"no Angel"

[GirlHappy19]

"No angel"

Wooed by Elvis from the age of 14, Priscilla Presley was subject to the King's every whim when she became his wife. How can she say she still loves him?

Peter Conrad ? The Observer, England Sunday May 22, 2005



Did Elvis ever really leave the building? It is almost 30 years since he died - bloated, drug-befuddled, gun-mad - in the tacky opulence of Graceland, but not since Christ quit the tomb on the third day has any death seemed so provisional. His daughter Lisa Marie, nine at the time, spent the days before the funeral in the room with his body, willing him to reconsider.

Resurrection, as it happened, was more or less immediate. Supermarket tabloids soon reported sightings of an undead Elvis, and imitators in spangled capes lip-synched to his records in Las Vegas.

His body, like Christ's, was available for consumption by true believers: a rumour alleged that Presleyburgers had been made from his minced corpse and distributed like communion wafers to 'New York and West Coast rock aristocracy'. Less favoured acolytes made do with the fetishistic heirlooms they traded.


Locks of his hair, dyed the blue-black of a raven's wing, still sell for thousands of dollars. His ghost, made of sequinned ectoplasm, materialises in Jim Jarmusch's Mystery Train. In 1979 an underground film exhumed the cadaver (this time unminced) for a farewell concert tour, at the end of which its putrid flesh was sliced off and sold piecemeal.

The Elvis myth exists to deny death, or to console us for its undeniability. Nevertheless, it's likely that whatever is left of him reposes in the meditation garden at Graceland, beneath a bronze plaque doubly emblazoned with a cross and his personal logo - a lightning bolt to signal the electric energy that caused his pelvis to jerk and quake, with the initials TCB as a reminder to Take Care of Business, the motto of his Memphis entourage.

Elvis is gone, but his widow Priscilla remains with us, and she was in London last week to promote a book and a memorial video documentary about him; he may have mouldered, but she still looks exactly like the 14-year-old he began to woo while he was a GI in Germany in 1959.

Myths repudiate death, and cosmetic surgery has its own way of slyly refuting time. 'She looked like a little doll,' cooed Elvis's cousin Patsy when the schoolgirl Priscilla, surrendered by her parents, came to live at Graceland as both his ward and bedmate.

Priscilla, now 60, is still doll-like - dainty, impenetrably painted, with waxen cheeks and a pursed mouth that is under too much duress, after the tightening she has undergone, to blab out secrets. A face not lived in has no way of registering her distress. Her eyes, pinioned open, continue to look at the world with dazed wonder, and her voice is that of a breathy, tentative teenager.

She is, whether she admits it or not, a damaged creature. 'I was someone he created,' she told me when we met. 'I was just a kid, and I was consumed by him. I could never speak my mind; all I desired was not to disappoint him.'

Elvis dictated the colour of her hair, which was dyed as inkily as his own and then teased into gravity-defying cones; he insisted on the mascara that turned her eyes into volcanic craters, and the false lashes that flapped above them like nocturnal birds; he picked out the tarty costumes she wore when she came home from Catholic school, shed her uniform, and began to play what she calls 'his femme fatale'.

He dosed her with uppers to adjust her moods, and deprived her of her favourite food, tuna salad, because he disliked its smell. 'Yes, he was quite critical. What you're seeing,' said Priscilla, pointing to her transfixed face, 'is the product of constant criticism.'

Elvis once caught her frowning as she glanced up from her homework, and gave her a slap on the forehead to warn her that it was wrinkling. 'If I looked up, it had to be with my eyes only, so the skin would stay smooth. See, I'm so well trained that I can't do it now even if I want to!' She illustrated: her brow has indeed been immobilised, ironed flat.

Elvis 'was committed to my purity', as Priscilla puts it. He courted her like one of the pining minstrels in medieval romance, and left her unsullied after she moved in with him. Until their marriage in 1967, they contented themselves with heavy petting. Consummation was adjourned until the wedding night in Las Vegas; the result was immediate impregnation.

The criticism continued. 'Elvis was always talking about women who let themselves go when they were expecting, who used it as an excuse to gain weight. So I actually lost eight pounds when I was carrying! I ate only eggs and apples, I never drank milk. No, I wasn't allowed to see a doctor. Elvis didn't like to have new people around. We were in a cocoon at Graceland.'

The birth of their daughter resulted in a wounding sexual rejection. Elvis felt, according to Priscilla's testimony in the book, that 'he just couldn't have sex with a woman who'd had a child'.

When I asked her about this, she revised the record, although the book reports on the end of 'intimacy'.

'No, no, of course we were having sex! I mean, he was Elvis after all, and I must say he was very creative, very playful.'


Despite this fervour, I was reminded of Lisa Marie's assertion - in a television interview during her brief marriage to Michael Jackson - that she and Jacko were rabbiting away in the nuptial suite at Neverland.

So why did Elvis embargo postpartum intercourse?

'Oh,' said Priscilla a little prissily, 'I guess he had a madonna complex.'

The marriage unravelled, and they were divorced in 1973. 'He was still very lovey with me, but only upstairs, when the guys weren't around to impress. He was a Southern boy, a man's man, and girls were kept out of sight. The other wives and I were only allowed to leave Memphis and go to Vegas at certain times - first nights or last nights.

That left Elvis and his buddies free to be bad boys with the showgirls in between! Not that I was any angel. Eventually I took on someone.' The euphemism is characteristic. Priscilla's maiden name is Beaulieu (pronounced Bewlew) and she is as much of a genteel Southern belle as Tennessee Williams's Blanche du Bois.

When my more mobile brow furrowed in puzzlement, she lisped a shy clarification: 'I took a lover. It was my way out.'

What, I wondered, were the demons that drove Elvis? She thought him vulnerable, and wanted to nurture him; a child herself, she had to replace the mother he lost a year before they met.

'He was criticised when he was growing up for the way he looked, the way he wore his hair - just like he criticised me - and that must have been quite impactful.

People laughed at him because he was very fussy, he'd always carry his own utensils when he went out to eat because he didn't want germs.' I'd read that he was unhappy with his body, even though his fans worshipped it as a phallic totem. Was it true that he disliked his spindly legs? 'I'm not quite agreeing about the legs,' said Priscilla.

'All I would say is that he always wore a T-shirt when we were at the beach or in the ocean. He thought, being Elvis, that he should have a hairier chest. Of course if it were now he'd be waxing off the few hairs he did have!'

Graceland was the court of an absolute monarch, whose nocturnal habits were fuelled by benzedrine. Priscilla has her own cautious way of describing his manic whims:

'Well, Elvis was very spontaneous. It would be, "Now we're all gonna go horse-back riding, or out on our motor bikes. Or we're gonna take the plane to Vegas."

And you couldn't say you didn't want to.'

As at court, the corridors were thick with whispers, and the paranoid king suspected his fawning entourage of treachery.

'He'd call on the intercom every morning to see who was in the kitchen before he went down to have his breakfast. He didn't like it if there was someone in the room who was on the outs.

Often it was a family member wanting money.' After their separation, Priscilla watched as Elvis simultaneously inflated and imploded. His body ballooned, choked with bacon cheeseburgers and pint tubs of ice cream, and he hid it behind jewelled capes or inside cavernous jumpsuits; his act became louder, more hollowly self-parodic.

'He was terribly insecure by the end. People were always saying to him, "You didn't fill up the room today, it wasn't a sell-out." Sometimes they had to curtain off whole areas of seating to make it look less empty. No one could tell him he had a problem, or get him to deal with his addictions. Just think - if he were alive now, he'd be in his early seventies, and remember how good Cary Grant looked when he was that age!'

