]. My final response is this PRISCILLA had every right to everything that elvis earned because he cheated herand manipulated her for years, this poor woman didn't even know what amount of money her husband earned up until their divorce, ELVIS looked after himself very well , but tried to cgeat PRISCILLA the mother of his daughter, out of millions at the time of his death he was worth 2.7 million and his accountants hadn't bin paid for 8 months as the firm they were with had filed a grievence with the estatre, vernon kept avoidingb paying these bills along the city taxes that were at 86000 , in the past year, plus the intrest, and yet this is the man who was looking out for LISA and her inheratence, even the mansin and grounda needed up keep that ran up to 60 000 per year, Well priscilla inherited nothing but DEBT, the first thing she did was pay all debts and leans against e.p.e, the opening of GRACELAND IS SOMETHING SHE HAD TO DO.and GOD bless her for it. I mean it wouldn't be standing today if it were left in vernons hands believe you me. Vernon was nothing but an unabitious ,lazy, man who didn't wantb to work to support his wife and child. I know that me being a father there is nothing i wouldn't do to provide for my wife and children, but ol VERNON thought otherwise. If you look real close ELVIS had no real love for his daughter or priscilla , he was just to **************** self centered, something his mama had raised him to be, yes i love elvis and his music , but i also acknoledge that he had a pretty s...ty personality trate, something that we as fans helped prolong, if we all back in the day would have acknoledged that he wasn't up to par and ripping us off at his performances for years, may be he would have woken up and faced reality!:mad:


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[Donut]

Then she started to attempt to sue Marty and the others over loans Elvis gave them, loans Elvis never asked for back and according to them never expected back.

It really is great that Lisa and Cilla have such interest in the Presley side of Elvis's family and the Smith side of course.

Seeing as they only speak to Patsy Presley, it kinda talks for itself.

I'm sure Elvis would be real pleased to see his money go into Scientology.....knowing what he said about it during his life.

That?s what I was trying to say 0349054 with :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: but I didn?t want to be too explicit because I know someone would come and tell me I hate Priscilla. *yawns*

[0349054]

the will that you are reffering to was non void 60 days before before vernons death, elvis left most of his jewelery to priscilla, opels , ganish gold , hri necklace, this was deeded to her and precented in court on the 20 of sept 77 when it went to probate along with 2 cadillacs [which she had sold] along with a 1978 custom van that elovis did not even get to see , but purchased, this can all be found in the shelby court transcripts, again do not post when you don't know JACK! Your hate for cilla is obvious, and your letting it cloud your judgement, as for the post about marty lacker who can honestly believe this clown, i mean this guy was phased out of e.p's life in 68, and had no conmtact with him since despite his stories, alsohe was the first to dish the dirt on E.P. with his book[great loyalty he had]. My final response is this PRISCILLA had every right to everything that elvis earned because he cheated herand manipulated her for years, this poor woman didn't even know what amount of money her husband earned up until their divorce, ELVIS looked after himself very well , but tried to cgeat PRISCILLA the mother of his daughter, out of millions at the time of his death he was worth 2.7 million and his accountants hadn't bin paid for 8 months as the firm they were with had filed a grievence with the estatre, vernon kept avoidingb paying these bills along the city taxes that were at 86000 , in the past year, plus the intrest, and yet this is the man who was looking out for LISA and her inheratence, even the mansin and grounda needed up keep that ran up to 60 000 per year, Well priscilla inherited nothing but DEBT, the first thing she did was pay all debts and leans against e.p.e, the opening of GRACELAND IS SOMETHING SHE HAD TO DO.and GOD bless her for it. I mean it wouldn't be standing today if it were left in vernons hands believe you me. Vernon was nothing but an unabitious ,lazy, man who didn't wantb to work to support his wife and child. I know that me being a father there is nothing i wouldn't do to provide for my wife and children, but ol VERNON thought otherwise. If you look real close ELVIS had no real love for his daughter or priscilla , he was just to **************** self centered, something his mama had raised him to be, yes i love elvis and his music , but i also acknoledge that he had a pretty s...ty personality trate, something that we as fans helped prolong, if we all back in the day would have acknoledged that he wasn't up to par and ripping us off at his performances for years, may be he would have woken up and faced reality!:mad:


I wont bring myself to your level of name calling and cussing, however you are completely misguided.

