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Menwithbrokenhearts
01-10-2006, 11:46 PM
I don't mean to be too negative this time of year, forgive me a bit and I hope you'll indulge me on this one. But I have been through a reading quest of sorts of Elvis books, that have been recommended on a number of threads, and ended with "The Death of Elvis" and Peter Guralnick's books. Which, probably understandably, has put me in a strange state. There has been alot of talk on this board about Elvis in the 70's but after reading all these books, and reviewing concert and interview footage, I feel like I may have somewhat of a grip on all of it.

I think about the hysteria and mass marketing of Elvis in the 50's, the compliant Elvis doing movies in the 60's, but still passionate about music ( as heard on all the studio recording outtakes), still having fun, the revived Elvis of 68-72 and the pigeon holed, fed up and used up Elvis of the mid to late 70's. And although Elvis made some decisions on his own that were detrimental to him, I believe that mostly, it was those around him. "Friends, family and collegues" that were stuck between losing a job or staying on the gravy train. Yes, he refused help and was in denial but, HELLO! , all drug addicts are! The people that could have influenced him most, were still stuck with losing there bill payer, and they all were in deep debt at the time. Some broached the subject, but quickly backed off when challenged on it. With a full fledged drug addict that can't be done. Not most times anyway. That is why people are commited against there will.

I just feel there's alot of elements, over his career, and beyond his control, that kind of led him, without his knowledge, on this self destuctive path. Pressures from his fans ( image), his manager, family, and friends, ailments from the lifestyle and drugs, even had him so concerned and worried and paranoid that sometimes he was too imbarrassed to even come downstairs in his own house! Or go on buying sprees to make up for the altered personality that had developed that was out of his control, or because he thought that's what he needed to do to keep everyone happy.

I am overwhelmed by the fact that here was this man with so much talent, charisma and life and he doesn't see it in himself, and noone will help him. I know that some tried and times were different then. But people richer, more powerful and almost as famous have been commited before. It could have been done.

Anyway, just venting. I hope you don't mind. Noone else to talk to about this that really gives a ****. Thanks

Menwithbrokenhearts
01-11-2006, 12:13 AM
Here's the link for a great interview in the "Article" forum that made me go "ummm..." what do you guys think?
http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=3938

Dovey
01-11-2006, 08:14 AM
Here's the link for a great interview in the "Article" forum that made me go "ummm..." what do you guys think?
http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=3938

Thank you for the above thread.. I have never read it before. I printed it (9 pages) and have read it several times. Much like you, I do not think we will ever understand what happened to Elvis but this article is very good and interesting.

Most of all I agree with you first posting "Reading, studying and venting" It is hard to believe that with all his charisma, talent, charm, good looks that he did not realize how great he really was. Could he of been bi-polar.? (but in another way~~it does answer some questions and to what might of happened to him) I don't know if they knew how to treat people with bipolar back then but he still would of been on drugs for it.

Perhaps he was just a victim to his cultural influences of the times in which he lived ... He always wanted to give a greater perforance each time he preformed (it would be hard to do.. as he was already perfect) His childhood was a hard one for sure and I am sure the kids at school making fun of him all the time for the way he combed his hair and because they thought he was different did hurt him down deep but he showed those kids!!!!

The book that you read on the Death of Elvis by Peter Guralnick... do you think that it is a good booK? I have not read that one.

Thanks again, Dovey :king: Long Live the King

Menwithbrokenhearts
01-11-2006, 10:04 PM
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The book that you read on the Death of Elvis by Peter Guralnick... do you think that it is a good booK? I have not read that one.

Thanks again, Dovey :king: Long Live the King[/QUOTE]

You're welcome! " The Death of Elvis" is not a Peter Guralnick book, but is by another author. I read it first and believe it answers alot of questions but goes in to a lot of physical detail and is not for the faint hearted. I do believe it provides a very compelling case on what killed Elvis. I then read the Peter Guralnick books, " Last Train to Memphis" and " Careless Love" and I do like those and feel it gives the best rounded, most objective and truest account of Elvis' life. I like that it focuses on the music so much, especially in the first book. I feel that is what Elvis is all about, the true gift he gave us.

Thank you for your comments. I just had to vent a little. Growing up in Memphis and my parents getting divorced early on, Elvis was sort of my surrogate father. At least his music was, and it got me through alot of times, including my parents divorce. ( I must have played " My Boy" a hundred times) . I was just feeling frustrated at how someone that gave so much had to end like that, not being able to give much more, too emptied out, body, heart and soul, and that not more was done. More intervention, I believe.

Yes, I think there might be something to that story in the link. After I read it it sort of made sense in the whole scheme of things and how he lived. Interesting!

Thanks

THENATUREBOY
01-12-2006, 11:35 PM
Hey I to have always wondered why Elvis could never see it in himself. But you have to think about Elvis' situation. Here is a guy that was like no one the world had ever saw before or since. There wasn't anyone Elvis could talk to and help him understand what was going on, because no one could ever comprehend what his life was like. He was a guy that was just a poor country boy that was driving a truck, then all of a sudden, he turns into the biggest star the world has ever known. I know what your saying, I have always wondered this myself, but when I think about all that, it helps me understand it all just a little better.

Dovey
01-13-2006, 08:35 AM
Menwithbrokenhearts, thanks for the article and telling about the books that you have read. I have ordered the one by James Cole and I also ordered the one Careless Love by Peter Guralnick . I know we will never know the true story of "What Happened to Elvis" maybe it was just fame and fortue, I sure histroy will be studying him for years to come but the psychologists & experts can only guess at it too. :o)
Elvis was one of a kind and way ahead of the rest of them.

I am happy that Elvis was so important to you too. ( I know it would of been a great loss to you just as it was to the rest of the world when he died so tragically) I often think, as you do, that there had to of been someone that could of helped him but....

He gave so much to so many people in the world and I think it is really great that in a way he is still giving through his music.

Thanks again for your thoughts!!! (y) Dovey

Menwithbrokenhearts
01-13-2006, 10:27 PM
Menwithbrokenhearts, thanks for the article and telling about the books that you have read. I have ordered the one by James Cole and I also ordered the one Careless Love by Peter Guralnick . I know we will never know the true story of "What Happened to Elvis" maybe it was just fame and fortue, I sure histroy will be studying him for years to come but the psychologists & experts can only guess at it too. :o)
Elvis was one of a kind and way ahead of the rest of them.

I am happy that Elvis was so important to you too. ( I know it would of been a great loss to you just as it was to the rest of the world when he died so tragically) I often think, as you do, that there had to of been someone that could of helped him but....

He gave so much to so many people in the world and I think it is really great that in a way he is still giving through his music.

Thanks again for your thoughts!!! (y) Dovey


Thanks for your comments, Dovey! There are so many genuinely caring and true Elvis fans on this forum, I think Elvis would have been proud of it. In fact, it may have helped him a bit. Who knows?

I remember the day he died, just like it was yesterday.. Every detail. Hey, that would make an interesting thread!

Take care...