Despite Priscilla's fond reverie, I find it hard to imagine Elvis as a dapper pensioner, elegant despite arthritis and a toupee. Premature death ensured his immortality, and led almost immediately to a flurry of reincarnations - the claims in the tabloids that his statue had been found on Mars, the plaster statuettes sold like votive icons, the annual competitions in Vegas for Elvis clones.

After his death, Priscilla conferred another kind of immortality on him: she incorporated him. She set up Elvis Presley Enterprises Inc. which runs Graceland as a museum and controls commercial rights to his image; her book, the DVD and a new set of CDs are the latest attempts to perpetuate the franchise.

'No, I never did anything out of revenge,' she said when I asked about her motives for taking that lover. But her triumph over the man who divorced her has been sweet and lucrative. 'I loved him, I still love him,' she told me, and her behaviour is wistfully reverential. But demolition is also part of the agenda: Priscilla knocked down the house Elvis occupied in Los Angeles, bronzed the bricks, then shipped them to Graceland for sale as souvenirs.


She speaks now about 'the bigness of Elvis Presley'. What you notice about Priscilla is her littleness - her frailty, and her bemusement at what has happened to her. It would be easy to call the adolescent who beguiled Elvis a nymphet, like Nabokov's Lolita. But she looks to me like one of those nymphs who in classical fables were snatched by a passing god and whipped off to heaven where they were flattered, pleasured and shown the view from on top of the world before, when the fickle deity tired, being dumped back on earth again.

If Priscilla could look up (which she knows it's unwise to do) she would probably be scrutinising the sky and asking it the same questions she heard Elvis repeating during his sessions with the gurus he consulted: 'Why me? Why was I chosen?'

And if she had a single request, it would probably be the one she made when Lisa Marie phoned her in Los Angeles to tell her that Elvis had died: 'Send the plane for me.'



P.S.I am not allow to post on Elvis news,so I'll post it here because I keep ready everything I find on or about Elvis and I just don't get it.The only thing that I know is that I LOVE ELVIS WITH ALL MY HEART.He did changed us all.That's all I know.(y) :king:

MLY

[joanne]

so now I know why Priscillas face is so smooth. Its because Elvis used to slap her and there I was thinking it had something to do with plastic surgery, silly me.
She says she wasn`t allowed to see a doctor when she was pregnant but in Elvis and me she talked about going to the doctors and him advising her not to lose weight.
She is now saying she did continue to have sex with him after the birth of Lisa-Marie again contradicting her previous comments.
What a liar.

[Dovey]

Sounds to me like "cilla" is hitting the hard stuff again. :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: She sure is a looney tune!!!!

Elvis was no angel... he was a human and he is not here to defend himself so we have to hear yet another one of her sick stories.

Have you read "Child Bride" if not read it ..and you will know why she tells all the lies that she does. :P Like Mother like Daughter!

She was a wild girl who had many guys before Elvis and many after..but I guess that is another one of her secrets. She was no virgin when Elvis married her or before he had her!!!!!

How sweet of cilla to lay in bed with Lance Robbins making wild love to him (with Elvis was on the phone) to lay the receiver on the pillow between them and let him (Elvis) listen. woohoo... she sure is a nice lady and god sent huh??? Wake Up:'( :'( :'( :'( !!!!!!!!

Anybody that believes the garbage she tells sure is not a Elvis Fan in my book and I have to wonder why you would call yourself one.

Dovey;)

[Diane]

To me this article tops them all! I don't think I've ever read such trash in my life. The woman is about as stable as a quaking aspen and can't remember one time from the next what she's said previously. There is no way anyone can take anything she says as truth.

[Donut]

I wasn?t going to post but i saw Dovey and couldn?t resist to do it LOL.
I just hope people is aware this story happened more or less 40 years ago when men had another mentality in the whole world and things have changed a lot since then for women. If elvis was 30 years now he sure would think different because he would have been raised on another age.
The problem is she keeps telling the same story as if it happened today and it sure sounds as if Elvis was the evil but he was not so different from a lot of people from his age. She speaks as if her life with him was a total nightmare and how she has suffered in life , I mean ... if she wants me to feel pitty for her she can wait untill the end of time. After all the only problem she had was their marriage didn?t work like millions in the world and after all she should show gratitude towards him because she is able to have that luxury life only thanks to Elvis. As far as i know he never spoke about her faults and lovers in public, instead he blamed himself and hid the fact that she cheated on him too.... not being the first to cheat don?t make you more innocent.
I think she has a lot to learn from him but after watching how her brain works she would need at least two more lifes to achieve it.

*yawns*

[Dovey]

Yes, Donut it is boring rubbish, I agree :D

Did you ever see that commercial on TV.... This is your brain on Drugs????? :lmfao: :lmfao: Fits her perfectly.

Have a great day... dovey ;)

Bye the way... this first article says "His Widow" Did elvis have a Widow??? Opps, just another lie huh??? Don't tell anybody and we won't know that they got divorced many
years ago ... Yipes... what a liar!!!!!

[joanne]

Sounds to me like "cilla" is hitting the hard stuff again. :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: She sure is a looney tune!!!!

Elvis was no angel... he was a human and he is not here to defend himself so we have to hear yet another one of her sick stories.

Have you read "Child Bride" if not read it ..and you will know why she tells all the lies that she does. :P Like Mother like Daughter!

She was a wild girl who had many guys before Elvis and many after..but I guess that is another one of her secrets. She was no virgin when Elvis married her or before he had her!!!!!

How sweet of cilla to lay in bed with Lance Robbins making wild love to him (with Elvis was on the phone) to lay the receiver on the pillow between them and let him (Elvis) listen. woohoo... she sure is a nice lady and god sent huh??? Wake Up:'( :'( :'( :'( !!!!!!!!

Anybody that believes the garbage she tells sure is not a Elvis Fan in my book and I have to wonder why you would call yourself one.

Dovey;)
I have read Child Bride and it was quite an eye-opener to say the least!
I don`t recall the incident that you have mentioned above though but it is quite a while since I read it.
Who is Lance Robbins tell me more.

[Dovey]

Hi Joanne, If you still have the book Child Bride.. you can read about Lance Robbins and our darning cilla on page 322... I don't think I would wish her on my worst enemy. :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Poor Elvis paid a big price for the mistake of bring her back here from Germany and making a deal with her parents... most people seem to think there was a large amound of money involved.:doh:

What a pity.... Elvis should of been thinking with this :doh: .. not the other one... :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: Dovey

[joanne]

Hi Joanne, If you still have the book Child Bride.. you can read about Lance Robbins and our darning cilla on page 322... I don't think I would wish her on my worst enemy. :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Poor Elvis paid a big price for the mistake of bring her back here from Germany and making a deal with her parents... most people seem to think there was a large amound of money involved.:doh:

What a pity.... Elvis should of been thinking with this :doh: .. not the other one... :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: DoveyHey Dove, I don`t have the book anymore as although I am a ferocious reader I tend to get rid of them when I`ve read them a few times and although I remember a great deal of it I just don`t recall this Lance Robbins, please tell me more.

[Dovey]

Joanne, it really does not tell much about him or the other guys that she was .... shall we say going with... I do not know who he was either .... just a guy... sorry I couldn't be more help ... but I will look it up again and see if it tells more about him but I honestly don't think that it does... she went with many men after she and Mike Stone broke up... dovey :D

[Dovey]

Ok here we to Joanne,

Terry O'Neill dropped cilla after two months to return to England.. one of the few men who had rejected her... and she was not pleased. Looking for a replacement, she settled for Robert Kardashian, the Las Angeles lawyer who would later be made infamous as OJ Simpson's best friend. He was convenient boyfriend for cilla at the time.