The will was not void, Elvis left Priscilla nothing. Why don't you post these bogus transcripts, im sure the Elvis world would be delighted to read this sort of fiction.

I do not hate Priscilla.

Marty Lacker, for your information was at the Aloha concert in 1973 at Elvis's invitation.....phased out in 68, I don't think so.

Priscilla has no right to anything Elvis earned. She got money from the divorce and that was that. They were divorced, she was/is nothing but an ex-wife.

Lisa and Vernon are blood relations and thus deserved Elvis's earnings. Elvis had less than a million dollars at the time of his death in his bank a/c.

Maybe you should take your Elvis bashing somewhere that people are ignorant enough to believe your rants. People here are too well informed and too well connected to listen to this fictional drivel.

Back up your bogus statements with these documents your protest to exist, and then if they do exist im sure people worldwide will be happy to discuss them.

Either produce them or start dealing in fact, not fiction. Your opinions, such as Elvis's ex-wife deserving everything are your opinions and you are entitled to them. It's just not a court anywhere would agree to such idiocy.

[memphis 77]

ok lets get this straight you can easily obtain the transcripts from the shelby county court hose yourself as i did and many other fans did, like MARIA COLUMBUS, R, ROSEANNE, the transcripts say it all and are comming from legal standpoint/office.For your info, MARTY LEFT ELVIS EMPLOYMANT IN SEPT 68, AND WAS NEVER agian in his employment since, and to my knoledge he never was around E.P. since, why not produce the photo of him and E.P. after 1968, the ALOHA one would be great, all the pics i have of this show and rehersal MARTY is no where to be found, i mean wouldn't he be in one with CHARLIE , RED, SONNY, VERNON, JOE , LAMAR ,etc... SO listen here newbie to the elvis world do some research and get your head out of MARTYS ***, you've bin stuck up their too **************** long.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[memphis 77]

ok lets get this straight you can easily obtain the transcripts from the shelby county court hose yourself as i did and many other fans did, like MARIA COLUMBUS, R, ROSEANNE, the transcripts say it all and are comming from legal standpoint/office.For your info, MARTY LEFT ELVIS EMPLOYMANT IN SEPT 68, AND WAS NEVER agian in his employment since, and to my knoledge he never was around E.P. since, why not produce the photo of him and E.P. after 1968, the ALOHA one would be great, all the pics i have of this show and rehersal MARTY is no where to be found, i mean wouldn't he be in one with CHARLIE , RED, SONNY, VERNON, JOE , LAMAR ,etc... SO listen here newbie to the elvis world do some research and get your head out of MARTYS ***, you've bin stuck up their too **************** long.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[meg]

ok lets get this straight you can easily obtain the transcripts from the shelby county court hose yourself as i did and many other fans did, like MARIA COLUMBUS, R, ROSEANNE, the transcripts say it all and are comming from legal standpoint/office.For your info, MARTY LEFT ELVIS EMPLOYMANT IN SEPT 68, AND WAS NEVER agian in his employment since, and to my knoledge he never was around E.P. since, why not produce the photo of him and E.P. after 1968, the ALOHA one would be great, all the pics i have of this show and rehersal MARTY is no where to be found, i mean wouldn't he be in one with CHARLIE , RED, SONNY, VERNON, JOE , LAMAR ,etc... SO listen here newbie to the elvis world do some research and get your head out of MARTYS ***, you've bin stuck up their too **************** long.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I don?t like Marty but he was around till 1976.He was at the ALOHA too:D

[0349054]

ok lets get this straight you can easily obtain the transcripts from the shelby county court hose yourself as i did and many other fans did, like MARIA COLUMBUS, R, ROSEANNE, the transcripts say it all and are comming from legal standpoint/office.For your info, MARTY LEFT ELVIS EMPLOYMANT IN SEPT 68, AND WAS NEVER agian in his employment since, and to my knoledge he never was around E.P. since, why not produce the photo of him and E.P. after 1968, the ALOHA one would be great, all the pics i have of this show and rehersal MARTY is no where to be found, i mean wouldn't he be in one with CHARLIE , RED, SONNY, VERNON, JOE , LAMAR ,etc... SO listen here newbie to the elvis world do some research and get your head out of MARTYS ***, you've bin stuck up their too **************** long.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Two words to describe you.