Lance Robbins was a friend of Kardashian's and he told him about Elvis calling her in the middle of the night and the phone deal.

As I said Joanne she had many men and wanted Elvis to be jealous... seemed to really enjoy it...

At the time this was going on... many believe Elvis was already a dying man (said Kathy Westmoreland who sang backup for Elvis and many other agreeded with her.)


That is about it for Lance Robbins... wasn't cilla every man's deam?

Dovey ;)
As you know Joanne, I dislike her and really do not even like to read about her but I had heard so much about the book I decided to read it to see if maybe I was wong about my feeling for her.... guess not!!!!

[joanne]

Thanks Dovey.
She`s cheated on every man she`s ever been with according to what I`ve heard.
We all know she cheated on Elvis with her dance instructor and also her karate instructor.
If there had been a baked bean instructor I`m sure she`d of shagged him too!
I heard she had a thing with Little John the singer and Elvis was told about this and thats the only ones we know of.
I think its fair to say she kept herself occupied while Elvis was touring and certainly wasn`t the hard done by wife that she likes to make out.
Terry O` Neill says he slept with her and that was at the time she was with Mike Stone.
She then cheated on her live-in lover Mike Edwards with the actor Richard Gere who she had a one-night stand with. Then she was having it off with the singer Julio Inglesias.
There you have three long relationships that she had where she lived with each man Elvis, Mike Stone and Mike Edwards and she cheated on all three and when she got what she wanted she moved on.
To think that Elvis would have probably blamed himself so much for her having an affair with another man when in truth she has done it to every man and I wonder what excuse she came up with for the others.

[carolynlm]

Every time I log in to this site nowadays, there are more and more 'I hate Priscilla' threads than ever.....
Priscilla cheated on Elvis....we all know that...it's fact. And before anyone once again tells me that I am on the wrong site, and I should go to the PP site....let me say this.....I am not a fan of Priscilla's or Lisa's for that matter...BUT if it wasn't for both of them, we wouldn't have Graceland to visit....and if Priscilla cheated...she had a bloody good teacher.

[GirlHappy19]

To me this article tops them all! I don't think I've ever read such trash in my life. The woman is about as stable as a quaking aspen and can't remember one time from the next what she's said previously. There is no way anyone can take anything she says as truth.


Everythibg I ever read or heard about this woman is contradition.We all know that she's very ill or on cocaine or something.But I have read some funny stuff responding to this add.I tell you boy:lol: :lol:

[Diane]

It's been pretty obvious to most of us that Priscilla knew how to cheat long before she met Elvis and I'm certain that it wasn't Priscilla who decided to open Graceland to the public but people around her that advised her to do so because the property was in financial trouble and get in touch with those who could help her do that. The woman is just not that bright on her own - really watch and listen to her! Priscilla and Lisa are literally figureheads and aren't the ones doing the real work.

[carolynlm]

Where is is 'pretty obvious' that Priscilla knew how to cheat before she met Elvis? I think Priscilla was a normal teenage girl who was given a chance that most of us would have jumped at...she was in the right place at the right time. She was being actively pursued by Elvis, and personally I think the whole thing blew up in his face. The fact that things had to be kept as secret as they were, probably because of a) her age and b) tom parker didn't want his boy making the same mistake as Jerry Lee Lewis had. Priscilla has made it perfectly clear that she did everything she could to persuade her family to let her go to Graceland......have you not been 16? and used some sort of emotional blackmail on your parents....'If you don't let me do this I'll just die'.......
I don't think Elvis wanted to marry Priscilla......I don't think Elvis should have married anyone, but he wanted a child, so marriage was the only choice.
Any marriage Elvis had was doomed.....he couldn't stay faithful, it was not in his nature to be faithful.......and I defy any woman to stay with a man that was as unfaithful as Elvis was......Yes, Priscilla should have left him before she herself was unfaithful....if you don't like your marriage, you get out of it first, then you go looking...and yes, I agree, she has no right to call herself Elvis' widow.....
Priscilla could have sold Graceland when the money ran out of the estate, but she chose not to do that....and I will be forever grateful. She was smart enough to hire people to run the Estate, and they are smart enough to keep Lisa and Priscilla as much at the forefront of the business as they can.

[Diane]

Carolyn, I agree that any normal teenager would have wanted to meet Elvis but a 14 year old should not have been allowed to go visit a big star in his home in the evening unchaperoned. The blame falls mainly on her parents for allowing it no matter how much she kicked and screamed.

No one is going to contradict the fact that we're all happy that Graceland was saved and opened to the public but had Vernon named somebody else to safeguard it for Lisa, odds are the same thing probably would have happened.

The main reason we are so down on her is that we are "Elvis" fans and don't like how she wrote about very personal things in their marriage (after he died) and then she changes what she said and goes back and forth and never does she admit to her own faults. If she hadn't written that book and agreed to some many interviews no one would have thought anything about her one way or the other. She brought it upon herself. No one would have gone digging to see if what she was saying was the truth and she would have kept the respect everyone had for her before she showed herself to be other than what everyone had believed. I don't like to think badly of anyone either unless I feel they've harmed someone with malicious intent and I do feel she did that.....then, I have no mercy!

We are Elvis fans and try to protect him because he's not here to do it himself and he probably wouldn't if he was. He took all the blame on himself and you know darn well it takes two to make or break a marriage or a relationship.

To each his or her own opinion..........

[carolynlm]

I have read Priscilla's book only once....I think I still have it in the cupboard somewhere, so I might get around to reading it again....there are just more appealing things to read out there....and I will admit that I haven't read 'Child Bride'....I don't think I really want to, so I can't possibly have an opinion on that one.
One thing I do know is that Priscilla wrote 'Elvis and Me' to try and counteract the revolting 'piece' that the scum of the earth goldman wrote. She could have left out certain things in her book....the 'rape' and so forth, but goldman had done so much damage to Elvis' reputation that she probably felt she had to do something.
Diane, I can see exactly what you are saying about Priscilla's parents...they should never have allowed her to go in the first place, but I think after that initial visit, they too were under Elvis' spell......I'm not saying that was a good thing....but every person you talk to who was close to Elvis say the same thing....you just couldn't say "no" to him......
We can all have opinions on what happened and what didn't happen, and unfortunately that's all they are...opinions......We are constantly striving to bring the enormous talent Elvis had to the forefront, and put the negative aspects of his career...which were few and far between....to the background.

[Diane]

Let's face it Carolyn the entertainment business whether it be the film or the music industry is hard on anyone's emotions and their marriages. Elvis had a double dose. He couldn't get away from conflicts with the MM and the colonel even in his personal life. That and not being able to live a normal life and grow naturally was more than enough to bring out the worse in anyone. All in all I'm sure others in his situation would have been much more difficult (Johnny Cash for example - his temper was ferocious). Elvis at least found time in all that strife to do kind things for a lot of people and all have said he was too big hearted and sensitive.

As for Priscilla her parents saw an opportunity and in effect sold their daughter to a big rock star. She apparently felt this was the way to be as she has gone after everything in the same way ever since and has never fully grown up either. Her book was utterly tasteless and in it she showed her lack of moral fiber. The Beaulieus are people users and will do anything it takes to get what they want regardless of the pain they cause anyone else and that is something I cannot personally accept in anyone. It may be accepted more today as someone showing "initiative" but to me it's just common cold-hearted low-life thinking.

In comparison, I'd take someone with Elvis' temper tantrums and lack of self control any day. At least he had a heart.

[Dovey]

I agree with you 100% Diane and am done with this thread!!!


This site is an Elvis site and why people love to bring up all the ugly things that his "X" says is beyond me.:doh: :doh: :hmm: :hmm:

Dovey ;)

[Diane]

Can't blame you a bit Dovey -I can't take it anymore either.............:'(

[GirlHappy19]

It's been pretty obvious to most of us that Priscilla knew how to cheat long before she met Elvis and I'm certain that it wasn't Priscilla who decided to open Graceland to the public but people around her that advised her to do so because the property was in financial trouble and get in touch with those who could help her do that. The woman is just not that bright on her own - really watch and listen to her! Priscilla and Lisa are literally figureheads and aren't the ones doing the real work.


I agree 100%(y)

[GirlHappy19]

Every time I log in to this site nowadays, there are more and more 'I hate Priscilla' threads than ever.....
Priscilla cheated on Elvis....we all know that...it's fact. And before anyone once again tells me that I am on the wrong site, and I should go to the PP site....let me say this.....I am not a fan of Priscilla's or Lisa's for that matter...BUT if it wasn't for both of them, we wouldn't have Graceland to visit....and if Priscilla cheated...she had a bloody good teacher.

Meaning who?:hmm:

[joanne]

Every time I log in to this site nowadays, there are more and more 'I hate Priscilla' threads than ever.....
Priscilla cheated on Elvis....we all know that...it's fact. And before anyone once again tells me that I am on the wrong site, and I should go to the PP site....let me say this.....I am not a fan of Priscilla's or Lisa's for that matter...BUT if it wasn't for both of them, we wouldn't have Graceland to visit....and if Priscilla cheated...she had a bloody good teacher.Most importantly if it wasn`t for Elvis you wouldn`t have Graceland to visit.
It was his house and even if someone else had bought it the fans would still visit memphis and stand outside the house.
Priscilla keeps referring to it as her home but at the end of the day she only lived there about nine years.
Linda Thompson lived there also but she doesn`t keep referring to it as her home.

[MISSCLAWDY]

i agree with you 100% !

[jak]

I must have deja vu.Another anti Priscilla thread!!I confess I have not read child brde.I did however just finished reading "Elvis What Happened?" again.In it Red West states Priscilla was the only other woman besides his mother that he loved so much.He says Elvis loved her more than anything right up until the end.Why would he say that?I think I tend to believe him since he knew Elvis since high school and was probably his best friend.Caroyln you make good point but your wasting youre breath here I think.Since we dont slam her i guess we are not true Elvis fans I guess.
Jak

[graceland123]

red was` nt with elvis till the end and i dont believe a word from that b****** anyway
i wouldnt waste my time on that book never mind read it over and over

[Dovey]

Why don't you give it a rest Jak.... have a great life.. :D

[jak]

When Red left it was the end.Just because you dont like what a book says doesnt mean it's not true.I think its some of you people here who need to give it a rest when it comes to your jealousy of Priscilla.She's the one he picked and had his only child and you people just cant handle it.Like it or not she is part of the Elvis myth you people fantasize about.You guys sit back and look at your photos of Elvis and wonder what he was like where as she was the only woman who captured his true affection and it's hard for you to accept that.If you dont like her why even bring it up on the board anyways?Its nothing to obsess over.Its all ancient history.
Jak

[carolynlm]

People will believe only what they want to believe.....There are so many...too many in fact...books out there regarding Elvis' life...some books are OK, some are horrific......but that is only my OPINION....and I'm entitled to it......I try to take on board as much information as I can before I make a decision on what I think is right or wrong. There is no-one alive who can say what Elvis was thinking at one time or another....not one person, whether it be his ex wife, members of the MM or his ex girlfriends...the only person who I believe Elvis truely confided in was his mother. We can all speculate on what Elvis' life was like behind closed doors.....was it a perfect life....? I certainly don't know....was it a life I would have liked to have lived...I don't know.
The thing I can't understand is, and this is only my thoughts, I don't expect anyone else to agree or disagree....I can't fathom how someone can 'hate' someone they don't know.
I really don't want to get into this subject anymore...but I will say, I respect everyones opinion, as I expect people to respect mine....thankyou.

[jak]

Caroyln
Your comments are right on the money and show a good sommon sense attitude.
Jak

[Dovey]

Jak you are turly a "Hoot" :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

:cool: ... what a laugh... yea I am sure every worman wanted to have Elvis's baby "Not" Dovey :D

[Donut]

I think eveyone here respects everyone?s opinion ... but if you see a Priscilla?s thread you can?t expect the posts will be about the problem with the ozone layer or the war in Afganistan...
Some don?t see anything wrong with what she tells and some like me see her comments really disrespectful.
And no... i?m not jelous LOLOL, are you kidding ?????

[4THEHEART]

sorry Jak but what you find in that book, or piece of s.... that you read again and again..while you have a sense of not to believe any other book..well,since you keep that West book as a guide I can now understand the way you blame everythig on Elvis..

[jak]

Do you know why you can believe what's in Red's book?Because Elvis was alive when it was released.If it was lies they knew they would have been sued for slander.They wrote it because it was the truth and Elvis would not have sued them for that reason.Are some of you that ignorant of the facts?Elvis had John Grady offer them cash not to go ahead with it but they turned it down.Elvis didnt want that stuff public.Why dont you think his estate never sued them?You cant sue someone if their statements are accurate.I dont see any reason for Red to lie about what he said concerning Elvis and Priscilla.Im sorry folks but Elvis life was not the fairytale you think it was.Everything in that book has been confirmed time and time again.That stuff wasnt a secret to those around him,just to the fans.Elvis personal life unraveled in the later years.Priscilla did the best thing possible by getting their daughter out of that environment.Elvis would never have harmed Lisa intentionally but he became a danger to himself and others as time went on.
Jak

[Dave TCB]

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Oh dear (n)

[4THEHEART]

if it was any other celebrity, not Elvis,then those two wests and the other fool have been kicked on their worthless asses too badly for their lies it's true.. but they knew he wasn't that type of a man, they were spoiled fools by him(laugh as much as you can now..and let me feel I made a favor to a brother today..:P )and they also knew he didn't have a caring or a proper manager so it was easy with Elvis..now they knew all about their marriage ha?? :lmfao: those blind *****s..they even didn't care to know Elvis, through all those years they were with him.. shallow people..:angry: and it wasn't his ex-wife who tried to protect their daughter..how can a mother protect her daughter by writing a crap, called book and publishing it..if you have anything to tell your kid,you tell it to your kid..(and what a way to talk about a father..)she didn't have to share it with the whole world.. it was Elvis by keeping his silence about his angelic-ex wife's little stories and all,but you better believe her and those other *****s, it's your choice.as for fairytales,you can't find a better fairytale teller than that special lady..go on listening her..