Ignorant

Fool


Marty was there after 68', maybe you should do some research, that information is about as flawed as your other claims. Start producing some hard evidence back up your rants.

Marty's pictured here in the far right.....but if you insist, he was NEVER around Elvis after 68'...........

http://elvisinfonet.com/image-files/memphis_mafia.jpg


Now, get some class, stop cussing and name calling and start to produce something to back up your lies. You've already been shown up once.

[diamond]

the will that you are reffering to was non void 60 days before before vernons death, elvis left most of his jewelery to priscilla, opels , ganish gold , hri necklace, this was deeded to her and precented in court on the 20 of sept 77 when it went to probate along with 2 cadillacs [which she had sold] along with a 1978 custom van that elovis did not even get to see , but purchased, this can all be found in the shelby court transcripts, again do not post when you don't know JACK! Your hate for cilla is obvious, and your letting it cloud your judgement, as for the post about marty lacker who can honestly believe this clown, i mean this guy was phased out of e.p's life in 68, and had no conmtact with him since despite his stories, alsohe was the first to dish the dirt on E.P. with his book[great loyalty he had]. My final response is this PRISCILLA had every right to everything that elvis earned because he cheated herand manipulated her for years, this poor woman didn't even know what amount of money her husband earned up until their divorce, ELVIS looked after himself very well , but tried to cgeat PRISCILLA the mother of his daughter, out of millions at the time of his death he was worth 2.7 million and his accountants hadn't bin paid for 8 months as the firm they were with had filed a grievence with the estatre, vernon kept avoidingb paying these bills along the city taxes that were at 86000 , in the past year, plus the intrest, and yet this is the man who was looking out for LISA and her inheratence, even the mansin and grounda needed up keep that ran up to 60 000 per year, Well priscilla inherited nothing but DEBT, the first thing she did was pay all debts and leans against e.p.e, the opening of GRACELAND IS SOMETHING SHE HAD TO DO.and GOD bless her for it. I mean it wouldn't be standing today if it were left in vernons hands believe you me. Vernon was nothing but an unabitious ,lazy, man who didn't wantb to work to support his wife and child. I know that me being a father there is nothing i wouldn't do to provide for my wife and children, but ol VERNON thought otherwise. If you look real close ELVIS had no real love for his daughter or priscilla , he was just to **************** self centered, something his mama had raised him to be, yes i love elvis and his music , but i also acknoledge that he had a pretty s...ty personality trate, something that we as fans helped prolong, if we all back in the day would have acknoledged that he wasn't up to par and ripping us off at his performances for years, may be he would have woken up and faced reality!:mad:



This has got to be the most horrendous ,spiteful,insult to Elvis's memory I have ever read on an Elvis site... in 1977 Priscilla was nothing but the mother of his beloved daughter....nothing more nothing less, and how she dare call herself a Presley only the Lord above knows that one. IMO she deserved nothing but the divorce settlement she got :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

[memphis 77]

i did realize again that marty did come for christmas dinner in 71, always the gentle man that he was he got so intoxicated that vernon and priscilla asked jerry to escort him out of the house. :) :) :) :) :) the ignorant fools are those that let their hate blind them from the facts, you can easily obtain the transcripts for $8 from THE SHELBY COUNTY COURTHOUSE RECORDS DEPT and ask for file #prp091877-trs, some of the transcripts have sentences blacked out.:supriced: :supriced: :supriced:

[diamond]

Memphis77.....I am still waiting for you to post your information...regarding the court documents;) ;)

[0349054]

i did realize again that marty did come for christmas dinner in 71, always the gentle man that he was he got so intoxicated that vernon and priscilla asked jerry to escort him out of the house. :) :) :) :) :) the ignorant fools are those that let their hate blind them from the facts, you can easily obtain the transcripts for $8 from THE SHELBY COUNTY COURTHOUSE RECORDS DEPT and ask for file #prp091877-trs, some of the transcripts have sentences blacked out.:supriced: :supriced: :supriced:

Please don't private message me, you sent me the below message:

re marty lacker
uh wheres the photo of E.P. and marty from the aloha show? The photo you posted was from christmas 71, this has done the rounds for years , newbie[to the elvis world] get your head out off martys ***, but then again your no doubt a 300 pound slob like him.:D :D :D


Ask anyone who was there with Elvis and they will confirm it.