[jak]

Sorry but you dont even know the other guys name but you know everything else?It was Hebler.You know more about his marriage than the guys who were there?Like I said the book was released when Elvis was alive to defend himself.He didnt lash out against it because it was truthfull so what could he say.Im not saying I agree with writing it but it was their story and Elvis fired the first shot with dumping them.If it were lies Elvis would have lashed out at them.Please dont tell me I am wrong on that?Its the fan's blind adoration that was a main reason for Elvis decline.No matter how bad it got or how terrible the concerts became the fans just kept on cheering.He could do no wrong.Makes sense the same goes for his personal life.If Elvis would have walked out to half full arena's near the end maybe he would have got a wake up call and realized some fans wouldnt accept mediocrity.He was loved to death that's for sure.
Jak

[4THEHEART]

ABOUT THAT OTHER GUY, WHO NOW TEACHING WOMEN SELF DEFENCE,WHO IS A DAVE,IT WAS INTENTIONAL TO CALL HIM THE OTHER GUY..BUT YOU WERE SURE AGAIN TO DECIDE IF I KNEW HIS NAME OR NOT..IT WAS NOT IMPORTANT THAT'S ALL..AND I'M NOT THE ONE WHO WRITE BOOKS OR TELL STORIES ABOUT THEIR MARRIAGE ..AND HOW MANY TIME ELVIS LASHED OR SUIT PEOPLE FOR THEIR LIES OR SLANDERINGS..AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE LASHED THOSE MISERABLE MEN OF COURSE..WELL FINALLY SHOW ME ANOTHER HUMAN BEING WHO CAN PERFORM AS HE COULD, LIVE WHEN THEY WERE THAT ILL..OH! SORRY I FORGOT HE WAS THE HEALTHIEST MEN OF COURSE..HE WAS ENTERTAINING WHILE DYING,AND YOU ARE TALKIN ABOUT HOW BETTER IT WAS,THE AUDIENCE TO WALK OFF THE CONCERT HALL ..:blink: :cursing:

[Diane]

Shoot, I can't believe this thread is still going. It appears that a VERY few have a huge crush on Priscilla and the rest of us on Elvis :D To each his own.......

[Dovey]

Shoot, I can't believe this thread is still going. It appears that a VERY few have a huge crush on Priscilla and the rest of us on Elvis :D To each his own.......


I agree with you Diane... sure does look like someone has a crush on silly cilla ....:lol: :lol: but this is a not her (cilla's) site so I wonder why he/she continues to come here to try to stir up trouble.

Truly makes me laugh....:lol: When you think about it... Elvis had to deal with people like this his entire short life.

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4TheHeart... you might as well laugh too because it is like talking to a stone wall.. and in the end it does not matter at all ...if someone basis all there thoughts on that one book... they really need to read many other books... if Elvis is such a rotten person why bother the fans who love him with BS we have already read.:doh: :doh: :doh:

Have a great day!!! (and keep smiling!) Dovey ;)

[carolynlm]

I knew someone would tell me that I was on the wrong site.....I am first and foremost an Elvis fan......you can believe it or not....I don't care. It's just that I am not a narrow minded Elvis fan.....this is an Elvis forum, and we used to be able to discuss in a amiable manner all things pertaining to Elvis' life, but it seems as though a few have taken over the forum for their own use. Sad.....it was a great place to visit, and I think I still have one or two friends here.

[meg]

I knew someone would tell me that I was on the wrong site.....I am first and foremost an Elvis fan......you can believe it or not....I don't care. It's just that I am not a narrow minded Elvis fan.....this is an Elvis forum, and we used to be able to discuss in a amiable manner all things pertaining to Elvis' life, but it seems as though a few have taken over the forum for their own use. Sad.....it was a great place to visit, and I think I still have one or two friends here.


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[jak]

Perfectly stated Carolyn.I too am an Elvis fan.Just because I recognize Elvis' flaws doesnt make me less of a fan.To me nobody comes close to Elvis or ever will but he had flaws just like the rest of us.He was a human being with an amazing gift but he wasnt perfect.I think the truth about Elvis the man has been swallowed up by the legend and so many fans think he walked on water.
Jak

[Donut]

Yes ... We think Elvis walked on the water but you think that Priscilla got pregnant by the holy spirit.

[Diane]

Carolyn - Jak, when I jump in to defend Elvis it's just because I believe that what was said by some of the MM and Priscilla about his drug taking and his temper is exaggerated. You must remember that the MM were also on drugs and that one will say something about what they remember him doing and another will say "no it wasn't like that at all". Sometimes memory is faulty and you see things the way you want them to be. You know what I'm talking about, we've all seen and done that.

As far as Priscilla goes, no I don't see her in a good light and I've stated why I feel like that and sometimes it seems to me that you are making HER seem like she's walking on water too.

I don't want to fight with you and I don't dislike you for your beliefs. With my personal friends I don't expect that we all agree with things all the time and I feel the same here. Let's just agree to disagree on this subject and leave it there.

[Donut]

Carolyn - Jak, when I jump in to defend Elvis it's just because I believe that what was said by some of the MM and Priscilla about his drug taking and his temper is exaggerated. You must remember that the MM were also on drugs and that one will say something about what they remember him doing and another will say "no it wasn't like that at all". Sometimes memory is faulty and you see things the way you want them to be. You know what I'm talking about, we've all seen and done that.

As far as Priscilla goes, no I don't see her in a good light and I've stated why I feel like that and sometimes it seems to me that you are making HER seem like she's walking on water too.

I don't want to fight with you and I don't dislike you for your beliefs. With my personal friends I don't expect that we all agree with things all the time and I feel the same here. Let's just agree to disagree on this subject and leave it there.


You are right Diane, that?s what a forum is for, to share different point of views.

[jak]

Diane,I appreciate your comments.Youre right about memories faltering over the years and that does account for some variations in the stories we have heard over the years.Im sure you love Elvis very much but downplaying Elvis' drug use is an example of what I mean by fans always covering for Elvis.The proof of how bad Elvis drug use was is that it finally killed him.He had so many drugs in his system at the time of his death including painkillers used for cancer patients.How many people carry a physcians PDR around?I know its not pleasnt to talk about and we want to remember the good things about him rather than dwell on those things but the drugs were the root of all his problems.I not trying to tear Elvis down but it makes me angry he was so foolish and ended up throwing his life away and we shouldnt gloss over that fact.
Jak

[4THEHEART]

For God's sake Jak..why couldn't you think any other reason for the drugs he took,than his "foolishness"..he wasn't a fool Jak.. he was much more mature than that fun loving boy you see on the surface ..you sure take his personality very very light..he wasn't a shallow one as those so called friends of him were..well nothing more to say,I'm no one to change anyone's personal views and this is not my goal,yet I'm sure , Elvis would have been answered if he was here face to face with you, how things are not the way you like to believe or they seem.. I feel that way,maybe because I'm a fool like him.. so I said what I said.. nothing more from me..

[jak]

I never said foolishness was the reason for the drugs.I said it was foolish he threw his life away without ever making a serious attempt to turn things around.He was foolish in that respect Im sorry to say.He couldnt admit he needed help.I will give you an example.Linda Thompson stated she saved Elvis from drowning in a bowl of cereal because he passed out in it.How much lower can you go?Elvis was foolish not to take that as a sign he needed to gain control.Let me guess,Linda is lying.That's only one example of the times Elvis nearly died through the 70's.He had so many close encounters that should have gave him a wake up call.
Jak

[elvislady]

I never said foolishness was the reason for the drugs.I said it was foolish he threw his life away without ever making a serious attempt to turn things around.He was foolish in that respect Im sorry to say.He couldnt admit he needed help.I will give you an example.Linda Thompson stated she saved Elvis from drowning in a bowl of cereal because he passed out in it.How much lower can you go?Elvis was foolish not to take that as a sign he needed to gain control.Let me guess,Linda is lying.That's only one example of the times Elvis nearly died through the 70's.He had so many close encounters that should have gave him a wake up call.
Jak

this is not just his fans saying this its the people who loved him saying it to.
elvislady

[Dovey]

I never said foolishness was the reason for the drugs.I said it was foolish he threw his life away without ever making a serious attempt to turn things around.He was foolish in that respect Im sorry to say.He couldnt admit he needed help.I will give you an example.Linda Thompson stated she saved Elvis from drowning in a bowl of cereal because he passed out in it.How much lower can you go?Elvis was foolish not to take that as a sign he needed to gain control.Let me guess,Linda is lying.That's only one example of the times Elvis nearly died through the 70's.He had so many close encounters that should have gave him a wake up call.
Jak
Perhaps you do not relize Jak that things were much different 30-40 years ago than they are now... People were afraid to seek help for problems they were having in fear of people making fun of them.

Until you walk a mile in the man's shoes... you should not judge him.

Were you born a twin with the other one born dead?
Did your dad go to jail for a stupid mistake?
Did you your mother die at a early age & time in your life?
Did your father start dating 2 weeks after your mother died?
Did you get drafted into the Army when you were just getting a great career going?
Did you have women screeming and chasing you no matter where you went?
Did you get railroaded into a loveless marriage?
Did you go through a divorce and lose you daughter you loved?
Did you have people using you for $$$?
Did you ever wonder if people loved you for yourself or your money?
I could go on and on.... but my point is ... Elvis gave us so much
and yes he did need some help but back 40 years ago people did
not recognize that... nor did we have the rehabs and help that is available today.


When you can "Walk a Mile in His Shoes" only then can you judge him. Dovey ;)

[joanne]

I never said foolishness was the reason for the drugs.I said it was foolish he threw his life away without ever making a serious attempt to turn things around.He was foolish in that respect Im sorry to say.He couldnt admit he needed help.I will give you an example.Linda Thompson stated she saved Elvis from drowning in a bowl of cereal because he passed out in it.How much lower can you go?Elvis was foolish not to take that as a sign he needed to gain control.Let me guess,Linda is lying.That's only one example of the times Elvis nearly died through the 70's.He had so many close encounters that should have gave him a wake up call.
JakElvis was not foolish, he just had too many pressures put upon him by people and circumstances mostly his manager etc.
Larry Geller said "Elvis woke up to reality about some of the people with him, Colonel Parker, he was gonna fire Colonel Parker, get rid of 70% of the people that lived with him, stop touring, he wanted to rejuvenate his life, he wanted to eat properly, get off the pills, he knew it, he knew he was entering turbulent waters cause it`s not easy but two things were happening simutanesly in Elvis`s life, Life the future, death, pulling him, forces pulling him, people and situations that were disgusting seen and unseen.
Here`s the tragedy and the tragedy is and this is a lesson for you and for me and everyone if we are supposed to do something we`ve got to do it now and we do not procastinate.
If he only would have stopped right then and there.
We were in Louisville, Kentucky and Elvis had a rough night he felt feverish it was about 5am in the morning and he said Larry I don`t feel good. I said get a good night`s sleep and you might feel better tomorrow and his throat hurt so the next afternoon like I always did when he woke up I was there.
DR. Nick was in the bedroom with him and I`m sitting there watching television and there was a pounding on the door I thought wait a minute we have security out there we own that floor you can`t even get off the elevator so I ran to the door and I looked through the peephole and it was Colonel Parker who never came to visit Elvis.
I opened the door and said Colonel Hi, and he replied (in a nasty tone) WHERE IS HE.
I said let me tell him you`re here. He said no I`m going right in.
He opened the door and this is what I saw, Dr. Nick was kneeling next to Elvis`s bed and Elvis`s head was being dunked into a bucket of ice water and he was moaning and the door closed.
You know what my first thought was, good now the old son of a ***** is gonna see reality because he never sees what`s going on, no more excuses the tour stops, Elvis will go to hospital and something good will come out of this.
I would say 90 seconds later the door opens Colonel Parker walks out, walks up to me, I stand up and we`re toe to toe now NOW YOU LISTEN TO ME THE ONLY THING THAT`S IMPORTANT IS THAT MAN`S ON THE STAGE TONIGHT NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
He walked out and I understood everything at that point."

I included that because it gives an example of what Elvis was having to deal with in his life.
It proves that you are wrong in saying that Elvis couldn`t admit he needed help he just had difficulty following throught with it.
If people would have cared enough about him instead of seeing him as a money machine then he may of been able to get help.
He was having to carry on touring and that meant continuing the pills as he needed them to keep going.
Nobody has any idea how much that man had been hurt by people and how hard his life had become and if you ever get as big as Elvis (which I doubt) then you may understand but until then have some respect for the man.

[Redroo]

I may as well put mine in as well...i think she had it all planed from the start when they met at that part in Germany, get him and hold onto the bucks man, no matter what it took, and worry about the what happens later...for christ sake E could have had any woman he wanted, it just happen to be her, so we are stuck with that iam affraid, anyway i blame her for his death and nothing, she or anyone says will ever change my mind. I'd love to know what Red and the other guys thought when they were hudled over the hi-fi. she killed him and that is that:

[Dovey]

Thanks for the Larry Geller article Joanne..

To me he was truly a good friend to Elvis and the other guys hated him for it..... yes for sure Parker only cared about the $$$$ as did Dr. Nick. It sure is sad to think that $$$ is so important to people but we have proof that it still goes on even though Elvis is gone... his name makes money for the people who used him..(n) (n) (n)


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Yes Redroo you are right... She and her mother did plan the whole thing (her mother back in the beginning)

Yesterday I listened to the Red West :doh: tape again and Elvis plainly says that he was railroaded into that marriage... Red tries to , and does, change the subject but Elvis defiantly knew what cilla was and did not want her to have any part of Graceland...

She hurt him time and time again but it was mostly over his daughter, Lisa Marie, because she knew he loved her so much.

Her day will come!!!!!!---- Her lies will all catch up with her.
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I think the people who come on here to run Elvis down are not fans at all..... as a fan, we all know Elvis's faults as well as his achievements...... and the achiievments far out weigh anything else he did in his life.... I celebrate his life and thank got for him. Dovey

[jak]

The last few posts are classics.Very entertaining.Im sure you guys have a lovely collection of Elvis salt and pepper shakers and nice figurines and maybe some stuffed teddy bears wearing jumpsuits:D You say dont judge him until you walk a mile in his shoes.But its okay to judge Priscilla?Is that not hypocritical?Priscilla killed Elvis?Are you 12?Why cant people be repsonsible for their own actions?Its always somebody else's fault.People get divorced everyday.He wasnt the only one.Due to a kind gesture of a board member I got Child Bride and have read a good deal of it.The great book you look to for facts goes on and on how Elvis lied and cheated on her from the very first.I did read something I didnt know.He was having sex with a 15 year old in germany and fondling Priscilla at the time according to your book.The book states Elvis was a pedophile.Elvis should have been sent to prison if you believe that book.I dont doubt he was doing it but under law he should have been jailed.The book also states Elvis claimed he was going to die at 42 just like his mom.His mom died at 46 people.You think Elvis forgot?Elvis wouldnt admit he needed help because of his ego.Im sorry but you guys are in fantasy land.Telling me that I dont respect Elvis is a joke.Its you that dont because you make him out to be god.If he was here he wouldnt want that.Some of you need to just keep downloading wallpapers.Elvis sure looks dreamy in those.
Jak

[joanne]

what a bore you are.

[jak]

The truth hurts.No need to shoot the messenger.

[Dovey]

jak .... Wake up.... You are no messenger!!!!! :D

[joanne]

The truth hurts.No need to shoot the messenger.It doesn`t hurt me matey because I don`t give a toss as you won`t change my feelings for Elvis. In fact it just proves how nasty and evil the Priscilla fans are. They certainly take after her that`s for sure.
All you`ve got to do now is marry someone famous then leave them and live the rest of your life living off their surname and you`ll be just like her.