Again can you start to back up your statements such as the documents, as I have proved you wrong once before!

[diamond]

Please don't private message me, you sent me the below message:

re marty lacker
uh wheres the photo of E.P. and marty from the aloha show? The photo you posted was from christmas 71, this has done the rounds for years , newbie[to the elvis world] get your head out off martys ***, but then again your no doubt a 300 pound slob like him.:D :D :D



I don't have a picture of Marty at the Aloha show, and to be honest it's not that important to me as I know he was there. Ask anyone who was there with Elvis and they will confirm it.

No I dont weigh 300 pounds, and again can you start to back up your statements such as the documents, as I have proved you wrong once before!

Somthing tells me Memphis77 isnt a true Elvis fan....I might be wrong....but somehow dont think I am:'(

[JDD]

This could have been a pretty good thread too.

[Diane]

It was and IS a very good thread JDD. Don't give up on it! We still haven't learned very much about Vernon. If you come across more information please share it with us. Diane

[0349054]

This might finally put an end to your ramblings....

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/1/1/7/0/alohaarrive163ap.jpg


Marty Lacker with Elvis Presley 1973.............Aloha From Hawaii


I think this pretty much sums up your 'knowledge'.

[franny]

Thanks, for posting that pic! It's a great one! (y)

franny

[diamond]

Awesome picture thanks for posting it:notworthy

[memphis 77]

good lord my memory is very bad, i do appologize to everyone for ruining this thread. mum is the word

[diamond]

good lord my memory is very bad, i do appologize to everyone for ruining this thread. mum is the word

And the court documents......still waiting;)

[memphis 77]

you can obtain the documents and transcripts from shelby county court houserecords dept, the file number i have previous posted they were $8 when i got them, you can also try MARIA COLUMBUS, and when you get them post for all to see that you have had your head up martys fat ***, newbie you will be proven wrong do the research. I have said enough on this board, i also recived an e mail from the poster, a while back who warned me about those who hate priscilla, but now even the poster has turned against me [another 2 face] but enough said pay the $8 and be done with it, i'm sure your another 300 pound slob who is jealous of priscilla, and other slim beautiful woman.:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[Diane]

SHAME ON YOU Memphis 77 !!!!! :angry: (n)

[diamond]

you can obtain the documents and transcripts from shelby county court houserecords dept, the file number i have previous posted they were $8 when i got them, you can also try MARIA COLUMBUS, and when you get them post for all to see that you have had your head up martys fat ***, newbie you will be proven wrong do the research. I have said enough on this board, i also recived an e mail from the poster, a while back who warned me about those who hate priscilla, but now even the poster has turned against me [another 2 face] but enough said pay the $8 and be done with it, i'm sure your another 300 pound slob who is jealous of priscilla, and other slim beautiful woman.:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Oh dear,thats not very nice is it?.I do hope that means we wont be seeing anymore of your pointless posts again on this board. Yes I am ''NEWBIE'' to this site, but not to the Elvis world. And as for me being a 300 pound slob who is jealous.......no love.... I am in fact an educator of children.......have a husband and two beautiful adult children.........and spend my spare time learning about the man who imo is the greatest singer there ever was. I asked you to post the court documents to 'back up' your evidence........nothing more nothing less;)

[0349054]

Diamond that poster is dilusional, has terrible grammar and punctuation not to mention spelling, education or common sense.

They haven't made one accuarte statement since appearing on the board, and have been shown up on various other statements.

[diamond]

Well hopefully whoever they were..... have gone now :clap:

I am curious to know, who attended Vernons funeral, by that I mean which members of the MM

[Diane]

Good girl Diamond!:D Wonderful reply to Mr. Lack of Manners.....:lol:

I would also be very interested in knowing who attended Vernon's funeral.