[graceland123]

theres some thick people on here so full of shit
she used that name and will al ways use it even though it isnt hers
shes no talent for sure
now even the boyfriend has had enough of her and ****************ed off
i cant blame him
elvis didnt want to marry her in the first place but was forced to
it was biggest mistake he ever made

[jak]

If the marriage was the biggest mistake of his life maybe its the price he deserved to pay for getting involved with a 14 year old girl which is illegal in most places.You guys still think a 14 year old is to blame.Most adult men would have backed off fearing jail time or just out of self control.Why does Elvis escape blame for having affairs with minors back in Germany?I love Elvis but why is he always blameless in so many fan's eyes.
Jak

[elvislady]

[QUOTE=graceland123;78741]theres some thick people on here so full of shit
she used that name and will al ways use it even though it isnt hers
shes no talent for sure
now even the boyfriend has had enough of her and ****************ed off
i cant blame him
elvis didnt want to marry her in the first place but was forced to
it was biggest mistake he ever made[/QU
elvis had his own mind and i am sure he would not marry someone just because they told him to. if thats the case he would have listend to people who tried to help in the last years of his life when he was destroying himself with percription drugs. he was his own person and he loved priscilla i have no doubt about that.
elvislady

[elvislady]

[QUOTE=graceland123;78741]theres some thick people on here so full of shit
she used that name and will al ways use it even though it isnt hers
shes no talent for sure
now even the boyfriend has had enough of her and ****************ed off
i cant blame him
elvis didnt want to marry her in the first place but was forced to
it was biggest mistake he ever made[/QU


elvis had his own mind and i am sure he would not marry someone just because they told him to. if thats the case he would have listend to people who tried to help in the last years of his life when he was destroying himself with percription drugs. he was his own person and he loved priscilla i have no doubt about that.
elvislady

[graceland123]

[QUOTE=graceland123;78741]theres some thick people on here so full of shit
she used that name and will al ways use it even though it isnt hers
shes no talent for sure
now even the boyfriend has had enough of her and ****************ed off
i cant blame him
elvis didnt want to marry her in the first place but was forced to
it was biggest mistake he ever made[/QU


elvis had his own mind and i am sure he would not marry someone just because they told him to. if thats the case he would have listend to people who tried to help in the last years of his life when he was destroying himself with percription drugs. he was his own person and he loved priscilla i have no doubt about that.
elvisladyare you kidding ?
he did a lot of things he didn t want to ,the movies for one he hated them
he hated the songs in them
he wanted to do shows out of the states but was nt allowed to
he did everything colonel told him to that includes marrying priscilla
marty lacker says elvis tol d him they were pressurising him into marriage
the beaulieus were behind it her stepfather put the moves on the colonel and he made it happen he set the whole thing up
elvis admits with his own words on a tape recording he was railroaded into it
the truth hurts doesnt it

[jak]

No she's not kidding.To think Elvis would marry someone just because the colonel told him too is ridiculous.Im guessing the colonel would have said "Elvis dont get involved with such a young girl it might not look proper".Nobody pushed around Elvis in his personal life.Elvis may have hated some of his flicks but he agreed to do them.The colonel was an employee.Elvis was the boss.Elvis if he had enough desire could have changed things without having to say "please" to the colonel.Again no blame is put on Elvis for the poor movies.Stella Stevens asked Elvis why he didnt make better films and he replied"Why mess with sucsess".He was making lots of money.Wasnt allowed to do shows out of the states?You have lots to learn my friend.Elvis didnt have the desire needed to go overseas.His drug usage more than anything was probably the main reason.The fear of getting his drugs out of the country ws a problem or not getting more when he left the states.Elvis wasnt a slave.Some people talk about him like he was a child held prisoner by the people around him.Elvis was a very powerfull and influential person.The only thing that clould stop him from doing anything was his own lack of will and motivation.
Jak

[MISSCLAWDY]

[quote=jak;78792] Nobody pushed around Elvis in his personal life.[quote]
Well, I think that when the Colonel , in 1968, ordered to all the guys not to talk of their private matters to Elvis and not to give him "those" books to read, and to first refer to Joe Esposito who will eventually report everything to him(the Col) , is kinda pushing around him,don't you?

[Redroo]

Thanks for the Larry Geller article Joanne..

To me he was truly a good friend to Elvis and the other guys hated him for it..... yes for sure Parker only cared about the $$$$ as did Dr. Nick. It sure is sad to think that $$$ is so important to people but we have proof that it still goes on even though Elvis is gone... his name makes money for the people who used him..(n) (n) (n)


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Yes Redroo you are right... She and her mother did plan the whole thing (her mother back in the beginning)

Yesterday I listened to the Red West :doh: tape again and Elvis plainly says that he was railroaded into that marriage... Red tries to , and does, change the subject but Elvis defiantly knew what cilla was and did not want her to have any part of Graceland...

She hurt him time and time again but it was mostly over his daughter, Lisa Marie, because she knew he loved her so much.

Her day will come!!!!!!---- Her lies will all catch up with her.
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I think the people who come on here to run Elvis down are not fans at all..... as a fan, we all know Elvis's faults as well as his achievements...... and the achiievments far out weigh anything else he did in his life.... I celebrate his life and thank got for him. Dovey
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Is that the LA tape where Red is in some hotel when E puts in a call to him, if so yeh, he does say that he was roped into the marrage by Parker, you see it always comes back to the fat cigar muncher, and Pis

[Redroo]

What you think that people who come to this site rubbish E and put him down...give me a break, i have been to most sites on the net concerning Elvis and i can tell you that this is the best site on the net there is, we would not be here talking about E if we did not think that he was pooly treated by the scum bags that took him for what he could do for them, maybe just maybe if things were different we would still have E here with us and who knows he may even be talking to us all here at this site on the net...from what you have said sounds like you do not log in very much jack...
Redroo Adelaide South Australia...wheres your bloody name MATE...

[Redroo]

if that was you who said we put E down, well iam sorry for what i said, i thought at the bottom of the page some fruit loop might have put a tag in without saying who they were...We don't put E down do we!!!

[Sammy4Elvis]

Why have conversations where we are direspecting each other, Elvis and the people he loved, its not a good thing, can't believe some of the stuff on here! Whats done is done and we can't change that and whatever Priscilla says or does is also out of our hands so why bother arguing over it, Elvis is why were all come together and chat, not anyone else.

[Dovey]

if that was you who said we put E down, well iam sorry for what i said, i thought at the bottom of the page some fruit loop might have put a tag in without saying who they were...We don't put E down do we!!!


No Redoo, I do not put Elvis down and never will. I think Jak is a Snake and also think that he has been on this board before using a different name.

Truely he makes me laugh... he can not even pretent to be a Elvis fan because the truth is he is not a Elvis fan. (silly cilly maybe?)

Don't know if you ever read or listened to the tape Red West made to Elvis just before their book came out..... but on the recording Elvis plainly says that he was "railroaded into that marriage" and the divorce was very hard on him. Red was trying to change the subject because he wanted Elvis to incriminate himself as much as he could get him to do... to back their book up. (it is a 32 minute tape) God with friends like that Elvis did not need enemies.

I do not know why people come to this site to run Elvis down because it does not work and they only make fools of themselves.
Elvis fans already know about Elvis.... we can read also!!:doh:

But if it makes him happy to do it... I will respect his little game and sit here and laugh at him :hmm: :hmm: What the heck... he thinks we are all jealous and wanted to have Elvis's baby... how funny is that. :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: .

This truly is the best Elvis site on the net and I truly love it... there are some pretty "Awesome" people here. Most do not give a hoot about cilla... I don't either but get a kick out of some people.

Although I did find out that cilla does tell people in other countries that she is Elvis's widow and how mean he was to her... so I guess, if a person does not know any better... I can understand why they might believe some of Jak's B.S. (as sick as that is... I have been told by several people that she does tell all kinds of sick stories... ) :hmm: :hmm:

Hey, have a great day and keep smiling. Dovey ;)

[Diane]

I agree with you Dovey all the way. This is an ELVIS site and to my mind the best there is for sure and there certainly is a lot of wonderful people here. For my part I will not take the bait anymore and will ignore anyone who posts anything that puts him down. They are only here to have fun at our expense and they are not worth our time......(n)

[jak]

if it will put your mind to rest I am not a she but a he and this is the only name I have ever used on any board.Dovey you should know that because I believe I sent you the cd you needed along with a free dvd and you sent me an address book in return without me asking for it.I sent you the items for free because I do like to help other fans out.Why am I not a fan because I acknowledge the bad things in Elvis' life.Tell me one lie I have posted here about Elvis.Anyone?This is a nice board but is frequented by narrow minded people who choose to worship Elvis and deify him rather than just admit he was a tragically flawed human with amazing talent.
As far as Priscilla or Lisa or any others in Elvis' life I couldnt care less and am a fan of none of them.I only post an opposing viewpoint because the utter ignorance of these posts boggle the mind.An attack on me personally just shows that my statements cant be argued in an intelligent manner and insults are the last result and its typical.
Jak

[Dovey]

if it will put your mind to rest I am not a she but a he and this is the only name I have ever used on any board.Dovey you should know that because I believe I sent you the cd you needed along with a free dvd and you sent me an address book in return without me asking for it.I sent you the items for free because I do like to help other fans out.Why am I not a fan because I acknowledge the bad things in Elvis' life.Tell me one lie I have posted here about Elvis.Anyone?This is a nice board but is frequented by narrow minded people who choose to worship Elvis and deify him rather than just admit he was a tragically flawed human with amazing talent.
As far as Priscilla or Lisa or any others in Elvis' life I couldnt care less and am a fan of none of them.I only post an opposing viewpoint because the utter ignorance of these posts boggle the mind.An attack on me personally just shows that my statements cant be argued in an intelligent manner and insults are the last result and its typical.
Jak

Well Jak, when I am wrong I am wrong!!!! You are a true Elvis Fan and I was wrong to say that you weren't ... I do apologize to you and need to get my foot out of my mouth. ( I am sorry!!)

I am not narrow mined when it comes to Elvis... I have read the books, know the stories and yes I am sure most of it is true Jak but Elvis gave us so much that I will always love him and yes, I admit admire him.

He came from nothing, 2 room shack in Tupelo, was made fun of all his life.... sure he went a little wild and lost track of what was truly happening to him but I am not so sure that any of us would not of done the same thing in his shoes. I did try to show you all the reasons for Elvis's faults but it seemed like you put a wall up.. he needed help jak but 40 years ago ... the help was not there.

Jak, I thought you were another person who comes on here from time to time and enjoys running Elvis down just to get a fight started...

You are one of the most wonderful people that I have ever meet on the internet ... I am sorry but I had no idea... (but for me I hate it when people always bring up the bad things about Elvis... all the fans know these things about him and we do not forget but we also do not forget all the good things he did either) Maybe I am wrong Jak but I like to celebrate all the good things he did in his life.

Well Jak, I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me because I do know that you are one of the kindest Elvis Fans I have ever meet ...not many people would of done what you did for me. I do feel bad. doh: :doh: Dovey

(Do you dislike me now Jak?? ... sure hope not ..I do know Elvis's faults and now my own but I will always defend Elvis... it is just me I guess.... by the way Jake the Sake is a wrestler and I like him too. )

[jak]

Dovey
I know some of the things I posted sounded harsh but I wasnt trying to provoke anyone.I just try to balance things out with my views.Ive had Elvis as a main influence my entire life but I try to keep it in perspective.Lets just finish this thread by agreeing to disagree.The reason I helped you out previously Dovey was that i could tell you were a true fan from your posts.Still friends through Elvis!
Jak

[Dovey]

Thank you Jak, You truly are a sweetheart and I am happy we are still friends.

If there was ever a Elvis fan... I know that you are one... you did not even know me.. and you showed great kindness like Elvis.

Bless you and Take care (I learned a lesson today) but best of all you are still my friend and always will be through Elvis. Dovey ;)

[4THEHEART]

Though I didn't attack anyone personally, I got my share of insultation such as being ignorant, narrow minded,worshipping,one of those jumpsuited fans with glasses who keep saying "thank you very much"..in other words, a total f..... fool I am ha??..no! I'm not that one Jak, just because I do not agree what you think about Elvis..you sound like you don't have mercy on this man ,just like the others who lived around him for years..you take all his problems as being spoiled or personal weaknesses..never give a thought ,what other reasons could be about the medication,other than him being a plain junkie,which I will never believe..in my opinion ,you miss alot of him..no you don't need to worship him, it's enough to see what Elvis the man really had in him..

[Menwithbrokenhearts]

Wow. I am hesitant to jump back into this because so many of you, on both sides of the aisle, are friends, and I believe all are fans. It takes all kinds to make the world go round and that's why I like this forum. You get to hear all sides. Some are very passionate and some, like me, mostly sit back and enjoy the banter. Mostly....
After all is said and done. The man, his music, his legacy and contrubution to culture and music is immeasurable. I believe his heart was good and he was generous to a fault. There is a lot of supportive evidence to this. He was talented beyond measure, no doubt. And... he had many weaknesses and faults. Now, who on this board is without sin... cast the first stone. I'd hate to have mine made public for microscopic scrutiny. Or my life in general for that matter. You make mistakes, you learn, you live. And hopefully, you don't end up in prison, mamed for life or dead. Some mistakes back us into a corner, and those , compiled with other events, real or imagined, trap us there. When you get so deep you can't help yourself you need intervention. When sources are limited and people are payrolled, it gets slim that it will happen.
Anyway. I agree and disagree with alot on both sides. Most of you have valid points and if they are not valid to me that's ok too. I still consider Elvis someone to look up to and to be a fan of. I respect him and love his music and think that without a doubt he is the best entertainer that ever lived or will live I will also tell my children , when they get older if they want to know. That he was a man with faults and made some wrong choices. That doesn't mean he was bad, just human. He strived to do right in alot of areas and be honorable in many ways in his life. And he was , I believe, more often than not.
Hell of alot better than almost every possible role model that exists today, especially in the entertainment field.
Johnny Cash was a good man who got his demons mostly under control.
Elvis Presley was a good man who did not.
Johnny had the right kind of people around him.
Elvis did not.
Both are legends and people to aspire to and respect.

[jak]

Maybe I phrased some of my posts the wrong way previously but I stand behind the meaning of them.I do have compassion for Elvis.He has been someone I've respected all my life.Was he a junkie.Of course he was.We cant change that.Many a lesser man has pulled themselves out of it and recovered.Unfortunately Elvis couldnt or wouldnt do it.We dont know what happened behind closed doors.Although his fame came with negatives we all know that the good certainly outweighed the bad.Everyday people like us have faced far greater hardships than Elvis ever encountered.Being Elvis Presley certainly eliminated certain hardships that you and I may have to deal with in our ordinary lives.I believe not just Elvis but everyone is responsible for their own actions.Anything else is a welfare mentality that enables people to say "its not my fault".I give Elvis credit for being the most gifted performer Ive ever known but when I look at some of the mistake's he made he had nobody to blame but himself and he shouldnt be above criticism.
Jak

[Diane]

MWBH, The world needs more people like you. A lot of us could learn from you how to speak without harsh words (me included) and to try to understand both sides of other people's personalities. Thank you for your post! You've helped me get back on track.

[Menwithbrokenhearts]

MWBH, The world needs more people like you. A lot of us could learn from you how to speak without harsh words (me included) and to try to understand both sides of other people's personalities. Thank you for your post! You've helped me get back on track. Thank you for your kind words!