[Tony Trout]

I am curious to know, who attended Vernons funeral, by that I mean which members of the MM


As far as I can remember, I don't believe that there were any members of the Memphis Mafia present at Vernon's funeral.

[JDD]

This part I've heard some about. The only ones I know of was that "Doodger" was there but couldn't stand to be in the room where he laid. Aunt Delta pretty much ran the show made the arrangements etc. Nancy Rooks the maid, George Coleman the electrician at Graceland Those that worked pretty much year round and longtime staff members were there.

By the end She Nancy Rooks Claimed that Vernon saw very few people, and considered a lot of the staff like family. Supposedly Lisa and Priscilla, Patsy Presley and Billy Smith and his family, Vestor etc the family that Vernon acknowledged were there but I was told it was small and he laid in state at Graceland like Elvis did. Mafia Members were not mentioned. Now thats what I was told, but I'm not an expert , I'm just going off what I was told.

Additionally I have since found out that After Elvis and Gladys were moved to Graceland, that Vernon went back to Tupelo for awhile and they tried hard to find where exactly that Jesse (The twin ) was buried as he was in a unmarked grave, but they couldn't find it. This sort of kicked a lot of the life that was left out of Vernon who they say it suddenly dawned on him that He should have taken care of this years before. They say the guilt over Jesse laying seperate from the others ate him up, and they weren't sure he got over it. After that between depression over Elvis, and Gladys, and failed relationships costing him lots of money and not finding Jesse he didnt' have a lot of spark left in him they claimed he started to lose the desire to eat and started to fade.

I was hoping that Someone else here knew more about him before he started to go but it seems to be a mystery. I wish it had occured to me to ask some questions back when I had the chance a few years ago.

[diamond]

Thank you for the information JDD I knew none of this(y)

[Menwithbrokenhearts]

Yeah, thanks JDD for all the info. Alot of that I have never heard before and is interesting to know. And..... thanks for getting the thread back on the , uh, uh...thread. It is a good thread. I have, barring a few posts, thoroughly enjoyed it.

Man, that is sad about Vernon. I think, after one son's death, I would have obsessed over the other too. Heartwrenching.....:'(

[JDD]

You're welcome. I hope to someday know quite a bit more on this topic . I think Vernon is one of the least known personalities in the Elvis universe. Which I find interesting because though they were known to clash from time to time, I think Vernon was a big part of what made Elvis tick. Vernon seemed to be a incredibly complicated man.

[Tony Trout]

Vernon seemed to be a incredibly complicated man.


I got that same feelin' 'bout Vernon from the stories I've read about him...he also, according to people who knew him, wasn't very trusting of people.....

[Donut]

Somebody uploaded to youtube the news of Vernon?s death and funeral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN6Ulb_FNB0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht9nmXmaQ_M

[JDD]

Thanks Donut, I'll check that out

[Diane]

Thanks Donut for the clip on Vernon's funeral. So sad......! I didn't catch that any of the MM were there, guess they weren't there???? I expected at least Charlie.

[diamond]

I didnt know Vernons middle name was Elvis!!!! it wasnt as unique as I thought.
Thanks for the clips, it is still very sad to watch after all this time

[JDD]

Thanks Donut for the clip on Vernon's funeral. So sad......! I didn't catch that any of the MM were there, guess they weren't there???? I expected at least Charlie.

Vernon didn't really like most of those guys and it was probably mutual though they'd never dare say it in his life. I know of at least two that were there, one isn't well liked on this website but is by me, and one was Billy. It looked like a sizable turnout. I kinda wish I could have some of that on Video off the PC as odd as that sounds. Just for historical purposes.


By the way Diane, I am glad you posed the question that caused me to start this thread , and start researching some, because I've gotten a lot of information out of the search now. It was something I was always curious about.

[Diane]

I'm glad you were able to get more information on Vernon JDD through this thread. Don't forget to post anything that we may not have known about.

I gotta know:D ........who was that MM member who was at Vernon's funeral that you like but nobody else does???????